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I have baptism records for children of James Hubbard and Sarah Moses Hartlip Parish Records.
There are 10 children altogether the birth dates range from
1778 to 1795 all baptised Hartlip Kent.
I had a look on IGI and all records of baptisms were there only they did not say Hartlip they say HAM KENT.
Can anyone tell me if they know the difference in locations.
Victoria
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www.curiousfox.com would be the place to start for me...
Pauline
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Had a try didn`t help :'(
Victoria
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Ham is near Sandwich, not far from the East Kent Coast.
According to my Parish map, Hartlip is right over the other side of Kent in the North West near Chatham & the River Medway.
Quite a distance!
Betty
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Hi Betty,
Thanks for information, all my ancestors were from Upchurch,Hartlip,Newington, Lower Halstow, I wonder if I contacted Mormons Website they would check records, I am sure places of baptism should have been Hartlip and not Ham, all the actual birthdates for children were correct but they did not have maiden name of their mother which I thought was puzzling as my records give maiden name of mother.
The parents are named as James Hubbard and Sarah Hubbard.
My records give names as James Hubbard and Sarah Moses.
Victoria
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Why don't you order the films in to view for yourself?
Looking at the indexes, check to see which were submitted and which extracted.
never assume that any are 'correct' until you've viewed it for yourself.
Pauline
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Hi Pauline I got family baptism records from
Vital Records Index 2 ( which are from Latter Day Saints ) cds
Same as Mormons Site www.familysearch.org
You would expect them to be the same.
Victoria
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I don't know which particular set of records you are looking at from familysearch, and I don't possess the VRI(2) either.
Which (if any) give a batch number and what is it?
Pauline
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The batch number for Ham is C031744
Victoria, are the dates of baptism, at Hartlip and Ham, identical for all the children?
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Thanks for the batch number. They baptisms seem to be extracted records.
Genuki explicitly states that they (IGI and BVRI) do NOT contain the same information.
http://www.sierratel.com/colinf/genuki/CAV/IGIBVRI.html
i'm looking at the bvri info and it doesn't seem to mention hartlip at all...?
http://www.genoot.com/downloads/BVRI2/KEN-Birth-Coll.pdf
Pauline
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There's definitely baptisms of the children of a James & Sarah Hubbard in Hartlip between 1778 & 1793
Betty
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The baptism date for Sarah HUBBARD in Ham is 2 Nov 1788
Is it the same for Hartlip?
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Thanks everyone for your help.
First of all I must apologise, my records were not from VRI2 they were from Kent Family History Society :-[ :-[ :-[ cds.
Yes all records from familysearch ( exact birth dates of all children)
were same as cds from Kent Family History Society.
The birthdates were.
Hartlip Parish Register.
Children of James Hubbard & Sarah Moses.
William Feb 8 1778
James May 11 1780
John July 14 1782
Thomas Oct 10 1784
Richard Dec 18 1786
Sarah Nov 2 1788
Elizabeth June 12 1790
Hannah Sept 1 1793
Rosamund Jan 25 1795
Jacob Sept 15 1793 Born abt 08/01/1791
I am sure that I may have seen a place in ? Halstow called HAM GREEN ?
Victoria
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Ham Green is spitting distance from Upchurch, it will probably be the same one
Alex
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Thanks Alex,
I knew I had seen name of place before.
Victoria
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The IGI place name is a mistake and that batch number covers several different parishes not only Ham. I have a theory as to how this may have come about ..................
Often a particular library or organisation may order filmed copies of events for several different parishes. If these parishes are relatively small ones, several parishes may be accomodated on one roll of microfilm and often in alphabetical order.
East Kent parishes, in order, would be .............
Ham
Harbledown
Harrietsham
Hartlip
In my own personal records (from the original parish register) I have James TADDLETON/SADDLETON baptised Harbledown 30 Sep 1810. This event is recorded on the IGI as taking place in Ham with the same batch number as your Hartlip entries ie. C031744. Thus I would suggest that somebody has copied entries from a film and not changed the parish from Ham to Harbledown and Hartlip. Whether Harrietsham and/or other parishes are also included in this same batch number I couldn't say without checking it out.
Casalguidi :)
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Thanks Casalguidi,
Ham was obviously Halstow.
Victoria :)
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Hi.
I am trying to work out why some of my wife's forebears are shown as being baptised in Ham & also the Parish Church of Lower Hardres. Am trying to find forebears of Samuel & his wife Elizabeth??
Regards,
Gary,
Australia.
Samuel Wells
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening:
10 April 1676
Parish Church of Lower Hardres, Kent, England
residence:
Kent, England father:
Samuel Wells
mother:
Elizab.
Samuel Wells
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening:
10 April 1676
Ham, Kent, England father:
Samuel Wells
mother:
Elizabeth Wells
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Hi
Next to Ham is Lower Halstow; sure it's not Halstow rather than Hardres? Could be mis transcription
Alex
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Gary,
Duplicate entries are a problem on Family Search. The problem occurs because various Parishes are on the same film. In this case Ham, Lower Hardres and probably Harbledown. Many threads on Rootchat about this subject.
The baptism took place on 10 April 1775 at Lower Hardres.
There was a marriage date, as follows at Lower Hardres,
1668 Dec 4 Samuel Wells Elizabeth Walters.
Hope this is of some help,
Tony
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Hi Tony.
Thanks very much for that. I am sure it is Elizabeth Walters but so far no birth details for her or Samuel.
Cheers,
Gary.
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Hi
Next to Ham is Lower Halstow; sure it's not Halstow rather than Hardres? Could be mis transcription
Alex
I think you are confused with Ham Green at Upchurch. Ham is miles away from Lower Halstow.
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Hi.
Trust all is well. Have found the following.
Samuel WELLS
Print Family Tree
Sosa : 1,578
• Born in 1644 - Elham, Kent
• Baptized 23 November 1644 - Elham, Kent
• Deceased in 1721 - Lower Hardres, Kent, aged 77 years old
• Buried 8 November 1721 - Lower Hardres, Kent
Parents
• #Nicholas WELLS 1608-1646
o #Elizabeth SMITH
Spouses and children
• Married 4 February 1668, Lower Hardres, Kent, to #Elizabeth WATERS 1641-1714 with
• Ann WELLS 1669-
• Elizabeth WELLS 1671-
o John WELLS 1673-
• Samuel WELLS 1676-1746
Margaret WELLS 1678-
o Mary WELLS 1680-
o Richard WELLS 1680-1713
o Mary WELLS 1681-
#Nicholas WELLS
• Born in 1608 - Elham, Kent
• Baptized 11 September 1608 - Elham, Kent
• Deceased in 1646 - Elham, Kent, aged 38 years old
• Buried 10 August 1646 - Elham, Kent
Nycholas Wels
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 11 Sep 1608
Event Place: Elham, Kent, England
Event Place (Original): Elham, St Mary the Virgin, Kent
Father's Name: Richard
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Parents
o #Richard WELLS
o ? ?
#Nicholas Weales
Spouse's Name: #Elizabeth Smyth
Event Date: 04 Feb 1635
Event Place: Paddlesworth (Near Folkestone), Kent, England
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Still searching.
Gary.