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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Huntingdonshire => Topic started by: Mobo on Thursday 16 June 05 15:31 BST (UK)
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BARBER, BRIGHT, BROWN, CATTELL, CHAPMAN, CHURCH, CLARE, COLEWELL, COOPER, CRUTCHLEY, DARLING, DUCKMANTON, EDGSON, EMERY, GILBERT, HEALEY, HILLS, HUTCHINSON, JAKINS, LEEDING, LEVITT, LOCKWOOD, MARDLING, MASSEY, PENNINGTON, RICHARDSON, ROBINSON, ROOTHAM, SANSONNE, SAUNDERS, SLATER, SMITH, TOLE, WATFORD, WESLEY, WINGFIELD, WILLIAMSON
THEY ALL MARRIED INTO MY MORRIS FAMILY AND CAN BE FOUND ON WEBSITE
www.annieg.fsnet.co.uk
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A sister (half-sister?) of my grandmother was married to Herbert Morris. Her name was Minnie Rootham. Another sister, Sarah Carter was married to Thomas Morris. I would like to share information with you.
Sincerely,
Pat
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Hi Pat
That's great news !! Here's what I have on Herbert. Perthaps you could fill me in on Thomas ??
HERBERT EMERY MORRIS was born September 12, 1873 in Spaldwick, Hunts. Occupation: Horsekeeper on Farm. He married MINNIE ROOTHAM October 10, 1895 in St Mary's Ramsey, Hunts. She was born 1873 in Holme, Hunts.
They appear on the 1901 Census with family in Ramsey
Their children were:
William Morris, b. 1897, Holme, Hunts.
Doris Ada Morris, b. 1901, Ramsey, Hunts.
You can see them on my website (see profile below)
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Hi. I don't know much about Thomas Morris other than he married Sarah Carter (another sister of my grandmother) who was born abt 1880 In Holme, Huntingdonshire. They were married abt. 1900. They were living with her parents, John & Elizabeth Carter, in the 1901 census. In this census his birth place is listed as Lincs Parish NK, but in the 1891 census his birthplace is given as Spalding Lincinshire. Both Herbert Morris & Minnie Rootham are in the same household.
Supposedly they had 7 children, but I only know of one - Florence E. born abt 1900 at Ramsey Hunts.
I hope this is of some help to you. Pat
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Thanks for all that info Pat, I'll add it to my 'tree', and thanks also for signing my Guestbook
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Hi Pat.
Had another look at my records, and, of course, Thomas was the brother of Herbert Emery MORRIS. They married in 1900, had a daughter Florence E MORRIS, and I've found them on the 1901 Census.
So once again, many thanks
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Hi. I have a copy of the obit. of Elizabeth (Rootham) Carter the mother of Minnie (Rootham) Morris & Sarah (Carter) Morris. It lists Mrs. T. Morris as a daughter & Mr. T. Morris as a son-in-law. Mrs. H. Morris (daughter) was unable to attend through ill-health. There is also a Mr. W. Morris & Bert.
I still haven't figured out if, & how many children Elizabeth had before marriage. John Carter also had some children with his first wife, but 2 or 3 of their children seem to have had the name Rootham which changed to Carter along the way. Only Amos Rootham her son kept his name.
I'm going to attach the obit because you may be interested in other names listed in it. If it doesn't work, please let me know, & I will try again. (I'm using an iMac so it does not always interface with a pc.)
Pat
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Hi Pat,
That would be great ! I'll PM you with my e-mail address so you can send me the attachment.
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Hi. The obit is on its way. It's a very old copy as you can tell. The Alfred Gray family from the US listed towards the bottom of the obit were my grandparents - Alice Ann Carter. Minnie was her sister, but I not sure if she was a Rootham or a Carter. The year of her birth was 1873, & the marriage of Elizabeth Rootham to John Carter was 1877. She shows up in both 1881 & 1891 census with the name Carter, but on the FreeBMD marriages she is a Rootham. I'm pretty sure I'm not mixing up two different women. I haven't finished getting to the bottom of the mystery.
Pat ???
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Hi Pat, Are you still around and are you still looking for Hills informatiom?
Lynn H.
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Elizabeth Morris (My g g grandmother) lived in Spaldwick. Had daughter Elizabeth Jane Church who was widowed young, was a farmer. She had 5 children..........Annie(my grandmother), Bernard, Lydia (known as Edith). William and Frederick.
may be a connection.
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Hi Mobo
Two Church sisters, Rhoda b c1829 and Mercy b c1837, daughters of Richard Church and Hannah Manning of Spaldwick, married two of my gt-grandfather's brothers, Joseph and Isaac Fairey of Easton. They probably met at Spaldwick Baptist Church, where the girls' grandfather, John Manning, was minister.
My gt-grandfather Amos Fairey married an Annie Church b 1839, who is not related to that family as far as I can tell. She was born in Gt Paxton, daughter of William Church and Mary Ambridge. Amos and Annie settled in Ellington.
Regards,
Gillg
Just noticed the date on your original posting (1905)!
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Those names Rhoda and Mercy ring a bell. I shall now do some digging!
Thank you. I will come back to you when I find something.
Maureenk
On 25th July 1833 Richard Church bought the house now known as Three Ways for £150 from Enoch Skempton . He had leased it for the previous year.
On 26th July 1833 Richard borrowed £130 from james Bland the Baker and Thomas Ashby the Blacksmith.
On 14th June 1836 Richard sold the house to Mark Davis for £220. Mark Davis was my g g grandfather.
The house remained in our family until around 1976. My sister's house is built in the old paddock of the house.
Recently the house sold for nearly a million!
This may be of interest...... it is information my mother copied from the deeds.
M
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Hi MaureenK
Richard Church was born c 1799 in Godmanchester and was a tailor. He married Hannah Manning in Spaldwick in 1820. His other children were John, Rebecca, Ellen, Elizabeth, Susannah, Frederick and William. Is the house Three Ways in Easton or Spaldwick? Can you tell me where in the village Three Ways was located (I have a good idea of the village layout). In 1851 Richard and family were living next door to the Crown Inn in Easton.
There is another Richard Church about at the same time, from memory living in Huntingdon.
Incidentally, I think a son of John Church, Thomas, married one of Mobo's Morrises - Rebecca - in 1868. She has his birthplace as Barham, which is a mile or two from Spaldwick.
Regards,
Gillg
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Three Ways is not the original name for the house.........Fairview at one point.
It is on the Green. Put your back to the front door and opposite to you is the old Blacksmiths shop and to the left of it the road going round to the Thrapston road.On the right of the Blacksmith's house is a driveway and then The George public house and then The Manor.
My Grandmother Annie Church (married Davis) was a tailoress in a family of Tailors. She lived at The Crown in Easton!!!!Her married home was Three Ways. What a coincidence! John Church Annies grandfather was a Tailor.
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Maureen
I'm getting quite excited! If your John Church the tailor married Elizabeth Burton, then we are talking about the same family. My John Church was, of course, the brother of the aforementioned Rhoda and Mercy, who married my gt-grandfather's older brothers.
Looking at the family tree of a descendant of John Church on Genes Re, I can't quite follow the line you are talking about, but I don't agree with some of the items on there, anyway. One of us must be wrong!
I don't think I can know Easton as well as I thought, as your description doesn't match my memory of it - or are we talking about Spaldwick? All I remember of Easton is the road winding down from the main Huntingdon Road and curving round to a sort of common (The Green?) with a stream running through it. The church was on that road and a row of cottages, one of which had been the pub (The Crown?) but is now poshed up to the nines in black and white and thatch.
Regards,
Gill
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I am unsure of John's wife's surname but I do know she was born in Ellington. If Richard and Hannah were married in 1820 it is highly likely that John was their firstborn in 1821.Spaldwick is very small so the chances of two John Churchs must be small. Certainly family only ever spoke of one....... what a character he was too. Just got to find the proof !
I have a photograph of Three ways in Spaldwick but at the minute am having no luck sending it to you.
My computer is newish to me and its system is different to my old Mac laptop and at present it rules me!!
Our branch of the Church family died out two years ago.
maureen
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Maureen
I'll send you my email address in a PM. You can attach the photo to it more easily that way. I have a great photo of John's sister Rhoda Church in her old age which I can scan and let you have.
Cheers,
Gill
Incidentally, there are quite a few Church researchers on Genes. Are you a member?
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I'm from the BRIGHTS in Needingworth. What is your connection? Your website is down so I couldnt see your tree.
LJ
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Gillg
I am new to this roots chat. but have just found a conversation you had with Maureen about Rhoda Church. I have a Rhoda Church born 1829 sister to Elizabeth born 1834 ( my g/mother) you said you had a photo of Rhoda which I would very much like to see. If I can get this to work, I have other information of the family.
Vivien
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Gillg, I have Elizabeth Burton b 1794 Stanground, Peterborough , the daughter of John Burton and Mary (Cowham?). She is the sister of my 2X great grandfather, Joseph Burton. Is this the connection?I have no knowledge of her marriage if any.
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Vivien
My Rhoda was born 1829 and her sister Elizabeth 1834, daughters of Richard Church and Hannah nee Manning. I believe Elizabeth married James Haynes in Easton 16.11.1855 and died in Leigh on Sea, Essex in 1925 age 91. Looks like a match to me.
I was recently in Hunts and saw Rhoda's grave in Spaldwick churchyard. I can send you a photo of this, also the portrait of Rhoda and her son William, if you let me have your email address via a Private Message. Unfortunately you can only send a Private Message after you have made 3 postings, so perhaps you can reply a couple of times, then we can proceed. :)
Gillg
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Redroger
Sorry, my Elizabeth Burton was born 1819. She married John Church, older brother of Rhoda and Elizabeth mentioned above.
Gillg
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Gillg
Thanks for your reply. Elizabeth did marry James Haynes 1855 they had 13 children my grandfather Manning being the 6th child born 1864 he moved to Essex as did quite a few of his brothers and sisters the name Manning was to carry on the mothers surname.
Vivien
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Thanks for response Gillg, clearly not mine then.
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Vivien
Did you know that Hannah Manning's father, John Manning (1760-1886) was the Baptist minister in Spaldwick? I believe he was buried in the Baptist graveyard there, but the church has now been converted into a private house and I don't know what happened to the graves! Other grandchildren of John were also given Manning as a first name. I have more information about the Manning and Church families, if you are interested.
As I said earlier in this thread, my interest in the family is tenuous - Rhoda and Mercy, sisters of your Elizabeth, married older brothers of my Fairey ancestor. Not so long ago I met up with the direct descendent of the only child of Rhoda and her first husband, Joseph Fairey. Like Rhoda, Mercy was also widowed early, and moved with her children to Burnley, Lancs, and was followed there by her widowed sister-in-law, my gt-grandmother, Annie Fairey (nee Church, but not related!) and children, and the two families were quite close.
One more posting and you should be able to send me a PM with your email address for the photos.
Regards
Gillg
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Gillg
I did know John Manning was a minister ,my grandfather Manning was also a baptist minister at Grays. I visited Spaldwick a couple of years ago and took photos of three ways and church i did look through graveyard of church but not the baptist church didn't realize it was now private.
vivien
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I can imagine that the present occupants of the former baptist church could get fed up with people knocking at their door asking if they had any Faireys at the bottom of their garden
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Hi David
I think they already are - there's an entryphone on the rather tall gate! ::)
Gill
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1st message so please forgive me if I mess up. I would like to contact the person please that posted the message about John Church wife Elizabeth Burton. Need to confirm that Johns' father was Richard Church married to Hannah Manning. Have been researching this family for ages and just found the link. I am descended from his son Albert who married Ada Mary West (in lincoln). Their daughter Ethel Harriet Elizabeth Church married Horace Hunter (in lincoln)
I have been trawling thru the census returns for the past few weeks to try and get back as far as possible on the Church side. I would like to contact any relatives to now expand the info I have.
Many thanks
Avril
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Hi Avril
John Church, who married Elizabeth Burton in Mar Q 1841 was the son of Richard Church, born 1799 in Godmanchester, and Hannah Manning. Richard was a tailor. There is, however, another Richard Church of about the same age, who was also born in Godmanchester. He was a brickmaker. If you send me a Private Message (you can do this after 3 postings) with your email address, I can send you a copy of Richard & Hannah's family in the 1841 census, living in Spaldwick, Hunts.
Incidentally, if you are a member of Genes Reunited, there are several folk there researching the Church/Manning family.
Regards
Gillg
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Thanks Gillg, I shall post another message. I signed up for Genes many years ago but did not subscribe when it became chargeable. There is someone called John Church on there who sent me a posting but unfortunately cannot reply, he was asking about Albert.
As the local library has access to ancestry I have been going there to get census info.
Will send another post to carry on.
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I am just finishing updating the tree with census details. Just done Mercy Fairey who was widowed at age 34. Do you know if the death of Richard Church was sep qtr 1871 or sept qtr 1878? I know he died before 1881 census, and freebmd is showing 2 deaths for a Richard.
Going to try and get all census on the rest of the family from that era so that I have a full picture. Any help would most certainly be appreciated. Thanks, Avril
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Sadly because there are two Richard Churches probably born the same year in the same town it isn't possible to say which died when, unless you can get sight of a death certificate, where the informant's name might help.
Now that I have your email address, i will send you any other census information that I have about various family members.
Gillg
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Its a long time since the last message about the Manning/church families was posted is anyone still following the thread?
Richard & Hannah are Gt2 granparents of mine through their daughter Rebecca, sister to Rhoda, Ellen, Elizabeth Mercy & Susannah.
Would love to hera from any one with information.
LAD
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Still following the thread, I did a lot of research at the time but no further back as I haven't been to the area to do the research. i think Gillg is more of an expert than me, but if I can help with anything, please let me know.
Avril
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Good to hear from you Avril.
I have the 1841 census which shows the family of girls, but John is mentioned in your chat with Gillig. Do you have a date of birth for him by any chance? and are there other children older than Rebecca?
Interesting that Mercy was widowed when young, as Rebecca's husband, Edward Mayes (my GT2 grandfather), also died young (about 26yrs). Rebecca re married and went on to have another family, living in the Crew area.
LAD
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Hi LAD41
From the Family Search site I have a date of birth for John of 9 May 1820. This comes from the Non-Conformist records, which is useful, as the date of birth rather than that of christening is recorded. The family were Baptists, John's grandfather, also John and father of Hannah (nee Manning) being a minister in Spaldwick. This site also gives John and his family in censuses from 1841, 1871 and 1881, so shows his children and his wife Elizabeth (nee Burton). John seems to have been a tailor like his father Richard. I believe he was the oldest child, followed by Rebecca.
Mercy moved from Hunts after her husband Isaac Fairey died and settled in Burnley, Lancs, where she married James Crow and had a daughter Nellie. Annie Church (no relative as far as I have been able to find out), widow of Isaac's brother Amos, was also widowed young and moved to join her there. Amos & Annie's son Alfred Ernest was my grandfather.
Gillg
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If they are Baptists the one thing you will NOT find is an infant baptism.
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Thanks Gilllg & Redroger. Its great to see that you are still active, gillg.
Being very much a newcomer to roots I had no idea how it all works - and I'm not sure if Gillg will get an email prompt as well as Redroger, since he is the last to respond. We shall see!
Thanks for John's date of birth, I had not picked up on this at Family Search. Having followed the previous chat I was aware of Rev Manning, in fact his was a name passed on from my grandmother to one of my sisters many years ago, but only recently passed to me. However we had no idea of where he fitted in. Rev Manning & his wife were both born a few miles north of where I now live so at the weekend my wife & I took a trip to Yardly Hastings & Braifiel-on-the-Green to see if there was evidence of Baptist chapels. We found none in Yardly Hastings, but in Braifield OTG we just happend to ask the right people - two members of the present congregation who then took us on a guided tour. They had no idea of its original build date and the only date stone looked like 1880's. Shall have to follow this up.
I hope to visit Spaldwick soon - but I won't try knocking on the door!
The tailoring trade would seem to be well established in the Church family. I don't know if Rebecca was ever designated a seamstress, but her grandson ( my grandfather) Robert Walker Mayes became a successful taylor in London.
For Mercy to move from Northampton to Burnley seems strange, unless there was a family connection. Did her husband originate from that area?
Thanks again
LAD
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All contributors of a thread get notifications of topic replies (i think), one of Burnley crafts was shoes/boots, let me know if you need any info on this as I believe the Lancs libraries have access to some description of BMD info. I didn't have much luck the other day when I went across to the library as it was on a go slow and I hadn't logged in since January so had problems. If you interested in Lancs stuff I can book a 'puter while my son is at pre-school.
Avril
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All contributors of a thread get notifications of topic replies
Only if you tick the box in Attachments and other options
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LAD
I have not been able to find out why Mercy Church/Fairey moved to Burnley or whether there were already family members there. I think some of her sisters were living in the London area by that time, though Rhoda remained in Spaldwick. I only know that when my widowed gt-grandmother Annie Church/Fairey joined her there in the mid-1880s all Annie's family found work there, something which maybe they would not have found easy in rural Huntingdonshire.
Gillg
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:D I have just found out about this site from Avril so many thanks
My name is John Church and my grandfather was Albert Basset Church, son of John Church and Elizabeth Burton. John was a tailor and Albert was shown as a tailor in one census. I think about1881 however he left Easton with a cousin and went to Oxford where he learnt hairdressing and wigmaking which was to become his trade for life with a short period when he was a publican. He was quite a colourful character and as my research has discovered not a particularly nice man I'm really sad to say. Albert died in 1936 the day after the king so I never got to meet him or my Grandmother Emmiline Edith Mary nee Grimson. I have been to Easton briefly and found a grave marked as Elizabeth Burton but if she was the same Elizabeth I'm sure the grave would be marked Elizabeth Church wife of John Church