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I would be grateful for any details re a Charles JUDGE and his family, born Tenterden, Kent and would be aged 14 or 15 in the 1891 census.
Many thanks
Geoff
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Hi Geoff
There are 2 Charles, age 15, listed, one page after the other.
Do you want both, or is it particular parents/family?
Regards,
Grub
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Thanks Grub, would appreciate details of both families as I'm sure they are related.
My problem at the moment (without sending for birth cert) is that I'm not absolutely sure which of the Charles is the right one, I'm hoping there may be a clue in the details. (You never know do you?).
Regards
Geoff
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Hi Geoff B
RG12/ 696/ Folio 67/ Page 3 – Rolvenden, Kent
Scan of Enumerators Return for your query
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Hi Geoff B
RG12/ 696/ Folio 67/ Page 4 – Rolvenden, Kent
Scan of Enumerators Return for your query
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Many thanks for the scans Chris, they are much appreciated.
Regards
Geoff
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Hi Geoff
RG12/ 696/ Folio 67/ Page 3 – Beer House ‘The Star’, Rolvenden, Kent
JUDGE Tom, Head, Marr, 54, Publican (Beer Seller) born Rolvenden, Kent
Mary Ann, Wife, Marr, 53, Rolvenden
Lewis, Son, Unm, 21, Ag Lab, Rolvenden
Charles, Son, Unm, 15, Ag Lab, Rolvenden
Lily, Dau, Unm, 11, Scholar, Rolvenden
Horace Alfred, Son, Unm, 4, Rolvenden
(not sure abut the name of the beer house – but it looks like The Star)
RG12/ 696/ Folio 67/ Page 4 – The Village, Rolvenden, Kent
JUDGE Agna, Head, Marr, 49, Ag Lab, Rolvenden, Kent
Jane, Wife, Marr, 42, Tenterden, Kent
Agna, Son, Unm, 19, Bricklayers Labourer, Rolvendon
Charles, Son, Unm, 15, Postman & Grocers Assistant, Rolvenden
Bessie, Dau, Unm, 12, Scholar, Rolvenden
Frederick, Son, Unm, 10, Scholar, Rolvenden
Harry, Son, Unm, 8, Scholar, Rolvenden
Visiting next door with John Maynard and Family is:
JUDGE Emma, Visitor, 63, Monthly Nurse, Sandhurst, Kent
Lodging next door on the other side (at the Bakers shop) is:
JUDGE Thomas, Boarder, 19, Ag Lab, Rolvenden,
Thank you for your compliments in the private message you sent today - it is nice to know you are appreciated.
Chris in 1066Land
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That's brilliant Chris, I had hoped though that one of the Charle's would have had a middle name as neither the 1881 or the 1901 show it either so I'm still left with having to get the original birth cert just to find the correct family.
Thanks again though for your efforts on my behalf.
Geoff
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Hi Geoff,
I went to LDS today and I'm sorry to say that the films I have do not cover marriages for the 1900's.
I am looking at the records posted by Chris, for the 1891 Census and see that Tom Judge was a publican.
When you look at the 1901 Census, there is one 25 year old Charles Judge living there, and his occupation is
Brewer's Labourer.
Might this be one of those clues you were hoping to find?
I'm just wondering if you have the names of any of Charles' and Ellen's children. This might also provide a clue.
I don't know what happened to the other Charles because he doesn't appear on the 1901 Census.
I checked for a death at free BMD but nothing conclusive.
Let me know your thoughts.
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Geoff,
Sorry, I neglected to clarify that Charles Judge - Brewer's Labourer on the 1901 Census was living at Tenterden.
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Hi Foxglove
Many thanks for all your efforts to help in identifying my Judge family. As I have the PRO reference for Charles's birth I will just have to send for the certificate which will answer my query once and for all. As it isn't my direct relation (son-in-law's family) I was trying hard to establish the family details without cost but unfortunately that is not to be.
Your help has been greatly appreciated.
Geoff
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Hello Geoff
Came across your post from 2004 by chance - are you still interested in Charles Judge?
(One of them was my great-grandfather)
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Hello Foxglove
Thank you for your message - the system won't let me respond personally yet.
The Charles Judge who was my great grandfather was a sapper in Royal Engineers during the 1st world war (I have his medals). He had a daughter called Dorothy who was my grandmother - my father was born out of wedlock which was a huge problem in those days. Dorothy emigrated to New Zealand and my father was brought up by Charles. The name Fuggle does ring a bell but I can't remember why and all the generation that would know has passed away
Does this match your relatives history?
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Hello again Foxglove
Dorothy's trip in 1956 was a visit back to the UK. My parents were living at 131 so she must have used that addres for the return voyage. I was born there.
Dorothy was questioned at length by my maternal grandmother (so family history goes) and my natural grandfather's surname was apparently Bishop. It was a very small place then, we only found one Bishop in the census whose age would fit - he was the son of the landlord of a pub in Tenterden and Dorothy's grandfather Tom was landlord of the pub in nearby Rolvenden, so it might fit. I'll never know though because he was killed in WWII. (The pub in Rolvenden is called The Star, still going and a very nice little pub.)
There is a quite grand tombstone in Rolvenden churchyard commemorating Tom and his family. Looking further back, the family seems to have been farm labourers in Rolvenden.
The name Judge is not very common - I did read somewhere that there is an Irish branch and there could well be some travellers who had to leave Ireland in the 19th century, but I found nothing in my family tree.
I tried once to see if I could find my relatives in New Zealand as I've lost track of all my relatives on that side of the family, but couldn't work out how (any advice gratefully received).
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Thank you Foxglove - I'll follow up the leads you sent me.
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Hi SJ
I don't think we are looking at the same Charles Judge, mine turned out to be Charles Geoffrey JUDGE b 1876 in Rolvenden, he and his wife Ellen Hoare had 6 children the youngest being Charles Frederick JUDGE b 1915 who is my son-in-law's late grandfather. Please let me know if this line is of any interest to you and if so would gladly share information.