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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cavan => Topic started by: rainmont on Monday 15 October 07 01:53 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I'm looking for information on my Blackstock ancestors that are rumored to have immigrated from Cavan, Ireland, to Wigtownshire, Scotland.
John Blackstock, b. Ireland between 1740 and 1768
+Ann Blackstock, b. circa 1768 at Ireland, m. abt. 1791 at Ireland
├── William Blackstock, b. circa 1792 at Ireland, d. 13 May 1877 at Kirkcolm, Wigtownshire, Scotland
│ +Agnes Young, b. between 1792 and 1796 at Ireland, m. circa 1815, d. between 1851 and 13 May 1877
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└── James Blackstock, b. circa 1806 at Ireland, d. 26 Jul 1881 at Kirkcolm, WIG, Scotland
+Margaret Moffat, b. 1806 at Ireland, m. 1 Jun 1826 at Kirkcolm, WIG, Scotland, d. 1878 at Kirkcolm, WIG, Scotland
If anyone has any additional information on these Blackstocks in Ireland, I would love to hear from you. I am happy to share what I have on the family in Scotland.
Regards
Trish
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Hello Trish,
What denomination were your Blackstock, Moffat and Young ancestors? Were they members of the Catholic faith, the Established Church (Anglicans or Church of Ireland), Methodists or possibly Presbyterians?
You'll have to rely on Church records as civil registration in Ireland was not introduced until 1864. Non Catholic marriages were registered from 1845 onwards. When registration for BDMS started in 1864 some people didn't bother with the registration for a few years after that date. Keep your fingers crossed that church records still exist.
Christopher
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Trish
I don't know if you're still out there, but if you are - I'm descended from James Blackstock and Margaret Moffat in Kirkcolm, and working on them at the moment. Am interested to know where the Cavan link came from as I thought they were probably from Co. Down?
Hope you see this- I'd love to hear from you
Sheila
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Hello Sheila - so glad to hear from you!
I am descended from Ann Blackstock (1816-1882) who married Alexander Fraser in Kirkcolm (1834). Our information is that Ann was the daughter of William Blackstock and Agnes Young (both born in Ireland). Ann was born, and died, in Kirkcolm. Where it gets hazy is that we think Ann's father William could be the brother of your James Blackstock who married Margaret Moffat. We also think his parents may be John and Ann Blackstock married 1791 in Cavan, Ire. (my mom got Cavan from info. in an IGI Individual Record, FamilySearch, International Genealogical Index v5.0, British Isles).
I'm hoping that you have some information that could help us clear this up. You can contact me directly. I look forward to hearing from you!
Kind Regards,
Trish
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I am related to James Blackstock and Margaret Moffat, they are my maternal grandmother's grandparents. Jane Blackstock married James Thompson and they emigrated to Canada about 1911. They were Presbyterian, I have James Blackstock's bible. I am curious about the number of Blackstocks from Dumfries and the reference in one of the censuses James and Margaret Blackstock were born in Ireland; are they Irish or Scottish?
If anyone wants to share please contact me.
Jeannie
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Jeannie,
Hello, its nice to hear from you. Was your Jane the daughter of James and Margaret? I have that they had 12 children, including Jean (Jane) b. 1847 and Janet b. 1838. We think that James Blackstock is the brother of my Gr Gr Gr Grandfather William Blackstock who was also born in Ireland and immigrated to this area of Scotland. Sheila, also on this post, has researched the Blackstocks extensively - I will forward your post to her in case she doesn't see it.
Cheers,
Trish
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Trish,
Thanks for the prompt reply. My uncle was able to get death records in the 1970's when he visited Scotland. My grandmother told him that James Blackstock had a sister, Jean who married a Boyd--searching censuses couldn't find a connection. Also, my grandmother remembers visiting his gravesite near Stranraer about 1896 (she was born in 1887), she took a buggy ride to the site! The Blackstock girls married Maitlands, Edgars, Thompsons.
Keep me posted!
Jeannie
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Hi Jeannie,
We must be talking about the same family. I have the Blackstock girls married to a Maitland (Ann), an Edgar (Sarah), and a Ross (Margaret), but I don't have the Thompson marriage.
I have James Blackstock (who married Margaret Moffat) with a brother William (my relation), and apparently they had a sister Agnes (a.k.a. Nancy), but I didn't know about a Jean married to a Boyd. That is really interesting!
I am visiting Stranraer in May and will have to look for James' grave site...
- Trish
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Hi Jeannie and Trish
I don't know anything about a Jean marrying a Boyd, however, strangely enough, the mother of Sarah Blackstock's husband, Robert Edgar, was named Jean Boyd. She was born (according to censuses) in the Isle of Man and married John Edgar in Stranraer in 1827.
As to James Blackstock's gravesite - I don't think there's anything to be seen now - certainly no stone or inscription either in Kirkcolm or Leswalt, and no mention in the published transcriptions that I've seen so far, although I assume they're probably in Kirkcolm - Trish, I sent you a photo that my son took there, didn't I?
Since Blackstock is not really an Irish surname, and the fact that the vast majority seem to be based in Dumfriesshire, Cumbria and Argyll, my pet theory is that "our" Blackstocks were only passing through Ireland and are probably descended from planters. I would dearly love to be able to prove it, but it so far eludes me.
Jeannie - does the Bible shed any light on the Irish connection at all, and is there a reference to James and Margaret's putative marriage in Donaghadee? Having spent most of today in the Mitchell Library in Glasgow, trawling through the OPRS, I am coming to the conclusion that couples who had ommitted to get properly married trotted out " Actually we got married a few months ago in Belfast/Donaghadee/Ireland and here's a note to prove it" ! I reckon someone was doing a roaring trade on the quayside helping couples to avoid possible censure by the church authorities!
Sheila
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Trish and Sheila,
The bible's print date is 1808 and printed in Glasgow; however there is no entries relating to family events. There is a handwritten note that reads James Cafry his watch (a number) bought November 1, 1836 price 4 pounds bought off Mr. Sprat Saintfield.
I found the Scottish Parish Records where James and Margaret appeared before McKean stating they had married in Donaghadee, Inncast or Inn East, dated in 1827. I have been curious about their marriage in Ireland as well; the Moffat name seems to be from Dumfrieshire. You ladies have a better understanding of this; my part of the world isn't as old as yours!
I do have a copy of James Blackstocks death certificate. My grandmother, Margaret Ross Thompson was the daughter of Jane Blackstock and James Kennedy Ross Thompson (his family came from Inverness). She was born in Cairnbowie part of Kirkcolm parish. Peter Maitland and James Thompson built ships in Glasgow together according to family folklore. The Jean Boyd being the mother of Robert Edgar would make sense. I can imagine all those sisters and their families a close pack; my grandmother lived to 97 years of age and her oral history may not have been as accurate.
Are you two related to William Blackstock? Did he also live in Kirkcolm and when did he die?
Thanks so much for your information,
Jeannie
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Jeannie
Trish is a descendant of William Blackstock and I am descended from James. My gg grandmother was Sarah Blackstock, daughter of James and Margaret, who married Robert Edgar. William Blackstock died 13th May 1877 in Kirkcolm.
Quite a few of the Blackstock family moved up to Whiteinch in Partick, Glasgow from the late 1850's on and lived pretty close by to each other. In the 1871 census for Lochheads Back Land in Whiteinch, Peter Maitland, labourer in shipyard is listed along with his family. HIs sons John and James are listed as Ship Carpenter and Ship Carpenter apprentice respectively. Lodging with the family are two other apprentice ship carpenters, one of whom is James Thomson. So it would seem he married the landlady's sister!
They all lived round the corner from the BarclayCurle Shipyard which was fairly new at that time, and the whole neighbourhood was getting pretty crowded with all the incoming labour. There 9 people living in the Maitland house in 1871 and the house is recorded as only having 2 rooms which had windows. 9 people, 2 rooms in a back street in Whiteinch. A far cry from the open farmland of their youth really.
The parish record you mention is actually a record of the couple declaring to the minister and the kirk session that they had been married by Mr McKean in Donaghadee in the June of the previous year i.e. 1826. There are numerous such entries in Kirkcolm, Leswalt and Sranraer. A lot of couples said they were married in Ireland. Whether they actually were or not is another matter...I imagine they pitched up in Kirkcolm either already having their first child Margaret, or expecting one, and they have been required to account for themselves.
Would it be possible to see a scanned image of the receipt/note in the bible? It's very interesting. The Spratts were clock and watchmakers in Saintfield, Co Down, and James Caffrey was the eventual husband of James' niece Isabella, one of his sister Nancy's illegits. It'd be fascinating to know how it came to be in James Blackstock's bible. James Caffrey would have been about 16 in 1836.
Sheila
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Dear Sheila,
This is so cool--my great grandmother was Jane (Jeannie as she was known) Blackstock. There are many Jeannies in the family. I know of Whiteinch as my mother took photos years ago of the row of houses where Grandma lived. Thanks for the history.
I don't know a scanner I'm sorry to say but he wrote that note at the end of the old testament on a page which was only half full of print, his writing has a bit of flourish it reads: James Cafry his watch No. 7(?)456 second line: Bought November 1, 1836 ...price symbol L under that 4 symbol s (under that 4, symbol D under that 0; next line Bought off Mr. Sprat Springfield.
Also in the bible were Glasgow Sabbath School Union, scripture Lesson Scheme, 1875 for the first quarter; another clipping was Bible lessons for the fourth quarter, 1866, Oct, Nov. and Dec. and Appeal in connection with Special Evangelistic Services to be hled throught the Glasgow Free CHurch Presbytery, The way of Life and the Way of Death. another Dowanhill U.P. Mission, Whiteinch, meetings on Sabbath (no date). No wonder we have ministers in the family! Jane Blackstock married in 1878 in Whiteinch and my grandmother's note written in 1971 said this was James Blackstock's bible--wondering if he spent time in Glasgow or he gave it to her to use.
Do you have much information on the other siblings of Sarah? From the oral history some died before adulthood, Wm Blackstock was lost at sea, Mary Stevenson Blackstock-do you know why that middle name, same with John White Blackstock. Does the name Matthew White ring a bell?
I have a photo of my gr-grandmother, as a young woman, she was pretty and plump and lived to the age of 91, buried in Vancouver, British Columbia.
Thank you for your information.
Jeannie
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Trish and Sheila
Just discovered parents of my GG Grandfather William was the son of James Blackstock and Margaret Moffat. William emigrated to Tasmania in 1857 aged 21. Married Rosina Kelvie 1859. Rosina was born 1838 in Glasgow.
I have quite a bit of information on the Australian descendants of William Blackstock.
I just need to digest you previous posts
Kindest regards
Steve Blackstock
Western Australia
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My uncle did a lot of genealogy on the Blackstocks interviewing my grandma and he noted that William Blackstock was lost at sea--glad to hear he survived, married and continued the lineage down under!
Jeannie
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I know I'm rather late to this party, but I'm very interested in James Blackstock Thompson (b. 1879) to James Thompson and Jane Blackstock. James Blackstock was the first minister of the church I am now the minister of, near Swansea. I'd love to find out more about his religious life, and what happened to him after he emigrated to Canada. I've been able to track his son, James Kennedy Ross Thompson through the records, but not him. Please get in touch if you think you can help (or if you'd like more information from me).
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For reference-
James Blackstock Thompson born 1879 Glasgow-
https://www.bethel-clydach.co.uk/about-us/history/trinity-chapel/
My daughter lived not far away in Cwnrhydyceirw ;)
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For reference-
James Blackstock Thompson born 1879 Glasgow-
https://www.bethel-clydach.co.uk/about-us/history/trinity-chapel/
That's my church's website, and why I'm interested in James :).
My daughter lived not far away in Cwnrhydyceirw ;)
It's a small world! :D
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Thompson - Blackstock William 1st child of James Thompson & Mary Blackstock, Apr 11, 1813 http://www.paulturner.ca/Ireland/Cavan/coroneary-parish-records.htm
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Reply from USscot.......
James Thompson was the brother of my grandmother and settled in Canada whereby he continued and was active in the Presbyterian church. My records aren't handy presently as my uncle did an extensive geneato
USscot , you reported this to moderator , I think you meant this as a reply.
ev
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Just wondering if anyone has any further information on this Blackstock family as my husband's 4x great grandmother was Agnes (Nancy) Blackstock b1795ish Ireland, lived in Kirkcolm and later moved to Whiteinch, Lanarkshire. He's just had a DNA match to a descendant of James Blackstock and Margaret Moffat in Australia.