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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: cissy172 on Wednesday 24 October 07 22:20 BST (UK)
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Hi
I'm looking for 2 brothers of my grt gran..
David Mitchell b: abt 1850
Samuel Thomas b: abt 1857
Older members of the family say they moved abroad Australia or America...
Their fathers sister moved to Australia in 1870 with her family, so maybe they went there...
I know my nan used to write to someone in Australia, she carried this on after her mother had died, so perhaps it was one of her uncles she wrote to?
I have no idea as to where they may have gone, if they went at all.....
There was no sign of David on the 1871 census and Samuel Thomas on the 1881 census...
Did Samuel follow David?
Did David go with his Aunt in 1870?
His Aunt was Constance Murley (this was her married name) she went on the Cospatrick in 1870 along with her daughter.....
Can anyone help or point me in the right direction?
Thanks for looking
Cissy
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Hello there Cissy
Can you please tell us their parents names,and where they were born, as that will help with the search
kind regards Jenn
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Hi
Their parents never left England...
The father John Mitchell died 1879 in Lancashire & their mother Frances died in 1901 Lancashire...both in Radcliffe, but registered in Bury...
There may also be Arthur Mitchell abt 1862/3 who also went off the census...again can't find anything on him
Thanks for your time
cissy
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Hello there Cissy
I am a little confused here what is the brothers surname please
kind regards Jenn
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Hello Cissy,
There are plenty of people on RootsChat ready and willing to search for your people in Australia but you really do need to tell us ALL you know.
First you need to make the surname clear - you refer to two brothers called David Mitchell and Samuel Thomas. As Jenn asks - what was their surname! Or were they half-brothers with different surnames (one MITCHELL and one THOMAS)? And you need to give us more information. I can tell you that looking for (say) a David MITCHELL b ca 1850 somewhere in Australia without any further information would be like searching for a needle in a haystack :)
Also you say that an aunt of the brothers, Constance MURLEY, went with her daughter to Australia in 1870 on a ship called the 'Cospatrick' - but you don't say where in Australia this ship landed!
Now I can search for some of the information myself - but that really is silly when you already have more information.
But I did search (online, shipping lists, Public Record Office of Victoria http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide023/PROVguide023.jsp ) and found that Constance MURLEY, age 60, went to Victoria as an unassisted passenger on the 'Cospatrick' which arrived March 1871 - did you already know her age and destination?
There is also a Jane MURLEY age 24 on the ship.
There is no passenger with surname MI*CHELL.
There is a 19yo Joseph THOMAS on the ship.
A search for Constance MURLEY on the relevant Victorian BDM CD reveals that a Constance MURLEY, age 63, died in Victoria in 1871 - this might be your Constance but we need to know the names of her parents and her birthplace.
The reason for asking for the names of parents is because some of the Australian BDM death indexes record birthplace and/or the names of the parents and/or include the maiden surname of the mother of the deceased.
Give us more information and we will do our best.
Regards,
JAP
PS: Some possibly relevant Victorian records are as follows (note that the index does not capitalize the surname of the father but does capitalize the maiden surname of the mother; it also abbreviates place names but there is no standard list of abbreviations).
*MURLEY Constance, age 63, born CORN, died 1871 Reg.No. 10690, father Mitchell Thoma, mother Constance CONSTANCE
*MURLEY Jane, age 25, born CORN, died 1872 #3134, father Edward, mother Constance MITCHELL
*MURLEY John, age 42, born GWIN, died 1875 #15322, father Edward, mother Constance MITCHELL
A possible passenger record for John might be the following:
John MURLEY, age 19, on the 'Birmingham' which arrived Jan 1854.
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Hi
Sorry for the confusion....I had just finished work and really needed to go to bed....
The surname of the brothers is MITCHELL
Parents to both lads were John Mitchell 1821 and Frances Floyd 1828 all born Gwinear Cornwall..
I don't really have much info on them...
Others who have these people in their tree say they went to Australia on the Cospatrick in 1870..
Some have mentioned that Edward Murley, Constance Mitchell's husband came back to England others say he died before she went....
But when I ask questions not all get back...not too sure as to why
I'm having a quiet spell on the others in my tree, so thought I'd go further back..
Thanks for your help
Cissy
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http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi
Type in the name Jane Murley death place Australia.
You will see information that may further your search, including some on Edward.
The submitted info on the site is not always reliable and it is often very apparent that certificates have not been sighted and assumptions have been made.
Sue
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Hi
Thanks for that will have a look to see what I can find
Cissy
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Hi Sue, Good find and good thinking (WorldConnect and Ancestral File). I often forget to look there ...
Jane's death (or, at least, the death of a Jane MURLEY) from the Vic BMD is in the PS to my earlier post - let's hope more can be found.
Good luck Cissy - and don't forget that we are all champing at the bit to help :)
Regards,
JAP
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Hello there
Asearch of the Vic index for the Mitchell boys didn't turn up anything as yet
however found these two deaths that you might allready have?
Edward MURLEY died 1913 aged 87 at Timor reg no 7423
father Edward Murley mother Constance Mitchell
Thos MURLEY died 1915 aged 77 at Timor reg no 3294
father Edward Murley mother Constance Mitchell
kind regards JEnn
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Hi,
Here is some more information about MURLEY events around Timor.
http://users.mrbean.net.au/~tedn/d0001/g0000132.html
These records support the theory that Constance came [with or without husband Edward] and some of her offspring who appear to have settled in the Timor area.
Having both a son and a husband named Edward MURLEY may be confusing the facts a bit for research purposes especially remembering that the contributed information is not always correct and thorough.
There is a Marley birth recorded on this person's tree as recently as 1920.
No Mitchells visible yet.
Perhaps her brothers went to US.
Sue
PS Forgot to say, if it was me ;D I would be contacting this guy at the Timor Cemetery
http://www.ozgenonline.com/aust_cemeteries/vic/centgoldfields/timor.htm
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A likely death for Edward snr is:
MURLEY Edward, death, age 61, Sep quarter 1867, Redruth Cornwall, Volume 5c, Page 174.
Edward possibly came to Australia and later returned to England
- Unassisted passenger list, 'Birmingham', arrived Jan 1854 in Vic includes:
MURLEY Edwd 47
MURLEY John 19
There's also a Thomas MURLEY, 18 on the 'Red Jacket', Aug 1856 and a William MURLEY, 21 on the 'Zenobia', Sep 1869.
Edward's passenger age fits with the 1867 death; and both with the following IGI record:
MURLEY Edward bap 17 May 1807, Gwinear Cornwall, parents John MURLEY & Jane BRAY.
So it tends to look as though Constance MURLEY and daughter Jane came to Australia in 1870 after the death of husband/father Edward (snr) to join children/siblings who were already here. But, sadly (see earlier), Constance died in 1871 and Jane died in 1872.
Good idea about the Timor Cemetery lookups.
Pity about the MITCHELL brothers ...
JAP
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Thanks to all that have given me more info & links to check out...
I will get intouch with all those people I can..
I have been doing a bit of checking myself came across someones tree with Edward Murley on, they too say he went to Australia with one of his sons, but never mentioned of him returning...
Thanks Again to ALL of you...
I must admit I do tell loads about this site when they are requesting help on other sites .....
I find people on here seem to go the extra mile, so to speak in trying to help
Cissy
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there is also this listing of MURLEY graves at Timor
http://chrisuphill.tripod.com/aus2.htm
the contact is Robert Beard, the pages are slow to download.
Christine.
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Hello Cissy, I know this is an old posting of yours, but I feel compelled to respond. I am reading a book about old ship wrecks and there is a chapter devoted to the "Cospatrick." :o The Cospatrick sailed September 11, 1874 from Gravesend, The Thames, England bound for Auckland, New Zealand. On board were 429 immigrants, chiefly agricultural laborers from the Midlands and Eastern counties. There are some very good accounts of the disastrous journey and the government hearings with the three survivors (all crew members) on the internet at www.theshipslist.com.....I have not yet determined the exact names of any passengers, but it appears that the government of New Zealand may have such a listing. It would be sad, indeed if your ancestors were on board the Cospatrick, but that would account for their disappearance. I hope this helps. Pat