RootsChat.Com

General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: madpants on Wednesday 03 October 07 17:27 BST (UK)

Title: Are any of these lads your relative?
Post by: madpants on Wednesday 03 October 07 17:27 BST (UK)
I have an album that was owned by my 'Great Aunt' from when she was a VAD in the Barrack Hospital, Ashton Under Lyne, most are dated 1915. 

There are ditties,drawings, accounts of their war so far or just a signature, depending on what the soldier wanted to write. 

I am transcribing the name, rank, number and regiment where they have written them and a ? denotes I can't read it too well.  If anyone recognises a name as theirs I will send you a transcription and photograph of the relevant page.

2582   Bds W R Joliffe               1st Manchester Regiment
7777   Pte George Sherwin      1st Royal Berkshire Regiment
4981   Rfn James Kane             1st Kings Royal Rifles
8604   Cpl Samuel Lee              1st Manchester Regiment
7403   L/Cpl W Matthews         1st Dorsetshire Regiment
8607   Pte C Depree                 1st South Staffs Regiment
3090   Pte J Christie                  1st Black Watch R H
9482   Pte E Lynott                   1st Connaught Rangers
1108   Pte J G Hill                      2nd Durham Light Infantry
           L/Cpl F West                   1st PA Somerset Light Infantry
           Pte J Onley                     1st Manchester Regiment
           Pte L Bell                        1st Northumberland Fusiliers
           Pte Sid Tavener              1st East Lancs Reg 4th Division
           L/Cpl J Whattam              RWK Regiment
8175   Pte J H Smith                   2nd Leicester Regiment
3504   L/Cpl H McCarthy             1st LNL Regiment
2780   J Roberts                         1st Manchester Regiment
9138   Pte E Sheridan                2nd Manchester Regiment
3100? Sergt H E Holt                  2nd Manchester Regiment
           Sergt H Chadwick            2nd Manchester Regiment
           Sergt Dewhurst               Manchesters
           Pte Robert Anderson       Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
           A Tickle?                          1st Manchester Regiment
2151   F Tattersall                     4th Manchester Regiment
           L/Cpl F Barnes                1st Worcestershire Regiment
2887   Pte James Bird                1st Manchester Regiment
           Pte F Rutherford              Liverpool Scottish
           A W Jones                       1st Manchester Regiment
           Pte Wilfred E Holt            RAMC
           Pte T Oliver                     3rd Manchester Regiment
           Lt Arthur Thompson        RAMC
           Lt  J Leacroft                   Worcestershire Regiment
           Pte J Pettigrew                1st Cameron Highlanders
           Pte W P Jones                 2nd West Yorkshire Regiment
2597   Pte W Swindells              3rd Manchester Regiment
9377   Pte C Chapman               1st Kings Liverpool Regiment
8797   Pte A L Payne                  3rd Manchester Regiment
          Cpl Issy Smith VC             1st Manchester Regiment (with photos & medal ribbons)         
           Capt William Macbean      Depot Manchester Regiment
13438 Pte William Connor          11th Manchester regiment
           L/Cpl William McDougall   1st Seaforth Highlanders
2161   Pte F Holt                         1st Manchester Regiment
8649   Pte J Hambleton               2nd Manchester Regiment
           Pte Donald H Cox             RAMC
           W Barton                          East Lancashire Regiment (twice)
12916 Drv W Stewart                  Ammunition Column R ? A Late Seaforth Highlanders
           Fred L Parry                      Liverpool Scottish (with photo)
27630 Pte J R Ecksley                  RAMC (with photo)
           Sergt G Edmonds             1st Manchester Regiment
           Cornellissen Jules            1st Regement Le Chasseur et Cheval Belgique
2672   Pte Joseph Briggs            2nd Manchester Regiment
           W W Ruan?                     12th Manchester Regiment
           Pte F Mc Airey                  1st Manchester Regiment
9106   Sergt J Hogan VC            2nd Manchester Regiment
8042   Harry Newman                2nd Manchester Regiment (Canadian)
8772   Rfn W James                   2nd H? RR
L/Cpl   W B Poole                      (Band) 1st Manchester Regiment (with photo)
           Pte C Hughes                 1st Manchester Regiment India Contingent (with photo)
           Pte Herbert Spencer        Manchester Regiment
           Tom Gordon                     3rd Manchester Regiment
           Charles Bossaert             Regiment de Ligne 1 Battiolon 1 Comy
           Pte F Davis                      2nd Queens Royal West Surreys
           Pte J Parydon?                The Cameronians
           Cpl J Strickland                Manchester Regiment (with address. 5 page account)
           Pte F Daw?                      2nd Queens Regiment
           J Wilkinson                       RAMC
           L/Cpl G Wm Mace             2nd Manchester Regiment
           Cpl J Johnson                  1st Manchester Regiment
           
Nursing Staff at Barracks Hospital
           Sister Kitty Chambers
           Sister Edith Ingham
           Sister Beatrice Bates (& death notice of Major H C Bates)
Title: Re: Are any of these lads your relative?
Post by: madpants on Wednesday 03 October 07 17:34 BST (UK)
Issy Smiths page complete with medal ribbons!
Title: Re: Are any of these lads your relative?
Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 03 October 07 22:47 BST (UK)

Oh Wow .... wait till Harribobs sees that !!  ;D

What a treasure Madpants !! ..... that's wonderful !

OK now I'm going to check if any of mine are there !!  ::) ::) ::) ::)

Annie  :)

EDIT .... NO !  :'(
Title: Re: Are any of these lads your relative?
Post by: madpants on Wednesday 03 October 07 23:25 BST (UK)
What a pity Annie, it must be such a thrill to find one of yours on something like this....unfortunately I never have  :(

I was asked to post this on http://www../forum/index.php so I have  ;D
Title: Re: Are any of these lads your relative?
Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 03 October 07 23:28 BST (UK)


That's Harribobs site !!  ;D

I bet he's jumping up and down !! ( well he probably won't admit it !!  ::) )

Thanks for sharing it ........ I love that stuff !

Annie  :)
Title: Re: Are any of these lads your relative?
Post by: madpants on Wednesday 03 October 07 23:38 BST (UK)
I'm just hoping someone who has got a name on the list sees it!

It's great actually reading them.  If I get chance I might transcribe a couple on this thread just for the interest.  :)
Title: Re: Are any of these lads your relative?
Post by: tony h on Thursday 04 October 07 00:18 BST (UK)
Madpants,
Lost for words, the list is amazing and that tantalising page of the album is just so fantastic. Obviously your great aunt cared deeply for her charges and you are keeping that tradition alive. Unfortunately I do not know the names of the people I am looking for except that the fatalities were recorded at Gorton Monastery but the memorial stolen or vandalised. I have no idea about the casualties who may be included in your Grt aunts album, but they well be there.

Will resume the Mallalieu hunt when location of plot comes through.

Best wishes
Tony
Title: Re: Are any of these lads your relative?
Post by: Rochdalian on Thursday 04 October 07 07:13 BST (UK)
Madpants - great list, pity that my Dad ain't on it.  Have you thought of posting it on the Great War Forum?   http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/

Tony, I thought the name Mallalieu rang a bell when I read it and it does.  Henry (Harry) Mallalieu was a pal of my Dad's in Spotland Rochdale.  They were both in the CLB at St Clements and (I think) joined up together with a few other blokes - their numbers were pretty close. Dad's was C/516 and Harry's C/515. They also were in the same CLB football team of which I have a photo.  I hope after all that that he is one of yours.

Let me know.

Bob
Title: Re: Are any of these lads your relative?
Post by: tony h on Thursday 04 October 07 10:00 BST (UK)
Hi Bob,
He's not one of mine. He's one of Madpants Mallallieus from Mossley :) Close enough to be of interest though :)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,255020.0.html

Best wishes
Tony
Title: Re: Are any of these lads your relative?
Post by: madpants on Thursday 04 October 07 11:45 BST (UK)
Thank you Tony......it's sooo exciting!!  ;D ;D

Bob, he may well be one of my Mallalieus but I haven't investigated the siblings of my GGG Grandfather yet to know if he's one of theirs  :-\

It's a fantastic album, she kept a diary when she was in France that I transcribed years ago but I can't remember what's in it  :(  nothing major, I know that  :)
Title: Re: Are any of these lads your relative?
Post by: Rochdalian on Thursday 04 October 07 23:15 BST (UK)
Hi Madpants (luv that name) & Tony

Just out of curiosity I trawled through the census, only the free searches as I don't have any subscriptions, and found the following which may or may not lead to Harry being one of yours.

1901 
Living in Spotland
James W    47   b. Ovenden Yorks
Mary E       30
Ethel           7
Florence      6
Harry      4
Bertha         3
Tom             1
Eliza            79  b. Littleborough, Lancs (James W mother)

1901
Also living in Spotland a brother to James W
Fred           42   b, Hebden Bridge, Yorks
Sarah         39
James F      10

1891 - Could not find any reference

1881
James W, Mary  E and Eliza living at 1 Rooley Moor Rd, Spotland

1871
James W living Spotland with father James, b. 1823 Soyland, Yorks, and mother Eliza.

1861
James & Eliza living in Yorks

1851
James living with father Joseph, b. 1804 Yorks, in Yorks


I can't vouch totally for all that but if it does give you a sniff to some long lost branch of the Mallalieus then good.

If you think Harry may be connected I have a couple of transcripts from the Rochdale Observer where he is mentioned.

Cheers

Bob
Title: Re: Are any of these lads your relative?
Post by: harribobs on Saturday 06 October 07 10:08 BST (UK)
Issy Smiths page complete with medal ribbons!

my word that is amazing!

thanks for posting it on the manchesters site!
Title: Re: Are any of these lads your relative?
Post by: madpants on Sunday 07 October 07 12:11 BST (UK)
Private Sheridan as he wrote it. (Place names may be wrong due to the writing  ) only the (?) are mine 

9138 Pte E Sheridan 2nd Manchester's Regt 3/1/15

Arrived at Harve went to La Cauter (?) by train via Rouen and Amiens then marched to Landrecies (?) billeted one day and night in a haystack. Next morning marched to St Waste out post duty one night then marched across the Belgium frontier to Hainin (Mons) billeted all night next morning heard enemies guns and engaged them in the afternoon (saturday) was fighting till 1.30 Monday morning then retired on to (Dour) bringing the women and children with us from the villages the enemy shelling us all the way, the sight I do not want to see again what few we got away safe was sent down country. I could not say what became of them left I suppose killed as usual, we then engaged the enemy at (Dour) fought all day then retired to (Bavay) fighting continued heavy shell which we was cut off we retired again and marched all day arrived at Omissy (?) (Cambrice (?)) at midnight received first rations for 3 days marched out and tooked position with reforcements at 4am next morning engaged the enemy at (La Caute) till late in the afternoon and retired with terrible losses 790 men and 17 officers and recieved orders for every man to look to himself and get away best way he could. Came down country came down country in ones and two arrived at St Quentin. Next morning the enemy following and shelling the villages as we left them rumoured out that St Quentin was surrounded by the enemy received orders to get away as quick as possible started for La Fere arrived next morning stopped all day entrained at midnight arrived Rouen and sent back into the lines of communication for 3 weeks which I was alright till my illness then sent to St Nazaire hospital
yours truly
E Sheridan
(mark)

(he didn't believe in using too much punctuation  )
Title: Re: Are any of these lads your relative?
Post by: tony h on Sunday 07 October 07 14:52 BST (UK)
Absolutely fabulous, so sad yet so heroic. If you want any help with transcriptions and can scan some pages I would be only too delighted to assist.

thanks
tony
Title: Re: Are any of these lads your relative?
Post by: Nouchke on Monday 15 October 07 11:59 BST (UK)
Hello Madpants,

I'm not a regular contributor to this forum, but a friend led me to this post.  I run a website all about Tameside Local and Family History and have a few other items concerning WWl on my page including the names of 300 men missing from the war memorial in Stalybridge and lists of returned prisoners of war and would be willing to add your post and the list of names to my site to bring it to the attention of other people.  These items would be such treasures for relatives.


It would also be wonderful if eventually you thought of donating this or a facsimile to Tameside Local Studies and Archives Library to add to their Manchester Regiment Archive for future generations - just to make sure it never gets thrown away.

very best wishes,
GAY

Title: Re: Are any of these lads your relative?
Post by: atom12 on Monday 15 October 07 16:58 BST (UK)
I don't have any relatives on your list but was nonetheless felt emotionally  'choked up' on seeing it and the thought that some folk will be very happy indeed  should they come across it.

Like Bob (Rochdalian), I'm sure the Great War Forum people would really appreciate seeing your tremendous information.   :D
Title: Re: Are any of these lads your relative?
Post by: maca2308 on Sunday 14 April 19 23:10 BST (UK)
Just spotted '8042 Harry Newman 2nd Manchester Regiment (Canadian)' on your post. I'm pretty sure it's my great uncle and was wondering if I could get a copy of the page? What an amazing historical document you have. I'm still trying to find out more about my great uncle but just recently discovered that he sustained shrapnel injuries during action on Hill 60 in April of 1915.
Best wishes
Maxine
Title: Re: Are any of these lads your relative?
Post by: Carol246 on Wednesday 06 January 21 05:41 GMT (UK)
I have just seen this post. My Great Uncle is on your list
Harry Newman reg number 8042 Manchester regiment ( Canada ).

Uncle Harry was recalled at start of WW1 from Canada where he had emigrated to from England. He was an Army reservist. We know he sailed to England in 1914 when War broke out and he was active on the Western front where he was injured. He had a glass eye and we think he lost a leg / legs as this was reported in a local newspaper on his return to Canada.
Would be very grateful and hopeful to hear from you re: the album however I am aware it is some years ago when this was posted.
Title: Re: Are any of these lads your relative?
Post by: brigidmac on Wednesday 06 January 21 10:58 GMT (UK)
Truly.amazing
I dont have any of these names but wondered if anyone has identified family of Izzy Smith ...many.jewish families anglisizaed their surnames or chose one related to their profession or a random name
I wonder where his ancestors came from and what their original surname was .They must have been proud
Title: Re: Are any of these lads your relative?
Post by: MaecW on Wednesday 06 January 21 11:16 GMT (UK)
According to Wikipedia :Smith was originally "Ishroulch Shmeilowitz (and other renderings), to parents residing in Egypt"."The son of French citizens Moses and Eva Shmeilowitz, who were of Russian Jewish origin"
Some time after the War he emigrated to Australia.
Title: Re: Are any of these lads your relative?
Post by: madpants on Sunday 07 February 21 15:11 GMT (UK)
Hi, just seen this and rediscovered the album, two asking for the same man so I have photographed his album page.
Title: Re: Are any of these lads your relative?
Post by: maca2308 on Sunday 11 July 21 01:09 BST (UK)
Thanks so much for uploading Harry Neumann's page. That's him, Great Uncle Harry (born Heinrich Neumann 1855 - in Buxton). The family later settled in Birkenhead. Harry later moved to Canada. Since finding your post I managed to make contact with a Canadian cousin, Harry's great granddaughter - and - she had this amazing photo of him!
Thanks for your help and sharing the album.
Much appreciated.
Maxine