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Hi,
Im a scottish researcher chasing up mainly Scottish ancestors however it was family rumour that my paternal line came from cornwall (miners moving up to the scottish coal fields). This has not been the case so far however my Gr x2 Grandmother is recorded as English in the 1891 Census. Her name is Mary-Ann Stephens, born about 1857 ish to Nicholas and Anne ***** and I am presuming this is where the family rumour came from.
Not being familiar with the English records, where would be the best place to start tracing Mary-Ann
Cheers
Bry-1
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Welcome to Cornwall Bry-1,
If your ancestors came from Cornwall you will be very lucky as much is available. ;D
I would suggest a good place to start is with the census which is available free online as are many parish records once you know where in Cornwall your ancestors came from.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,144624.0.html
Cheers Kris :D
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Yes agree we are lucky to have cornish roots, because researching is so much easier :)
Try entering Stephens at the free COCP census site to start with - many years complete
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kayhin/search.html
238 Mary Stephens, you can narrow down "Mary A Stephens" and "Mary Ann Stephens"
Searching for Nicholas may be easier pre 1861
A lot of records are at a joint database
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/searchdb.php?dbname=baptisms
Searching also at free bmd
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl for cornwall results, also gives you some possible areas to follow up.
If you go to cornwall genuki
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Cornwall/ then the parish you want, you will quickly get to available online records also if there is an OPC (volunteer) who will help you with the parish they are gathering records for
Bye
Althea
At Free bmd
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Hi all :)
I found this in 1861
St Agnes, Cornwall
Nicholas Stephens head mar 27 tin miner
Ann wife mar 27
William son 5 scholar
MARY A dau 3
Sarah dau 2 months
all born in St Agnes, Cornwall
1851:
St Agnes, cornwall
Ann Stephens head wid 59
Stephen son unm 27 tin miner
Susan dau 22 unm work at the mine
John son 20 unm tin miner
NICHOLAS son unm 17 tin miner
Elizabeth dau unm 13 at home
all born St agnes
there is a marriage between Nicholas Stephens and either ANN BARKLE or ANN PETERS dec q 1854, Truro
vol 5c pg 339
deb
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here is 1841.... Family of Nicholas Stephens , father of Mary ann Stephens b c 1858.
St Agnes, Cornwall
Chapel Coombe
Nicholas Stephens 49 copper miner
Ann Stephens
Stephen Stevens 15 copper miner
Mary Stephens 14
John Stephens 10
NICHOLAS STEPHENS 7
Elizabeth Stephens 3
James Stephens 3 months
all born in county
next door to them is;
Ann Stephens 89? ind
Susan Stephens 12
on IGI there is a submitted entry for this marriage~
Nicholas STEPHENS to Ann WEBB
20 Oct 1823
St Agnes near Truro
deb :)
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Hi again
I was trying to figure out which Ann Nicholas Stephens married ...
on the page were the two Anns .... BARKLE and PETERS
then 2 men ...Nicholas STEPHENS and William MCADAM
The wife of Nicholas, in 1861 states that she was born in ST AGNES, Cornwall circa 1834.
I found an Anne MCADAMS who states , also in 1861 census , that she was born TRURO circa 1823.
In 1851 ...I find an ANN BARKLA (sic) living in St Agnes with her parents (James and Hannah?) aged 18, she works in the mine.
In 1851..There is an ANN PETERS b c 1823 who is married ...I wonder if this could be the Ann who married William MCADAM ...thus leaving Ann BARKLE/A to be the wife of Nicholas , mother of Mary Ann b 1858.
deb
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Thanks all, especially to deb usa.
Nicholas was married to Ann barkle (Barcel) I have never quite managed to decipher her name from the various statuary documents downloaded from Scotlandspeople.gov.
The latest document downloaded yesterday for the birth of a daughter in 1873 details their marriage in March 22 1855 in Truro.
Can I ask where you found the information?
Thanks again
bry-l
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Did you mean where was 1851 census
96,Mingoose,James Barkla,Head,M,51,,Copper Miner,St Agnes Cornwall,,
,,Honour Barkla,Wife,M,,49,,St Agnes Cornwall,,
,,James Barkla,Son,U,24,,,St Agnes Cornwall,,
,,Ann Barkla,Dau,U,,18,Work At Mine,St Agnes Cornwall,,
,,Mary Barkla,Dau,U,,16,Work At Mine,St Agnes Cornwall,,
Folio 664 Page 27
,,Henry Barkla,Son,,13,,At Home,St Agnes Cornwall,,
,,Samuel Barkla,Son,,11,,At Home,St Agnes Cornwall,,
,,Catharine Barkla,Dau,,,9,At Home,St Agnes Cornwall,,
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kayhin/51909f.html
Go to this page, click on year and district to look in detail or enter name in search boc with year/s required
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kayhin/cocp.html
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Hi again,
I have been going through the information most gratefully received and have hit a snag.
Everything seems plausible until the 1841 census which details the parents of Nicholas as Nicholas & Ann.
On the 1913 statuary death record for Nicholas, his grandson has provided these as John (a farmer) and Maria (possibly) with no known surname.
Aaaagh - its pull my hair out time again - was the grandson having a guess or is the census information following the wrong family?
Cheers
Bry-l
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Hi
deb, you have got me digging again (pardon the pun) and I have finally located the death register for Ann Barkle ?? in 1899, parents being (possibly Jasiah & Honey Tonkin --- the writting is worse than mine) so it looks like we are both on the same tracks. Thanks again.
bry-l
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Hi Bry
I have been looking for a while for the Barkla Family in 1841 ....at last I have found them; they were transcribed under "BARKELL" and enumerator wrote them down as BARKELE ;D
1841
St Agnes
JONAS Barkele (sic) 40 tin miner
Honnor " 40
John " 15 Tin Miner
Thomas " 15 tin miner
James " 14 tin miner
William " 13 tin miner
Isaac " 11 tin miner
ANN " 8 ........................she married Nicholas Stephens
Mary " 6
Henery " 4
Samuel " 2
all born in county
IGI has this extracted marriage:
Jonas BARKLA to Honor TONKIN
5 july 1823
St Agnes near Truro
so the Jasiah and Honey Tonkin is almost a match LOL
deb :)
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just a bit more ...
IGI extracted
Birth:
Honor TONKIN
13 June 1802
St Agnes near Truro
parents; John TONKIN and Ann
you were also not sure about Nicholas Stephens parentage:
This is also from IGI...extracted info
Nicholas STEPHENS
chr: 4 feb 1835
St Agnes near Truro
parents ; Nicholas Stephens and Ann
I posted their marriage previously Nicholas Stephens = Ann Webb
deb:)
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Hi,
I have STEPHENS from Cornwall in my tree maybe they will connect with yours:~
Thomas Stevens b. 1616 m. Alice b. 1620
son John b. 1642 m. Mary Carter b. 1640 berage 05.02.1676
son Henry b. 1681 m. Margaret Scoller b.1681 breage 04.02.1709
son Jon b. 1710 m. Hezibah Rowe b. 1697 Gulval 1730
son James Stephens b.1740 m. Mary, James was buried 4th October 1809 St Enoder and Mary 1800 St Enoder)
children of James (1740-1809) & Mary(1740 c. - 1800)
James 1759-1848 m. Hannah Brea
John 1760-1787 m. Christina Woon ? (nned to check dates)
Richard 1766- m. Joan Mullies c. 1770
Thomas 1767-1782 (need to check dates got a possible partner Mary Harvey)
Elizabeth 1768 m. Robert Pallamounter
William 1770 - m. Cathrine Hicks (1766-1796)
Ann 1776 - m. Hugh Bullock
Francis 1778-1778 St Enoder
Richard Stepehsn & Joan Mullies children:
Ann 1792
Richard 1793 m. Ann ? children Frances & Constance
John 1796
Elizabeth 1797
James 1799 (poss. buried 25.05.1862 Breage) m. Susanna Williams, son Charles 1830-1904
Jennifer 1800
Mary 1802
William 1805
Dorcas 1806 m. Stephen Vinton & then Richard Bennett
Constance 1810
Thomas 1812
Francis 1814
i do need to verify a couple of things with these guys in my tree such as dates but basically the info. is as above.
Toni
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Hi again
Re; Honor Tonkin b c 1802, parents; John and Ann Tonkin
here is a possible marriage for her Parents
St Agnes near Truro
John Tonkin to Ann Silvester
28 june 1793
They have many kids ... it seems , starting in Dec 1793 and ending in 1810
deb :)
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Thanks all,
back to the parentage of Nicholas, are they John & Maria?? or Nicholas & Ann.
I know from a child born in 1873 that Nicholas married Ann on 22/03/1855 in Truro. Scottish statuary records from that date detail the bride & grooms parents. was is similar in England and if so where would I find cpoies of the records?
Cheers
Bry-l
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Hi Bry
You can order Nicholas Stephens and Ann Barkla's marriage cert online ...
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
You will need the details of their marriage ... Dec quarter 1854, Truro, Cornwall vol 5c pg 339
I think That Nicholas' parents were definitely Nicholas and Ann. I cannot find a Nicholas Stpehens b c 1834 with parents John and Maria in 1841.
let us know what the cert reveals ... :)
deb
PS: I have searched the complete and partial marriage index for Nicholas Stephens/Stevens for the Mar q 1855 (the date you gave for the marriage ) and there is none ... dec q 1854 is when they were married.
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Thanks again ;),
I have just emailed the request, I will let you know if there is any useful information forthcoming.
Cheers
Bry-l
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Hi Deb,
It looks as if Nicholas was a bit of a character. Not only has he moved his family 500 odd miles from cornwall to Midlothian, but, according to the 1881 Census, his wife Ann states that he is in America.
I know he is in Scotland in 1901 from the census return and his subsequent demise in 1913 so how would I find out if he actually went to America (there are two possibilities on "Familysearch" of English miners) He had a child in Scotland in 1873 so I presume he would have sailed from a Scottish port sometime between 1873 & 1880.
Any advice?
Bry
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hi Bry
I will try to find out about the America bit ...have you found the family in 1891. When do you first find them in Scotland ? I am assuming there were there in 1871 as I have not been able to find them in 1871 on the UK census ...
Also just a note ...I have been on National Archives and put in Stephens, St Agnes Cornwall ...a few things pop up ... also on Ancestry there are two WW1 records for BARKLA/BARKELL/BARKLE who were born in St Agnes Cornwall.
I will look further
deb :)
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Hi Deb,
Yes I have Nicholas & Ann in 1891. They are staying with their married daughter in Lasswade, Midlothian. I cannot locate the family in 1871, the earliest I have them in Scotland is the birth of daughter Susan in 1873.
Ann is at the same address in 1881 (without Nicholas) as in 1891
Cheers
Bry
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Hi Bry
I posted a message last night and it has disappeared :-\
nicholas and family are definitely not in Cornwall in 1871, BUT I have found quite a few Stephens/ Stevens in WALES .... all born St Agnes. There is a very interesting family ... Nicholas, Ann, William, Mary A, Bessie and sarah ... I wonder ....
Do you have access or would you like me to post the details?
deb :)
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Deb,
Please please post the details.
Thanks
Bry
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Hi Bry
This is what I found in WALES
1871
Minera, Bersham, Denbighshire wales (RD~ Wrexham)
Williams Square
Nicholas STEVENS head mar 36 lead miner b St Agnes
Ann wife mar 36 b St Agnes
William J son unm 14 lead washer b St Agnes
Mary A dau unm 10 scholar b St Agnes
Bessy dau 8 scholar b St Agnes
Sarah J dau 1 b Denbigh, Bersham
This is what we had in 1861 in Cornwall....Hi all :)
St Agnes, Cornwall
Nicholas Stephens head mar 27 tin miner
Ann wife mar 27
William son 5 scholar
MARY A dau 3
Sarah dau 2 months
all born in St Agnes, Cornwall
deb
Do these children add up with what you have in 1881 and 1891 in Scotland ...let me know . Also I will check to see if Sarah , who is 2months in 1861, died or is she with someone else?
deb :)
ps I will find all the other Stephens/Stevens b St Agnes ... I think they are siblings or definitely relatives of Nicholas .
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Hi Deb and Byr-l
Just been reading the last page of this thread. Interesting as there was quite an influx of miners from Cornwall to the North Wales coalfield at that time. A range of minerals were mined in the Minera area. Bersham became mainly coal mining.
Gadget :)
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Hi Gadget ;D
thanks for that. I wonder why they left Cornwall in the first place though? Tin Mining was big there ...maybe it was the offer of more pay/better conditions?
deb:)
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I think there might have been a decline at some point (some bells are ringing from when I lived down there) and possibly the chance of more money.
Some of my rellies worked at Bersham :)
Did you say where in Scotland they were - was it a coalfield area?
Gadget
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Not sure what was happening in Scotland , but Nicholas went to America for a bit too ... I wonder if that was to the gold fields ... unfortunately I don't have USA access so I am going to ask my cousin for help with that side ...
Yes I have Nicholas & Ann in 1891. They are staying with their married daughter in Lasswade, Midlothian. I cannot locate the family in 1871, the earliest I have them in Scotland is the birth of daughter Susan in 1873.
Ann is at the same address in 1881 (without Nicholas) as in 1891
deb
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I've found this:
1866-Financial crises, collapse of copper mining, and emigration of miners. The main reason for this was due to competition from cheaper foreign ores, which caused the price of copper and zinc to drop below production costs.
From: http://homepages.tesco.net/~k.wasley/Tinmines.htm
However it does say that half world's tin was produced in Cornwall by 1870 :-\
Gadget
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Hi Gadget / Deb
Lasswade in Midlothian is a coal / shale /iron ore mining area and Nicholas worked as a coal miner when he was in the area.
At work at the moment so don't have all the details however, from the 1881 & 1891 census records there is a daughter Sarah J. dob 1870 ish - no sign of Sarah from the 1861 census though
Bry
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hi
was Sarah J, b 1870ish , born in Wales ...do you recall?
deb
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The North Wales BMD has a Sarah Jane Stephens, Wrexham (included Bersham), 1870. Local ref is WM/035/88.
The GRO would give the quarter but the local one can be obtained from Wrexham:
http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/births.html
It's my home territory 8)
Gadget :)
GRO Ref:
Wrexham, March q, 1870, vol 11b, Page 340
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;D
Thanks Gadget ... I am going to try and find all the Stephens b St Agnes, Cornwall in Wales in 1871 ...I am sure they are related to Bry's Nicholas Stephens....
Hopefully Bry's 1881/91 Scottish census records will add up to the Cornish and Welsh ones... off to find out what happened to Sarah b 1860/1 St agnes
deb :)
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Okay
I found a birth for BESSY Stephens (8 yrs in 1871, living in Wales)
Bessy Stephens
June q 1863, truro
Vol 5c pg 185
I cannot find a suitable birth for Sarah b 1861 ...she was 2 months in 1861 census...
deb
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::) ::) ::)
Deb
is this the Bessy that you found earlier:
Hi Bry
This is what I found in WALES
1871
Minera, Bersham, Denbighshire wales (RD~ Wrexham)
Williams Square
Nicholas STEVENS head mar 36 lead miner b St Agnes
Ann wife mar 36 b St Agnes
William J son unm 14 lead washer b St Agnes
Mary A dau unm 10 scholar b St Agnes
Bessy dau 8 scholar b St Agnes
Sarah J dau 1 b Denbigh, Bersham
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Yep Gadget
If they are the right family ...In 1861 in St Agnes Nicholas and Ann had 3 kids ... William, Mary Ann, and Sarah (2 months)
1871 In Wales ..they have William (right age), Mary Ann (off by 2 or 3 years), BESSY and another SARAH who is 1 ... have to find the death of Sarah (2 months in 1861)
Hope I am making sense :-\
deb
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oops - it's Sarah not Bessy!
It might be that she died on the way to North Wales and that's a difficult one to find (probably impossible) if she did :-\
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Nicholas and Ann had to have made their way to Wales after 1863 when Bessy was born .... is there a death of a Sarah b c 1861 in Wales ?? The only death for a Sarah Stephens is March 1865 St Germans, Cornwall.
we need to find Sarah's death .... :'(
deb
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Sorry Deb - I modified my last post - she could have died anywhere on the way.
The Welsh BMDs are with the English ones. They could have gone by train (say via Bristol) or road or even canal :-\
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there's the death of a Sarah Stephens, Ruabon, (Wrexham RD and close to Bersham) in 1869 showing on the North Wales BMDs.
It's a possible,
Local ref - Rbn/21/56
Gadget
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That looks like the likely one Gadget ...
Bry ...will have to confirm all of this with the 1881 and 1891 census details ... there was supposedly another child b c 1873 in Scotland ... hopefully bry's details of this family, have a child , Sarah J, b in Wales ...
deb ;D
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The Stephens that I've got in Lasswade, Scotland on the 1881 don't tie in with any of the details here except son William:
691 Ed 9 Page 18 - Lasswade, Midlothian
William Stephens, hd, 24, coal miner, b. England
Jane, wife, 24, b. Lasswade
Nicholae, 2, b. Lasswade
Alexander L, 4 mths, b. Lasswade
Gadget
No deaths for Nicholas 1871-1881 in the North Wales BMDs
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Gadget
Can you find Nicholas and Ann ... below
Hi Deb,
Yes I have Nicholas & Ann in 1891. They are staying with their married daughter in Lasswade, Midlothian. I cannot locate the family in 1871, the earliest I have them in Scotland is the birth of daughter Susan in 1873.
Ann is at the same address in 1881 (without Nicholas) as in 1891
Cheers
Bry
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They're living with Sarah Jane - their daughter, now married to a John Cochrane in 1891 - both aged 58
20 Ramsay Square, Lesswade 691 Ed 10 page 25
I'll have another look but I have to go soon.
Gadget
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Yes in 1881 they are living at 20 Ramsay Square - 691 Ed 9 Page 21
Ann 47, Sarah, 11 and a John Williams, boarder .
i don't see Nicholas either Wales or Scotland at the moment.
Gadget
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Thanks Gadget
Nicholas is supposedly in the USA ...not sure where though
I think the only way to confirm all of the children (except William and Mary Ann , who were with their parents in 1861, cornwall) is for Bry to order birth certs of Bessy (truro 1863) and Sarah J (1870 , Wales ).
deb
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Deb
I might send a PM to my mate Paul about the Ruabon death - he might be able to check the parish register! It could save a certificate purchase :)
Gadget :)
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Deb & Gadget.
Does this site award medals? If so, you two will definitely receive my nomination for your assistance above and beyond what ever could be expected.
The information about Nicholas being in America came from the 1881 British Census (The Mormon Disk set). there are two possibilities on the 1880 American census (On Familysearch.org)
in 1891 Nicholas & Ann are with their daughter Sarah J. in Lasswade. The 1891 & 1881 census states she is English however the information you have found on the 1871 census must mean this is the same family.
Of their siblings, William & Mary Ann made it from Cornwall to Scotland. Sarah (1861) does not appear to have made it to 1871, another Sarah J. (1870) has been born, either in England or Wales and survived as far as the 1891 census. Finally Susan was born in 1873 but died in 1878.
Bessy (1863) in new to me.
I will try and delve a bit further. I presume the information you have available is through subscription sites?, if so what is the best one to look at. In Scotland the information is all available through the government assisted site Scotlandspeople .gov.uk
Again thanks for the assists, any further pointers would be most welcome.
Bry
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Hi Bry :)
Happy to help out.
The Welsh info initially came from the North Wales BMD site which i like to promote (all done by volunteers who know the area - I did some of the transcriptions). It can be accessed via:
http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/bmd_welcome.html
I have PMed a friend and member of rootschat to check out the birth of Sarah Jane and the death of the other Sarah in the Ruabon/Wrexham area.
Interested in this thread because I grew up in the Wrexham area and lived in Plymouth for 20 years and then moved to Scotland, so your family are a bit like me!
Oh, I did live in Canada for a while and have ancestors there and in the States ;D
Gadget
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Hi Gadget ...you world-wide traveller you ;D
Hi Bry ...glad to help , actually love to help :D
Bessy Stephens b 1863 ...is proving to be elusive. She is born in St Agnes 1863, moves to Wales and is 8 in 1871... cannot find her again...she may have married but I can't see it. I am looking for her as BessY...as opposed to BessIE (not that I am ruling bessIE out) , but they seem to have stuck with the "Y" as in her birth reg and when found in 1871, Wales.
Bry ... Do you want the other Stephens Family b St Agnes who are living in Wales.?..also are you interested in following your Barkla/e people back and forward ...let us know...hee hee then we have to follow the TONKINS ooo and don't forget the Webbs ...LOL :o ;D
deb :)
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Deb,
The more info the better, thanks again
Bry
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Deb
I might send a PM to my mate Paul about the Ruabon death - he might be able to check the parish register! It could save a certificate purchase :)
Gadget :)
I looked for the burial 1869 and the baptism 1870 in Wrexham, Ruabon, Bersham, Minera, Rhosymedre and Gresford. Couldn't see a Sarah or Sarah Jane Stephens (Stevens).
Paul :)
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Hi Paul
Thanks for looking ... we all appreciate it ;D
deb :)
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Paul,
As Deb, thanks for the time and effort
Bry
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Hi Deb, Bry.
If you give Gadget time to think about it I'm sure I'll soon be looking somewhere else ;D
Paul.
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Thanks Paul :)
I'm thinking now that they possibly might have been non-conformists. St Austell miners, Bersham and the Midlothian coal mines had a pretty high percentage. This would mean that there would be no baptism in the C of. A bit iffy about the burial though - I'm not sure if there were non-conformist graveyards in that area :-\
It might be worth checking where daughter Sarah J married John Cochrane (between 1881-189) on Scotlands people. It might say 'according to the Forms of xyz church' and give us a clue.
Gadget
Added - it was Church of Scotland, 30 Sept 1887 at Lasswade. Ann's maiden name down as what looks like Burkle - not very clear :(
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Gadget,
Interesting to note her stated age as 19 - a wee white lie, possibly as she may have been in the family way with Robert. her death in 1946 confirms a birth circa 1870
Bry
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Bry
Did they all go to America ordid any of them remain in Scotland?
I'm thinking of the lovely Scottish death certs :)
Gadget
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Gadget,
The 1881 Census said that Nicholas went to the US (alone) however he must have returned as I have him in the 1891 census & then his death in 1913, Ann (wife) died in Loanhead in 1899, Mary Ann died 1931 in Loanhead & Sarah Jane 1946 in Motherwell. I have still to track William James's death and to find out what happened to Sarah (dob 1861 - poss d1869 see earlier reply) & Bessy.
Mary Ann was my Gr x 2 Grandmother, she married Francis Young in 1876
Cheers
Bry
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Yep, Bry
I did look at the various Scottish censuses yesterday and told Deb about them (see above). We've been looking for the births and deaths of the two Sarah's since then. Bessy may have died on the way north from Cornwall :-\
Gadget
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Hi Again,
Have just received the copy marriage certificate of Nicholas to Ann in October 1854.
Both are 21, Ann's surname, and of her father Jonas looks more like Baiklo. Do you know if this is a recognised surname?
Cheers
Bry
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Hi Bry
Just putting that surname into the 1841 census and IGI...come up with nothing ...The closest I can find is a Geroge (sic) Bickle b Art Hill , Cornwall , on vessels Scotland in 1861... never heard of a place called Art Hill LOL
I am sure that Ann's surname has been mistranscribed quite often...see below ... I am sure that it must be Barkla as this seems like a far more common name in Cornwall. Also the Cornish accent may play a large roll in it being mispelled ;D
(I had an Amelia Carnarton ,b Cornwall, who name was spelled Knoriton on her marriage cert LOL )
Hi Bry
I have been looking for a while for the Barkla Family in 1841 ....at last I have found them; they were transcribed under "BARKELL" and enumerator wrote them down as BARKELE ;D
1841
St Agnes
JONAS Barkele (sic) 40 tin miner
Honnor " 40
John " 15 Tin Miner
Thomas " 15 tin miner
James " 14 tin miner
William " 13 tin miner
Isaac " 11 tin miner
ANN " 8 ........................she married Nicholas Stephens
Mary " 6
Henery " 4
Samuel " 2
all born in county
IGI has this extracted marriage:
Jonas BARKLA to Honor TONKIN
5 july 1823
St Agnes near Truro
deb :)
Maybe the way to go is to find a birth record of one of Ann Stephen nee Barkla's siblings where it would show Jonas' surname .
What do you think ?
deb :)
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Hi again Bry
This may be one ... birth reg
Henry Barkla
Sept q 1837 Truro
Vol 9 pg 193
They also had a Samuel aged 2 in 1841
I cannot find a Samuel Barkla b 1839 but there is a Samuel Barklus Sept q 1839, Truro
vol 9 pg 266
I checked for a Barklus in 1841 and for a death of a Samuel Barklus... no matches .
deb :)
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BRy
What was Nicholas' dad called ..... did we have the right parents for him ?
looking into the 1881 census for USA
deb
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Hi Deb,
Found the following on IGI
John 25/12/23, Thomas 26/03/26, Isaac 26/12/32, Ann 23/07/33, Mary 17/09/35, Henry 05/08/37, Samual 19/08/39, Sarah Catherine 12/08/41 & Richard 29/09/45
As you said Barkla seems to be the recognised surname (although it appears local to Cornwall in this period).
Bry
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Deb,
You were right, the father is Nicholas who was a miner. Address appears to be Luay - St. Agnes.
Bry
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Hi Bry
Back again ... something funky happened with my computer ...everything okay now :)
I wonder if their address on marriage was 'Quay" ?
i also asked my friends for help on the USA info ... This is what they came up with...
Nicholas Stephens
Date of Arrival~ 12 april 1880
Estimated birth year~ abt 1833
Age ~ 47
male
occupation~ MINER
Port of departure~ Glasgow Scotland; Moville Ireland
Place of origin~ Scotland
Nationality~ Scottish ............................... This is the only thing that is off :-\
ship~ Circassia
Port of Arrival ~ New York
There was also this...
1880 census
Nicholas SteVens
40 years
Nationality~ English
Father~ English
Mother~ English
occ~ works in mine
Status~ married
Home in 1880~ Randolph, Morris, New Jersey
Those were the only two ....
Unfortunately the US 1890 census records were destroyed by fire .. :-\ :'(
deb
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I am a descendant of Nicholas Stevens (Stephens) and Ann Barkla (Barkle). They are my 3rd great grandparents
Their daughter Mary Anne Stevens (1858-1931) married Francis Young (1856-1895) in October 1876.
The family probably moved north to the Lothians to work in the coal mines. Frances was born in Gladsmuir East Lothian.
Perhaps Nicholas was a mining engineer and his skills were sought after abroad?
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Hi Kenbro, Snap, I'm a descendant of Francis & Mary Anne, (I'm a Young)
Nicholas came back to Scotland and eventually died in Midlothian in 1913
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Hi
Isabella Young (1882), daughter of Francis and Mary Anne, was my great granny. She was married to William John Grant (1882)
One of their sons John Young Grant (1914) was my granddad. My mum was Mary Grant (1940).
And I'm a Kennedy. Small world. We must be related in some way.
I've been reading about Nicholas Stevens and for some reason I had his death as 1899 so I'm intrigued to find out that he spent time in the US. I've not finished the "chat" yet so I'll return to it tomorrow.
Great to hear from you
Anne
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Kenbro, pm me and I'll give you details on Nicholas's death
Cheers
bry-l
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:o Arghhhhhhhh
Sorry Bry-1 I've tried to pm you and it says you are offline and that you don't exist.
Not my morning so far.
I'm really new to this site so I'm probably doing something wrong, sorry.
I would like to hear about Nicholas Stevens death.
Anne
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Hi there. Very interesting read.
Ann Barkla (or Barkle) b1833 and married Nicholas Stevens, was my gg Grandfathers sister. His name was Samuel b1939 who sadly who died age 25. Nice meeting you cuzzies!
Craig
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Nicholas stephens is my 4th great grandfather. I have followed the lineage through ancestry. My maiden name is stephens as well. His marriage to mary crowgey. Their son joseph, to his son with annie collins, charles. To charles and mary goullewtt and their son frank. To his and his wife Edith wilsons son, wesley stephens who is my grandfather on my fathers side