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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: greendoor on Thursday 25 October 07 16:39 BST (UK)
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I'm trying to trace back my grandmother Marjory Doherty can't find her birth anywhere .I have her marrying 1908 in Campbeltown Scotland age 22 to toby Wilder and then marrying again in 1915 in Glasgow Scotland to James Burns ,she has diffrent fathers name on both cert and she is down as a spinster.I would be greatful for any help
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Hi Greendoor,
Do you have the censuses on your Grandmother? If so, what did they say about her birthplace and whom she was living with?
Perhaps that will clue you in on her parentage.
Regarding two different names for her father, do you mean different forenames or full names? I think she may do not know her father's name because of the illegitimacy?
Have you tried to see the list of all Doherty births for a particular county or particular town seeing any similar name to your Grandmother's within the range of years?
Also, you would have to consider about the spelling of the surname Doherty--it may be mistranscribed or incorrectly spelt.
Go back to 1891 and 1901 Censuses will help you to determine where to look for her birth entry.
Best wishes,
Tees
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Hi Greendoor,
There are only TWO Marjory Doherty in the whole Scotland-that is if you are using the soundex and the range of years from 1870 to 1890.
I need to know how old she was at her second marriage.
Also, have you her death certificate? It probably will tell us who were her parents.
I think you would have to tell us a bit more about her supposedly parentage and any helpful information you know about her in order for us to help you out.
Good start would be to start with any census information you may have on her.
Awaiting your reply with much interest. I will try my best to help you.
Kind regards,
Tees
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Dear Greendoor,
I have narrowed it down to one birth if it is between 1880 and 1887 for whole Scotland for Marjory Doherty using the Soundex.
I think her surname was misspelt because Doherty was often spelt in many different ways.
Could you tell me what's her mother's name from her both marriage certificates? I will try and see if this particular birth entry is yours.
Regards,
Tees
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On the first marriage cert 1908 she is 22yr and her father is down as Patrick Docherty (deceased)Mother Margaret Docherty (deceased)on her second marriage cert her father is John Doherty mother Margaret Doherty both deceased. I tracked this through my mothers death cert and there lies an other mistery
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Hi Greendoor,
May I suggest that you copy my "methodology" of finding your grandmother?
Go to the SP (Scotlandspeople) website and type in Marjory Doherty and tick the soundex and choose the range of 1870 and 1890 for the years.
You will find that you have two possible candidates of Marjory whom may be your grandmother.
I can see that her parents' surname was spelt: D o c h e r t y on the first marriage certificate.
What's her age on the second marriage certificate as it will help us to know if her age has been consistent or not.
Have you really look for her in the censuses?? With this surname, we may be looking in the haystack for a needle...it is also an Irish surname.
Do let me know how you get on.
Regards,
Tees
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hi pal,
recognise any of these names?
1901 census- 60 rose street, glasgow
patrick doherty...age 43...riverter...born ire
margaret...age 41...born ire
james...age 18...riverter's apprentice
patrick...age 14
margaret...age 10
michael...age 8
children born glasgow, could your majorie be indeed margaret?
Joe
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Hi Tess
I have been on Scotlands People and they are not my Marjory I have found both of my grandmothers marriage cert on it and her age is 28 on her second cert
Many Thanks for your time
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Hi Joker
Nice to hear from you again but that Margaret would be to young as my gran would have been about 14 in 1901
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Hi Joe
As you can see I'm no further on since we last spoke except I found out she married again in 1915 and had my mum in 1934
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hi pal,
found the family in 1891
1891 census- 12 crown street, glasgow
patrick...age 34...labourer
margaret...age 32
mary...age 11
james...age 8
annie...age 6
patrick...age 4
margaret...age 5 months
yip i see your still looking my friend, gonna be a difficult one as you can not be sure if the person who gave the parents names on the death cert gave the correct ones. i remember searching everywhere for your toby wilders and found nothing, did your grandma have a son maybe that she called after her father?
Joe
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hi pal,
just re-read you post, if your gran remarried in 1915 it is 26 years of marriage before your mum is born, so there must be brothers and sisters of the marriage, is there another line that we could possibly go down?
Joe
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sorry Joe I seem to have hit a brick wall and no one to ask
Marie
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do not despair pal,
have send you a pm,
there is a 12 year old marjory on the 1901 census living in stirlingshire with parent richard and mary.
Joe
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Hi Greendoor,
You did not say whether you have your Grandmother's death certificate or not.
Now, I think we would have to check Ireland and England to see if your Grandmother was born there.
Glasgow was a popular spot for many Irish from the North of Ireland but well as the South (the Republic). My Grandmother was born in Glasgow--not many people know this fact in my family until I show them her birth entry.
However, she grew up in Belfast and remained there until her death.
I think you would have to find out when she passed on. Hope she did not marry for thrice which will only confuse us. ;D
I will take another look at the English BMD indexes for you to see if there was a Marjory Doherty being born in appox. 1886.
Her age is consistent and she kept stating that her mother is Margaret which is a good indiction she knew her parents' names--I am not sure as to why she named her father a bit differently--perhaps one of the names was his nickname or middle name?
It is a bit shame that she did not name her mother's maiden name which will make things a bit easier...
Joekar--he is a very good helper!! You are in a good hand. ;D
Kind regards,
Tees
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Hi Tess
Thanks for your time and help I only have both her marriage cert and her mum is named on both as Margaret nee McGuire
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Hi Greendoor
I have conducted the search on Marjory's Mum--it seems there were only four deaths with the surnames of Doherty and McGuire in the whole Scotland.
If I were to narrow it down with the "M" letter for the forename, it dropped to two for the whole country.
But it is no guarantee that we have her death entry.
Interestingly, I went to the Family Search.org and found there were Margery/Marjory Docherty who got married to the same guy Patrick McGrearie on two separate dates in 1871 and 1874 in Ardrossan, Ary. Are they sisters or different couples with similiar names?
There is a Margery Docherty who was born on 11 Aug 1855 to a John Docherty and Bridget Kilday in Glasgow.
I am wondering if your Marjory may had mixed up with the names in her family--Patrick being her father and John being her Grandfather? I cannot be certain if they are yours.
The best way to go about is to get Marjory's Mum's death entry as it will tell us who was her husband (or husbands, if she had remarried) and her parents in order to trace her through the censuses. One of the censuses will show her with her children including your Grandmother.
Let me know what you think.
Tonight I will take a good stab at your family. Quite surprised you do not have your Grandmother's death certificate as it would tell us where she was at the time of her death.
Sometimes families will stay put in one place for years, other families do not.
Kind regards,
Tees
PS Some daughters/sons do not know their mothers' maiden names. Do not assume that all of the children would know their mother's maiden names. My brother once asked me what was our Mother's maiden name! I was surprised by his asking--I told him. From time to time, I would tease him about it.
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The last place I have Marjory dwelling is Stirling Rd Glasgow 1932 -1935 and I have no track of her after that
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Hi Greendoor,
I recently bought some credits on SP so I can conduct some searches for you.
I think I found your Grandmother's Mum's death record--she died in Glasgow in 1937 and she was registered under the name of Alice Margaret Doherty and it also showed her maiden name to be McGuire.
It seems we do have a right person...Also this person may have a sister whom married to another Doherty man--she was a Catherine and from same area in Glasgow.
It is possible she was known as Margaret to the family and friends but she was formally known as an Alice.
Want me to take a peek at this death record?? It may tell us who was her husband and her parents.
Also, there was a Mary Doherty who died in Stirling. She is awful young--42 years old and she died in 1942.
Awaiting your "approval."
Kind regards,
Tees
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Hi Greendoor,
I think I may have found your Grandmother--it seems she was 3 years old at the time of the 1891 Census in Kelvin, Glasgow.
She was not a Marjory but a Margaret.
I think Marjory may have been her nickname or pet name when she was growing up and she decided to adopt it as her name.
That may account for not able to find her birth record.
Want me to take a peek at this Margaret?
What interesting about this is that I could not find her mother under Alice or Margaret. Her father's name is too common--could not differ them...if we know where they got married--may narrow our search in the censuses.
I notice that you posted another post on Toby Wilders and it stated that the couple was travelling performers. That may be one of many reasons for not able to find them in the records as we do not know where they were from, etc.
Have you any thought about the Irish origins? Or looking south of the Borders?
Kind regards,
Tees
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Hi again,
I take a close look at marriages--it seems that the names do not matched up with the names you stated.
I am starting to think that your family may be travelling showpeople--that means they may had gotten married somewhere else--not in Scotland.
Will try the births to see if we can come up with something...I am betting that the actual name was McGrearie, not Docherty or something like that. Somehow, it changed over to Docherty or Doherty to avoid any suspicion or to avoid the legal troubles.
Kind regards,
Tees
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hi tees,
well done,
i am really interested in the alice margaret doherty's death in 1937, it may be helpful to know who registered the death and if her husband was still alive?
Joe
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hi tees,
well done,
i am really interested in the alice margaret doherty's death in 1937, it may be helpful to know who registered the death and if her husband was still alive?
Joe
Hi Joe!
Darn it! It seems we are back to the square one as they say.
This Alice Margaret Doherty was a wife of James Doherty, Wine & Spirits Merchant. BUT she was daughter of John McGuire & Margaret Doherty.
This death was registered by her son, Maurice of Sandbanks Street.
I am starting to think Marjory's parents died in Ireland, not in Scotland.
Like she said that her parents were deceased at both of her marriages. 1937 is not a right year...
Will hop over to the UHF to see if there were any baptism records on Marjory Doherty or Docherty and a marriage record for her parents.
I think Ireland is a good candidate to look in unless her parents were registered under the different names unknown to us.
Regards,
Tees
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Hi Greendoor,
What type of employment did this father of Marjory Doherty hold as stated on both marriage records?
Kind regards,
Tees
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hi pal,
recognise any of these names?
1901 census- 60 rose street, glasgow
patrick doherty...age 43...riverter...born ire
margaret...age 41...born ire
james...age 18...riverter's apprentice
patrick...age 14
margaret...age 10
michael...age 8
children born glasgow, could your majorie be indeed margaret?
Joe
Hi Joe,
For your information, I looked up on Michael's birth entry and it showed that his mother was a Leyden--however, it was indexed as a Doherty despite the fact his father was able to read/write his name which was Docherty.
So, we would have to dismiss this family. No offence intended!
Kind regards,
Tees
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Hi Greendoor,
Trouble with the surname of Doherty is that we cannot use the Soundex as SP will use Doherty. If we want to include the Docherty, it still do not work using the Soundex.
That means we have to use two surnames in order to find her birth entry.
Interestingly, it bothers me a bit--that she got married in Campeltown which is quite a distance from Glasgow.
Wondering if you can send for the church record on their marriage?? It may tell us if she was of the parish or not.
Also, you would need to tell us the names of the witnesses on both marriage certificates so we can try to tie up any loose ties. Also, what was the occupation of her father on both certificates.
Interestingly, there was a Marjory Docherty in 1901 but she was 80 years old and in Ayr--not far from Glasgow.
There was a 1886 birth entry for a Margaret Doherty in Ayr.
And other in Glasgow...
I am tempted to take a peek at one of the entries.
Any brilliant idea that we can go and find her...otherwise, we chalk it up as a mysterious chapter in your Grandmother's family history.
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Hi Joekar and Greendoor,
I am down to 4 credits on SP.
Let me know how to proceed on two birth entries.
I honestly think your Grandmother Marjory was not registered under Marjory but was nicknamed by the family or was affectionately called Marjory after her Grandmother?
I think she was named after her Mother who was a Margaret.
Kind regards,
Tees
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Could a kind soul here take a peek at this death entry of a Margaret Docherty nee McGuire who died in 1894 aged 45 in Maryhill, Glasgow 622/07 0091 as my credits has run out??
Also, 1887 Docherty Mary nee McGuire aged 30 in Greenock New or Middle/ in Refrew 564/01 0395?
Hopefully one of the entries showed that she was married to either Patrick or John Docherty.
I think we are able to help Greendoor in finding her Grandmother along this line now.
Pretty please???
Thanks!
Tees
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hi pal,
do you recognise this mcguire family from ireland?
1871 census- 27 ritchie lane, glasgow
constantine...age 63...butcher
ann...age 36
ann...age 20
john...age 17
margaret...age 15
james...age 10
constantine...age 8
1881 census- 13 anderson street, glasgow
cow...age 70...butcher
ann...age 50
margaret...age 23...butcher's shop keeper
james...age 20...cattle dealer
Joe
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Hi Tess/Joe
1918th aug
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Hi Tess/Joe
1918th aug
Hi Greendoor,
I am not sure I understand your post above.
Regards,
Tees
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Hi Joe/Greendoor,
As per sec PM from Greendoor, she said that on the first marriage certificate, Marjory's father's occupation is the packer.
It can be useful in tracing him in the censuses if we can find him.
Meanwhile, I am waiting for someone to get back to me regarding the death entries I found--hopefully, one of them is "ours."
If it is the case, then we can try to find her Grandmother's birth via the information on the death cert of her great-grandmother.
Finger crossed.
Kind regards,
Tees
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hi tees, greendoor,
further research suggest something completely different, so in the meanwhile, it is best to stop for a wee break until we sort out this new info.
Joe
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hi all,
as you are aware marjory was with the show people in 1908 in campbelltown when she married tobias wilders, she used the surname doherty but as it has turned out this was her mother's maiden name.
oor marjory was actually born...
marjory mcguire
9/7/1886
townhead place
stevenson
she was the daughter of james mcguire and margaret doherty.
james and margaret married 16/12/1882 in saltcoates. james was the son of patrick and ann mcgincey and margaret was the daughter of bernard and marjory devine.
at present i am going to stick with bernard and marjory.
1861 census- 6 goosedub street, glasgow
edward devine...age 52...labourer
bridget devine...age 52
rose devine...age 17...mill worker
william devine...age 9
marjory doherty...age 40
margaret doherty...age 13
marjory doherty...age 10
charles doherty...age 8
john doherty...age 5
edward doherty...age 3
patrick doherty...age 1
1871 census- drakemire street, saltcoats (the doherty family)
bernard...age 50...marine dealer
marjory...age 48
margaret...age 21
charles...age 17...clothier
john...age 15 (born 29/6/1855, a must buy cert!!!)
edward...age 13
patrick...age 11
ann...age 9
catherine brannan...age 4...orphan
1881 census- vernon street, saltcoats (the doherty family)
bernard...age 64...general dealer
majory...age 59
charles...age 28...dealer
john...age 26...carter
ann...age 20...house keeper
john...age 4....grandson
1891 census- 11 vernon st, saltcoats (the doherty family)
marjory...age 66...broker
ann...age 26...house keeper
john...age 14...grandson
1891 census- 33 green street, ardrossan (the mcguire family)
james...age 45...dock labourer
margaret...age 40
ann...age 14
mary...age 12
patrick...age 8
marjory...age 5 (this is yours !!!!)
margaret...age 3
things now get complicated as at this point i have no idea if marjory's parents die or seperate.
1901 census- 11 vernon street, saltcoats
marjory...age 80...dealer in second hand clothes
john...age 42...cartage contractor
edward...age 40...ship carpenter
ann...age 36...house keeper
mary ann...age 23...grand-daughter...dynamite worker
patrick...age 18...grandson...coal miner
margaret...age 13...grand-daughter
hope this helps to explain things for all concerned.
i reckon i have also found marjory's death in glasgow in which i have sent a pm to greendoor.
Joe
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Hi Joekar!!
So, that 1894 death entry on Margaret Docherty was the one!
I will get the info of this entry to confirm your finding.
Well-done!! And it seems my theory was feasible one as I suggested that Doherty may not her actual surname due to the nature of being a showperson. Also, that we should look in Campbeltown area or its county for her birth.
So pleased that we are able to "close" the chapter for Greendoor, not quite completely but very close enough!
And you found a 80 years old Marjory just like I did. I have her marriage entry info if you need it.
Well-done, Joekar!! Wish I could treat you to a pint or two! ;D
Kind regards,
Tees
PS I wholeheartedly agree with your position that it is McGuire and that we stick with Bernard & Marjory.
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Could a kind soul here take a peek at this death entry of a Margaret Docherty nee McGuire who died in 1894 aged 45 in Maryhill, Glasgow 622/07 0091 as my credits has run out??
Also, 1887 Docherty Mary nee McGuire aged 30 in Greenock New or Middle/ in Refrew 564/01 0395?
Hopefully one of the entries showed that she was married to either Patrick or John Docherty.
I think we are able to help Greendoor in finding her Grandmother along this line now.
Pretty please???
Thanks!
Tees
Hi Joekar,
See the 1894 death entry above? Well, Greendoor kindly offered to take a peek at this entry for us.
It turned out that her father is Bernard Docherty and mother Marjory Devine.
So that tied in with the findings you have posted here. Also, that 1908 Marriage Entry information regarding her parents being deceased is correct.
Kind regards,
Tees
PS Greendoor, I am curious as to whom she was married to?? Did it confirm what we are led to believe?? And who was her informant at the time of her death?
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hi pal,
some missing bits...
sems that marjory, sister of margaret married patrick mcgrearie on the 6/6/1871 ardrossan. and in the 81 census we find margaret living there before she marries james mcguire.
1881 census- vernon st, saltcoats
marjory...age 29...seaman's wife
edward...age 8
charles patrick...age 6
bernard...age 4
mary ann...age 1
margaret doherty...sister...age 35...washerwoman
mary ann doherty...niece...age 3(believe this to be annie in 1891?)
1891 census- 28 victoria street, govan
patrick...age 44...ship carpenter
marjory...age 39
edward...age 18...labourer
charles...age 16...rivet boy
bernard...age 14 (now using the name barney)
mary ann...age 11
james...age 9
nellie...age 6 months
Joe
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sems that marjory, sister of margaret married patrick mcgrearie on the 6/6/1871 ardrossan. and in the 81 census we find margaret living there before she marries james mcguire.
Hi Joe!
Grand! You just confirmed the information I found on the IGI as stated in the post#16.
So, it is the same family after all. I suspected that these two Doherty girls were sisters married to the same man.
Well-done as always!!
Kind regards,
Tees
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Hi Tess/Joe
I can't thank both of you enough for your time and effort that you have put into finding my grandmothers family , I now have to sit back and digest it
Many thaks again
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hi pal,
this aboot the best i can see in 1851...
1851 census- 10 little dowhill, glasgow
steven loag...age 45...rag merchant
mary loag...age 37
neil loag...age 18...rag merchant
sophia loag...age 16...stoneware hawker
marjory doherty....age 30...hawker in old clothes
margaret...age 3
marjory...age 9 months
dennis doherty...age 25...gardener's apprentice
Joe
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Hi i have just joined this site in order to get in touch, I think i have some info on your majory doherty, I found yourself on the link to Drakemire Street,Saltcoats. I am researching Patrick McGreavie and Margery Docherty married in 1871. They are my grt,grt,grandmother and grandfather,i do have certificates with the names of Bernard Docherty,Margery Ddocherty m.s. Divine, and a witness of a Margaret Docherty. It would be great if you got in touch to compare notes.
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Hi Visasister
That would be great if we could compare and see if we are related,as you are the first person that might be able to shed some light to my family background
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Hi Greendor. I think we might be related. I am tracing back the Mcgreavie line and some of the names and places match yours form your listing . Where would you like to start??? patrick mcgreavie married to margery docherty 6th june. 1871 ardrossan, her witness was a margaret docherty,her father on the certificate was bernard docherty (general dealer) her mother on the certificate margery docherty( maiden name divine) She resided at drakemuir street saltcoats. Does this tie up with anything you have???
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Hi visasister
I think we may be related through Bernard & Marjory Docherty,have you traced them back or is just the McGreavie line
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hi pal,
great to see you have made contact with someone regarding your family, looks like a definate family member and i hope she can shed some light on your darkness.
Joe
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Hi visasister,
I have "Divine" connections, Agnes Divine McIntyre and Robert Divine McIntyre, from Saltcoats, maybe connections there, also.
Tom
Sent PM also.
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Hi , We too are researching Marjory Docherty and Patrick Mcgreavie. Their daughter Mary Ann married Patrick McMenemy in1899. They are our Grandparents. Would love to share any details on McGreavie, Docherty and Devine families
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Hi Houndofulster
So nice to hear from you maybe we can compare notes on Marjory to see if we share the same family tree
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Hi
My grandmother was Mary Ann McGreevy, b12/2/1880. She married my grandfather Patrick McMenemy on 3/4/1899. Mary Anne was the daughter of Bernard & Marjory Docherty (ms Devine) and the sister of Margaret, Charles, John, Edward, Patrick and Annie.
Bernard Docherty died on 13/3/1883 in Govan and his parents were Charles & Mary Docherty (ms Logue). Marjory Docherty Died on 13/9/1902 and her parents were Charles & Margaret Devine (ms Brown).
That is as much as I have found to date.
Apart from the information that Bernard Docherty & Marjory Devine were born in Ireland and family history that they came from Donegal, I have no more information. I would be interested to hear how a marriage date of 1844 was found and if there is currently any idea of where in Donegal they were married.
Thanks.
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the Mary Docherty nee McGuire
in reply 27
her death is on the Inverclyde BMD site
she was married to a Daniel Docherty (flesher)
and died 23 Hamilton Street Greenock
no parents names mentioned
Elaine
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Hi
I found the marriage date on their son Johns Birth cert on SP .
I think Marjory & Bernard are your grandmothers grandparents and their daughter Marjory was her mum and if so her sister Margaret was my GGrandmother
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Hi There,I have read your post on the McGreavie Line.Patrick McGreavie and Margery Docherty are my GG grandfather & mother.I am from the McGreavie line.Patrick and Margery McGreavie had a son Bernard and I am from that line. Lets catch up and compare notes. Greendoor let me know you were on as I have not been on in a long time. visasister.
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Hi visasister
Nice to hear from you hope you are well. Has houndofulster got in touch with you as she's from the
mcgreevie side of the family?
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Hi Greendoor, No not yet but I put a post on so we see if she gets in touch.Are you well?
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Hi visasister,
Great to be in touch. I take it Bernard was your great grandfather. I have an approximate year of birth of 1877 in Saltcoats. Mary Anne was the next child according to my info as she was born 12/2/1880 also in Saltcoats. She was my grandmother so I am a generation ahead.
I live in the north of Scotland and would be happy to meet up if you near or north of the central belt. Otherwise I would be happy to send copies of any documents that you don't have.
As before I am trying to find any info linking back to Ireland
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Hi Houndofulster,Thanks for getting back in touch. Yes I am Bernard Mc Greavie's grt granddauhter and Patrick McGreavie's grt grt granddaughter. We do share the same info Mary Ann was Bernards sister, I do have a picture of Bernard ,and also have info on their other brothers and sisters.If it helps your research I have the names of Patrick McGreavie's mum and dad ( Edward McGreavie and Ann McGreavie ).He was a farmer in Ireland. I am also trying to trace which part of Ireland.I know Patrick came into Ardrossan from Ireland,so I am searching the passenger lists at present. I can't believe we are related and would love to swap info and stories. I live in the south of Glasgow so hopefully we could arrange to meet. Gail xxx
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Hi Marie, Just to let you know houndofulster has been in touch,and she is arranging to meet up.Hope you are well. Gail
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NMy father is eboy joesph wilders(toby) a showman from northern ireland.. His is called warner wilders & great grandad eboy joesph wilders...maiden names farrell..all living in ireland if any ones no of these let me no..thanks R wilders
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Many thanks for your information but I have Toby's father as Tobias and have not found his birth place yet.
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Hi, i am also researching a Doherty family from scotland, i noticed that you put up a 1891 and 1901 census to which i believe is part of my family.
1891 census 12 Crown Street Glasgow
Patrick age 34 - Labourer
Margaret 32
Mary 11
James 8
Annie 6
Patrick 4
Margaret 5mths
1901 census 60 Rose Street Glasgow
Patrick Doherty age 43 - riveter
Margaret Doherty 41
James 18
Patrick 14
Margaret 10 Michael 8
Patrick and Margaret are my Grt Grt Grandparents, i have their marriage certificate to which Margarets Maiden name was Leyden, ive been trying to find them on the census for a while so when i saw that someone had put these on here i couldnt believe my luck, any information on the chidren would be appreciated, i cant find them on the 1881 census but do know that they also had a son Matthew Doherty born 1875 in glasgow, he is my great grandfather and in 1894 married my grt grandmother in wales, is there any chance someone can send me the census that are on here so i can add to my tree :D
thanks
Andrea
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Hello all,
My name is Colin and I've been researching my family tree for awhile and it seems we have some shared relatives. My 4x Great Grandparents were Bernard Docherty (or Doherty) and Bridget Devine, I've been researching their children and would love to compare notes if anyone still looks at this thread?
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Patrick McGreavie and Marjory Docherty were my gt-grandparents. Their daughter Helen (Nellie) , sister of Bernard and Mary Ann, was my grandmother. Patrick and Marjory's eldest son was Edward (Ned) and he used to visit us at home until his death in 1961.
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I have been looking for information on Marjory Docherty (McGuire) for some time. this is my wife's grandmother. I have found some information if anyone is still interested. I know Greendoor was looking for information about her mother.
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Hi Blairvadach
Not been on site for a few years but seen that I'm related to your wife would love to find out more about Docherty family .
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Hi Mod2,
Why are you not using your original profile ?
Regards
Sarah
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Hi Blairvadach
Not been on site for a few years but seen that I'm related to your wife would love to find out more about Docherty family .
Hi
There’s quite a few threads on Marjory…. How are you connected?
Cheers
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Hi Blairvadach
My original profile was Greendoor and Marjory Docherty was my grandmother her parent where James & Margaret McGuire
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Hi Margaret,
I can update your original profile with your new email address, your other profile will have all your email alerts attached to it.
Regards
Sarah
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Hi Blairvadach
My original profile was Greendoor and Marjory Docherty was my grandmother her parent where James & Margaret McGuire
Hi Greendoor
Thanks for your message
I will post information in the next few days.
Regards
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Hi Sarah
That would be great.
Regards
Greendoor
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Hi Blairvadach
My original profile was Greendoor and Marjory Docherty was my grandmother her parent where James & Margaret McGuire
Hi Greendoor
The story of Marjory McGuire/ Docherty is quite confusing.
Marjory was born in 1886 and her parents were James McGuire and Margaret Docherty. James and Margaret married in 1882, he was 40 and Margaret was 35. James was a widow and it seems he already had 3 children. James and Margaret had another child, Margaret in 1888
Unfortunately Margaret died when she was 45 in 1894. Marjory was only a young girl when her mum died.
As you know Marjory married Toby in 1908 and they had a son John.
This marriage appears to have issues ( Toby was in and out of prison in Ireland)….
Marjory had an illegitimate child, Marjory in 1914. James Burns in recorded in the birth certificate. Marjory and James married in 1915.
They were both charged with bigamy in 1923. I know Toby also married someone else….
Marjory and James had several other children.
I of the opinion that it was Marjory Burns 1914 who had daughter Constance.
Marjory McGuire/Docherty/ Burns interchanged her surname for whatever reasons. For example she used her mother’s maiden name when she married Toby and used her grandmother’s name another time. Her death certificate says Docherty and that’s what we knew her as.
In some census’s her sister is living with her Devine grandparents.
Marjory at 14 was living with another family and working for them.
I have various certificates that I can share if you would like.
I hope this helps clarify some things for you.
Kind regards Tam
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All done I have just sent you a new password for your original profile.
Regards
Sarah
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Hi Blairvadach
Thank you for all the information some I knew and the other filled in missing blanks .
It makes more sense that Constance's mum was Marjory born 1914 and do you know anything about her as for some reason my mum (Constance ) name changed to Jean Lennox ?.
Many Thanks
Greendoor
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Hi Blairvadach
Thank you for all the information some I knew and the other filled in missing blanks .
It makes more sense that Constance's mum was Marjory born 1914 and do you know anything about her as for some reason my mum (Constance ) name changed to Jean Lennox ?.
Many Thanks
Greendoor
Hi Greendoor
This is Marjory’s birth certificate. (Attached)
Regards Tam
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Thanks for this I believe this to be my grandmother as dates and place look right.
Still trying to solve mystery as what happened to my mum as I have her living at Stirling road as Constance and then living as Jean Lennox at Townhead .
The plot thickens ???.
I take it that I'm related to your family !
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I've been following this thread with interest. I've been trying to find out what happened to Marjory Burns ( born 1914 ) but without success. I cannot find either a marriage record or a death record. She is on the 1921 Census Record living with her parents Marjory and James Burns, and brothers Edward and Martin but I can't trace anything beyond that. Does anyone know any more about her?
Her mother Marjory McGuire/Doherty/Wilders ( born 1886 ) and my grandmother were first cousins.
Bernard Docherty and Marjory Devine are my gt-gt- grandparents.