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Maurice Lothian was a solicitor in Edinburgh around the early 1900's. He was a cousin (?) to my great grandfather James Lothian who died Dublin.
Anyone has any information about him or the MacLellan (Uist) x Lothian connection?
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Hi jooms
Welcome to Rootschat :)
I don't know anything about him but I think this might be his death:
Maurice John Lothian, d. 15 January 1917, aged 67, single. 6 Blackford Avenue, Morningside. Parents - John Lothian, Solicitor, Supreme Courts, deceased and Marion MacEwen (possibly - bad writing), formerly Lothian, m.s. Macfie, deceased.
It should be possible for you to trace him back through the censuses to his birth circa 1850.
Gadget
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1901
marian mcewan age 82. b. leith. head.
maurice.j.lothian age 50. b. edin. occ. living on own means. stepson.
janet mcintyre age 58. b. moulin,perth. occ. dom.cook. servant.
catherine ramage age 53. b. lasswade. occ. dom. tablemaid. servant.
elizabeth mctherson age 39. b. kingussie. occ. dom. housemaid.
living at "redwood,spylaw road,edinburgh st.michael,midlothian.
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hi pal,
let me also welcome you to rootschat
1851 census- 15 calton terrace, leith south
john...age 45...justice of the peace, solictor in supreme court
marion...age 32
alice thorben lothian...dau...age 2
maurice j...age 10 months
1861 census- 15 calton terrace
marion...age 42...fundholder
maurice j...age 10
1881 census- glenlora house, lochwinnoch
john mcewan...age 79...landed proprietor
marion...age 62
maurice j lothian...stepson...age 30
1891 census- glenlora house,
marion...age 72...living on private means
joe
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1871
william.l.mcewan age 37. b. glasgow. occ. e.and w. indian merchant. head.
abis mcewan age 52. b. midlothian. step-mother.
john mcewan age 70. b. midlothian,howgate. occ. e. and w. indian moulder. father.
douglas mcewan age 3, b, glasgow. son.
maurice.d.mcewan age 2. b. glasgow. son.
m.j.lothian age 20. b. edinburgh,leith. occ. student of law at cambridge. step-brother.
living at 23,park circus,glasgow barony,lanarkshire.
there are also countless servants living there also.
also living in the house
maggie.m.smith age 22. b. paisley. daughter?
william.k.smith age 17. b. paisley. occ. commercial clerk. son.
emily smith age 15. b. glasgow. daughter.
jemina.c.smith age 13. b. glasgow. daughter.
lewis.o.smith age 11. b. glasgow. son.
alice.j.smith age 10. b. glasgow. daughter.
albert.a.smith age 7. b. glasgow. son.
i do not have access to the original image so cannot see if the smiths ages are correct though the eldest does'nt seem right
also i suppose they could have been living next door and been mistranscribed and have nothing to do with the mcewans.
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Maurice Lothian was a solicitor in Edinburgh around the early 1900's. He was a cousin (?) to my great grandfather James Lothian who died Dublin.
Anyone has any information about him or the MacLellan (Uist) x Lothian connection?
I'm wondering about the McLellan link - maybe the father's mother :-\
Gadget
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I think John must have died before 1855. All we know is that he and Marion were born Edinburgh. Can't find a definite birth for him though :-\
Gadget
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Hello jooms and a warm welcome,
From the IGI at:
http://www.familysearch.org
Banns called in each parish/marriage for:
Marion MACFIE (father John MACFIE) and John LOTHIAN, 25 Feb 1848, Liberton, Midlothin, Scotland
Marion MCFIE (father John MCFIE) and John LOTHIAN, 29 Feb 1848, South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland
John LOTHIAN and Marion MACFIE had:
Alice Thorburn LOTHIAN, bap 26 Jan 1849, Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland
Maurice John LOTHIAN, bap 18 Jun 1850, South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland
You can download these OPR records from (the pay-per-view) ScotlandsPeople site (though there may be no further information in the entries) at:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Regards,
JAP
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Probable birth for Marion.
Marion MACFIE, born 28 Oct 1818, South Leith, Midlothian, parents John MACFIE and Alison THORBURN.
John MACFIE marriage Allison THORBURN (father William THORBURN), 9 Nov 1810, South Leith, Midlothian
These parents had (at least) in South Leith (extracted entries - there are also some LDS submissions):
*Robina MACFIE b 20 Sep 1814
*Mary MACFIE b 15 Nov 1816
*Marion MACFIE b 28 Oct 1818
*John MACFIE bap 18 Jun 1820
*William MACFIE bap 26 Apr 1822
*Ann MACFIE bap 20 Jul 1830
*ELLISON_MACFIE bap 11 Dec 1828, mother's name listed as ELLISON_THORBURN
Probable birth for Alison (THORBURN) MACFIE:
Allison THORBURN, bap 30 Jun 1791, South Leith, parents William THORBURN & Robinna SCOTT
There's also an Ann THORBURN to the same parents 1786.
JAP
PS: Perhaps you already know all of the above ???
I note the following website with extensive information about the MACFIE family and with information about Maurice John LOTHIAN and also about Marion's second husband John MCEWEN:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~macfie/john_of_leith.html
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Hello again jooms,
If the information posted on this thread has been useful to you, that's great!
But, just in case it is stuff you already knew, could you please let us know what information you already hold about Maurice LOTHIAN and about James LOTHIAN of Dublin. In particular, do you know the approximate birthdate, the birthplace and the parentage of James LOTHIAN of Dublin.
If you do have further information, that would avoid duplication of effort and would also give us a head start as to what we really need to research in order to try to help :)
Best regards and good luck,
JAP
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Possible birth for John LOTHIAN (given census age of 45 in 1851 - what is his birthplace there?) is:
John LOTHIAN, bap 28 Feb 1802, Cranston Midlothian, parents John LOTHIAN & Jane TROTTER.
Births to these parents (all Cranston):
John LOTHIAN bap 28 Feb 1802
Peter LOTHIAN bap 15 Jan 1804
James LOTHIAN bap 20 Oct 1805
Elisabeth LOTHIAN bap 4 Oct 1807
David LOTHIAN bap 23 Jul 1809
JAP
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many thanks to all for the information . And my apologies - I forgot about this site until now.
Maurice John Lothian was nephew to Maurice Lothian Solicitor and Procurator Fiscal in midlothian. MJL was a pioneer/hunter in Matabeleland.
The daughter of Maurice Lothian married into the Blacks family (publishers) and the daughter Margaret Lothian Black married George Coats (Paislet threads) and later became Lady Glentaner.
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There's an entry for Maurice John Lothian in Alumni Cantabrigienses vol iv p.213 which gives his date of birth as 26 Mar 1850. According to his sister Alice's death certificate, his father John Lothian was deceased at the time of Alice's death (19 Feb 1856)
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After John Lothian's death, his widow Marion nee MacFie married 27 Sep 1865 John McEwen (b. Penicuik 29 Dec 1801 d. Renfrew 14 Nov 1887).
At 15 Carlton Terrace, on the 27th inst., by the Rev. Alexander McEwen, D.D., to Marion, widow of John Lothian, Esq., and daughter of the late John MacFie, Esq. (No cards)
Here's the 1871 census at 23 Park Circus, Glasgow (The Scotsman 29 Sep 1865 page 4)
McEwen Wm. L., Head, Marr, 37 yrs, EIA indian Merchant, Glasgow.
McEwen Douglas, son, 3 yrs, Glasgow.
McEwen Maurice L., son, 2 yrs, Glasgow.
McEwen John, Father, Marr, 70 yrs, EIA indian Merchant, Howgate, Midlothian.
Lothian M.J, step-bro, Un, 20 yrs, Student of law Cambridge, Edinburgh Leith.
McEwen Al--, step-mother, 52 yrs, Leith Midlothian.
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Many thanks to all for the information on the Lothian family. Is there anyone connected with the family?
My great great grandmother was Mary MacLellan (from Ormacleit, Uist), daughter of Penelope MacDonald and Captain Peter MacLellan. Penelope (buried at Howmore) was sister to Flora MacDonald (helped Prince Charles escape). Peter MacLellan was also from Uist and reputed in the family to have brought the first steamship up the Broomielaw. Mary MacLellan married a James Lothian, a marine engineer who had a business in Dublin. He died in Dublin and Mary MacLellan Lothian with her 6 children returned to live in Glasgow. 2 of her children, John and Archibald, lived with the MacLellan family in Uist, later in Tobermory and became farmers owning with their MacLellan cousins, farms on Uist, Vattersay, and Cumbernauld Palaceriggs. There was a letter (date unknown but about 100 years ago) sent by a Maurice Lothian, solicitor in Edinburgh which began "Dear Cousin". The letter has been destoyed and it is not known to whom it was addressed nor of its contents. The death certificate of James Lothian would have been issued in Dublin but so far no records. It is James Lothian who I am searching for. Where did he come from? Where was he born? Who were his parents? I have some information on his descendents that I can share particularly with anyone who has connections with this family.
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Oh my Gosh! I really seemed to have opened up a can of worms here.
My Peter McLellan married Stewart Mc/Mac Donald/donald in St Marys Cathederal Edinburgh 17 Jan 1813. They were catholics. Peter and Stewarts only daughter as far as I know was named Mary Lothian Mclellan she was born/baptised on 7 Oct 1819 at St Andrews in Glasgow.
I hope this helps us all somehow.
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That spelling of Macfie not uncommon on Uist.
Skoosh.