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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: LizzyDow on Friday 19 October 07 17:04 BST (UK)
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Hello everyone,
I am now inquiring into a Bernard Finnegan (Finnigan) who was born in 1828 in Ireland. I found him on the 1901 Scotland census living in Dennistoun, Glasgow Spingburn at the Barnhill Poorhouse working as a Rivitter. I am wondering if there is a way I could find out who his parents were and where in Ireland he was born. Because of his age, I am assuming he died in the poorhouse.
If it is the same Bernard Finnegan, he was married to Mary Marrow, also born in Ireland. He had one daughter that I know about, Alice Finnegan who married Patrick Ward in Glasgow Scotland. Alice and her husband left for New York in 1901-1902.
Breaks my heart to think of him alone living in those miserable conditions.
Thank you very much.
Liz , Yarmouth Maine
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Hi Liz,
Had a quick look at Ancestry and LDS Family search and I am not sure if the 1901 in Barrhill Poorhouse is the same one. In LDS , there are a few marriages of Bernard Finn*gan but not to Mary Marrow, although one was a mary Martin. So what he have defintiely got to start with? Any certificates, marriages where, Ireland or Glasgow etc
Tom
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Hi Tom,
Thank you for responding! I really appreciate it.
This is what I have: A death certificate from Alice Finnegan whose father is listed as Bernard Finnegan and a mother as Mary Marrow. Alice was born in 1866 in Ireland.
I also have a marriage record for Alice Finnegan to Patrick Ward in Glasgow in 1886. The father's name is Bernard Finnegan. I cannot read the mother's name accurately, but it looks like Mary Mann, which I suppose it could be Mary Martin. I found the same Bernard Finnegan and Mary Martin at Family history. Names get lost in history, perhaps it is the same family.
I states on Alice Finnegan Ward's death certificate that she and her parents were born in Ireland. I am suspicious that the family moved to Glasgow, not just Alice.
I have also heard from a woman here in the States, that she is a descendant of a Bernard Finnegan from County Cavan, Ireland. I found a Bernard Finnegan in Coolnagor or Ricehill, Kilmore Parish, Cavan on the Griffiths Valuation. I also found a Barnard Finnegan in Thomascourt or Drumroosk, Kilmore Parish, County Cavan.
Hope this helps. And once again, I thank you for your help.
Regards, Liz, Yarmouth Maine
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The Bernard Finnegan who died in Barnhill Poorhouse in 1904 aged 76 is recorded as the widower of Mary .... surname looks like Feely
His parents are Patrick Finnegan and Mary Connelly
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Hi Liz and Sancti,
I have just done a search on IGI for children of Bernard Finegan (or similar) to a Mary. Backs up Bernard in Barnshill being widow of a Mary Feely, so definitely not your one.
On LDS Family Search site, checking family of a Bernard Fin*egan marrying a mary Marrow or similar
Parents Bernard Finegan and Mary Marron: -
Rose Finegan 06 Jan 1865 0555 Raferagh, Monaghan
Anne Finegan 05 Aug 1867 0459 Raferagh, Monaghan
Frances Finegan 19 Jul 1870 Monaghan Ireland
Bernard Finegan 19 Jan 1876 Monaghan Ireland (Manon was surname but lumped with Marron)
Parents Bernard Finnigan and Mary Martin
Patrick Finnigan 03 Apr 1863 Clyde, Glasgow
Parents Bernard Finegan and Mary Feely: -
Bernard Finnegan 08 Aug 1874 Anderston, Glasgow
Frances Finnigan 08 Apr 1869 Middle or New Parish, Greenock
Patrick Finagan 12 May 1871 Anderston, Glasgow
Parents Bernard Finegan and Mary Coyle: -
Bernard Finigan 29 May 1866 0238 Scrabby District, Cavan, Ireland
Parents Bernard Finegan and Mary Conery (Cooney, Canney etc): -
Margaret Finegan 03 Feb 1866 Armagh, Ireland
Mary Anne Finegan 26 Aug 1867 Armagh Ireland
Patrick Finegan 28 Feb 1869 Armagh, Ireland
Susan Finegan 03 Nov 1870 Armagh Ireland
Lucy Bridget Finegan 31 Dec 1873 Mount Norris, Armagh, Ireland
Bernard Finegan 16 Jun 1879 Ballintemple, Armagh, Ireland
I think our Alice could be born to first Bernard, husband of Mary Marron, but not much room to fit a brth in between Rose and Anne. Have a look at this and see what you think.
Tom
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Hi Liz,
I have found them in 1891 and 1901 census: -
In 1891 census, at 9 Turner Street, Townhead, Glasgow
Patrick Ward 26 b 1865 Ireland Iron Worker
Alice Ward 27 b 1864 Ireland wife
Frances Ward 2 b 1889 Glasgow, Lanarkshire Son
Bernard Ward 1 b 1890Glasgow, Lanarkshire Son
Rose Ward 15 b 1876 Ireland Sister – Thread Winder
John Ward 14 b 1877 Ireland Brother – Scholar
In 1901 Census at 53 East Lyon Street Camlachie, Glasgow
Patrick Ward 39 b 1862 Ireland Horse Dealer
Alice F Ward 38 b 1863 Ireland wife
Frank Ward 12 b 1889 Glasgow, Lanarkshire Son - Scholar
Bernard Ward 10 b 1891Glasgow, Lanarkshire Son - Scholar
Mary Ward 9 b 1892 Glasgow, Lanarkshire Daughter- Scholar
Patrick Ward 6 b 1895 Glasgow, Lanarkshire Daughter – Scholar
John Ward 4 b 1897 England
Tom
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Hi Liz,
I cannot see Berbard Finnegan and Mary Marron over in Scotland, I have checked the census and cannot see them here. So looks like parents stayed home, they may have had other family ther.
TOm
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Dear Tom and Sancti,
Thank you very much! I am so grateful for your help.
Based on what Tom has told me about Bernard Ward and Mary Marron coming from Raferagh, Monaghan, I really think this is the right family. I may be completely wrong, but Patrick Ward and his father Francis Ward and his mother Mary McGinnis, also came from Raferagh, Carrickmacross, Monaghan Ireland. So we have the Raferagh connection between the Finnegans and the Ward and now the Marrows and McGinnis families. It just seems to fit. What do you all think?
Tom, I also have the census from Scotland. Thank you very much.
Once again, I thank you both very much. Please let me know if there is anything I can check for you.
Regards, Liz, Yarmouth Maine
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It looks to be a long time since you posted on here- but I am researching my Finnegan family and have a Rose Marron who married a great grandfather Patrick Finnegan from Carrickmacross, Monagham, IR.... I Rose mite be related to Mary Marron.... If you have more info I'd love to have it!
Kelly
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Some of the Finnigans from Carrickmacross who are listed in this thread are my ancestral family.
They came from Monaghan to Glasgow circa 1845.
To make things worse, BOTH of my ggg grandparents (who arrived as a married couple ) were Finnigans.
Both had other family who also came to Glasgow .
Every time I thought I'd located a sibling for one, it turned out to be a sibling of the other. !
Copied and pasted:
Parents Bernard Finnigan and Mary Martin
Patrick Finnigan 03 Apr 1863 Clyde, Glasgow
This Bernard was the brother of my ggg grandmother.
He died in 1868
His sister also married the brother of Mary Martin
The Martins were also from Carrickmacross
The witnesses to Bernard and Mary's 1859 marriage were :Pat Finnigan and Ann Ward.
Some Finnigan marriages in Glasgow relate to other siblings of my ggg grandparents
I have done a mass of frustrating research into the Monaghan Finnigans and, I know that there were other, wider members in the same location whom I have never been able to identify.
This info comes from death records etc.
Informants were "cousins" of the same/ similar address, but, as the names are always Finnigan, I have no idea if they are maternal or paternal cousins
At 1841 there were very few Finnigans in Glasgow
By 1851, the area around High Street was full of them !!
EDIT:
Forgot to mention ..
My ggg grandfather was born in Monaghan circa 1820.
His mother's maiden name was WARD!
My ggg grandmother's mother? Her married name of course was Finnigan but her maiden name was Keelan
She died in Glasgow.
Her mother's maiden name was also.. FINNIGAN
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Thanks for info- It is soo frustrating! I haven't found any in Glasgow yet. My grandmother was born in Durham England, 1893 immigrated to U.S. in 1914 and they settled in Montana...her dad James McGinn was born in Carrickmacross in 1866, her mom was Susan Duffy whose parent were from Cavan, Ireland. My grandfather Peter Finnegan's dad was Patrick J 1869 born in Co. Monaghan, Ie- his dad another Patrick born 1828 also in Carrickmacross then we think his dad was James FINIGAN born in 1809 in Co. Monagham and his wife was a McGuinness!- -- with so many like names, then changing the spelling it is definitely frustrating.
Then my ggPatrick also married a McGinn! Actually I think most of the Finnegans' (no matter how you spell it) from the Carrickmacross area are related.
I will keep you posted with any new findings! Thanks
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Yes, my Finnigans appear on BDMs and census returns with almost every variant spelling of the name but, mine do seem to have arrived during the potato famine in the 1840's
And..... Bernard Finnigan who married Mary Martin?
I cannot find any marriage but, after Bernard died in 1868, Mary had a new husband.
He was also born in Ireland circa 1828 and seems to be a widower but, wait for it.........
His name was Bernard McGuinness !
He was the informant to Mary's death which confirmed that she was married twice.
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That's hillarious! Was the McGuinness from County Monaghan? I haven't paid to go on any geneology sites yet, what I've found has mostly been from free sites, like familysearch.org. But I think i'm ready to, just so i can get some of this figured out...
Where do you live? I'm in Idaho, my dad's parents immigrated to Deer Lodge, Montana around 1912 and worked in the copper mines... There are about 10-15 other Finnegans' with other spellings that lived and worked there in the early 1900's. You mite check to see if any are related to you---
thanks for your info-