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Hi,
I am doing a one name study of the Rossiter family and am looking for information please about the parents and siblings of William Rossiter born circa 1832 in Road (Rode?).
The 1871 Census has him living at 27 Marshes Road, Newport, Monmouthshire with his wife Ann & son(?) Francis.
I need to link William back to his family.
Any information would be grealy appreciated please. TIA.
Best wishes
rcuser
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The only William Rossiter in Road I can find so far was born c1828 :-\ Could he have lost a few years??
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Hi CatOne,
Thanks for that.
Given all the rounding of ages William could have lost a few years.
Can you post his details and any others you find please?
Best wishes
rcuser
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Heres 1841 -
HO107/942/20 Folio 11 Page 14
Union Cottage Lane, Road, Somerset
William Rossiter 47 Ag Lab Y
Harriet 41 Y
Wiliam 13 Y
Mary 10 Y
Sarah 4 Y
John 1yr Y
and in 1851 -
HO105/1932 Folio 704 Page 42
Lower Street, Road, Somerset ("isolated portion of Woolverton parish situated within the boundaries of the parish of Road")
William Rosseter visitor 23 Ag Lab Road
in house of -
Edward Martin 55 Ag Lab Road
Mary 55 Road
Samuel 23 Ag Lab Road
Henry 18 Ag Lab Woolverton?
Thomas 16 Ap shoe making Woolverton?
Sarah 13 Scholar Woolverton?
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Hi CatOne,
Many thanks for that.
I have that family in my database but it does not appear th be the one I am looking for.
Rechecking my database I have a William Rossiter born 1832 but he's from Middlezoy though as well as a son called Jesse born 1857 in Middlezoy he also has a son called Francis born 1863 in Newport.
Wonder if he's the one I should be chasing?
Best wishes
rcuser
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Do you have him in 1851? in Middlezoy with parents John and Mary and two sisters? HO107/1924 Folio 455 Page 8
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Hi CatOne,
Not sure of the source but his parents are John born circa 1806 and Mary circa 1796. Both born in Middlezoy.
William married Mary A. ( maiden name unknown) somewhere around 1855 but not sure where.
I suspect that the A is for Ann and that in later censuses she may be recorded as Ann.
Best wishes
rcuser
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Is your William in Newport in 1871, the same one in 1881 listed as unmarried with his mum Caroline and her son Frank age 17?? 56 Marshes Road, Newport RG11/5261 Folio 15 Page 23
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Hi CatOne,
Unfortunately that's what I'm not clear about.
Caroline is the widow of John Rossiter ( born circa 1819). I suspect that William born 1832 in Middlezoy could be his brother.
Caroline married a William Rossiter in the December Qtr of 1881 but who he is I do not know as I have no details about him.
William born circa 1840 ( a labourer in an Ironworks in the 1881 Census) is Caroline's son as far as I know.
Again as far as I know there are two Franks. One is the son of William born 1832 and his wife (Mary) Anne. He was born circa 1863. Caroline's son Frank was born 1864.
In the 1871 Census at 52 Marshes Road there is a William Rossiter born circa 1850 who is the son of a William Rossiter & Susan Davi(e)s. William the father died in the Sept Qtr of 1849 leaving his wife pregnant to give birth to William Junior in 1850. This family may or may not be related.
All these Williams make it extremely complicated to sort out who is linked to whom.
Hope this helps.
best wishes
rcuser
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You're not kidding about his family being complicated!! All having children around the same time with the same names! ::)
Right, to start at the beginning then, William in 1841?
HO107/964/11 Folio 18 Page 2
Middlezoy, Somerset
John Rossiter 35 Ag Lab Y
Mary 45 Y
Kezia 15 Y
Caroline 11 Y
William 9 Y (yob c1832)
1851 HO107/1924 Folio 455 Page 8
Middlezoy, Somerset
John Rossiter 50 Ag Lab Middlezoy
Mary 61 Middlezoy
Kezia 21 Middlezoy
Caroline 19 Middlezoy
William 15 Ag Lab Middlezoy (yob c1836)
(in 1861, theres just John, Mary and Kezia in Middlezoy)
(in 1871, its just Mary and Kezia)
1871 RG10/2384 Folio 8 Page 8
Middlezoy, Somerset
William Rossiter 48 Ag Lab Middlezoy (dont know what happens with the ages here but the children match up ???)
Mary A 47 Somerset Longport
William 10 Scholar Australia
Mary J 7 Scholar Middlezoy
Jesse 5 Scholar Middlezoy
John 3 Scholar Middlezoy
1881 RG11/2373 Folio 5 Page 4
Middlezoy, Somerset
William Rossiter 47? General Labourer Middlezoy (yob c1834)
Mary A 54 Laundress Ireland
Jesse 14 Middlezoy
John 12 Middlezoy
1891 RG12/1882 Folio 16 Page 6 (married Eliza Berry, Bridgwater March 1886 Vol 5c Page 524)
Middlezoy, Somerset
William Rossiter 58 Ag lab Middlezoy (yob c1833)
Eliza wife 30 Bridgwater
Mary J E Berry stepdau 8 Scholar Bristol
so..... it would seem that this William was in Australia at around the time the 1861 census was taken. So it would seem this William is not the one in Wales with wife Ann and Francis, that you started this thread with! ::)
Not sure whether thats helped or just confused things more :-\
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Hi CatOne,
Many thanks for that. I really appreciate your taking the trouble to look this up.
Unfortunately, there are quite a few of this type of case. Another one is 4 Henrys all born in Frome in 1844, but I'll save that for another day.
I'll digest this info, see how it fits with my database and get back to you.
Thanks again for your help.
Best wishes
rcuser
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Couldn't let this one go, don't like being defeated :) so carried on looking -
1861 RG9/4017 Folio 43 Page 1
65 Marshes Road, Newport St Woolos, Monmouthshire
John Rossiter 44 Ag Lab Frome Somersetshire
Caroline 40 Newport Monmouthshire
Charles 10 Labourer General Newport Monmouthshire
Eliza 2 Newport Monmouthshire
1871 RG10/5342 Folio 13 Page 19
28 Marshes Road, Newport
Selina Birt m 24 Laundress Frome
William son 1 Newport
Caroline Rossiter wid 47 Frome deaf
Elizabeth sister 12 Newport
Sarah Jane sister 5 Newport
Charles cousin 23 Working in nail factory Frome
George cousin 21 Working in nail factory Frome
and at 27 Marshes Road -
William Rossiter 39 Plumber at Ironworks Road
Ann 37 Wilts ...?
Francis 7 Newport
1881
56 Marshes Road, Newport
Selina Burt mar 35 Sailors wife Frome
Eliza 13 Scholar Newport
William 11 Scholar Newport
Selina 6 Newport
Lilly 6mo Newport
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Caroline Rossiter widow 57 Frome
William son unmar 41 Labourer Ironworks Road
Frank son unmar 17 Labourer Ironworks Newport
ok, so how come her husband is alive in 1891 but changed name from John to William??? or did she marry another Rossiter??
RG12/4371 Folio 8 Page 12
48 Marshes Road, Newport
William Rossiter 70 General Labourer Wiltshire
Caroline 67 Wiltshire
in house of Elizth Newton (42 b Newport) and family. Is she nee Rossiter??
and in 1901 hes lost 10 years!
RG13/4961 Folio 74 Page 36
40 Orchard Street, Newport
William Polson? 42 Labourer Brickworks Liverpool
Selina wife 54 Frome (Selina Birt remarried I presume)
William Rossiter boarder 70 Pensioner Waterworks Frome
Violet Birt dau 13 Newport
Edgar Birt son Newport
So are William and John the same? or did Caroline marry first a John then a William Rossiter? I'm confused and its getting late, so I'll leave it there for now, but they certainly look like the same family, dont they? The 1871 and 1901 William match in ages but the 1881 William doesn't fit, unless the age is wrong :-\
I look forward to seeing this lot unscrambled! :)
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Hi CatOne,
Many thanks for the monster post & the extra information.
It's certainly going to take some time to sort this one out.
William's varying birth dates make it unclear as to which William you are dealing with.
I'll sift through it all and try to piece it together.....hopefully without a nervous breakdown!! LOL!!
Have a good day.
Best wishes
rcuser
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LOL, serves you right for inflicting the Rossiters on me. I've been having nightmares about them last night! :)
Hope you'll update the thread when you suss it out, I'm intigued by this complicated family now!
Good Luck
Catherine :)
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To see if it helps, I thought I'd follow up Selina's cousins Charles and George. This would appear to be them in 1851/61, which hopefully will narrow down the family your William belongs to, as Job must be John's brother musn't he??
1851 HO107/1932 Folio 550 Page 20 ("Roseter")
Spring Gardens, Marston, Somerset
Job Roseter 26 Cloth Worker Somerset Lavarton
Ann 27 " Frome
James 6 Frome
Charles 2 Frome
George 11mo Frome
Henry Lee lodger 35 Cloth Worker Gloucester Nth
Noah Bray lodger 15 Ag Lab Frome
1861 RG9/4017 Folio 44 Page 3
53 Marshes Road, Newport St Woolos, Monmouthshire
Job Rossiter 34 Labourer General Somerset Frome
Ann 36 Somerset Frome
Charles 12 Scholar Somerset Frome
George 11 Scholar Somerset Frome
Sarah 9 Scholar Somerset Frome
Ellen 3 Monmouth Newport
Unfortunately Job (15 Dyer Y Frome Selwood) is not with his family in 1841, and neither is John (25 Ag Lab Y Laverton Somerset) :-\
Not being able to find Selina before she became a "Birt" was bugging me too, so -
1861 RG9/1656 Folio 71 Page 11
Mill Lane, Lullington, Somerset
George Sadler 60 mar Ag Lab Lullington
George son 24 Ag Lab Lullington
Charles son 20 Shoemaker journ Lullington
Celina Rossiter niece 14 House servant Frome
(Possible marriage on IGI - George Sadler and Ann Rossiter 13/09/1833 Luxborough, Somerset)
And looks like Caroline did marry another Rossiter -
William Rossiter Dec 1881 Newport M Vol 11a Page 258
Brides - Caroline Rossiter (I've found the other couple together in 1891)
Regards
Catherine :)
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Hi Catherine,
John & Job were brothers.
They were the sons of James Rossiter & Sarah Dyer Day.
Selina who married William Birt was the daughter of John Rossiter & Caroline Stone.She later married William Poulson.
Ann Rossiter who married George Sadler was Job & John's sister.
Caroline did marry a William Rossiter in 1881 but I don't know about him.
There's also a lack of clarity about William born 1832 in Road who married Ann from Wiltshire. He could be John & Job's brother or Caroline's son or he could be the 2nd husband of Caroline.
There's also a question mark over Francis born 1864 at Newport as to whose son he is.
I'm in contact with a family member who feels Francis is not the son of Caroline.
Now read on.....
Best wishes
rcuser
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I wondered why I couldn't find Selina Rossiter in the 1851 census, the only Selina that kept coming up was a Selina Stone in the Work House! So I guess she was illegitimate?
And I see Caroline Stone and 2 sons? Charles aged 2 and John aged 9 are also in the workhouse.
Thanks for the summary, nice to have the puzzle unravelled a little
Good Luck with the rest of your quest for Rossiters!
Catherine :)
ps. I would guess that with Williams occupation in 1871 being Plumber at Ironworks (the one married to Ann from Wiltshire), that he is the same William who became to second husband of Caroline and is on 1901 census as "Pensioner waterworks". (The ages and birthplace match too, Road being a part of Frome according to a website I checked out)
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Hi Catherine,
John & Job were brothers.
They were the sons of James Rossiter & Sarah Dyer Day.
Selina who married William Birt was the daughter of John Rossiter & Caroline Stone.She later married William Poulson.
Ann Rossiter who married George Sadler was Job & John's sister.
Caroline did marry a William Rossiter in 1881 but I don't know about him.
There's also a lack of clarity about William born 1832 in Road who married Ann from Wiltshire. He could be John & Job's brother or Caroline's son or he could be the 2nd husband of Caroline.
There's also a question mark over Francis born 1864 at Newport as to whose son he is.
I'm in contact with a family member who feels Francis is not the son of Caroline.
Now read on.....
Best wishes
rcuser
Hi
I researched the Rossiters for many years and linking the relationships have been a nightmare.
Frank Rossiter was my ggrandfather born 8th October 1863, Marshes Road, Newport, mother was Caroline Rossiter nee Stone. There is no father on the birth certificate.
Frank was married 25th October 1886, Newport, father was stated as William Rossiter but as you know William didn't marry Caroline Stone until 25th December 1881 at St Marys, Malpas, Newport.
Williams Father on the marriage cert was stated as Job Rossiter and Williams age was 52. Caroline age was 58 and her father was George Stone.
In 1901 William is living with Selina Birt, Carolines daughter. His age was 70 which is quite close to the age on the marriage cert baring in mind that he married at the end of 1881.
There is a William Rossiter age 76 who died in Newport in 1906 which looks to be him, I will send for the death cert to try to find out.
Carolines daughter Selina was born 26th August 1846 in Balch (looks like), Frome, mother Caroline Rossiter formerly Stone, father John Rossiter. I've searched for many years and not been able to find a record of Carolines marriage.
We may never know who Frank Rossiters real father was, the only hope I have is finding some thing in the parish records but not yet been successful.
I hope this info will help.
thanks
Keith :)
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Hi Keith,
Many thanks for posting that.
Just been having a look through my database and I've found a William Rossiter born 1829 ( birthplace unspecified but his father died in Road and his grandfather was born there).
He was the son of Job Rossiter & Christiana Paradise.
I don't have any marriage details for him but he could well be a possibility if we could track him through the censuses.
best wishes
rcuser
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Hi Rcuser,
I hope im not going to confuse things further.I hope this will clear up the Middlezoy Rossiters,
John Rossiter c1797 Middlezoy married Mary Ann Page c1788 (widow) The Children of John and Mary,
Kezia c1826 Kezia didnt marry as far as i know
Caroline c1830 married James Perrett (widower) Caroline and James didnt have any children,
William Rossiter c1832 married Mary A ?c1824 Langport Their children were,
1, William Rossiter c1860 Australia who Married Elizabeth Ann Pitman,c1863 Westonzoyland,(my link)
2, Mary Jane Rossiter c1864 Middlezoy Married Charles Martin c1864 Middlezoy,
3, Jesse Rossiter c1866 Middlezoy
4, John Rossiter c1868 Middlezoy,
William Rossiters c1832 first wife MaryA ? died in 1884,
William c1832 then married Eliza Berry (widow) in1886,
Hope this is of help,
Kind Regards Anita
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Hi Rcuser,
I hope im not going to confuse things further.I hope this will clear up the Middlezoy Rossiters,
John Rossiter c1797 Middlezoy married Mary Ann Page c1788 (widow) The Children of John and Mary,
Kezia c1826 Kezia didnt marry as far as i know
Caroline c1830 married James Perrett (widower) Caroline and James didnt have any children,
William Rossiter c1832 married Mary A ?c1824 Langport Their children were,
1, William Rossiter c1860 Australia who Married Elizabeth Ann Pitman,c1863 Westonzoyland,(my link)
2, Mary Jane Rossiter c1864 Middlezoy Married Charles Martin c1864 Middlezoy,
3, Jesse Rossiter c1866 Middlezoy
4, John Rossiter c1868 Middlezoy,
William Rossiters c1832 first wife MaryA ? died in 1884,
William c1832 then married Eliza Berry (widow) in1886,
Hope this is of help,
Kind Regards Anita
Hi Anita,
Many thanks for that. I'dd add it into the mix and see how it all fits together.
Best wishes
rcuser
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Hi, Again,
Ive found this info.
1841 Census ,
William Rossiter 47 vRode Somerset
Harriet Rossiter 41 Rode "
William Rossiter 13 Rode "
Mary Rossiter 11 Rode "
Sarah Rossiter 4 Rode "
John Rossiter 1 Rode "
1851 Census
William Rossiter C1828 Rode Visitor at the Martin family home in Woolverton,
1851 Census, Rode/Woolverton
Mary Ann Jones, born 30 Penley Wiltshire
Charlotte Jones 68 Chapmanslade,
Marriage 1851 Frome, William Rossiter. to Mary Ann Jones,
1861 Census Rode /Woolverton Somerset
William Rossiter 33 Rode Head
Mary A Rossiter 41 Penliegh Wiltshire
William Rossiter 8 Woolverton
George Rossiter 6 Woolverton
Frank Rossiter 2 Woolverton
I871 Census Woolverton
William Rossiter 43 Rode
Mary A Rossitter 50 Penley Wiltshire,
1881 Census Woolverton
William Rossitter 53 Rode
Mary a Rossitter 60 wiltshire
1900 Census Woolverton
William Rossiter 73 Widower,
Burial Mary Ann Rossiter 15-10-1889 Rode age 69yrs
1851 Census
Job Rossiter 60 Rode
Christiana Rossiter 65 Rode
George Rossiter 35 Rode
John Rossiter 30 Rode
Joseph Rossiter 20 Rode,
Marriage Job Rossiter to Christiana Paradise 10-5-1819 Frome,
Kind Regards
Anita
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Hi Anita,
Many thanks for that.
Your information matches up pretty well with the information in my database.
With regards to Job & Christiana, I have a William born circa 1829 as a son. Just wondering from your post if he died before 1851 or got married & left home.
His brother Joseph was born in North Bradley & as I have no birthplace for William I can only assume that William was born there too or in Road.
Is he listed in the 1841 Census by any chance.
Best wishes
rcuser