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I am a bit lost and am looking for help. Please! ???
I am trying to find a marraige cert for Hannah and Jno ?!? Moore. Could this be John? in 1841 census they are both 20 , and info on Jno is :
BORN- Northunmberland
PARISH - All Saints
HUNDRED - Tindale (west division) What does that mean ?
REG DISTRICT - Newcastle
SUB REG DISTRICT - All Saints.
Failing that , I am looking for the birth cert of their son , Thomas. On the 1851 census the info is :
AGE - 4
BORN- Northumberland , Newcastle
CIVIL PARISH - Byker
ECC PARISH - Byker
Any help would be greatly appriciated. Thank you , Thank you , Thank you !!!!
x :-*x :-*x :-*x :-*x !!!!!! (Mrst)
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How about a last name?
Would love to help!
Indi
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Duh...I see now that it is Moore......I'm OK!
Will start looking!
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Most likely marriage (names on same page)
Mar Q 1846
Durham
John Moore
Hannah Gill
but when checked on Durham site he married Isabel Hornsby :(
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Sooooo now on same page,
September 1843
John Moore
Hannah Mitchell
Gateshead 24 109
Unfortunately the online serch for Gateshead marriages start at 1845 so I can't see whether it was Hannah he married.
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Can't see any other likely ones in the area, Sunderland is a possibility in 1841 but a bit out of the way for Newcastle/Northumberland
His age in 1841 could be up to 25 as they rounded ages down to the nearest 5 ::)
If you order the cert and specify wife's name you shouldn't have to pay if it's the wrong lady.
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Hi
First of all Jno is John similar to Wm for William etc.
The term "Hundred" is an old term used to describe a geographic division and is rarely used these days. The link to Wikepedia is below. This gives an explanation.
Just to make sure that I'm looking at the right family in 1851, is Hannah a Mariners wife and as well as Thomas age 4, there is William age 6 and Charles age 2?
Some births & marriages in Northumberland are online. A John Moore married Hannah Wilson in 1840 at St Andrew, Newcastle. On FreeBMD John's surname is spelt Moor (Sept Qtr 1840) but on the Newcastle Gov site it is spelt Moore. The link below is a link to search the indexes. Its possible that Thomas's birth was registered as MOOR rather than MOORE. There is a Thomas MOOR born 1846 who could be yours. On FreeBMD its Sept Qtr so he would still have been 4 when the 1851 census was taken.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_(country_subdivision)
http://www.ndfhs.org.uk/RegIndex.html
Andy
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Just to complicate things a little bit more :
The Thomas Moore age 4, is living with mother Hannah age 29, (born Durham, wife of a mariner) and his 2 brothers, William age 6 and Charles age 2, in Byker on 1851 census.
In 1861 census, 4 Smiths Court, Byker, there is a :
Hannah Moore, Head, Widow, age 45, Fruiterer, born Hebron, Durham.
Thomas Moore, son, age 14, born Newcastle,
Charles Moore, son, age 11, born Newcastle,
Alexander Moore, son, age 9, born Newcastle,
Lindre Moore, son, age 6, born Newcastle,
Elizabeth Birril, mother, aged 68, born Barlow, Durham.
In earlier census Elizabeths name is spelt Burrell.
There is a marriage of a Hannah Burrell and a Charles Moore, Newcastle All Saints, Mar 1845.
The John Moore, wife Hannah, in 1841, is a Farmer. There is another John Moore and wife Hannah in 1851 census in Black Callerton, both aged 29, John is a Farm Agent. They have 3 children, but no Thomas.
Alan.
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Hi Wolfiesmith
On one of MRST's topics from some montha ago it seems that Burrell crops up as a middle name. If that is confirmed then your 1861 family seems likely and possibly Hannah as a Mariners wife in 1851 given that the children. match.
Andy
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Thank you so so much. Yes Hannah was a Mariners wife and all this ties in beautifully. My Great Grandfather was indeed Alexander Burrell Moore and my Mum has the same middle name. No one has a clue where it came from! I am so excited that I now have the answer!Going to phone her now!
With regards to Hannah being the head of the house now in 1861 she must have lost her husband and son , William in the space of ten years. Mind you , he would have been 16 , old enough to leave to look for work perhaps. Anyway chuffed to bits with your info , Thank you one and all you are all fab!!
Mrst :-*
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What kind of name is Lindre? Never heard of that before ?
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Most likely:
Births Mar Q 1857
MOORE Lindsay Newcastle Tyne 10b 57
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These are the earlier census I referred to :
1851 census, York St., Byker,
Alexander Burrell, Head, age 62, Cartman, born Long Row, Co. Durham,
Elizabeth Burrell, Wife, age 59, born Barlow, Co. Durham,
1841 census, Byker Bay,
Alexander Burrell, age 50, Cartman,
Elizabeth Burrell, age 45,
Thomas Burrell, age 20, Ropemaker,
Hannah Burrell, age 17,
Alexander Burrell, age 13, Cartman,
Joseph Burrell, age 5.
All are given as "Y" for born in Northumberland, but its surely them.
Alan.
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Thats fantastic Alan!!
Its got to be them , two of Hannahs children have the same names as the brothers.
Havent I done well tonight?!?!
You are a star
Cheers!
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Hi
According to the online index of Newcastle marriages, Hannah BURRELL married Charles MOORE at All Saints in 1845. If Hannah's husband was Charles, where does the name John MOORE come from?
Andy
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Oh Pants....
Well , on the 1851 census , Hannah age 29 is living with her three sons , William Thomas and Charles. Hmm theres the name Charles! It states that she is a mariners wife.
On the 1841 census , there is a Hannah and Jno Moore both aged 20 , living in All saints parish with no kids. I presumed that to be her but now you mention it the 1851 and 1871 census for her and the kids are both for Byker Parish.
What should I do now? Try for her death cert to get the husbands name? She died a widow but her Husband would still be on it wouldnt he?
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Hi
At this stage I wouldn't worry about Hannah's death certificate as it may have no reference to her husband. English death certificates are unfortunately nowhere near as informative as a Scottish one.
Since you have Hannah's maiden name, Burrell, from her mother in the 1861 census, and Hannah is still at home in the 1841 census as Wolfiesmith says then that rules out the Hannah & John Moore that you refer to in your first message.
Unlike FreeBMD, the Newcastle Government website has spouse details which confirm that a Hannah Burrell married Charles Moore in Newcastle in 1845.
One way to confirm Hannah's husbands name would be to either get a copy of Thomas's marriage certificate
Andy