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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: kerryb on Thursday 04 October 07 16:03 BST (UK)
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Hi gang
I've recently had communication with a distant cousin re my Vigor/Vigar family. We have some discrepanices that we are trying to work through and one of them is that this cousin has an extra generation in the tree.
She has a John Vigar born to John and Elizabeth in 1713 in Balcombe. I have hunted through familyhistoryonline and Hugh Wallis and LDS and cannot find him.
I cannot find a marriage for him either. He supposedly married Elizabeth Stedman but I have that his supposed father John Vigar b 1683 West Hoathly married her in 1730.
Would anyone be able to check the Balcome PRs and just see if he exists and whether there is a marriage of a John and Elizabeth before 1713.
I'm not convinced because if he is the John who married Elizabeth Stedman in 1730 he was 17 when he married and she was 14. Possible I know but hasn't happened yet in my tree!
Thank you
Kerry
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Hi Kerry,
Well, these are some marriages within the right time-frame. Interstingly the second one says John senior, implying there was a 'younger' in the parish.
This is the only other one of a John to an Elizabeth.
Archdeaconry of Lewes Marriage Licence, 26 Jan 1691/2:
John VIGAR, Nindfield
Elizabeth LONGLY, wid Hoo
Extra Information: SRS 6
Lewes All Saints, East Sussex, 26 Jan 1691/2:
John VIGAR, Ninfield
Elizabeth LONGLEY, Hooe (lic)
Ninfield, East Sussex, 28 Aug 1710:
John VIGER, senr.
Jane SCRIFENS
Ninfield, East Sussex, 11 May 1714:
John VIGER
Joan BLACKMAN, (lic)
Extra Information: at Dallington
Place: Hamsey, East Sussex, 9 Jun 1730:
John VIGOR, Balcombe
Elizabeth STEDMAN, otsp (lic)
Hamsey, East Sussex, 27 Apr 1756:
John VIGOR, Hellingly
Mary HASTING, otp (B)
You could try OPC for the Balcombe look-up http://www.sussex-opc.org/
jane
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Hi Jane
Thanks for that, I didn't think of trying the OPC - doh!
I'm pretty sure the Ninfield one is another branch of the family on the same tree, they are becoming a nightmare these Vigars, there seems to be hundreds of them.
This family that starts off in Dallington Sussex ends up some 14 generations later in my gran in Surrey. But guess what another branch of the family I can trace from Dallington to Burwash where he marries into the Eastwood family, a sibling Eastwood marries a Pilbeam and a couple of generations later my grandad was born.
Boy is my family complicated!!!!! ::)
Right I'll go and have a look at the OPC
Kerry
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Hi KerryB
My mother in laws maiden name is Eastwood and my wife has done considerable research into that surname.
But our Eastwoods are in Horbury, West Riding of Yorkshire and then some of them went into Leicestershire - but as yet, we have not made any connection to the South of England Eastwoods
I would presume yours are South of England Eastwoods?
Chris in 1066
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Hi KerryB
My mother in laws maiden name is Eastwood and my wife has done considerable research into that surname.
But our Eastwoods are in Horbury, West Riding of Yorkshire and then some of them went into Leicestershire - but as yet, we have not made any connection to the South of England Eastwoods
I would presume yours are South of England Eastwoods?
Chris in 1066
Darn it! wouldn't you know it. I'm chasing an elusive Eastwood too, namely Susannah Eastwood born about 1750 married my Thomas Nailard in Mayfield 04/06/1771 later living in Heathfield. According to SMI she was the daughter of John Eastwood.
Kerry, if you have her among your lot I'd love to know ;D
Suey
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Chris and Suey
My Eastwoods seemed to have stayed in Burwash and the surrounds in Sussex. Not sure where they came from further back, they are a new name to start researching for me. My great x 4 grandfather married a Hannah Eastwood and as I found a link with the Vigar family which is my gran's family I thought I would start having a look.
I thought I might find links between my maternal grandfather's Sussex family and my paternal grandmother's Sussex family not my maternal grandmother's Surrey family ::) ::) ::)
Anyway I'm at work today but tonight I'll have a look and get back to you Suey. John Eastwood is ringing loud bells with me!!
BTW for anyone else no OPC for Balcombe :-\
Kerry
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Hi again Suey
No Susannah on the tree I have. The earliest Eastwood I have found was John Eastwood born 1679, married Ann Piper 1704 at Mayfield and died 1743 in Mayfield. His son William was born 1714 in Mayfield but moved to Burwash. He married Anne Monk in 1739 in Burwash.
I wonder if your John was a brother of William?
Kerry
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Hi Kerry, Yes that is the line I've been trying to follow - I have John bap 12th August 1706, died 1800 Mayfield as a possible brother to William.
This John married Katherine Pearl 1726 Mayfield so too early I think to be Susanna's parents but they may have had a son John
There is a John Eastwood marrying Elizabeth Pet (of Mayfield by lic) at Withyham...21st May 1739. Only about 6 miles from Mayfield as the crow flies.
I have found several Eastwood researchers but none have seen Susanna or another John in the right time frame ??? ho hum another one on the to do pile :).
Suey
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Suey
I'll keep Susanna in mind when I seriously get round to looking at the Eastwoods. I'm planning a trip to ESRO in the very near future if I can around to it.
Kerry
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Hi there, I am interested in the eastwoods and have gone back to john eastwood and anne piper in our tree and the Burwash eastwoods. We have a strand that married into a travelling family and have ended up in Kent in later years, although its very confusing as other Eastwoods have trades and seem quite settled in Five Ashes/Mayfield/Burwash. Does anyone have any info that can fill in our gaps?
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we have a susanna who married an Eastwood and then had a daughter Susanna Eastwood 1772 in Burwash is this any help to anyone?
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Hi zozo and welcome to Rootschat.
I had been informed, can't remember where that John Eastwood who married Ann Piper came from Mayfield, however I looked at the Mayfield parish registers on Monday at Lewes and could find no trace of him. Next stop Burwash!
Kerry
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we have john eastwood married anne piper 26 Oct 1704 in mayfield, uckfield, sussex? and ten various children and Johns parents? do we share the same family?
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Hi zozo
Yes I have John and Ann Piper too in my tree. But I am not sure that John actually came from Mayfield. I checked the parish register on Monday in Lewes but there was no sign of John or any of the children.
Kerry
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do you want me to email me what we have? we start off with John Eastwood and Anne Piper(managed to get back a bit on the Piper side) who married in Mayfield? we then have several (5) children born in Mayfield and then some of them settle in Burwash but disappear? we have links with the eastwood family who then married travellers and the eastwood holmes but I'm not sure where(another little mystery). Another Piper (Hannah) marries into the Eastwoods a coupel of generations later? We did spend several days in Lewes and also in Chichester in September. We have found some Eastwoods in Five Ashes as well that are definatley tied in.
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Hi zozo
I'll send you a private message with my email address.
Kerry :)
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Hi Kerry,
First time using this Rootschat site so please bear with me.
My husband's Eastwood roots go back to John Eastwood born 1679 presumably in or around Burwash, East Sussex. John's wife was Ann Piper born 1676. His children included William Eastwood born 1714 Mayfield who married Ann Monk in Burwash at St. Bartholomew's Church and they had 16 children many of whom, if not all, were baptised at the same church. Needless to say there were/are hundreds of East Sussex Eastwoods descended just from William. I have many of them but cannot go any further back than John Eastwood. A lot of people have come through as Hot Matches on the Genes Reunited site with the origins being in Yorkshire. I did not think there could be any connection but looking at postings on your site it could be very possible. Can you throw any light on the possible Yorkshire origins?
Have not found any Vigars yet though!
Thank you so much for any help you can give.
Best wishes from Helen
::)
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Hi Helen and welcome to Rootschat
I wouldn't believe anything that came up as a hot match without seeing proof, when I was subscribed to GR I used to get some amazing so called hot matches like mothers born a century after their son etc. ::) ::)
I'm still searching for a baptism for John but as far as I know there are no links with Yorkshire but finding out about John would help. That reminds me to bring him back to the top of the To do pile!
Kerry
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Now this might be a complete red herring and I need to look into it a bit more but looking at the SFHG baptisms there are two men a William and a John who marry in Billingshurst 1678 and 1681 called Easted, William has 4 children and John a son called John baptised in 1684. I can find no other records for any of them so far except the two marriages and the baptisms, no further records in Billingshurst and no burials.
Did they move to Mayfield? Did they become Eastwood? Is there a link between billingshurst and Mayfield? Interestingly enough a number of other Mayfield surnames - Weston, Dunk and Piper kept cropping up too. Hmmmm
As I said it could be a complete red herring but if I do a search on John Eastwood and variants between 1660 and 1700 this John baptised 1684 is the only one to come up.
Kerry
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Thank you Kerry.
There were Eastwoods connected to the Etchingham/Burwash Eastwoods who came from Ninfield. Also I have William Eastwood's (1714) brothers and sisters if that helps with anything. They are John, born 1706, Sarah, born 1709, Jane, born 1710, Thomas, born 1712, then William, and lastly James born 1718. I don't know of any other children at the moment. I have further details of John, Jane and James but need to dig the facts up from my paperwork!
Yes, you are right about the hot match thing. I had some queer stuff come up at times. ::) ::)
I also have Pilbeams, Westons, Humphreys, and others on our tree. I am going to have a look at the "Sussexweald" website again as that has many ancestors listed. I presume you know about that website. It contains a host of Sussex villages and can be very useful. :)
Best wishes Helen
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Morning Helen
I got the following baptisms from a disc I have with Mayfield baptisms
John, 8 December 1706
Sarah, 6 March 1707
thomas, 10 February 1712
William 20 March 1714
James, 11 May 1718
but no mention of Jane, have you seen the original PR? It could have been missed on the baptisms I have for Mayfield?
Interesting also that on the Bishops transcripts a couple of baptisms are under the name Isted rather than Eastwood, another name to look at for John's baptism maybe.
I love the Sussexweald site, it is so useful!
Kerry
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Hi All,
My connections run through the same Eastwoods and when I first looked at this lot my inclination was that the Eastwoods developed from the Isted name. I have seen the surname Estwood which seems a half way point.
Anyway, there is a baptism for a Sarah Isted in Mayfield in 28 Feb 1676 daughter of John & Sarah and it might well be that John Eastwood could be their child, although I can find no records.
There is a large Isted family connection with Framfield and their connections are well documented in the visitation of Sussex.
Sean
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Hi Sean
I found Sarah's baptism this morning, as usual, can find no other baptisms to the couple, no other record for Sarah and no marriage for a John and Sarah. ::) So we could well be dealing with the same people with changing surnames????
Kerry
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Hi Kerry
I have the Mayfield PRs
Little Sarah daughter of John & Sarah was buried 5th March 1679 :(
The page for Marriages & Burials 1672 are missing ??? so that does`nt help.
Kind Regards
Omega
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Hi again Kerry,
No, so far I have not seen the parish record for Jane. I am going down to stay at my caravan in Pevensey Bay next week so will take a trip over to Hastings to have a look in the research library for the parish records for Mayfield if they have them. Will let you know if I find anything of interest.
I think the idea of the name being originally Isted/Estwood/ and similar is feasible. I had a contact who was given the name Istod or something similar as being the name of William's father. Will go back to my source and have another look.
Best wishes Helen
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I'll keep looking too. Enjoy Pevensey Bay, I live not far away so I can tell you bring an extra jumper, we've had a cold north wind for the last week and expecting our first frost tonight, and that is extremely early for sunny Sussex.
Kerry
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Hello again Kerry,
COLD? in Pevensey Bay? ;D
Before I moved with my parents to Bexhill in 1947 somebody said to us "don't come to live in Bexhill if you don't like the cold wind!" But we did and loved it there.
Which branch of the Eastwood family do you descend from? My hubby Len's family were in Etchingham and his ancestors are William Eastwood 1714 Samuel, Stephen, Henry, James and lastly his mother Ivy. I understand if you don't want to give any details on here though.
Luv Helen :-*
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Here I am again,
Forgot to say in my earlier message that all my contacts have Jane Eastwood born 1710, baptised 17.10.1712, as a sister of William 1714. There are at least 4 of them (contacts that is).
I couldn't find anything on Family Search (IGI) on any names that resembled Eastwood, I tried, Istod, Istood, Istead, Isted. There was a couple of Isteds from Mayfield but much earlier, i.e. mid 1550's living at Moat House, Mayfield. I am going to have a look at the lists on film next week just in case they haven't been transcribed for the Family Search site. It may well be there are other variants of the name that we haven't thought of. Anything is worth a try. All jolly good detective work ;)
Helen ;D
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Hello again Kerry,
COLD? in Pevensey Bay? ;D
Before I moved with my parents to Bexhill in 1947 somebody said to us "don't come to live in Bexhill if you don't like the cold wind!" But we did and loved it there.
Which branch of the Eastwood family do you descend from? My hubby Len's family were in Etchingham and his ancestors are William Eastwood 1714 Samuel, Stephen, Henry, James and lastly his mother Ivy. I understand if you don't want to give any details on here though.
Luv Helen :-*
Hi Helen
My line comes through William born 1714, his daughter Hannah married Thomas Pilbeam and their son was George. He had a son James, then William John, then George Charles and finally down to my grandad Ron Pilbeam who was born not far away at Three Cups near Punnetts Town.
Samuel's family is where the Vigar's fit in, his daughter Hannah married Thomas Vigar! :)
I'm not convinced about Jane, I've searched through the Mayfield PRs on disc again and unless they've missed some she doesn't appear at all. Always best to check originals though.
Luv Kerry :D
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"John's wife was Ann Piper born 1676. His children included William Eastwood born 1714 Mayfield who married Ann Monk in Burwash at St. Bartholomew's Church and they had 16 children many of whom, if not all, were baptised at the same church."
We have 6 children not 16?
Zozo
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I have 16 on my tree with the following christening years.
Sarah 1740 Burwash
Ann 1742
William 1743
Henry 1745
Thomas 1746
Edward 1748
Stephen 1750
Elizabeth 1751
Mary 1753
James 1755
Hannah 1757
Robert 1758
Samuel 1760
George 1762
Lucy 1763
Joseph 1764
My line runs through two of them Hannah & William.
Sean
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To confirm, cos I is getting confused ::)
It is William and Ann (Monk) who had 16 children and I am descended from Hannah.
John and Ann (Piper) have a confirmed 5 children with another 1 possible to confirm or otherwise.
Kerry
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Hi Kerry
That's what we have, I thought I was going mad for a while? ???
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That makes two of us then ;D
I've changed the title of this thread so that Eastwood researchers can find it now as well as Vigars
Kerry
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cos I is getting confused
I've just about lost the plot with the Eastwoods ???
I now know that my Susanna who m Thomas Nailard is the daughter of
JOHN EASTWOOD and ELIZABETH PET m at Withyham 1739 and she comes in this list of children all baptised at Mayfield
1739 9 December Sarah
1741 28 June Elizabeth
1742 18 July Mary
1743 4 September Esther
1745 1 January Anne
1752 6 January John
1754 3 March Martha
1755 22 February Thomas
1757 29 April Thomas
1758 3 December Hannah
However, getting further back has proved frustrating :'(
Suey
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The page for Marriages & Burials 1672 are missing so that does`nt help.
I'm afraid there are more than that missing from the Mayfield Registers, also some entries are nigh on impossible to read.
Here's what I found when searching...sorry if it's a bit jumbled but this is how I've taken the info from the fiche
This information is from microfiche of baptisms, burials and mostly marriages supplied by the IHGS - part of their Sussex Collection
From a typed frontispiece to the transcriptions and reads as follows - with some of my own notes thrown in...
Copy presented to the Church by the transcriber W H Challen 01/03/1944
The first register book is the original paper record with
Baptisms 1570 Mch 25 to 1664 and odd entries to 1673
Burials 1570 Mch 26 to 1664
Marriages 1570 May 7 to 1663 Apr 21
and has the events mixed together till 1591 separate to 1605, then mixed 1606-10, then separate from 1611 to 1645 then irregular and out of order some entries being all for certain families covering several years.
He then lists the years, families and events - families include Shoesmith - Carey - Pecke - Martin - Ashdowne and some others.
Second Register book contains separately
Baptisms 1664 Feb 25th to 1763 Dec 26
Burials 1665 Oct to 1763 Nov 20
Marriages 1665 Dec 14 to 1754 Feb 22 and copy (I presume from a 'copy' of the original PR) 1755 to 1757
1666 to 1695 from Bishops Transcripts as far as available for this period.
Baptisms 1664 end May, nearly a page cut off and a piece cut off 1665
Transcriber WH Challen and dated 1 March 1944 -
Burials 1570 - 1644 1st Register
1665-1763 2nd Register
3rd Book 1764-1789
by Courtesty of Rev T B Oliver
"Examination of these books revealed further deficiencies"
Burials - no entries 1671-1672
Incomplete 1681 ends 27 June
Marriages, no entries for years 1643. 1646 to 1654. 1657 to 1662. 1664. 1661. 1672. 1682 to 92. 1706. 1739.
Baptisms incomplete 1681 to 1683. 1691
no entries 1739 blank pages between 1738 and 1740
A BT for 1739 is available at Chichester Diocesan Registry
Mr Challon must have looked at these because they appear on the microfiche as 1739 "copy of BT"
1666 not complete
1667 1668 no BT
1670-1672 no BT
the years 1676 1677 and 78 are muddled births marriages and deaths all mixed up
1688 no BT
The Parish Register commences 1570.
According to 1831 census Births Marriages and Burials 1664 to 1693 are defective.
The present vicar Rev T B Oliver reports that the 2nd Register covering 1664 to 1764 has many gaps
1664 Feb to May the rest cut out
1671 no burials or marriages and so forth.
Census also records Baptisms and Burials 1801 to 1806 also defective "but this does not appear to be so"
In the 1st Register book 1 leaf 19th Aug 1577 to 9th March 1577-8 is missing - entries 1646 to 1664 are irregular and defective, Jo. Maynard, vicar recording 'the register was neglected'
BT's at Chichester for Mayfield commence 1666
He then goes on to transcribe from the BT's and records 1666 "this BT is partly mutilated" - he dates and signs his notes 01/03/1944
The biggest problem I've found when looking at transcriptions is that they don't tell you what's not there, ie the missing pages or illegible handwriting.
Suey
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Thank you Suey, that's very useful. I think I'm going to print it out and put it with my Mayfield PR disc.
Kerry :)
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If I'm reading that all right it could well be that John Eastwood was actually born and baptised in Mayfield rather than anywhere else but just not recorded.
Kerry
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kerry,
I follow the Eastwood family. I come down through William 1714. I only follow my own line, but make a note of any others I find. There is an older brother of William named John 1706. Could this be your John?. I have not got a marriage, but have childrens Baptisms :-
9 Dec 1739 Sarah
28 June 1741 Elizabeth
18 july 1742 Mary
4 Sep 1743 Esther
1Jan 1745 Anne
27Apr 1747 Susanna
25 Dec 1749 James
6 Feb 1751 John
3 Mar 1754 Martha
29 Apr 1756 Thomas
3 Dec 1759 Hannah
all children of John & Elizabeth Eastwood
If this is the correct John he is the son of John Eastwood & Ann Piper
The only other entry I have is a burial
6 Jan1752 John son of John & Elizabeth
I hope this helps, I found this site by accident looking for something else this afternoon.
brendaR
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Hi Brenda,
welcome to rootschat and welcome to the Eastwood clan, there do seem to be a lot of us!!!
My line also comes through William born 1714 and his brother was John born 1706. He appears to be the John who married Elizabeth Pet in 1739 and they had the children as you detail.
The John I am looking for is John (1706) and William 1714 father. I have his marriage but not his baptism.
Which of William's children is in your line?
Kerry
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Hi Kerry ,
I looked througj the Mayfield Film at least three times before I found the marriage . John Istod & Ann Piper. I have not found his baptism yet myself , I have not done much Family history this year, I must get back to it and get the Mayfield film again to look at. The trouble is they are very hard to read the older they get. I have1678 as John`s birth year but I` m not sure where I got it from. Hopes that helps.
I come down through a long line of Eastwoods William 1714, William1743, William 1782, John 1821, John 1839, Harriet 1862 where the name changes to Johnson, Annie married a May, my mum Emma married a Munday
Regards Brenda
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hi, im new to rootschat ... i was wondering if anyone can help me ... im trying to find john eastwood/istod c1678. i know he married ann(e) piper 1676. he was borm in mayfield sussex but i cant go any further back. hit a brick wall!!
also ann monk 1719, (wiliam eastwood's 1714 wife) because someone has told me that she died in march 1775 but was buried 1 april 1779!!!!
can anyone help please?
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Hi Jodz,
I think everyone is stuck with the baptism of John Eastwood, quite a few of us on Rootschat have him in our family tree.
I have Ann Monk buried 11 Jan 1799 in Burwash, that is from the SFHG database, now whether that agrees with others research I do not know.
Sean
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Hi jodz and welcome
I have same date as swebby for Ann's burial - 11 Jan 1799.
Kerry
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Looks like some interesting stuff on some of the Eastwood family from Burwash in the following book.
http://books.google.com/books?id=crBDTK1AHTcC&printsec=frontcover&lr=&hl=fr&sig=oNBuIXaWFbBChtJJUXKAUY_-R8A#v=onepage&q&f=false
There is a whole chapter in crime in Burwash from p169, I haven't looked through it all but p210-212 has some Eastwood stuff in there as well as many other Sussex families.
Sean
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Thanks swebby, unfortunately I can't see beyond page 143, I just get preview and an option to buy from amazon for $105!!!!
Kerry
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Strange,
Here is an excerpt on a blog which led me to it, it has the bits about the Eastwoods.
http://www.funnell.org/archives/thomas-funnell-burwash-gangster-1838/
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Hi Sean
I've just been searching on Ancestry, filling in a bit of time before Casualty looking at early Eastwood trees.
There are 52 trees on ancestry that all give the parents of John eastwood born 1679 at Joseph Eastwood and Hannah Kinder?? I've done various SMI checks and baptism record searches and can find no record of either of these two people at all. Do you know anything about these two or is a case of everyone copying 1 wrong tree?
Kerry
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Well there is a thread on them on Rootschat, doesn't look likely it is them.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,250610.msg1384279.html
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thanks swebby!
It appears the Ancestry trees are completely wrong then. They have them born 1650 and in Sussex so no wonder I couldn't find them.
My money is still on Sarah born 1676 in Mayfield being our John's sister. I have a will somewhere for Henry Monk who left money to his daughter Ann Isted or Ested, can't remember without pulling out the will, married to William who I take to be William son of John and Ann Piper.
Kerry
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hi, thanks for the replies, so she was buried in 1799 ... you are probably right ... i cant remember who it was that told me ... someone on GR ...
there is also something else that bugging me ... i dont spose anyone has heard of genty eastwood ... owned a scrap metal yard in dartford kent roughly in the 70's/80's ... she is apparently a relation but i have no idea how ... she married a john eastwood ... i have no idea if they were both eastwood's or if her maiden name is different ... the only people i can ask have died so im completely stuck!!!! ...
if anyone can help it will be much appreciated ...
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hi,
do any of u have john eastwood 1679 parents as joseph eastwood and hannah kinder?
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Hi Jodz,
If you look at the 3 threads above your last reply you will see that we discussed Joseph and Hannah and decided that it was virtually impossible for them to be his parents.
Regards
Sean
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hi sean,
sorry to ask that i was just getting confused with all the names so i thought i would just ask lol ... eastwood's are hard to trace and so complicated
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Hi Kerry ,
I looked througj the Mayfield Film at least three times before I found the marriage . John Istod & Ann Piper. I have not found his baptism yet myself , I have not done much Family history this year, I must get back to it and get the Mayfield film again to look at. The trouble is they are very hard to read the older they get. I have1678 as John`s birth year but I` m not sure where I got it from. Hopes that helps.
I come down through a long line of Eastwoods William 1714, William1743, William 1782, John 1821, John 1839, Harriet 1862 where the name changes to Johnson, Annie married a May, my mum Emma married a Munday
Regards Brenda
I resurrected this thread after going through it again today and realising that the name John Istod could be Isted and that we know this person as John Eastwood. So does the John Eastwood line evolve from the Isted's? There is plenty of info on the web about the Isted families of Sussex. I have looked at some of these sites and amongst variants of the Isted name mentioned are EASTED, ESTED, ESTEAD, EYSTED, but not Eastwood. There are a lot of us stuck on John Eastwood and Ann Piper. Perhaps this maybe a way forward (or perhaps that should be backwards !!!). ;D reni
This is actually my wife's line
John Eastwood (b1679) = Ann Piper (b1676)
John Eastwood (b1706) = Elizabeth Pet
Hester Eastwood (b1743 = Thomas Fenner (b1738/9)
John Fenner (b1765) = Ann Bones (1768)
Sophia Fenner (b1804) = Thomas Baldwin (b1801)
Sophia Baldwin (1829) = Henry Leaney (b1828) Sussex
Ruth Leaney( 1861) = (Arthur) Frederick Newman (1860) Surrey
Elizabeth Sophia Newman (b1885) = James Wm. Freeman (b1876 Tottenham)
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Hi Reni
I haven't looked at this family for some time but I think you are right. It seems that Isted, Istod, Easted, etc etc are all variants on the way to what seems to have become Eastwood. These names seem quite common in Sussex.
I think I googled some Isted sites last year but maybe need to revisit them. Another job to add to the list. ;D
Kerry
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John Eastwood (b1679) = Ann Piper (b1676)
John Eastwood (b1706) = Elizabeth Pet
Hester Eastwood (b1743 = Thomas Fenner (b1738/9)
John Fenner (b1765) = Ann Bones (1768)
Sophia Fenner (b1804) = Thomas Baldwin (b1801)
Sophia Baldwin (1829) = Henry Leaney (b1828) Sussex
Ruth Leaney( 1861) = (Arthur) Frederick Newman (1860) Surrey
Elizabeth Sophia Newman (b1885) = James Wm. Freeman (b1876 Tottenham)
I don't think we can say with certainty that the John born in 1706 is the son of John and Ann Piper....unless someone knows something I don't know :-\
If this is the John who married Elizabeth Pet he would have been 33 at the time of the marriage in 1739,
I keep coming back to the John who married Katherine Pearl in 1726...he would be 20 at the time of the marriage so I don't think we can just dismiss him.
I did wonder if we were looking at the same John getting married for a second time but I see a John and Katherine Eastwood baptising a daughter Anne in 1739/40 - odd because it's the only John and Katherine I've found so far, except we all know the parlous state of the Mayfield registers!
Suey
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I don't think we can say with certainty that the John born in 1706 is the son of John and Ann Piper....unless someone knows something I don't know :-\
If this is the John who married Elizabeth Pet he would have been 33 at the time of the marriage in 1739,
I keep coming back to the John who married Katherine Pearl in 1726...he would be 20 at the time of the marriage so I don't think we can just dismiss him.
I did wonder if we were looking at the same John getting married for a second time but I see a John and Katherine Eastwood baptising a daughter Anne in 1739/40 - odd because it's the only John and Katherine I've found so far, except we all know the parlous state of the Mayfield registers!
Suey
My understanding is that it is the same John Eastwood who first married a Katherine Pearl and then married Elizabeth Pet. This info was provided by kerryb a few years ago in a thread I started. I will see if I can find it. Thanks reni :)
Also info. from Janet Sutton on GR. Here it is, but I am not sure whether it proves anything !
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,427541.0.html
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Thanks for the link, I had forgotton that conversation, can these two threads be linked I wonder?
Just found this on SFHG database
Burial Mayfield St Dunstans
Catharine Easwood - 23rd March 1776 - widow
Soooo it gets even more confusing!
Suey
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I am now beginning to realise why the tutor of my course I am currently studying keeps drumming into me that I should put research notes onto everything I add to my family tree. ::)
It would certainly help when you revisit these problems such as John Eastwood born 1706.
This Catharine Easwood who died 1776 could be the next generation though, maybe a bit old to be John's generation??
Kerry
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I am now beginning to realise why the tutor of my course I am currently studying keeps drumming into me that I should put research notes onto everything I add to my family tree. ::)
It would certainly help when you revisit these problems such as John Eastwood born 1706.
This Catharine Easwood who died 1776 could be the next generation though, maybe a bit old to be John's generation??
Kerry
Lol! just been re-visiting all my Eastwood notes and trying to update.
I agree she would be a tad elderly to be Katherine nee Pearl....but I have not found evidence of another Catherine anywhere...yet ;D
Suey
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When John marries Elizabeth Pet it is she who is described as 'of Mayfield', the marriage takes place in Withyham, spitting distance from the borders of Kent, are we assuming too much here?
Does anyone know if there are Eastwoods over the border?
Suey
ps - I don't know what condition the Withyham registers are in but there do not appear to be any Eastwoods on the SFHG database in that parish :'(
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bother :-\
done a quick search of SMI to see if I could find a Catherine/Katherine who could possibly fit the widow who died in Mayfield 1776 and the only Katherine who married a Eastwood was Katherine Pearl. ???
We haven't found a burial for a Katherine before 1739 have we?
Kerry
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There are none that i can find.
So do we have to assume that the John Eastwood who married Elizabeth Pet is not the same as the one shown below who married Katherine Pearle and would therefore not be the son of John Eastwood & Ann Piper ? reni ::) :o >:( :'(
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,393032.0.html
suey's post 9 from this link
(JOHN EASTWOOD born 1679 died 1743 Mayfield married 26th October 1704 St Dunstans Mayfield to ANN PIPER born about 1676 in Mayfield.)
This couple also had two known sons WILLIAM EASTWOOD married ANN MONK at Burwash 1739 and JOHN EASTWOOD baptised 12th August 1706 died 1800 Mayfield.
This John married KATHERINE PEARL again in Mayfield by Banns on 26th December 1726.
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Yes, that is how I see it :'(.
I think it was assumed at first that the John b1706 had married twice.
However... because of that baptism for Anne 1739/40 - the burial for a widow Catharine in 1776, and this could be Katherine Pearl she'd be about age 68 on rough calculations so not impossible...plus the fact that the Withyham marriage only states that Elizabeth Pet is 'of Mayfield' I think thats enough to at least make us think we have two Johns :'(
Suey
added...OR someone has to find another Katherine married to a.n other Eastwood
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"added...OR someone has to find another Katherine married to a.n other Eastwood"
I found no other marriages for a Mr. Eastwood to a Katherine in the SMI.
But how can we be sure that the JOHN EASTWOOD baptised 12th August 1706 died 1800 Mayfield.
married KATHERINE PEARL 26th December 1726 is the son of JOHN EASTWOOD born 1679 died 1743 Mayfield married 26th October 1704 St Dunstans Mayfield to ANN PIPER born about 1676 in Mayfield ?
Equally it could be John Eastwood who married Elizabeth Pet 1739 who is John Snr & Ann Piper's son if there are two John Eastwood's?
Have I missed the conclusive evidence somewhere? reni 8)
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"added...OR someone has to find another Katherine married to a.n other Eastwood"
I found no other marriages for a Mr. Eastwood to a Katherine in the SMI.
But how can we be sure that the JOHN EASTWOOD baptised 12th August 1706 died 1800 Mayfield.
married KATHERINE PEARL 26th December 1726 is the son of JOHN EASTWOOD born 1679 died 1743 Mayfield married 26th October 1704 St Dunstans Mayfield to ANN PIPER born about 1676 in Mayfield ?
Equally it could be John Eastwood who married Elizabeth Pet 1739 who is John Snr & Ann Piper's son if there are two John Eastwoods's?
Have I missed the conclusive evidence somewhere? reni 8)
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Drowning in a sea of tears and frustration here. The simple answer is we cannot be sure...
Howsomever ;D we can make an edumacated guess ;D
The John born 1726 would have been 20 at the time of his marriage to Katherine Pearl, a more usual age for a fellow to be going up the aisle! And he was born and married in Mayfield. So he' is the better candidate to be the son of John and Ann Piper.
Now; as we don't have evidence for another John anywhere we can only surmise his age at the time of his marriage to Elizabeth Pet but I usually go on 20/25.
I think that's why folk thought he was the same John marrying for the second time to E P because he'd have been 33, plenty of time to see off one wife and find another....also the absence of any baptisms to John and Katherine, I think we simply thought she'd died..
Also, although Elizabeth Pet was said to come from Mayfield...John was not similarly described...the marriage was in Withyham which makes me think he is a different John
Shut me up someone, I'm waffling now ???
Suey
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There is a John Estwood's baptism ( 1699/1700) at Buxted on FSO, SOPC & SFHG. His father was a George Estwood, mother not given. I wonder if anyone on here has this family of Estwood's ? He is another candidate for "our" one/two John's. reni ;D
PS I cannot find a marriage for the father George Estwood :'(
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There are at least 4 Family trees on A co.uk and "The ancestral pedigree of John Eastwood" on the Weald site which give the marriage of John Eastwood (b c1705) to Katherine Pearl in 1726 which produced two daughters in Mayfield, Sarah (b1728) and a Katherine (b1731/2). Births are also in IGI. So we have the possibility of another Katherine Eastwood. But the death of a Katherine in 1776 mentioned earlier was that of a widow. Slim chance she married another Eastwood ! reni :o
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Doh! didn,t think of the Weald website, will have a look, did they give sources?
Where else can we look given that we seem to be tied to the computer?
I've been trying to look on the National Archives website but it seems to be running slowly, for me at least ???
Suey
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Right one assignment finished and a breather before I start next 2. whoever said that study was all about drinking and clubbing hasn't done a post grad! ;D
Anyway one thing that occurred to me do we know when Katherine Pearl was born? Not sure why I am wondering that except that its useful to know age she was when children are born and when she died.
Kerry
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On the Weald site the birth of Katherine Pearl is given as " c 1705 Born Estimated date "
which is really nothing more than a "guestimate". The only death found for a Katherine Eastwood is 1776 widow.
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Hmm and I am not coming up with anything on the SFHG website that fits her at all!
Just looking at the Weald site and I see there is mention of a George Eastwood from Edenbridge and I am wondering if there is a family from that way which could be the John Eastwood that married Elizabeth Pet at Withyham. I think Withyham is not that far from Edenbridge? Just an idea anyway.
Kerry
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The George Eastwood from Edenbridge on the Weald site is born in the same year as the (one of) John Eastwood we are following. The George mentioned before has a son John bapt Buxted 1699/1700.
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There is also a marriage in the SMI of a John Eastwood and Mary Winter both of Framfield on the10th Dec 1702 at Ringmer, E.Sussex. One would image if they had a son the likelihood is he would be called John and would be of the right age.
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On the Weald site the birth of Katherine Pearl is given as " c 1705 Born Estimated date "
which is really nothing more than a "guestimate". The only death found for a Katherine Eastwood is 1776 widow.
There is a distinct lack of Pear/le families in East Sussex. One lot in Cuckfield which is closest, the others are all on the West side of the County.
I'm wondering if the Vicar got the spelling correct in the register?
Suey
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Suey
I think I have come to the same conclusion after searching SFHG and the SMI for Pearl there just don't seem to be any others.
There are a few pearless on the Mayfield disc but nothing that seems to fit.
Kerry
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I come down through a long line of Eastwoods William 1714, William1743, William 1782, John 1821, John 1839, Harriet 1862 where the name changes to Johnson, Annie married a May, my mum Emma married a Munday
Hello Brenda! I'm another Eastwood - sort of. I'm descended from Harriet's younger sister Caroline - married Slater, their daughter Caroline married a Phillips, & their daughter Margaret married a Coles & became my maternal grandmother. I've only just started looking into the Eastwood - do you happen to know where John senior & junior where in 1861? I can't track them in the 1861 census, nor find a record of John jr & Ann's marriage.
Lady N
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There is also a marriage in the SMI of a John Eastwood and Mary Winter both of Framfield on the10th Dec 1702 at Ringmer, E.Sussex. One would image if they had a son the likelihood is he would be called John and would be of the right age.
Looks like we've hit the wall with our Eastwoods Reni, you'd think they would all be related somehow, maybe just a lack of records.
You mention John and Mary, neither Ringer or Framfield have any meaningful baptisms for Eastwoods. Only two baptisms for Winter in Ringmer and neither are Mary!
Is there anywhere else we can look?...I can't see anything on National Archives website but since they did away with A2A I have a job to find anything ???
Kerry - Pearl is such an unusual surname....The closest I've got so far is a Katherine and William EARLE baptising children in Barcombe about the right time, again no daughter Katherine but another for the maybe pile ?
Suey
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Lol wouldn't you know it! They were William Earle of Barcombe and Katherine Earle of Warbleton married at Ringmer in 1707.
Plenty of room for a Katherine among the baptisms in Barcombe though, William 1709 and a gap to Mary 1717 and Susanna 1718/19. I love SFHG database but one never knows the exact state of the registers they are transcribing from, Does anyone have a fiche or disk I wonder?
Suey
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Lol wouldn't you know it! They were William Earle of Barcombe and Katherine Earle of Warbleton married at Ringmer in 1707.
Plenty of room for a Katherine among the baptisms in Barcombe though, William 1709 and a gap to Mary 1717 and Susanna 1718/19. I love SFHG database but one never knows the exact state of the registers they are transcribing from, Does anyone have a fiche or disk I wonder?
Suey
Interesting........
Katharine Pearl IGI Bapt 25 APR 1720 Deverill-Longbridge, Wiltshire, father William.
KATHARINE PEARLE IGI Bapt 27 JUL1679 Eastdean,nr Chichester, parents John & Katherine.
KATHERINE EARLE IGI Bapt. 25 APR 1680 Eastbourne, Sussex
CATHARINE EARLE IGI Bapt 12 OCT 1680 Ripe, Sussex
CATHERINE EARLE IGI Bapt 01 AUG 1684 Berwick, Sussex
KATHERINE EARLE IGI Bapt 10 JUN 1688 Eastbourne, Sussex
Catharine Earle IGI Bapt 22 NOV 1718 Alciston, Sussex parents John & Mary
KATHRINE EARL IGI Bapt 07 MAR 1724 Harting, Sussex
Katherine Earle IGI Bapt 04 MAR 1717 Lenham, Kent
KATHERINE EARLE IGI Bapt 10 APR 1698 Kingston Upon Thames, Surrey
KATHREN EARLE IGI Bapt 28 DEC 1708 Farnham, Surrey.
CATHERINE SEARLE IGI Bapt 04 NOV 1702 Pulborough, Sussex.
KATHERINE SEARLE IGI Bapt 13 DEC 1719 Easebourne, Sussex.
reni
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Hmm Katherine Pearl married John Eastwood in 1726 so it doesn't look like there is a suitable Katherine Earle. Shame that could have solved it. Unless there is a missing one in Barcombe, but then we are back to square 1! ;D
Kerry
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The page for Marriages & Burials 1672 are missing so that does`nt help.
Hi I don't know if it would help anyone, but I have access to about the first 30 volumes published by the Sussex Records Society. They mostly seem to cover the area served by the Archdeaconry of Lewes, but they do include several volumes listing marraiges. I''ll try & post a separate list tonight, but in the meantime if there's a query you think I might be able to help with, feel free to send me a PM.
Lady N
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Hmm Katherine Pearl married John Eastwood in 1726 so it doesn't look like there is a suitable Katherine Earle. Shame that could have solved it. Unless there is a missing one in Barcombe, but then we are back to square 1! ;D
Kerry
St Mary’s Eastbourne, burial of Katherine EARLE 1st May 1739, daughter of John & Ann EARLE. Weird this is the year we are looking for a Katherine PEARLE to be burried and John Eastwood remarries (perhaps) to Elizabeth PET !! Alternatively there were two John Eastwood's who married the girls.
reni :D
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According to the IGI the John Eastwood, b1706, Mayfield, Sussex to John Eastwood Snr and Ann Piper definitely marries Katherine Pearl.
This is weird but probably a coincidence.........
John Eastwood
IGI bapt. 09 APR 1710 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London,
Elizabeth Pett bapt 15 Oct 1704 - St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney, London
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According to the IGI the John Eastwood, b1706, Mayfield, Sussex to John Eastwood Snr and Ann Piper definitely marries Katherine Pearl.
This is weird but probably a coincidence.........
John Eastwood
IGI bapt. 09 APR 1710 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London,
Elizabeth Pett bapt 15 Oct 1704 - St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney, London
Must admit that's some co-incidence ???
Ancestry has 15th Dec 1704 Elizabeth dau of William and Elizabeth Pett [looks like M.N.Tonn (could be Mile End Old Town :-\ occ Brewers Servant - Elizabeth was 16 months at time of baptism
9th April 1710 John s of John and Elizabeth Eastwood of Wapp. (Wapping) Mariner age at bap. 13 months
Will look for marriages...
Suey
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OOPS! that's torn it - just found John Jnr's burial in June of the same year...16th June 1710 John s of John Eastwood of Wapp Marr.
Suey
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Hi
Don't know whether anyone is still researching the Eastwood family of Mayfield but after a 3 year gap I did a more of searching this afternoon and this is what I found:
From the Mayfield PR CD produced by the Parish Register Transcription Society
Baptisms
1668 7 March - John son of John Istead (=Istead?)
1676 28 Feb - Sarah, daughter of John Mary Isted
Marriage
John Isted and Susanna Frye married 1687 28 Feb
1704 26 October John Eastwood married Ann Piper
1704 no date John Isted and Ann Piper in BT only
Burials
1700 24 Apr the wife of John Eastwood
1701 15 March John Eastwood senior
From the Sussex Family History Group
1702 15 Feb John Eastwood senior buried
1680 5 March Sarah Isted daughter of John and Mary buried
Now there are two discrepancies between the records, I feel, 2 different years for Sarah burial and John Eastwood which shows the difficulty with looking at transcribed records.
However saying all that I don't think I have seen the 1668 baptism for John Isted mentioned before as a possibility. That means he would be 8 years older than Ann Piper but did he marry before to Susanna and she died (so where is her burial?)
I have not noticed the second 1704 marriage record before which clearly records him as Isted rather than Eastwood.
So what do people think, is this a possibility, has anyone already researching this name and come to a conclusion?
Kerry
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Hi Kerry, I'm always interested in extra information.. I'm not at home just now so don't have any notes to hand.
I've not seen the Istead/Piper marriage, am wondering if it's a transcription problem because as you say where is Susanna's burial ?
I won't be back in Sussex till the end of this week but in the meantime will have a ponder.....
Suey
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Was just thinking about the different dates. The calendar did not change until mid 1700s but often transcribers just put one year rather than indicating that it might be one of two possibles - if you see what I mean. That could explain it if it is only one year out - not when it is several though.
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My thoughts entirely Sillgen. Slightly worrying when you find more than 1 mistake, so which is incorrect the SFHG or the PRT? I think it calls for a visit to the Keep sometime to check the originals.
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Don't know when I found the following but it might be of interest to know that the marriage of Joseph Eastwood and Hannah Kinder took place in Yorkshire in 1757. So no possibility of them being the parents of John Eastwood born Mayfield, Sussex, c 1679 as quite a few people seem to think. Hope this helps a few people. If anyone wants the exact record just ask and I will quote it here.