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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: lynbee on Thursday 11 October 07 08:26 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am trying to find any descendants of Cyrus Joseph Wright & Emma Taylor. (both b. abt 1852)
My son has asked me to include his father's ancestors in his tree and as I have had no contact with his father for over 40 years, I am struggling to get very far at all.
If you are related, I would love to hear from you.
Blessings
Lyn
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Looks like thay married in Bury? must have moved out of Salford?
1874
WRIGHT Cyrus Joseph TAYLOR Emma Bury Register Office or Registrar Attended Bury RM/33/147
Migky ;)
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Thanks Migky.
I think that Emma may have been born in Bury, so that marriage is most likely.
They later lived in Salford. 1891 & 1901 census has them living in Broughton, Salford.
I am hoping that someone may be descended from them, as I am unsure if I am on the right track....need to sort of talk it through, if you know what I mean.
Thanks for your interest...it is much appreciated.
Blessings
Lyn
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Only some thing to think about but could this be poss his father or uncle?
Deaths Sep 1875 (>99%)
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WRIGHT Cyrus 64 Salford 8d 33
Migky ;)
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If I am on the right track, that could be Cyrus Joseph's father. Thanks.
Blessings
Lyn
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Do you have an address in salford for them? Icould poss look on the 1929 directory for you, ment for them ;D
Migky ;)
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I don't know where they are living in 1929. The address on the 1901 censu is hard to read, especially as I have no knowledge of the area.....I live in NZ.
It looks like 78 Gr Britin Rd, Lower Broughton (Census ref: RG13/3722 Vol 68 pg 7)
By 1929, the daughter Laura (if she is the right one) is married to Walter Stanley Carter. Their son, Ronald was born in Chorlton in 1924, so I assume that Ronald & Laura are living in Chorlton still in 1929.
Blessings
Lyn
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I don't know where they are living in 1929. The address on the 1901 censu is hard to read, especially as I have no knowledge of the area.....I live in NZ.
It looks like 78 Gr Britin Rd, Lower Broughton (Census ref: RG13/3722 Vol 68 pg 7)
By 1929, the daughter Laura (if she is the right one) is married to Walter Stanley Carter. Their son, Ronald was born in Chorlton in 1924, so I assume that Ronald & Laura are living in Chorlton still in 1929.
Blessings
Lyn
Whoops...hit the wrong button!! LOL!!!
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If you go to page 8 on that census it is "LOWER" not GT Britin
Migky ;)
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So it is!!! I just have page 7 saved to my computer, but I don't think that I looked at pg 8, or I would have remebered!! Duh!!!
Thanks.
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Sorry no sign of them on the 1927and 1929,or in the 1900/01 telephone books. I also looked at some old maps i have of Manchester/Salford (my eyes are sore now) but sad to say i could not find any combination of Lower Britin road, street, lane or ave :(
Migky ;)
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Thanks heaps Migky! I appreciate your efforts.
Just hope that someone else is looking for them.
Blessings
Lyn
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My guess would be Lower Broughton Street, Salford.
Liz
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I know where lower broughton road is and is on my maps to. Will look tomorrow for you
Migky ;)
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Hi Lyn,
Found this in the 1851 Salford Greengate
19 Thompson St
Cyrus Wright Lodger W 39 Engraver & Lithographic Jy/man Over Pever, Cheshire
Elizabeth Wright Lodger 9 Scholar Salford
Hope this helps
Regards, Dave
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This isn't the one you were looking for Lyn .... but I wonder if maybe a relation ... it's not what you'd call a common name !! it's a WW1 medal card that can be downloaded for 3 pounds 50 .... might like to keep him on the back burner !! :)
Medal card of Wright, Cyrus
Lincolnshire Regiment
49491
Private
Date
1914-1920
http://www.rootschat.com/links/021g/
Annie :)
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Here are the 2 Cyrus’s in 1861
RG9/2914/fo 48
15 Thompson St, Salford
occupied by C WRIGHT next door
17 Thompson St, Salford
Cyrus WRIGHT, head,m,50,L P Printer & Beer Seller, Cheshire
Ann WRIGHT, wife,55,Shropshire
Elizabeth D WRIGHT, dau,19,Salford
Alfred D WRIGHT, son,??,Mechanic,Salford
(age difficult to read, could be 18,17,15?)
Cyrus J WRIGHT, son,9,Salford
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Had a quick look at www.lancashirebmd.org.uk for possible marriages of Cyrus J's children. (1901 census has Fred, Florence C, Laura, Elizabeth E, Edgar)
1. Florence WRIGHT m Peter EDMOND at Church of the Ascension in 1910. The family were living in the parish of the Ascension in 1901 so she is a good possibility.
2. Laura WRIGHT married Wilfred AINSWORTH at Richmond Independent Chapel in 1918. Richmond Chapel was on Blackfriar's Rd, not far from Lower Broughton Road, so quite a likely candidate.
3. Elizabeth E WRIGHT married Ernest GODBERT at St Barnabas in 1915. St Barnabas was on Frederick Rd, also not far away, so a possibility.
There are several Fred/Frederick's so couldn't pick one out, and couldn't find an Edgar at all.
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From www.historicaldirectories.org
Slater's 1911 Directory of Manchester & Salford has Cyrus Joseph WRIGHT, Glass & China Dealer, at 78 Lower Broughton Rd.
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Cyrus must have died by 1929 and his son-in-law must have taken over the business
MIGKY ;)
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Thank you all so much for your responses. Sorry that I haven't been back....busy with visitors.
You have given me a lot more info for my notes & to ponder on.
However, I was hoping that this post might put me in contact with some descendants of this couple, as of a large number of possibles to fit in my son's tree, these seem the most likely, and I was hoping to save myself a fortune in certs, by making contact with someone who can confirm or discard my research.
Looks like I will need to spend up and hope.
Thanks again.
Blessings
Lyn
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Hi Lyn
Might just be worth a post on here
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/community/in_touch/
the paper has a wide circulation throughout Greater Manchester and the website is well visited.
Best wishes
Tony
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Thanks Tony. I will try that.
The problem is that I know that much of the census records for Lancs are missing/damaged and with the little info I have, this family is the only one that I can find that fits. But some doesn't seem to. And there are so many Wrights In Lancs that I am unsure if I am on the right track. And it is not made any easier by researching from downunder and having very little geographical knowledge of England.
Thanks heaps for your help.
Blessings
Lyn
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Hi Lyn,
worth a post to that site, nothing ventured, nothing gained ;) Also your lack of geographical knowledge is more than compensated for by some of the 'illustrious' names who have posted replies. The fonts of wisdom of all things Salford, Manchester, Salford and Lancashire are obviously there for you ;D ;D
Cheers
tony
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Hi Lyn,
worth a post to that site, nothing ventured, nothing gained ;) Also your lack of geographical knowledge is more than compensated for by some of the 'illustrious' names who have posted replies. The fonts of wisdom of all things Salford, Manchester, Salford and Lancashire are obviously there for you ;D ;D
Cheers
tony
Thanks Tony.....just working on the wording for the post....don't want it to be as ambiguous as my post here!! ;D
The expertise and friendliness of the peeps here is what brought me back to post on Roots Chat. ;)
Blessings
Lyn
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Hi Cyrus must have retired or died before 1927 As his son-in-law in charge of the shop then? Here he is plus a list of other Godbert's from 1927.
Migky ;)
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Here is a map of Lower Broughton Road .
have marked the road with red dots for you.
Migky ;)
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Here is ernest's rank and service number, you should now be able to get his Medal card and his army record with these. They are taken for the Absen voters list fom 1918 Salford. This must also be a brother-in-law? Thes are people who lived on Lower broughton lane then. there home is number 78.
Migky ;)
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I also found two other Wright's on the absent voters list and living on Lower broughtotn Road. More for you to link :) and to get there army records if you want?
Migky ;)
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Here are some old photos of L/Broughton road.
Migky ;)
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Last one ;D ;D ;D I wonder did any of the "wright " side of the family Join the police force at some time back? I have records of one or two from Manchester/Salford if you would like them?
Migky ;)
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Migky, those pics & map are great!! Thanks for all the info. I don't have time to even look at it properly at the mo...got to go in a minute...but want to save it all, so please don't remove any of it just yet!!!
Thanks heaps
Blessings
Lyn
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Well in 1895 they did have the shop, this family seem to be running it?
Migky ;)
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I also found two other Wright's on the absent voters list and living on Lower broughtotn Road. More for you to link :) and to get there army records if you want?
Migky ;)
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Did you manage to conect this "Wright" family to yours? here is the "Wright" family at that same address in 1895?
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Migky ;)
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Migky ;)
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I hope that this reaches Lynbee of NZ as I have information about Wright and Taylor of Salford. I am a grandson of Cyrus Joseph Wright and have been researching the family for two years. Please get in touch.
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Hi Lyn
Further to my posting of yesterday,and re-reading your thread on the Wrights of Salford, I can confirm that you had my Wright family at Lower Broughton Road. Annie married Richard Forrester, Fred married Edith Booth, Florence married James Willie Sharples, Elizabeth married Ernest Godbert, Laura marrid Wilfred Ainsworth and Edgar (my father) married Esther Bate. So some of your replies in 2007 hit the mark.
I'd Love to know where your family fits in as I have no knowledge of New Zealand Connections!
Hope this reaches you.
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Hi Dave,
I have just sent you a PM. Hope you are still about.
Regards
Lyn
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Hi lynbee i hope you get this, i have info on james wallace born 1826
my username is lizz911 if u get this
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Hello
i am trying to get in touch with poster Migky who had information on my family a year or so ago.
He had contacts re. Salford.
I followed up his comments re the family which were to help Lynbee of NZ, but the above family connection was not hers. But it is MINE!!
(I was able to point Lynbee in the right direction)
How can I get in touch?
Dave321
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Hi Dave
I've sent Migky a PM, so that he'll look at this topic. I think now you have 3 postings you could have sent him a PM yourself, but it doesn't matter.
Lizzie
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Cheers Lizzie :)
Hi Dave , what is it you think i might help you with?
Migky ;)
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Hi
Lynbee was onto the wrong Laura Wright and I have now pointed her in the right direction.
However I notice that you referred to Absent Voters Records giving Service numbers during WW1. I would be very grateful if you could help with this.
I have Ernest Godbert, son in law of Cyrus Joseph Wright and I have Fred or Frederick Wright, son of CJW. Both served in WW1 and I have no information on them.
CJW was my g/father and i have my father Edgar's war record.
I appreciate your help.
Incidentally I was born in Manchester and brought up in Middleton but now live iin Ripon.
Dave321
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Hi
I have Ernest Godbert, son in law of Cyrus Joseph Wright and I have Fred or Frederick Wright, son of CJW. Both served in WW1 and I have no information on them.
Incidentally I was born in Manchester and brought up in Middleton but now live iin Ripon.
Dave321
So what did you do that was so bad they shipped you off to Ripon ;D
I would need a few more details to stand a chance of finding anything?
Did spot a Fred wright who was an engraver born 1879 living at 13 Vincent street Broughton on the 1913 directory but does not seem to show up on the 1918 AVL?
He married an Edith Booth in Salford 1903, but i need to know this is your man befor i can look further? Just a name is just to hard to look for.
Not had chance and won't get chance tonight to look for Ernest, will do tomorrow if more detail from you.
Migky ;)
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By the way, how do you know they both served WW1?
Migky ;)
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I'm guilty of marrying a Yorkshire Lass!
The Fred you mention(ed) is my uncle. He was married to Edith Booth. I know he was an engraver and later had a newsagents in Cromwell Rd. He was a more than competant cornet player and played cornet in the Besses O' The Barn Band.
I know very little else but am writing a family history and he has just over half a page at present!
I understand that he and Ernest Godbert both served in WW1 but I am not 100% certain.
You had some info you sent to Lynbee removed from site for copyright reasons, otherwise I might have the information I am looking for!
I can supply my email address if you need it.
Regards
dave
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Further info
Fred lived at 15 Vincent St in 1911 Census. Born 1879 , lived at 5 Cross ST in 1881, and 1891 then moved with family to 78Lower broughton Rd. Married in 1903 and had 2 children in 1904 and 1908 who i believe never married
The shop was a newsagents at 136 Cromwell Rd. Fred passed away in 1958.
Sorry I have nothing else.
Dave
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My email address is on my profile
Not sure if that is a good enough excuse for going over to the dark side ;D (Ripon)
Migky ;)
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It was just if you wanted to send any images as you did to NZ. But let me know.
Ernest Godbert came from a public house familly and later ran the Red Lion in Prestwich. married Elizabeth Ellen Wright in 1915 in Salford and had three children Donald, Jack and Marjorie.
They retired to Cleveleys.
Dave
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Fred at the 136 Cromwell road address 1927.
Migky ;)
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Hi
Thank you for that.
Dave
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There is a photo of Fred Wright on this web page and think if you contact them, you maybe able to get a larger print of it and more info on his time with the band.
Click the link and go to the bottom of the page, he is on the second row, third man in.
Click for Fred Wright (http://www.besses.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=50&Itemid=74)
Migky ;)
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It was just if you wanted to send any images as you did to NZ. But let me know.
Ernest Godbert came from a public house familly and later ran the Red Lion in Prestwich. married Elizabeth Ellen Wright in 1915 in Salford and had three children Donald, Jack and Marjorie.
They retired to Cleveleys.
Dave
Sorry i wont be sending any photos as they were copy written and would take me a long time to find them all, scan them and then email them to you.
What address do you have for Ernest when he married and the same for his wife Elizabeth?
Ernest is shown as a glass & china dealer at 78 lower Broughton road Salford 1927.
Migky ;)
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1911 directory still show John Godbert at the Clarance hotel, 125 Whit Lane , Pendleton. Salford.
So would presume the rest of the family were also living there then.
Migky ;)
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Looks like Ernest Godbert married into the Wright family business and maybe took over it and the family home. The 78 Lower broughton roadd address 1913 directory show Cyrus Joseph Wright as galss & china dealer.
Migky ;)
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Save your breath, it looks like i am quicker than you ;D
Ok, found Ernest on the 1918 AVL at the 125 Whit lane address
It gives him as Private 117765 MT/ ASC ( Army service corps )
There is a medal card indext for him but this one shows service number as DM2/ 1177665 but is the same man.
There does not seem to be any service or pension record that survived for him.
You can if you have ancestry, download his medal card off that site. If not you can get a copy for £2 from this link. Click for Ernest Medal card index (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=3527571&queryType=1&resultcount=1)
I did also find a medal card and service pension records for Frank (Ernest brother) Godbert.
Fred Godbert, public school battalion, 20th Royal Fusiliers.
Private 4877.
Shows his next of kin address as the 125 Whit lane and his father is named as is a Bertha at the same address.
There are some 13 pages in the file.
Again you can get a copy of the medal card indext from either ancestry or this link Click here for Frank's medal card indext (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=3527572&queryType=1&resultcount=1)
Frank was invalided out of the army and also received the Silver war badge.
Migky ;)
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Well i didn't find your Fred Wright but this turned up on the 1918 AVL for Salford North.
At 78 Lower Broughton road.
Edgar Wright telegraphist, Marconi services, Liverpool.
Ernest Godbert M2/117665. Private 28th Ord. Model workshop. (M7)
Migky ;)
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Brilliant I have downloaded the photo of Frred WRIGHT in thr Besses band
I would still like to knpw if he served in the war if there is a way of fimding out. The site for finding service records has so many Frsd Wrights.
I will come back to you later if I may ondates and addresses. We have been househunting today. Edgar Wright is my father. He served in the merchant Navy.
Thank you so much for your help.
Regards
Dave
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I would contact Besses band and see if you can purchase a larger print of that photo?
Have you Edgar's navy records? You can get them from the national archives.
Click for Merchant navy records (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/merchantseaman1858-1917.htm)
You will have to search through all the Fred Wright records on either Ancestry or at the national archives. Don't for get many records no longer exist and have been lost, also you may have to search with just the surname as not all are listed with both first & surname. Good luck.
Migky ;)
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To dave321. I'm called Elizabeth Morton but was Godbert before! Ernest was my grandad and his son Jack is my dad! I have my grandad's medals from ww1!
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Hi, my name is Liz morton but I was Godbert before I married! Ernest Godbert was my granddad and his son jack was my dad. Marjorie is the only one alive and she now lives in Australia. It would be great if you could get in touch.
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Hi Lizz08
Dave321 hasn't been on Rootschat for about 3 years but if his email address is still the same, he should get a message saying that you have posted.
Heather
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Hi Lizz08.
I have just found this thread back to 2007. I am one of the family too.
Dave321 died in May 2021 and Marjorie Godbert died in January 2021. You may now have what you were looking for from other sources. If not then please contact me as I think I have most of it sorted out.
The information here re Florence Christina Wright's marriage is not all correct and I have clarification on Cyrus and his son, Cyrus Joseph.
Oz.