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Title: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: Tephra on Sunday 04 November 07 14:03 GMT (UK): This is a continuation of Deb USA Scavenger Hunt, Please read through the previous thread and then join in. It's a challenge, trust me. ;D ;D

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,265094.0.html
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: davidpinkney on Sunday 04 November 07 15:23 GMT (UK): I did find this marriage of a Thompson to a Penfold

Patience Thompson to Thomas Penfold sep qtr 1871, Wareham, 5a 528
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: hepburn on Sunday 04 November 07 15:50 GMT (UK): Hi david,
I think we're after Maria Penfold.I don't have any censuse's so I don't know what Mr Thompsons christian name is...
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: toni* on Sunday 04 November 07 16:20 GMT (UK): this is Marias marriage:~

Maria Penfield (sic)
Henry Thompson

Q4 1853 Southampton 2c 16
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: toni* on Sunday 04 November 07 16:51 GMT (UK): have we got these Cornwall bapt.?

Thomas Alfred PENFOLD Madron 15-Oct 1865
s/o Robert a Hawker & Louisa address, Sojourner in Madron

Alfred PENFOLD Tuckingmill 05-Nov 1879
s/o Edward a Traveller & Rachel (nee Hollands) add. Tuckingmill

Charlotte PENFOLD born 09 Feb 1880 bapt. 11 Feb 1880 at Helston
d/o Robert (a Hawker) & Lousia Penfold add. Helston

Nelson Penfold b. 15.02.1883 bapt. 13 May 1883 at Helston
s/o Thomas (a showman)& Sophia PENFOLD
bapt. at Helston of Plymouth

William PENFOLD Born 9 May 1893bapt. 10-Dec 1894 at Tuckingmill
s/o John a Travelling Hawker & Delia add. Tuckingmill Hill

John PENFOLD Born 3 Dec 1894 bapt. 10 Dec 1894 at Tuckingmill
s/o John a Travelling Hawker & Delia of Tuckingmill HIll

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did you have all the details of Edward Penfold & Mary Ann Orchards marriage?
18 Jun 1899 Calstock by banns
Edward Penfold age 21 a bachelor of Calstock father Thomas a licensed hawker
Mary Ann Orchard 19 a Spinster of Calstock father Henry a licensed hawker
both bride and groom made their mark
witnesses were Christopher Penfold & Eliza Penfold
Other information:
All marked. Signatures attested by W Alan Gardner, John Stone Blake (not sure what this bit means)

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burials:

St. Erth 20-May 1873
Defiance PENFOLD, of St Erth age 8 months

Helston 15-May 1875
Tennant PENFOLD of Helston age 6 mos

Helston 19-Jan 1881
Louisa PENFOLD of Helston age 44 yrs
(wife of Robert mother of Charlotte??)
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: hepburn on Sunday 04 November 07 17:09 GMT (UK): Toni,
as far as I know we still don't have Defiance Penfold in 1881...this where it gets tricky,there is Defiance and Fiance both born 1872.(I think Ive got that right)..
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: toni* on Sunday 04 November 07 19:03 GMT (UK): love the poppy hepburn, great idea.

i couldn't find a birth for Defiance 1872 in teh full BMD :-\

only these two

PENFOLD Defiance Plymouth. 5b 212 Q3 1902
PENFOLD Defiance mmn. Orchard Holsworthy.5b ? Q2 1915

and for Fiance

PENFOLD Fiance Redruth. 5c 240 Q3 1872
PENFOLD Fiance Totnes. 5b 182 Q4 1877
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: toni* on Sunday 04 November 07 19:25 GMT (UK): William who i could not place to a family eariler

to recap
1871 - No2 Seaway Lane, Abbotsbury, Dorset RG10/2008 13 18
Penfold
William - head - 38 - brush maker and licensed hawker - Woodgroom, Hants
Pricilla - wife - 39 - N.K
Pricilla - dau - 16 - Portsmouth
Charlotte - dau - 15 - Portsmouth
Amos - son - 8 - Shirley
Henry - son - 6 - ditto
Hollis - dau - 5 - Portsmouth
Patience - dau - 3 - ditto
Rachel - dau - 1 - ditto
Patience Tomson - sister in law - 22 - Sho?, Sussex

is here in 1881:~
Wareham Road Caravan Bere Regis Dorset
RG11 2102 55 21

William Penfold 48 head male married b. woodgreen hamps. hawker traveller
Priscilla Penfold 48 wife female married b. portsmouth hamps
Robert Penfold 22 son male married b. shirley hants hawker *
Henry Penfold 21 son male b. shirley hawker
Esther Penfold 18 dau.inlaw f married b. rye *
Olive Penfold 17 dau. f b.portsmouth
Patience Penfold 14 dau. f b. portsmouth
Rachel Penfold 12 dau. f b.portsmouth
Robert Penfold 6 Son Male b. North Perrott, Somerset
Frederick Penfold 2 son male b. lymington hants.

i still cannot tell who he belongs to i.e s/o can you?
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: toni* on Sunday 04 November 07 20:42 GMT (UK): children of John Penfold & Harriet James in the 1881 census

1881 census for Robert Penfold (not sure who his father is though!)

RG11; 2127; 48; 4
Winkwell Axminster
(in the Bowridge Household)

Robert 40 Lodger (Head) male married b.weymouth Hawker of Brushes & c......
Priscilla 38 wife b. honiton hawker of brushes & c
Alfred 6 son b. Whitchurch hawker of brushes & c
Ester 4 dau. b. Whitchurch hawker of brushes & c
Laura dau. b. whitchurch do.

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1881 for Charlotte Gess (Geuss) nee Penfold

RG11 2205 64 62
Pheonix Street, Pheonix Foundry (in a caravan)

Henry Gess 44 head male married b. Brackenleigh sussex licensed hawker
Charlotte 41 wife marr. b. Weymouth
Elizabeth 18 dau. b. Guersney channel islands
Henry 15 son b. St Mary Church Devon
Patience 10 dau. b. cornwall
Pheobe 8 dau. b. Brixham
Mary 6 dau. b. Plymouth
Rebecca 3 dau. b. Torquay
Frederick Oldridge 21 male b. plymouth Lodger
Rosy Oldridge 17 female b. do. lodger

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Elizabeth Orchard nee Penfold b. 1846 in 1881:~
RG11 2296 4 1
West Side of Fair Street Caravan St Columb Major

Edwin Orchard 37 head male b. Ledbury married licensed hawker
Elizabeth Orchard 35 Wife Female born: Poole, Married
Defiance Orchard 10 dau, b, Tavistock scholar
Charlotte Orchard 6 dau. b. Illogan scholar
Robert Orchard 4 son b.plymouth
Edwin Orchard 2 son b. Plymouth
Thomas Orchard 1 son b. Falmouth
Louisa Orchard dau. b. Helston

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1881 for Henry Penfold b.1851 & Ocean Hughes transcribed as Pruforld
RG11 2243 80 36
Caravans Barnstaple

Henry PenfoldAge: 29 Head Male born: Bridgewater, Married Licsenced Hawker (Buskers)
Ocean 28 wife female b. honiton married
Betsey 9 dau. b. paignton
Henry 5 son b. exeter
Trefiance / Defiance dau. age 3 b. Paignton
John son b. barnstaple
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Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: davidpinkney on Sunday 04 November 07 22:17 GMT (UK): Not that i'm bored of this one but when does the next hunt start and whose is it?

David
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: hepburn on Sunday 04 November 07 22:18 GMT (UK): Toni,
thanks re: Poppy.
Right this is what I was on about...
Fiance Penfold,Redruth Sept' qtr 1872 5c 240.....FreeBMD.
Defiance Penfold, 22 Sept' 1872 Truro, parents Robert and Louisa....IGI info'...so what is that all about,any idea's????
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: hepburn on Sunday 04 November 07 22:19 GMT (UK): Hi Dave,
it starts on Tuesday,I'll have a look..
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: Tephra on Sunday 04 November 07 22:29 GMT (UK): Good Morning or Evening depending on where you are. The next Hunt is on Tuesday night Wednesday morning .. again depending on where you are. It should be Pels, but we may have a bit of difficulty getting the details together. If not Pels, then DJFrench and Pels the week after.

Barbara
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: hepburn on Sunday 04 November 07 22:30 GMT (UK): Please note the links and new names.

WEEK 1. Nanny Jan http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,260560.0.html

WEEK 2. Geniecolgan http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,262119.0.html

WEEK 3. Lydart

WEEK 4. Dee http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,263507.0.html

WEEK 5. CathyMJP

WEEK 6 DebUSA

WEEK 7 Ricky1

WEEK 8. Pels

WEEK 9. DJFrench

WEEK 10 Gadget

WEEK 11 g a r

WEEK 12 KerryB

WEEK 13. Alllegs

WEEK 14 EDO

WEEK 15 Indiapaleale

WEEK 16 Miagre

WEEK 17 Hepburn

WEEK 18 Meles

WEEK 19 Ozlady

WEEK 20 PrueM

WEEK 21 Behindthefrogs

WEEk 22 KazzaQLD

WEEK 23 Patrish

WEEK 24 DavidPinkney

WEEK 25 Toni*

Barbara,.....recap on your list...
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: Tephra on Sunday 04 November 07 22:36 GMT (UK): Thanks for that. I'll have to add a new link for Deb's first Hunt.

Barbara
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: davidpinkney on Sunday 04 November 07 22:38 GMT (UK): Ah good, many more searches to come ;D
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 04 November 07 22:44 GMT (UK): When Deb gets back from her celebrating with her husband, she is going to need a quiet day to catch up on reading all the information posted! ;D ;D ;D

......dee
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: Tephra on Sunday 04 November 07 23:24 GMT (UK): And it just keeps on flowing in .......... I'm astounded at the amount of info found by everybody ......... It's downright brilliant.

Well done everybody.

Barbara
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: hepburn on Sunday 04 November 07 23:28 GMT (UK): All down to your Idea Barbara ;D
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: Tephra on Sunday 04 November 07 23:42 GMT (UK): Thanks Hepburn :-*

It just seemed to me there are so many brilliant minds on RC why not get them joined up in ONE hunt .......... and it's working.

Barbara
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: toni* on Monday 05 November 07 09:53 GMT (UK): Quote from: hepburn on Sunday 04 November 07 17:09 GMT (UK)
Toni,
as far as I know we still don't have Defiance Penfold in 1881...this where it gets tricky,there is Defiance and Fiance both born 1872.(I think Ive got that right)..

i think that debs said back in part 1 that they were not the same but having trawled through part 1 again i canntop see it, will have to wait for Deb to ask again.

as we can't find Defiance in 1881 can we find Fiance?

(there is a Defiance in 1881 but she belongs to henry Penfold & Ocean Hughes)
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: toni* on Monday 05 November 07 10:05 GMT (UK): Defiance Penfold died age 0 Q2 1873 Penzance 5c 186

who was she?
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 05 November 07 10:13 GMT (UK): Tony, on the first thread I found something about a Defiance Penfold.....and Deb told me who she was......but I can't remember which page it was on.......I'll try and find it.....

.....dee
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 05 November 07 10:23 GMT (UK): I found the baptism...it is Defiance, daughter of Robert and Louisa! Did she survive or was it her that died.....

Defiance Penfold....the daughter of Robert & Louisa....Truro St Mary's .....22 Sep 1872

.....dee
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: hepburn on Monday 05 November 07 10:44 GMT (UK): so is it Defiance daughter of Robert and Louisa who died in 1873,Deb said it wasn't because she had her in the 1891,does she have her being the daughter of Robert and Louisa,if not then the death must be right..
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: deb usa on Monday 05 November 07 14:11 GMT (UK): Hellllooooooooooooo everyone ;D

What can I say , except thank you, thank you, thank you, one and all !!!!
how brilliant everyone has been ... This rather large family of mine seems to have grown somewhat since I left ... :o :o :o Not only do I have more info but I am sure this thread is going to help other Penfold/Orchard researchers !!!! :D

I have read through , but need to do it again (and again, and again) in order to figure out the extended family ....

you guys are wonderful ...I appreciate everything :-* :-* :-*

deb
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: Tephra on Monday 05 November 07 14:20 GMT (UK): I don't think they've finished yet Deb .......... ;D ;D ;D

Barbara
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: deb usa on Monday 05 November 07 14:30 GMT (UK): Barbara .... LOL ... yep we still have loads to find .... I need to be on top of my game here, in order to keep up ..... ;D ......

re: My Defiance ... she is 19 in 1891 and is with Thomas and Sophia ...so it had to be Robert and Louisa's Defiance that died. :-\

deb
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: deb usa on Monday 05 November 07 19:04 GMT (UK): hi everyone...

Back again .... had lots to catch up on .... now trying to wrap my brain around the Penfolds again ::)

Toni has mentioned that there is a William Penfold who we cannot place ...

Maria Penfold (d/o John and Charlotte, sister of john Penfold (1809) and Robert (1816) , she was b c 1831 Hampshire.

Maria Penfold = Henry THOMPSON (1861 she is living with her brother Robert, b 1816)

William Penfold , who we cannot place , was b c 1833 Hants... he married Priscilla THOMPSON (1871: he has s-i-l Patience Thomson living with him )

What if William b 1833 is another sibling of John 1809, Robert 1816, Maria 1831...ie he one of the last children of John Penfold who Married Charlotte??

I hope I am making sense .... ::) :-\
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: toni* on Monday 05 November 07 19:22 GMT (UK): shall i put the summary on here ?
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: deb usa on Monday 05 November 07 19:33 GMT (UK): Hi toni

Thanks for all your hard work ... I think a summary here would be good ... at the moment I am trawling through part 1 to see if we have missed anything ... ::)....or if there is anything that could be added .....

at the moment we seem to have 3 Branches. possibly 4, stemming from John Penfold snr = Charlotte ??

1. John Penfold 1809 = Harriet James 1814

2. Robert Penfold 1816 = Amelia Page

3. Maria Penfold 1831 = Henry Thom(p)son

and hopefully ..

4.William Penfold b 1833 = Pri(s)cilla Thom(p)son

What to you think of the no.4 line

deb :)
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: toni* on Monday 05 November 07 19:50 GMT (UK): it certainly looks as though he (William) belongs to the family but we need to find his bapt. or him with other clear family members in the census to confirm.

i don't have access to ancestry but can anyone find John (senior) & Charlotte in 1841 with children particulary Maria should be there and hopefully William
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: hepburn on Monday 05 November 07 20:18 GMT (UK): http://www.penfold.org.uk/ind100.html

Quick Deb have a look at this,it says Charlotte Gunn...is it our Charlotte???
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: deb usa on Monday 05 November 07 20:29 GMT (UK): Hepburn .....arrgghhhhhhhhh ...not mine ....

John Penfold = Charlotte??...one of their first children , My John (who married Harriet James ) was b c 1809

so John snr and Charlotte b c 1780's..... Charlotte gunn in your link b c 1831.

Thanks though hepburn ... ;D

deb :)
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 05 November 07 20:35 GMT (UK): I can't find them in 1841.....but I am not giving up yet, Deb-twin! ;)

......dee
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: deb usa on Monday 05 November 07 20:49 GMT (UK): hi deetwin ;D
Nice to see you ! :-*

I have searched 1851 ...thinking it may be easier ...nothing as of yet! will have a go with 1841...arggghhhh :-\

deb
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: davidpinkney on Monday 05 November 07 21:03 GMT (UK): I'm looking through 1841 now, do you think they should be in Devon?

David
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: hepburn on Monday 05 November 07 21:25 GMT (UK): http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PENFOLD/2001-03/0985478421

have you seen this Deb?
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 05 November 07 21:53 GMT (UK): Hi Hepburn,

Those Penfolds are the family of the Penfold that started Penfolds Wines.

http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A050476b.htm

I posted something on the other thread about their family tree.....several ministers of religion etc......

.....dee
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: toni* on Monday 05 November 07 22:02 GMT (UK): Quote from: hepburn on Monday 05 November 07 21:25 GMT (UK)
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PENFOLD/2001-03/0985478421

have you seen this Deb?

i think thats Charlotte Brooks m. John Penfold 4 Oct 1792 Steyning

i'm not sure there is anything that links these Penfolds with the Sussex Penfolds, it looks like the Sussex Penfolds stayed in Sussex having children.
while Debs John & Charlotte were having children atthe same time but all over the place!

the first confirmed County is Hampshire and then they went west after that.
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: hepburn on Monday 05 November 07 22:03 GMT (UK): Ooooooh Dee,
I'm losing the plot ??? ???
I think I'll call it a night.....well at least for ten minutes.. ;D
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 05 November 07 22:10 GMT (UK): I'm running out of ways to search the 1841 Census..... ::) :(

.....dee
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: bearkat on Monday 05 November 07 22:16 GMT (UK): There is a baptism for a William PENFOLD, son of John and Charlotte of Hythe, Kent - 11th May 1834 at Hale, Hampshire.
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: deb usa on Monday 05 November 07 22:23 GMT (UK): ;D

I am back now ...have had stuff happening ...

I also think that the Sussex Penfolds , may only be Extended family from way back....

the fact that we cannot find my Penfolds in 1851 makes it all the harder to place them . As for the later censuses, I think by that time they had so many children that they were forgetting were they had been born.

Maria d/o John snr and Charlotte?? was b c 1831 in Hampshire. John jnr = Harriet James had their first son Robert in 1832 in Hampshire. arrghhh I have no clue where they all would be ..... Mine did seem to head west ... i would think they were in hampshire still....

helppppppppppp :-\ ::)

deb

OOO Bear just seen your post ...

so William b c 1833, Hampshire (the guy we cannot place , who married priscilla Thom(p)son) is hopefully another branch ... :o ;D :D :-*
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: bearkat on Monday 05 November 07 22:33 GMT (UK): Quote from: deb usa on Monday 05 November 07 19:04 GMT (UK)

What if William b 1833 is another sibling of John 1809, Robert 1816, Maria 1831...ie he one of the last children of John Penfold who Married Charlotte??

I've not been following all this I'm afraid but as well as the baptism for William I posted earlier I have found 2 further children baptised in Hampshire for John & Charlotte PENFOLD

Maria PENFOLD 3rd July 1831 at Brockenhurst
Olivia PENFOLD 29th March 1829 at Porchester
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: toni* on Monday 05 November 07 22:48 GMT (UK): ok brief Summary:

John Penfold & Charlotte Unknown (Is Unknown a real surname?)
children:
John b. 1809 Warminster Wilts
(missing children?)
Robert b.1816 Bremer Wilts
(Missing children?)
Olivia bapt 29 March 1829 Porchester (new line new line)
Maria b. 1831 Brockenhurst Hamts
William b. 1833 Woodgreen Hants (not confirmed as yet)
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John Pinfold (sic) b.1809 Warminster m. Harriett James b.1814 Kingsclere 02 Aug 1831 Pimperne Dorset (IGI Batch M159791)
children:~
Robert b.1832 m. Fiance Smith
Sarah Harriett bapt. 03 Nov 1833 St Nicholas Brighton under the name of Pennifold m. James Unknwon (not confirmed child of John & Harriet looking like she was not their child but have listed her here in case)
John b.1834 m. Charlotte Unknown.
William b.1836 m. Diane Sophie hewson
Charlotte b. 1838 m. Henry Geuss /Gess 1858
Thomas b.1841 m. Sohia / Soffia Orchard
Elizabeth (aka Betsey) b. 1845/6 m. Edwin orchard b. Ledbury 1844 m 15 April 1871
Alfred b. 1849 m. Louisa Small b. 1851 m. 15 April 1871
Henry b. 1851/2 m. Ocean Hughes b.1851 Honiton
Edward b.1853 m. Rachel Holland
1861 census RG9 1601 40 30
1871 census RG10 2148 41 16

Harriett James d/o Thomas James & harriett Palmer m. 23 Dec 1808 Kingsclere. (not sure here but Thomas could have been the son of Henry James b. 14 Nov 1790 s/o Robert & Eleanor) other children of Thomas James & harriett Palmer are:
Thomas James b. 1815 m. Mary Jane Holland (son Joseph james appear son 1871 with HarriettPenfold nee James)
Priscilla b.1816c
John James b. 1819c
Eliza b.1825c
Rebecca b.1830c.
(missing children)
1851 for Thomas & Harriett James (nee Palmer)Corscombe Dorset
1861 do. Chcikerell Dorset (with Rebecca James and John James grandson poss. Rebeccas child???)
a sibling of Harriett Palmers: (harriet James mother)
John Palmer m. Dinah Pointer 11 Oct 1787 Kingsclere

Robert b. 1816 Bremer Wilts m. Amelia Page 26 Dec 1836 Bishops Waltham Hampshire (IGI)
children:~
Robert M 1838 Southampton
(missing children?)
Thomas b. 1849 Exeter
James b.1850 bridgwater
Ollof b.1853 Withridge
Henry b.1855 Yeovil
Elizabeth b.1859 Dorchester
Pricilla 6 monthes on 1861 census (b. late 1860)
1871 census RG10 2008 13 18
1881 census RG11 2086 159 22

Maria Penfold b. 1831 Brockenhurst bapt. 03 July 1831 (IGI I013764) m. Henry Thompson Q4 1853 Southampton 2c 16
child Henry Thompson b.1855 Prath (age 6 in 1861)
1861 census living with brother Robert
Maria Thompson age 29 born Brockners, Hampshire sister (of Robert) and hawker
Henry 6 born Prath nephew (of Robert)

William Penfold b. 1833 Woodgreen/groom hants m. Pricilla Thompson b.1832c
children:~
Pricilla - b. 1855 Portsmouth
Charlotte -b.1856 do.
Amos - b.1863 Shirley
Robert b. 1864 do. m. Esther Unk.
Henry - b.1865 - do.
Hollis - b. 1866 Portsmouth (Olive)
Patience - b.1868 - do
Rachel - b.1870- do.
Robert b.1875 North Perrott
Frederick b.1879 Lymington.
1871 RG10 2008 13 18
also at address in 1871 Patience Tomson - sister in law - 22 - Sho?(shoreham?), Sussex
1881 RG11 2102 55 21
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to be continued with the next generation!
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: toni* on Monday 05 November 07 23:15 GMT (UK): forgot to say that William b.1833 is living atthe same place as Robert b.1816 in 1871
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ok this is where it gets confusing!

Charlotte b. 1838 d/o John Pinfold & Harriett James m. Henry Gess in 1891 were in Battersea with children Mary age 16 b. Helston, Rebecca 14 b. Plymouth & Alfred 9 b. Helston

Thomas b. 1841 s/o John Pinfold & Harriett James m. Sophia/Soffia Orchard b. 1846c. in South Molton Q2 1866
children
William 1871 m. Bessie Palmer
Defiance 1872 (she appears in the 1891 census aged 19 but where was she before?)
John b.1874
Christoanna 1875c
Christopher b.1877
Edward 1879
Soffia 1881
Nelson 1883
Elizabeth 1885
Harriett 1887
Missia 1890
Selina bapt. 22 feb 1891 Par cornwall (IGI, under Pinfold)

Henry b. 1851 (s/o JOhn Pinfold & Harriett James) m. Ocean Hughes had a lot of children Betsy, Defiance, Orfius John Noah Vashti Albert Leonard (leonard m. another Sophia Orchard) sophie william & caroline

Thomas b. 1849 s/o Robert & Amelia m. Patience Unk. children, Patience, Robert P, Elizabeth, 1881 census RG11 2086 160 23

James b. 1850 s/o Robert & Amelia m. Priscilla Unk. children, Priscilla, John, patience 1881 census RG11 2086 160 23

Henry b.1855 bapt. Henry son of Robert & Amelia Penfold Hawker 15 June 1855 at Lytchett Minster
s/o Robert & Amelia m. Charlotte Unk. children Henry, William, Charlotte, Amelia 1881 census RG11 2086 160 23
(all separate households)

Edward b. 1853 s/o John & harriett, m. Rachel Holland Jun 1/4 1875 Crediton 5b 684
1901 census
RG13/2181 70 12
Truscott Tweenways Road
St Stephen by Lauceston
PENFOLD Edward Head 48 Mar b Cornwall Hawker and Horse Dealer
PENFOLD R Wife 46 Mar b Devon
PENFOLD John Son 19 b Somerset
PENFOLD L Son 16 b Devon
PENFOLD J Son 13 b Devon
PENFOLD H Dau 9 b Devon
PENFOLD T Son 7 b Somerset
PENFOLD C Son 6 b Somerset
PENFOLD M Son 5 b Somerset
(full details posted as initials and sex only given for children)
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and the next generation.

William b. 1871 (s/o Thomas & Sophia) m. Bessie Palmer Falmouth 8 jan 1898
Children:
John b 1897 d 1922
Christianna b june q 1898 d Sept q 1898
Thomas b sept q 1899 Truro
Christopher b Mar q 1901 Truro
Sophia b sept q 1902 =william Barron
William b sept q 1904 Truro
Edward b Mar 1908 Truro
Nelson b June q 1910 Truro = Pearlie Hawkins
Walter b Jun 1912 Truro = no.1 Marjorie?? (3 kids), no.2 Muriel?? (2 kids)
Violet Venie b 19 March 1914 = Thomas Philip James Debs grandparents
Stanley Moses b 1815

There were other children too ... Miselli who supposedly died young,
Minnie died 2001
Renie Penfold b ?? = Bill Crutchley
Harold b 1920 ?

Edward (s/o Thomas & Sophia) b. 1879 - 1901 censusRG13/2181 71 13 Truscott Tweenways Road
Edward 1879c m. Florence Mabel Whitcombe from Meare in 1913 Florence d. 1917 and Edward remarried Elizabeth Whitcombe

John 1874c.(s/o Thomas & Sophia) m. Ellen Small
children:~
Mark, Eliza John Vashtie Missellie Genty Edward Priscilla Harriet Sophie Helen

Christiana 1875c. d/o Thomas & Sophia Cornwall Grampound m. William Orchard s/o John Orchard & Sarah Q1 1898 St Austell (source BMD)
children:~
Edmund 1900c Calstock
Joseph 1901c Mary Tavy
1901 - RG13/2121 8 8

Christopher 1877 s/o Thomas & Sophia m. Carnation Richards 14 Nov 1903 , child : Edward/Eddy he was 3 when his mum died.
Carnation Richards d/o Justinyen/Justinian Richards, she died age 23 , 17 jan 1906 , of acute TB
Christopher Penfold then married for a 2nd time ...to Mariah/Maria BOSWELL

Nelson b.1883 s/o Thomas & Sophia m. 1904 to Lavinia Richards or Hannah Rush (need to cert to confirm who but there are briths for Penfold/Richards children 1911-1920 but none for Penfold/Rush)

Elizabeth b c 1885 = William Orchard 1908, Stratton Cornwall

Harriett 1887 m. William Small 1915 Plymouth (source Romanygenes) sorry ishe could have been this marriage :-\Harriett Penfold Henry Buckland 1896 Plympton/ Devon (Father Tenant Buckland )

Selina Penfold 1891 Joshua Buckland 1887 Totnes Devon ( father was Plato Buckland ) (Source Romanygenes)
~~~~~~~~--
Genty Penfold d/o John & ellen nee Small m. John Albert James s/o Vashtie James
children:
John William Vashtie Jenty Liberty

i think thats what we got for now.
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Post by: deb usa on Tuesday 06 November 07 00:02 GMT (UK): HOLY MOLY toni ...I am making you a honourary PENFOLD !!! ;D ;D

Fabulous job !

Bearkat...thanks so much ... I think you may have found another branch of John snr and Charlotte?? ...some of the extended family have called their girls Olive ...altho it appears on the census as Hollif/Oliff etc

need to re-read .... great work everyone ... woohoooooo .....

deb :D
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Post by: sdbadger on Tuesday 06 November 07 00:13 GMT (UK): Deb:

You know I'm constantly looking for your PENFOLDs!

May I please be added to the list?

Thanks!

badger
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Post by: deb usa on Tuesday 06 November 07 00:24 GMT (UK): BADGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG ;D ;D

nice to see you here ... different pace than rootschat ... people here are fabulous :D :D

okay ...this is MY turn .... your name will definitely go on the list for hard to find people ...

i will call you

deb
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Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 06 November 07 00:51 GMT (UK): Deleted.....Bearkat had already posted....... :-[

But is this the baptism of John and Harriet Penfold's daughter Charlotte ?

Charlotte Penfold daughter of John & Harriett Penfold was baptised 2 Sep 1838 at North Stoneham, Hampshire
.....dee
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Post by: Tephra on Tuesday 06 November 07 05:56 GMT (UK): Hi Badger, welcome to our Scavenger Hunts I'll add your name to the list now.

Barbara
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Post by: sdbadger on Tuesday 06 November 07 06:09 GMT (UK): Thanks very much!
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Post by: toni* on Tuesday 06 November 07 08:32 GMT (UK): Quote from: deeiluka on Tuesday 06 November 07 00:51 GMT (UK)
Deleted.....Bearkat had already posted....... :-[

But is this the baptism of John and Harriet Penfold's daughter Charlotte ?

Charlotte Penfold daughter of John & Harriett Penfold was baptised 2 Sep 1838 at North Stoneham, Hampshire
.....dee

well done 8)
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Post by: toni* on Tuesday 06 November 07 08:46 GMT (UK): Quote from: deb usa on Tuesday 06 November 07 00:02 GMT (UK)
HOLY MOLY toni ...I am making you a honourary PENFOLD !!! ;D ;D
deb :D

it made a welcome break to my Holmans , i shall be back onto them soon. ;D
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Post by: Tephra on Tuesday 06 November 07 08:50 GMT (UK): Pels has started her Scavenger Hunt ..........One person missing in 1851 and 71. Should be easy ............ ::) ::) ::)

Barbara
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Post by: Tephra on Tuesday 06 November 07 08:51 GMT (UK): By the way ........... I'm getting a special medal made for Toni ... ;D...... for all the summaries. Magnificent job.

Barbara
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Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 06 November 07 08:59 GMT (UK): Tonie deserves at least that, Barbara! :D :D

A question for Toni......I have been right the way through all 3 of Deb's Penfold threads and copied all the baptisms into a list.

Would it be a good idea to post that on here?

......dee
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Post by: toni* on Tuesday 06 November 07 09:03 GMT (UK): hi, yes it would be a good idea so we can see where they were actaully born (i'm not sure they knew themselves half the time) and also so we don't duplicate them.

perhaps Debs can digest the info. and let us know (a list of) what she still needs for example

Thomas & Soffia in 1881 census
bapt. of John b.1809 Warminster
etc etc
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Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 06 November 07 09:19 GMT (UK): Here are all the Baptisms gleaned from the three of Deb's Penfold threads.......

IGI.
PINFOLD Selina, bap 22 Feb 1891, Par Cornwall, father Tom Pinfold, mother Sophia Pinfold.

Sarah Harriet PENNIFOLD, bap 3 Nov 1833, Saint Nicholas, Brighton, Sussex

Maria Penfold christened 3 jul 1831, Brockenhurst, Hampshire (batch 1013764) Parents John Penfold and Charlotte

Defiance Penfold baptised in Truro
parents Robert and Louisa
P0096361

Robert PENFOLD, bap 22 Jun 1832, parents John & Harriet, Up Nately, Hampshire

Free Reg
Defiance Penfold....daughter of Robert & Louisa....Truro St Mary's .....22 Sep 1872

Dorset OCP
Henry son of Robert & Amelia Penfold Hawker 15 June 1855 at Lytchett Minster

Elizabeth daughter of Robert & Amelia Penfold Pedlar 1 Jan 1860 at Chickerell

St Enoder Baptisms

21 Sep 1882, Edward PENFOLD, son of Edward and Rachel, Hawker at Summercourt Fair, Plymouth usual abode.

Nelson Penfold b. 15.02.1883 bapt. 13 May 1883 at Helston
s/o Thomas (a showman)& Sophia PENFOLD
bapt. at Helston of Plymouth

William PENFOLD Born 9 May 1893bapt. 10-Dec 1894 at Tuckingmill
s/o John a Travelling Hawker & Delia add. Tuckingmill Hill

John PENFOLD Born 3 Dec 1894 bapt. 10 Dec 1894 at Tuckingmill
s/o John a Travelling Hawker & Delia of Tuckingmill Hill

Hampshire FHO
baptisms for children of John & Charlotte PENFOLD
Maria PENFOLD 3rd July 1831 at Brockenhurst
Olivia PENFOLD 29th March 1829 at Porchester
William PENFOLD, son of John and Charlotte of Hythe, Kent - 11th May 1834 at Hale

Charlotte Penfold D of John & Harriett Penfold baptised 2 Sep 1838 at North Stoneham

Hope I didn't miss any.....

.....dee
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Post by: toni* on Tuesday 06 November 07 09:25 GMT (UK): Quote from: deeiluka on Tuesday 06 November 07 09:19 GMT (UK)
Defiance Penfold baptised in Truro
parents Robert and Louisa
P0096361

Free Reg
Defiance Penfold....daughter of Robert & Louisa....Truro St Mary's .....22 Sep 1872

she died aged 0 in Penzance Q2 1873 5c 186
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Post by: Tephra on Thursday 08 November 07 23:02 GMT (UK): OK, it looks like this has come to a halt, so it will be moved to the Travellers Board shortly.

I'll put a link on the main Scavenger Hunt list.

Thank you everyone for taking part and making it so interesting.

Barbara
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Post by: matilda1973 on Friday 09 November 07 10:07 GMT (UK): Hi Debs
only just found this havent been about for a while
i think there is a possible 8 children for John and Charlotte
Mary Ann m stephen crutcher, Pricilla , John m harriet james, Robert m Amellia page, Rachel, Olive, Maria m henry thompson and William m pricilla thompson .
bap for John is proberly 10 Feb 1809 st derrys warminster , hope that helps a bit give me a yell if there is anything else
t,c, matilda
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Post by: toni* on Friday 09 November 07 11:39 GMT (UK): where did you get the bapt. for John from Matilda, we couldn't find it! ;D
do you have the other childrens bapt. and also the mother Charlottes maiden name? (fingers crossed )

theres quite a big gap in between the children isn't there with John in 1809 Robert in 1816 & Maria in 1831, do you think there maybe more hiding somewhere?
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Post by: deb usa on Friday 09 November 07 11:40 GMT (UK): Hi cousin- in-law ;D

Thanks for that info.... Do you have dates for the children? We have John , Robert, Maria, William and Olive.... we need Mary Ann and Rachel. Who were the others?

Have you figured out who Charlotte is ?

hope you are well .... :D

deb :)

Toni ...just seen you post ...we are on the same wave length ;D
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Post by: toni* on Friday 09 November 07 11:44 GMT (UK): Quote from: deb usa on Friday 09 November 07 11:40 GMT (UK)

Thanks for that info.... Do you have dates for the children? We have John , Robert, Maria, William and Olive.... we need Mary Ann and Rachel. Who were the others?

Have you figured out who Charlotte is ?

Toni ...just seen you post ...we are on the same wave length ;D

the other one is Pricilla

did you also see the posts on your Thomas Penfold / Sphia Orchard thread? i'm not sure if wehave those census already or not you would need to check the summary! lol
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Post by: Tephra on Friday 09 November 07 12:46 GMT (UK): It looks like it's had a bit of a revival........... OK, go for it ladies. ;D ;D

Barbara
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Post by: matilda1973 on Friday 09 November 07 13:00 GMT (UK): Hi All
the bap for john was sent to me by a snail mail contact who is also looking in to the family dont have any baps for the others that i can find at the moment but i will have a look.
i have a possible for john and Charlotte in 1861 census RG9; Piece: 683; Folio: 48; Page: 44; millbrook hampshire
John age 78 brushmaker kingston dorset
Charlotte 79 wife Lancaster
what do you think
Matilda
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Post by: matilda1973 on Friday 09 November 07 13:07 GMT (UK): oh and Charlotte with Maria Thompson in 1871 RG10; Piece: 1199; Folio: 37; Page: 13
Charlotte mistranscribed as charles age 91 grandmother in milbrook agian
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Post by: deb usa on Friday 09 November 07 13:11 GMT (UK): Hi Matilda :)

That looks great to me , especially as they are in Hampshire. It's a pity there are no family with or living near them. You would think that they would want to be with the whole family. Where was everyone in 1861?

The youngest s/o John Penfold and Harriet James , was Edward ... he was born c 1853 in Cornwall... so they were all in that area near to 1861. Thomas s/o John and Harriet, married Sophia Orchard in 1866 in Devon.

deb

Just seen your post Matilda ... great work!! ...will have a look
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Post by: matilda1973 on Friday 09 November 07 13:16 GMT (UK): death dates for them
Charlotte 24 Jan 1874 vinsent st shirley southampton
John 20 Oct 1868 oriental st shirley southampton
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Post by: deb usa on Friday 09 November 07 13:17 GMT (UK): Matilda

Just wish they would be consistent about where they were born LOL ... Charlotte , 91, now born Exeter, Devon. Great find though ...especially as she is with Daughter, Maria Thompson nee Penfold and grandson ... woohoo for you , Matilda ;D ;D

deb

Ps Love your Avatar... did you see the great pic I posted on the 1st thread ..James Penfold's vardo ...not sure which James Penfold he is though :-\
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Post by: deeiluka on Friday 09 November 07 13:17 GMT (UK): This is great to follow and see more info coming for you, Deb! :D

......dee
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Post by: deb usa on Friday 09 November 07 13:19 GMT (UK): Hi Deetwin

Matilda and I have been in contact before .... we are cousin's in law LOL ...It's great that everyone are still putting this family together ....I am soooo Lucky to be a little part of it :D

deb
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Post by: Tephra on Friday 09 November 07 13:23 GMT (UK): Deb, just be warned it could go over to the Travellers Board at any time ........ if you lose it, that's where it will be. ;D ;D

Barbara
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Post by: deb usa on Friday 09 November 07 13:26 GMT (UK): Hi Barbara

i must admit ... I got a fright this morning ...went looking for all the scavenger hunts.... couldn't find them ...then realised they were here and not on TOTB...LOL .... ::)

deb
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Post by: matilda1973 on Friday 09 November 07 13:29 GMT (UK): John and Charlotte children
Rachel m James Franks
Olive m Amos Thompson 7/7/1853
william m Pricilla thompson 16/10/1854
Maria m Henry thompson 23/11/1853
i winder if these 3 thompsons were related
i have Maria in 1891 RG12; Piece: 923; Folio 80; Page 23and 1901RG13; Piece: 2299; Folio: 26; Page: 10. in 1901 she is living with James Franks who married Rachel both widows
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Post by: deb usa on Friday 09 November 07 13:43 GMT (UK): Ummm ...It definitely looks like they could be related ...the Thompsons, that is.

Maybe if we can find them in 1841/51..we may find our Penfolds ... I still cannot find my Thomas b 1841, Dorset (who married sophia Orchard) in 1851/71/81 :-\

Will look for the Thompson family

deb

ps Matilda ...do you have the certs for the Penfold/Thompson marriages?
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Post by: deb usa on Friday 09 November 07 14:11 GMT (UK): Hi again

What do you think of this family

1851:
Ferring, Sussex

Amos Thompson 45 Hawker , b NK
Priscilla " 43, b NK
Priscilla " 16 , b NK
Henry " 15 , hawker, b NK
Fred " 12 , Hawker, b NK
William " 11, Hawker , b NK
James, " 10 , Hawker , b NK
Thomas " , 7 , b, NK
Harriett " 4, b NK
Patience " 2 b NK

written under this is:
The above family were shoping (sic) in the parish the morning of the 31st.

HO107/1651 fol 329 p 13
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Post by: matilda1973 on Friday 09 November 07 14:26 GMT (UK): Pricilla who married William her parents were Amos and Pricilla Thompson nee Page ( wonder if anything to do with Amelia Page who married Robert) wasnt sure about the others but that looks good know i dont have the certs
off to get kids from school be back in abit
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Post by: deb usa on Friday 09 November 07 14:35 GMT (UK): Geezzzz Matilda ...you beat me to it ::)

Just found the extracted IGI record of Amos Thompson and Priscilla Page ... I also wonder about Priscilla being related to Amelia Page who married Robert Penfold (1816) b/o John Penfold (1809)!

No one living with or near the Thompsons in 1851 :-\ Can't find Amos who married Olive Penfold ::) ::)

deb
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Post by: deb usa on Friday 09 November 07 15:05 GMT (UK): :)

Okay ...

Amelia Page = Robert Penfold
1861 she is 43...b c 1818,
1871 ~ 53, b NK
1881 ~ 66 , b c 1815, in Canterbury Kent.

we have Priscilla Page = Amos Thompson
1851 was 43, b c 1808

(There is an IGI , submitted record for Priscilla Page , 1 May 1808, Staplehurst, Kent, parents; James Page and Priscilla.) ... But can't find an Amelia with same parents arrgghhhhhh

will search further

deb
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Post by: matilda1973 on Friday 09 November 07 15:50 GMT (UK): im back any luck?
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Post by: bearkat on Friday 09 November 07 16:03 GMT (UK): Quote from: deb usa on Friday 09 November 07 15:05 GMT (UK)
:)

we have Priscilla Page = Amos Thompson
1851 was 43, b c 1808

(There is an IGI , submitted record for Priscilla Page , 1 May 1808, Staplehurst, Kent, parents; James Page and Priscilla.) ... But can't find an Amelia with same parents arrgghhhhhh

will search further

deb

From Staplehurst parish records

baptism 20 April 1808 Priscilla PAGE daughter of James and Priscilla PAGE, Travellers

There are no other children of James & Priscilla baptised in Staplehurst.
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Post by: deb usa on Friday 09 November 07 16:23 GMT (UK): thanks for that Bearkat :D

now we just have to find Amelia Page , somewhere , with hopefully the same parents. Maybe they were cousins? ::) :-\

deb
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Post by: CatOne on Friday 09 November 07 16:30 GMT (UK): Is this Thompson family related? Difficult to read :-\

1841
HO107/389/4 Folio 26 Page 25
..........Land/Lane? Gipseys, Fareham, Hampshire
Emos Thompson (transcribed Emma) 30 Hawker N
Mary 30 N
Wm 6m Y
E........a 9 Y (female)
Pricilla 6 Y
Fredrick 2 Y
Harry 4 Y
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Post by: toni* on Friday 09 November 07 16:33 GMT (UK): could they have been in Gurnsey in 1861? a child was born, can anyone access the Gurnsey records
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Post by: DJFRENCH on Friday 09 November 07 16:51 GMT (UK): i'll have a look ....
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Post by: hepburn on Friday 09 November 07 16:58 GMT (UK): Deb,
Can I take you back a million pages for a minute??
Sophia Orchard...when and where was she born??
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Post by: bearkat on Friday 09 November 07 17:00 GMT (UK): Here are a couple more children for James & Priscilla PAGE:

Sarah Priscilla PAGE baptised 9 Jan 1814 West Meon
daughter of James & Priscilla , Pedlar

Robert PAGE baptised 14 Jun 1835 North Baddesley
son of James & Priscilla from Kent

I've not found Amelia yet. :-\
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Post by: DJFRENCH on Friday 09 November 07 17:04 GMT (UK): girls...tell me what i'm loooking for in Channel Islands ?
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Post by: bearkat on Friday 09 November 07 17:06 GMT (UK): And a couple more for you:

Mary Ann PAGE baptised 11 Aug 1839 at Bramshott
daughter of James & Pricilla PAGE

Harriott PAGE baptised 17 Dec 1820 at Ringwood
daughter of James & Pressella PAGE
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Post by: DJFRENCH on Friday 09 November 07 17:09 GMT (UK): Toni, is it the Thompsons you suggested may be in Channel Islands ? Nothing so far ???
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Post by: toni* on Friday 09 November 07 17:12 GMT (UK): anyone penfolds, orchards, thompsons, ocean hughes,
Title: Re: DebUSA Scavenger Hunt Part 2. (Everybody welcome to join in)
Post by: DJFRENCH on Friday 09 November 07 17:14 GMT (UK): oh ok ;D.......

coz i have not been following this i'm a bit lost. ::)
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Post by: toni* on Friday 09 November 07 17:16 GMT (UK): i am a bit lost also ;D

have you seen the other thread?

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,125868.0/topicseen.html
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Post by: DJFRENCH on Friday 09 November 07 17:24 GMT (UK): yeah i did do the first hunt so i'm sort of know who is who but there are ooodles of 'em ;D

anyway 1861 channel Islands...no penfolds, pinfolds, pinfords , penfull or other variations

No Amos Thompson, or anyone from the 1841 list on the previous page . There are other Thompsons born in England tho.

There is an Arthur Penfound , born 1798 , wife Elizabeth.. he is a lodging .... a something keeper

Debz
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Post by: toni* on Friday 09 November 07 17:40 GMT (UK): thanks for loking Debs, nobody seems to be able to find them i wonder where they were, just athought does anyone know what pages were missing if any from the census in each area they were last seen?

has anybody found them in the school attendance records?

apparently from 1862 statutory admissio and discharge records begna to be kept byt he head teachers of schools receiving government funding. you will discover that many of these only commence in the 14880's when education became compulsory nationwide for children between the ages of 5 & 10 though local districts could make it so from 1870. the registers may still be stored in the school or may have been transferred to teh county record office, these generally include
every new pupils name
his/her date of birth
the fathers name, place of residence and occ.
the childs date of admission and track his/her progress throug each stage from infant class to senior or until date of departure giving the reason for leaving adn the place removed to if changing schools.
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Post by: deb usa on Friday 09 November 07 17:47 GMT (UK): Hi ...been scrubbing kitchen floor ... ::)

Sophia Orchard b 1846? not sure where ... on marriage cert to Thomas Penfold (1866, Devon), her dad is...geezzz...swamped in papers here , can't find marriage cert... hold on will be back ...

Cat One ..I saw that but could not find young Amos on that census ...

Quote from: deb usa on Friday 09 November 07 14:11 GMT (UK)

1851:
Ferring, Sussex

Amos Thompson 45 Hawker , b NK
Priscilla " 43, b NK
Priscilla " 16 , b NK
Henry " 15 , hawker, b NK
Fred " 12 , Hawker, b NK
William " 11, Hawker , b NK
James, " 10 , Hawker , b NK
Thomas " , 7 , b, NK
Harriett " 4, b NK
Patience " 2 b NK

written under this is:
The above family were shoping (sic) in the parish the morning of the 31st.

HO107/1651 fol 329 p 13

Quote from: CatOne on Friday 09 November 07 16:30 GMT (UK)
Is this Thompson family related? Difficult to read :-\

1841
HO107/389/4 Folio 26 Page 25
..........Land/Lane? Gipseys, Fareham, Hampshire
Emos Thompson (transcribed Emma) 30 Hawker N
Mary 30 N
Wm 6m Y
E........a 9 Y (female)
Pricilla 6 Y
Fredrick 2 Y
Harry 4 Y

Quote from: matilda1973 on Friday 09 November 07 14:26 GMT (UK)

Pricilla who married William her parents were Amos and Pricilla Thompson nee Page ( wonder if anything to do with Amelia Page who married Robert) wasnt sure about the others but that looks good know i dont have the certs
off to get kids from school be back in abit

did Amos marry twice ?

Must find cert .... :-\

deb
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Post by: deb usa on Friday 09 November 07 18:00 GMT (UK): arrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh ...I can't find cert :o ::)

I know both Thomas Penfold and Sophia Orchard's dads were Hawker ... I think his name was ~~Thomas~~ William ::) :-\ :-\

deb
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Post by: matilda1973 on Friday 09 November 07 18:08 GMT (UK): Sophies parents were William and Caroline werent they or do i have them all mixed up as well now :-[
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Post by: deb usa on Friday 09 November 07 18:08 GMT (UK): back ...found this ...

Sophie, born c 1846 to William and Caroline Orchard nee Scarrott (married 1843). they had at least 7 children including Sophie, Joe, Christannia, Henry, James, Louise and Susan.

Carolines parents were William and Margret Scarrott .

still can't find cert ...I think I am going mad!

No I don't think you are mixed up, Louise! i am ::) :o ... Need the cert ...arrgghhhh
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Post by: deb usa on Friday 09 November 07 18:37 GMT (UK): FOUND IT !! ;D Thank Goodness ! Was right in front of me :o 8)

In 1866 Thomas Penfold and Sophia Orchard were living in Chumleigh, Devon.
Thomas Penfold, 24, father ~John Penfold, Hawker
SopHia Orchard , 21 (b 1845/46) , father~ William Orchard Hawker

witnesses: Edward Jeffery and Elizabeth Penfold

deb ...i feel much better now ..phew ;D
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Post by: bearkat on Friday 09 November 07 18:57 GMT (UK): Glad you've found it.....I think I've lost the plot.

I've no idea what is happening on this thread or the others that are going. I keep adding my five penneth hoping it will help. :(
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Post by: deb usa on Friday 09 November 07 19:04 GMT (UK): Bearkat ;D

You are helping a lot ! Thanks for all the baptisms of Page children :D

I am also going around in circles ... so many of them intermarried and used the same names, that it is difficult even for us, who are family, to keep up! 8)

I would like to find my Thomas Penfold in 1851. Thomas penfold b c 1841 maybe in poole Dorset, s/o John Penfold (1809) and Harriet James (1814).

He marries in 1866...to Sophia Orchard (b c 1845/6) (d/o William and Caroline Orchard)... they are in Devon in 1866 ...cannot find them in 1871 or 1881...In 1891 they along with all kids are in Cornwall.

deb
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Post by: matilda1973 on Friday 09 November 07 19:33 GMT (UK): you know they all like to play a big game of hide and seek along with a bit of name swoping ;)
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Post by: bearkat on Friday 09 November 07 19:56 GMT (UK): John and Harriett were having children at the same places as James and Charlotte

Charlotte PENFOLD baptised 2 Sep 1838 at North Stoneham
daughter of John & Harriett

John PENFOLD baptised 29 Jun 1834 at Hale (of Hythe, Kent)
son of John & Harriet

Robert PENFOLD baptised 22 Jan 1832 at Up Nately
son of John & Harriet
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Post by: bearkat on Friday 09 November 07 20:04 GMT (UK): Found another PENFOLD baptism in Staplehurst, Kent

27 August 1843 Ann Collins PENFOLD daughter of James & Mary, Hawker
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Post by: deb usa on Friday 09 November 07 20:26 GMT (UK): Hi bearkat

Thanks for those ... question ..is North Stoneham , also Kent?

the Charlotte you have there = Henry Gess (a travelling showman)
Robert (1832) = Amelia Page and then Louisa ... can't remember LMHO
Can you find My Thomas b c 1841 ...I have Poole, Dorset...that is from a census.

deb :)
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Post by: bearkat on Friday 09 November 07 20:31 GMT (UK): North Stoneham is in Hampshire.

Can't help with Dorset, :-\ I'm afraid.
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Post by: bearkat on Friday 09 November 07 21:29 GMT (UK): Don't know if you have this one from the IGI?

14 SEP 1845 Elizabeth PENFOLD daughter of John and Harriett - Holy Trinity, Weymouth, Dorset, England

They're moving westwards..........
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Post by: davidpinkney on Friday 09 November 07 22:14 GMT (UK): From freebmd

marriages sep qtr 1851, Portsea

Amos Thompson and on same page Pricilla Page

married after they are shown together on 1851 census?
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Post by: deb usa on Friday 09 November 07 23:13 GMT (UK): Hi David

I thought maybe he had been married before ...see below...

Quote from: deb usa on Friday 09 November 07 17:47 GMT (UK)

Quote from: deb usa on Friday 09 November 07 14:11 GMT (UK)

1851:
Ferring, Sussex

Amos Thompson 45 Hawker , b NK
Priscilla " 43, b NK
Priscilla " 16 , b NK
Henry " 15 , hawker, b NK
Fred " 12 , Hawker, b NK
William " 11, Hawker , b NK
James, " 10 , Hawker , b NK
Thomas " , 7 , b, NK
Harriett " 4, b NK
Patience " 2 b NK

written under this is:
The above family were shoping (sic) in the parish the morning of the 31st.

HO107/1651 fol 329 p 13

Quote from: CatOne on Friday 09 November 07 16:30 GMT (UK)
Is this Thompson family related? Difficult to read :-\

1841
HO107/389/4 Folio 26 Page 25
..........Land/Lane? Gipseys, Fareham, Hampshire
Emos Thompson (transcribed Emma) 30 Hawker N
Mary 30 N
Wm 6m Y
E........a 9 Y (female)
Pricilla 6 Y
Fredrick 2 Y
Harry 4 Y

did Amos marry twice ?

deb

it looks like he married Mary 1st and then to Precilla Page. So all kids born after 1851 have Priscilla as mum ... or am I confusing things ?

deb
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Post by: bearkat on Saturday 10 November 07 09:32 GMT (UK): PENFOLD baptisms in Kent from

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gypsy/gypsyc.htm

( http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gypsy/gypsy.htm is a really useful site for Kent travellers/gypsies)

Penfield Rueben, George, Louisa 4 Apr 1913 H T Milton Gravesend
Penfold Caroline Emma, John Thomas, Jane Elizabeth 29 May 1881 Ashford
Penfold Caroline Emma, William, Sarah 31 Jul 1881 Ashford
Penfold Frank, James, Susannah 17 Apr 1825 Hythe
Penfold James, James, Susannah 10 Mar 1827 Hythe

Penfold John Thomas, John, Mary Ann 14 Apr 1912 Cliffe
Penfold Lydia, John Thomas, Jane Elizabeth 27 Jul 1879 Ashford
Penfold Mary Ann, John, Mary Ann 20 Apr 1834 Hythe
Penfold Mary Ann, John Thomas, Jane Elizabeth 25 Nov 1877 Ashford
Penfold Nancy Colins, James, Jane 20 Aug 1854 Newchurch
Penfold Phoebe, Thomas, Lavinia 20 Aug 1854 Newchurch
Penfold Priscilla, Robert, Lydia 10 Nov 1812 Hythe
Penfold Rachel, James, Susannah 29 Oct 1820 Hythe
Penfold William, John, Mary Ann 6 Feb 1825 Hythe
Penfold William, William, Sarah 29 Oct 1876 Ashford
Penfold William Henry, John, Jane Mar 1876 Ashford

Penfold William Joseph, Edward, Sarah 22 Dec 1907 Holy Trinity Milton Gravesend

Hope it's OK to post them on here.
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Post by: tiggi on Sunday 11 November 07 02:46 GMT (UK): Hi Debs
found this census in 1881 RG11 2243/80 p36 Barnstaple Devon
Henry Pruforld 29 b 1852 Bridgewater licensed Hawker
Ocean 28 1853 totnes
Betsey 9 1872 Paignton
Henry 5 1876 Exeter
Trefiance 3 1878 Paignton
John 1 1881 Braunton Devon

don't know if related to you or not

In 1891 Census South Moulton
Henry Penfold 40 1851 Bridgewater ( Hawker)
Ocean 39 1852 Illminster Somerset
Bessie 19 1872 Paignton
Henry 15 1876 Exeter
Defiance 13 1878 Dawlish Devon
John 10 1881 Bruanton Devon
Noah 8 1883 Paignton
Vastie 6 1885 Iframcombe
Albert 3 1888 Iframcombe

In 1901 Census North taunton Oakhampton Devon
Henry Penfold 49 1852 ( Nk) Licensed Hawker
France ( wife think its Ocean) 48 1853 ( NK)
John 23 1878
Noah 19 1882
Vestly 17 1884 ( Female)
Alber 12 1889 ( male)
Leonard 10 1891
Caroline 5 1896
Joe 2 1899
does not state where anyone was born but sure its same family
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Post by: toni* on Monday 12 November 07 13:27 GMT (UK): how strange i thought i posted a reply here but its not here! and looking at my last posts its not there either,!

anyhow what i said was perhaps it would be a good idea to list all the bapt, marriages deaths and census nos etc that we hve on one post so save repeating ourseleves.

good idea ro not??? you decide
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Post by: deb usa on Monday 12 November 07 17:04 GMT (UK): Hi

My posts from yesterday have also disappeared and so have tiggi's ... I can't remember what I had typed :-\

Good idea Toni ... I also think that maybe all of these threads should be moved to the travellers boards ...so we all stay in one place ... what do you think?

trying to recap yesterday's post re: what Tiggi had posted ...

Henry Penfold Married Ocean Hughes
Thomas Penfold married Sophia Orchard (b 1846)
Thomas and Henry were brothers and sons of John Penfold (1809) and Harriet James (1814).
Sophia Orchard , born c 1846 to William and Caroline Orchard nee Scarrott (married 1843).

errr ..I hope Tiggi can remember her posts ....LOL

deb
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Post by: tiggi on Monday 12 November 07 17:10 GMT (UK): hello Debs
Nope i can;t remember been doing so much lol its getting all mixed up
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Post by: deb usa on Monday 12 November 07 17:23 GMT (UK): Hi Tiggi

I remember something about Your joe Orchard and My Sophia Orchard being siblings ...and then the Scarrott name ...errrrrrrrr ummmmm :-\ :-\

Toni is bril at summaries ... so hopefully we can get it in some semblance of order as everything is higgle-de-piggly LOL

deb ;D
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Post by: tiggi on Monday 12 November 07 17:32 GMT (UK): right I think we decided that Henry & Ocean Penfold were in Matilda tree and you said we 3 were connected
Because I have a Peggy Smith married to Joseph Orchard his father was William Orchard & Caroline Scarrott
Her parents were James Smith & Eliza Scarrott ( mother unconfirmed)
I then asked you who Eliza was ? Parents etc
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Post by: bearkat on Monday 12 November 07 18:33 GMT (UK): sorry, the info was still on the thread, :-\
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Post by: Tephra on Monday 12 November 07 18:54 GMT (UK): Hi Deb

If you think it's now time for your Hunt to be moved I'll organise for it to be moved to the Travellers Board. Don't panic if you can't find it on the Common Room OK . .. . ;D ;D ;D

Barbara
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Post by: tiggi on Monday 12 November 07 18:57 GMT (UK): HELP !!
i am having trouble following all this where we going now ?
LOL
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Post by: deb usa on Monday 12 November 07 19:09 GMT (UK): Bearkat .... I think my post to thank you for the Baptisms disappeared somewhere ....every one of them will help us ... we just have to figure where they fit in :-\ Thanks so much :-*

Tiggi ... we are going to move the 2 scavenger hunt threads ( the ones on the Off Topic Board and here in the Common Room board ) to the Travellers board where my Thomas Penfold and Soffia/Sophia Orchard thread is ... That will make it easier to refer to all of these threads .. then we do not have to keep flitting from board to board and hopefully people who stay on the traveller boards may be able to join in or find some relevant family member ...

deb ;D
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Post by: Tephra on Monday 12 November 07 19:11 GMT (UK): Hi Tiggi

The Scavenger Hunts are ALL posted in the Common Room initially, then they are moved to a more relevant board, in this case the Travellers Board. You will be notified with the link when it is moved. You'll still be able to post on it, don't worry. ;D

I think you all should be congratulated on doing such a magnificent job. Well done everybody. I know Deb is highly delighted with the information she's received.

Barbara
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Post by: deb usa on Monday 12 November 07 19:14 GMT (UK): Barbara ;D

Thanks ..I think moving it at this stage may be a good idea ... see my post to Tiggi....

would you be able to make it one thread ...ie; just one long 'deb's scavenger hunt" as opposed to part 1 and 2

deb ..... Happy Deb ... ;D Thanks to all who helped ...please come over to the travellers Board with me ..... ;D

Thank you, thank you , thank you ...you are all fabulous !
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Post by: tiggi on Monday 12 November 07 19:16 GMT (UK): lol ok hope i can follow it just that getting more information about my own family and although we all connect Debs me Matilda now got new ones and when i get messages i go all over place lol
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Post by: bearkat on Monday 12 November 07 19:16 GMT (UK): I can't believe how big this family was.

I thought travellers had their regular route they travelled each year. Debs family started in the east of England, moved westwards and kept going.... to the USA!
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Post by: Tephra on Monday 12 November 07 19:19 GMT (UK): Sorry Deb, it will have to stay two threads as one long one makes for more of a download and therefore more of a strain on the inner workings of RC. You'll just have to do a search and rescue for the first thread if you need anything off it ........sorry :-\

Barbara
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Post by: tiggi on Monday 12 November 07 19:28 GMT (UK): Lol
Family is huge if you think trhat most had like 10 + children we spread out everywhere like my own family BUCKLAND & STANLEY
And yes many gypsy families went to USA if you want more interesting reading check out the NEW YORK TIMES ARCHIVES loads of stories about gypsies in USA
I did last night find a site gave me list of Fairs in cornwall I will try and find it will give you idea of places they travelled too but of course in winter months they moved up country so it possible to find them in aother counties
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Post by: deb usa on Monday 12 November 07 19:30 GMT (UK): :)

No problem Barbara ...will Part 1 be joining Part 2 on Travellers ... ;D

thanks for moving thread , AR

Bearkat ...I am the only one that made it to the USA (although I think some of Tiggi's family came here as well ) , I wonder what the Penfold/Orchard/James/Hughes?Gess/Page/Buckland/Scarrott/etc etc would think of all of this ? :o :o

deb
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Post by: tiggi on Monday 12 November 07 19:34 GMT (UK): Debs sorry to correct you but there were many families went to USA
I know I saw something about Penfold family in USA very early will try and find it for you it was story about young girl who died in her parents arms
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Post by: tiggi on Monday 12 November 07 19:44 GMT (UK): Debs found that story how can I send it to you ?
Its about a patience Penfold young child died 1895 14th Sept Old West Farms Churchyard
says the Grandmother was Elizabeth Smith one of her nieces was head of the Willias tribe
if you can put NEW YORK TIMES ARCHIVES in search and then search for this story or I will send it to you if i know your email

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9804E3D71039E033A25757C1A96F9C94649ED7CF
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Post by: deb usa on Monday 12 November 07 19:48 GMT (UK): Hi Tiggi

I will Pm you my addy .... I would love to meet up with Penfolds here ... it's just that I have not heard if any of my direct rellies came here .... anything you can find would be FAB!

thanks

deb
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Post by: tiggi on Monday 12 November 07 19:52 GMT (UK): Ok that would be great I know there are many orchards & penfolds living cloes to me as i am in Cornwall if i can link you to them will do and if anyone has a ancestor in Cornwall that they would like a photo of their grave I will try and help out I want to start my own web site next year listing graves in Cornwall for people like yourselves abroad it would be a great help to know where your ancestors are buried
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Post by: erin9 on Monday 12 November 07 21:05 GMT (UK): :) Hi Deb

First post for me, so I'm a novice, but just wanted to let you know how great this has been to read, I must say the "Rootschatters are wonderful, sharing and amassing info,

Regards Erin
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Post by: deb usa on Monday 12 November 07 21:22 GMT (UK): welcome on board , Erin ;D

This place is fabulous ...everyone loves to share resources and knowledge . If there is anything we can help you with ...just shout. Are you part of this large family of ours??

deb :)
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Post by: erin9 on Monday 12 November 07 21:46 GMT (UK): Hi Deb

my g grandfather was William Smith, brother to Peggy Smith, who married Joseph Orchard, so a slight connection there,

LOL always need help, but at the moment just enjoying the scavenger hunt,

Regards Erin (but will have a look for some Penfolds)
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Post by: deb usa on Monday 12 November 07 22:07 GMT (UK): Hi Erin ...

so by now you have seen that my gg grandmother Sophia Penfold nee Orchard is the sister of Joe Orchard. So your ggrandad and Joe Orchard were brothers-in-law, which kind of makes my Sophia a sister-in-law-in -law LOL

This family is so fascinating ! :o

deb
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Post by: erin9 on Monday 12 November 07 22:15 GMT (UK): :) :)

Deb My mind is boggling with all this information :o and I think I need a drink, am just going to read your Cornish mystery thread,

So Glad there's a connection, dont know how you would try to draw a tree though LOL

Regards Erin
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Post by: deb usa on Monday 12 November 07 22:23 GMT (UK): Erin ... I am having a glass of wine myself ....

We Need a VERY VERY VERY large piece of paper ... LOL ..the tree would still not fit LOL

My cornish Mystery is also a little complicated ...it involves the wife of William Penfold s/o Thomas Penfold and Sophia Orchard .

William Penfold married Bessie Palmer ...they had my nan Violet Venie Penfold b 1914 .

enjoy! LOL

deb
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Post by: tiggi on Monday 12 November 07 22:40 GMT (UK): Hi erin
i just saw your message hello Cousin !!
I am great-grand-daughter of Betsey Smith your William sister & Peggy Sister if I am correct William married Caroline Smitheram ?

there were several children :
I think there is a James ?
i also think Wisdom Smith who married Edith Buckland 1872 is possible son
These I know were James Smith children after Selina married on all other marriages he is deceased:
Selina Married Henry James 1866 plymouth
William married Caroline Smitheram 1874 Helston
Harriet married Robert Lee 1876 Cornwall
Peggy married Joseph Orchard 1875 Truro
Britannia born 1857 never married

It would be wonderful to know more about family if you can fill in any gaps and where are you ? please say you are in Cornwall lol
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Post by: tiggi on Monday 12 November 07 22:50 GMT (UK): I am so amazed all of a sudden I find loads of Cousins i have been searching for dead people now for 2 years its so nice to find living family
i need a brandy going barmy here !! you have no idea how wonderful I feel !!
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Post by: deb usa on Monday 12 November 07 23:19 GMT (UK): Tiggi

...I so know how you feel ...How absolutley fabulous and exciting ...Blimey .. we have all somehow connected with this scavenger hunt (thanks to Barbara /Tephra who's idea it was ! :-*) I have also connected with a cousin who's grandparents were Christopher Penfold (s/o Thomas and sophia) who married Carnation Richards who died really young and then he married Maria Boswell , who was the sister of Abraham Boswell...oh lordy ...I need another drink LOL

deb ;D
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Post by: erin9 on Monday 12 November 07 23:21 GMT (UK): ??? ??? Deb
What a Cornish Mystery I'm completly lost LOL, :-\ still reading?????

Tiggi

William and Caroline are my ancesters, Peggy, Bessie, and Brittania, can confirm were siblings, but Selina I thought was a cousin, not a sibling,
so cannot confirm that, still probably some else can, delighted to find a connection :)
regards Erin (PS IN Yorkshire)
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Post by: tiggi on Monday 12 November 07 23:26 GMT (UK): Erin
I can confirm she was his eldest sister i havew all the marriage certificates and all state James Smith as Father

By the way debs I know you wil read this to Defiance Orchard is on Selina marriage as witness so has to be another link there too lol

i am so amazed at our finding each other its wonderful Erin are you in Cornwall ?
if you are I am tto and did you know we are realted not only to James family but Coopers too
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Post by: tiggi on Monday 12 November 07 23:28 GMT (UK): lol erin
i said I was going barmy just saw you say Yorkshire well least not that far really lol
please email me I have loads on your family done their tree if you are interested

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Post by: erin9 on Monday 12 November 07 23:35 GMT (UK): Hi Again Deb & Tiggi

I'm a bit dizzy dont know if its the wine or the names, Tiggi I didnt know Coopers were in the mix, WOW? no nothing about them,

my smiths were fairly settled which is a good thing and have connected them to the Lee's, you know it really is a small world, Cheers going to have another ;D

Erin
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Post by: tiggi on Monday 12 November 07 23:44 GMT (UK): Erin
PASS ME THE BOTTLE GIRL !!! I NEED IT !!
Yes we have loads of family all down here in cornwall the families didn't go to far but so many 1st cousins marrying and all got same names its a nightmare trying to figure them out
But i am not one to give up
i know my dad said he would go to Helston to visit James and I think your side when he was young unfortunately he has passed away but he would be so happy knowing I have found out so much about family
i need to revaluate all my latest info its getting so much now I only started with 2 names lol
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Post by: tiggi on Monday 12 November 07 23:46 GMT (UK): Debs that Abraham Boswell you mentioned did he marry Selina Lee ? in 1990 in cornwall ?
If its person i know she lives in austrialia ? Colleen
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Post by: deb usa on Tuesday 13 November 07 00:55 GMT (UK): well i am astounded ... more cousins ...I am loving it ... I have done the dinner and dishes and am back...hee hee

okay ... I think the Abraham Boswell that I know is related to Colleen ...he was the one that was in prison for a long time and married ?? ..I am not sure . Alli know of the Boswell link to my Family is Christopher Penfold who married mariah/maria Boswell the sister of Abraham. They did not have any children so they are not a 'blood' connection to my Penfolds ...

Christopher Penfold married carnation Richards in 1903, she had Eddy and died in 1906 .... Christopher , s/o Thomas Penfold and Sophia Orchard then married Maria Boswell around 1911...Blimey .. this family is GINORMOUS !!!!

I am in touch with my cousin whose grandparents were Christopher P and Carnation R

deb
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Post by: Tephra on Tuesday 13 November 07 01:31 GMT (UK): I'm amazed and highly delighted. ........ look at all the cousins coming out. Well done Deb ;D ;D

Tiggi and Erin, would you like your names added to the Scavenger Hunt list?? It will be quite a few weeks before it's your turn, but you might just get a brick wall or two knocked down ......... Deb has ;) ;)

Barbara
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Post by: toni* on Tuesday 13 November 07 11:59 GMT (UK): what has happened to my posts? they keep dissapperaing and then reappearing how strange is anyone else having that problem ???

i posted a reply eariler (i cant remember what i said ) then went back to look at something and it had gone i then posted what is happening to my posts they keep dissappearing and now that has gone and my posts from yesterday have reappeared ???
am i going crazy :-\
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Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 13 November 07 12:08 GMT (UK): Toni and Tiggi and everyone......Rootschat has had two crashes.....the first time lots of posts disappeared......then it crashed a second time and now some of the posts are back.....but the posts made between the two crashes have disappeared. I suggest at present that you copy everything as soon as someone posts it.....until Rootschat settles down again. Trystan is working on it.....

.....dee
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Post by: toni* on Tuesday 13 November 07 12:10 GMT (UK): so i'm not crazy 8) i was beginning to wonder :)
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Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 13 November 07 12:12 GMT (UK): No Toni....it's not you....I kept getting the message that Rootschat didn't exist! :o ::)

.....dee
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Post by: colleena on Tuesday 13 November 07 13:00 GMT (UK): :) :) " Rootschat does exist" Thank goodness all is well, had mee worried,
But I lost all my posts, Thankyou Deeiluka for the information,

Will post again (hope I can remember) ???

Colleen
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Post by: tiggi on Tuesday 13 November 07 13:27 GMT (UK): Hi cousins
Are we still all here then ? LOL
Its them gremlins playing about with us
I just thought I would let you know I have found another family member !!! she is in CORNWALL !!! wayhay I don't feel so lonely now with all you lot in far away places LOL
right this person is related to Thomas Buckland son of Tenett & keziah Buckland ( My great-great grandparents)
and she is married into the Small family
Nelson Buckland & Eliza Small ( he being the son of Thomas & Pebe Mary Stanley, pebe daughter of richard & ellen Stanley)
so family expanding phew what gonna happen next !!!
I am so pleased its starting to come together sandy
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Post by: deb usa on Tuesday 13 November 07 13:37 GMT (UK): Hi everyone

Nice to see you again Colleen ;D

Tiggi ...what great news ...another cousin ... as well as my mum in Truro... ooo what fun .....

Is Eliza Small (who married Nelson Buckland ) is she related to Louisa Small who married my Alfred Penfold, b 1850 (s/o John Penfold and Harriet James)?

Blimey ...we have to get all this info in order somehow ....

deb .. :D
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Post by: tiggi on Tuesday 13 November 07 13:43 GMT (UK): Hi Debs
Could well be
I am waiting for letter now we are going to exchange information, but when I get time going to sit here and try and put family in order ( with a stiff drink by my side !!)
It will take me a few days as well so much to collate but also must spend some time with my hubby feelin lonely lol
I am plugged into this PC day & night he's getting jealous lol Bless him
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Post by: deb usa on Tuesday 13 November 07 13:50 GMT (UK): Hi again

I have just found another Penfold/Small marriage ...
John Penfold b c 1874 s/o Thomas Penfold and Sophia Orchard ...he married Ellen Small.

John b 1874 is brother of my William (my gr grandad) who Married Bessie Palmer .

phew !!!

deb ;D
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Post by: tiggi on Tuesday 13 November 07 13:55 GMT (UK): Debs
LOL you thought Penfolds & orchard big family don't go there with Small its huge too LOL
i will send you all info on Small side when our cousin posts it to me but yes they also married into our families
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Post by: colleena on Tuesday 13 November 07 13:57 GMT (UK): :) Hi Deb

Once again a great idea a scavenger hunt, and with Joseph Orchard being my gg granmothers Harriet Lee (nee Smith) brother-inlaw (sister toTiggi's Betsy)
we are related, distantly but related, There's more but I'll have to check it out or tiggi will be at me (I call her Sherlock)

Tiggi delighted to hear another Relly, its soo good when you have a little ggod luck isnt it,

Colleen
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Post by: Tephra on Tuesday 13 November 07 14:02 GMT (UK): I think my posts must have vanished from earlier when I asked if Tiggi and Colleena would like to be on the Scavenger Hunt list ........... ;D

So ......... would you like to be on the Scavenger Hunt list??

Barbara
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Post by: toni* on Tuesday 13 November 07 14:08 GMT (UK): this is what i have Gleaned from the other two posts, i have not trawled through this one yet!

Confirmed info. only. - so it will not all be here

in no particular order

Census:

Thomas Penfold b.1841 & Sophia /Soffia Orchard RG12/1822 114 14 , (1891)
John Pinfold/Penfold b.1809 & Hariett James RG9/1601 fol 40 pg 30 (1861)
Harriet Penfold nee James RG10/2148 fol 41 p 16 (1871)
Robert Penfold b. 1816 RG9/1370 104 22 (1861) RG10/2008 folio 13 pg 18 (1871) RG11 2086 159 22 (1881)
Maria Thompson nee Penfold b. 1831 RG9/1370 104 22 (1861)
William Penfold & Bessie Palmer RG13 2222 foilio 47 page 15 (1901)
RG11/2086 folio 160 page 23 (1881)
Henry Penfold (s/o Robert & Amelia) RG11 2086 / 159 22 (1881)
Thomas Penfold (s/o Robert & Amelia) RG11 2086 / 159 22 (1881)
James Penfold (s/o Robert & Amelia) RG11 2086 / 159 22 (1881)
Christopher Penfold & Patience nee Geust RG10/2096 folio 119 pg 17 (1871)
Christina Penfold/William Orchard 1898 St Austell marriage individuals. RG13/2121 folio 8 pg 8 (1901) and RG11/2416 folio 49 pg 11 (1881)
John and Sarah Orchard RG12/1810 folio 77 pg 19 (1891) RG11; 2416; 49; 11; (1881)
Leonard Penfold RG13/2126 folio 63 pg6 (1901)
Henry Penfold & Ocean nee Hughes RG12/1771 folio 73 pg11 (1891) and RG11/2243 folio 80 pg 36 (1881)
William (brother of John b. 1809 & Robert b.1816 & Maria b. 1831) RG10/2008 folio 13 pg 18 (1871)
Olive Jones nee Penfold (d/o Robert b.1816 & Amelia) RG11; 2086; 160; 23; (1881)
Edward Penfold & Rachel nee Holland RG13/2181 Folio 70 Page 12 Truscott (1901)

James Penfold 1891 Lady St marys Dorset (sorry no RG no. available)
James Orchard (1861) RG9/1606 68 13
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Post by: toni* on Tuesday 13 November 07 14:08 GMT (UK): Marriages:
Henry b.1851/52 Bridgwater m. Ocean HUghes (b 1851 Honiton)
John Pinfold/Penfold b 1809, Warminster married 2 Aug 1831, Pimperne Dorset to Harriet James b 1814, Kingclere, Berkshire.
Nelson Penfold married Q1 1904 Camelford 5c 22 to lavinia Richards or Hannah Rush
THOMAS PENFOLD M. SOPHIA/SOFFIA ORCHARD they married in june qtr 1866 in South Molton
Christona/Christiana b 1875 married william Orchard in St austell Cornwall in 1898
Thomas James married Harriet PALMER 23RD DEC 1808 Kingsclere Hants
IGI extracted Robert Penfold =Amelia Page26 dec 1836 Bishops Waltham, Hampshire
JOhn Pinfold = Charlotte Jane Brooks 4 oct 1792, Steyning Sussex (not convinced this it he correct John/Charlotte marriage)
John Palmer & Dinah Pointer 11 Oct 1787 Kingsclere
Christina Penfold William Orchard 1898 St Austell
Edward Mary Ann 1899 Tavistock
Eliza Henry Bundle 1879 Truro
Eliza Wiiliam Orchard 1908 Stratton
Fiance Andrew Richards 1915 Truro
John Maria Crocker 1882 St Austell
John Caroline Orchard 1906 Bodmin
Alfred Louisa Small 1871 Plymouth
Charlotte Henry Gess 1855 Plymouth
Christopher Patience Guest 1864 Plymouth
Christopher Maria Boswell 1910 Plymouth
Christopher Sally Hughes 1915 Torrington Devon
Elizabeth Edwin Orchard 1871 Plymouth
Elizabeth Gough Smith 1890 Barnstaple
Harriett William Small 1915 Plymouth
Leonard Sophia Orchard 1912 Exeter
Mary Ann Fred Smith 1881 Chard
Pricilla William Orchard 1874 St Thomas Devon
Rachel Robert Small 1905 Devonport
Thomas Sophia Orchard 1866 South Molton Devon
William Patience Orchard 1912 Exeter
Faithful James orchard 1914 Dorchester
Harriett Penfold Henry Buckland 1896 Plympton/ Devon (Father Tenant Buckland )
Selina Penfold Joshua Buckland 1887 Totnes Devon (father was Plato Buckland)
William Penfold Jenty Buckland 1887 Plymouth ( Father Plato Buckland)
James Penfold Sophy Buckland 1887 Plymouth( Father Plato Buckland)

Edward Penfold =Mary Ann Orchard is s/o Thomas Penfold and Sophia Orchard ...he is the brother to my William penfold =Bessie Palmer.
Christopher Penfold (witness) =Carnation Richards and Maria Boswell ...he is also S/o Thomas and Sophia
Eliza Penfold (witness) = William Orchard ...she is d/o Thomas Penfold and Sophia OrchardChristiana 1875c. Cornwall Grampound m. William Orchard s/o John Orchard & Sarah Q1 1898 St Austell (source BMD)
Harriett Orchard married Edmund Spargo - St Germans, mar qtr 1898, 5c 73
Leonard Penfold to marry Sophia Orchard 1912 Exeter
Calstock
18-Jul 1899

Edward PENFOLD 21 bachelor licensed hawker Calstock Thomas licensed hawker
&
Mary Ann ORCHARD 19 spinster Calstock Henry licensed hawker
by banns
both Marked
witnesses Christopher Penfold & Eliza Penfold

Patience Thompson to Thomas Penfold sep qtr 1871, Wareham, 5a 528

Q4 1853 Penfield Maria & Thompson Henry Southampton 2c 16 (this is Maria Penfold b. 1831)

William Penfold Jenty Buckland 1887 Plymouth ( Father Plato Buckland)
James Penfold Sophy Buckland 1887 Plymouth( Father Plato
Buckland) RG11/2186 folio 56 pg 1&2 (1881)
Edward PENFOLD = Rachel HOLLAND Jun 1/4 1875 Crediton 5b 684

Christopher 1877 m. Carnation Richards 14 Nov 1903
Edward 1879c m. Florence Mabel Whitcombe from Meare in 1913
Elizabeth b c 1885 = William Orchard 1908, Stratton Cornwall

Thomas Penfold married Sophia Orchard
Apr-May-Jun quarter 1866 South Molton 5b 833

elizabeth (betsy) b.1845/6 (dorset) married edwin orchard b. 1844 in ledbury hereford...... married on15 april 1871
alfred b.1849 married louisa small b.1851 married 15 april 1871

Selina Smith born 1844 Taunton
married 1886 Plymouth
Henry James born 1846 Somerset
On their marriage certificate witnessess were Defiance Orchard & William Smith ( brother)

william Smith married Caroline Smitheram 1874 Helston
james father deceased

Peggy Smith married Joe Orchard 1875 Truro
witnesses were her sister Harriet Smith ( Lee) & robert lee her husband ( James the father was deceased on record)

Betsey Smith married Nelson buckland
Their daughter Edith married Wisdom Smith in Bromsgrove 1872
Nelson parents Tenett buckland who married a Keziah Smith she was born 1832 ( NK)
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Post by: toni* on Tuesday 13 November 07 14:09 GMT (UK): Bapt. / Birth:
Robert 1816 Bremer Wilts
Sophia Penfold mmn. Orchid Q1 1913 South Molton 5b 663
Mis* Penfold Q4 1903 St Columb 5c 72
Selina Penfold 22 feb 1891
Nelson Penfold was born in Helston 13 May 1883 ,Helston, Cornwall
Defiance ORCHARD Mar qtr 1872 Tavistock (d/o Edwin Orchard & Elizabeth nee Penfold)
Christopher Penfold Sept qtr 1877 Redruth
Defiance Penfold baptised in Truro St Marys 22 Sep 1872 parents Robert and Louisa (she is the one who died aged 0 in Penzance)
Henry James born 1790 14th Nov. s/o Robert and Eleanor
Robert bap~22 June 1832 (s/o John & Harriett)
Maria Penfold christened 3 jul 1831, Brockenhurst, Hampshire (batch 1013764) Parents John Penfold and Charlotte
Sarah Harriett Penfold 3 nov 1833 in St Nicholas, Brighton, Sussex under the name Pennifold (not convinced shes connected although she did marry a James)
Madron 15-Oct 1865 Thomas Alfred PENFOLD s/o Robert Louisa Sojourner in Madron Hawker

Harriot Palmer bapt. 09 March 1786 Southampton d/o John Palmer & Jane
here are her siblings:~
Amelia 27 Oct 1782
Anne 29 Dec 1780

PENFOLD Phyllis mmn. Richards Liskeard. 5c 91 Q2 1920
PENFOLD Sophia mmn. Richards Bodmin. 5c 111 Q4 1914

Penfold Births with mother Orchard: (found on FreeBMD)

Susanna 1912 Holsworthy
Amy 1913 Okehampton
Defiance 1915 (Jun) unclear
Nelson 1915 (Dec) Axbridge
Betsy 1916 Holsworthy
Thomas 1917 Axbridge
Alfred W 1920 (Mar) Bridgewater
Caroline 1920 (Jun) Crediton

Henry son of Robert & Amelia Penfold Hawker 15 June 1855 at Lytchett Minster
Elizabeth daughter of Robert & Amelia Penfold Pedlar 1 Jan 1860 at Chickerell
Births. Fiance Penfold 1872 Redruth...

St Enoder Baptisms

21 Sep 1882, Edward PENFOLD, son of Edward and Rachel, Hawker at Summercourt Fair, Plymouth usual abode.

Pricilla PENFOLD, birth, Dec qtr 1860, Dorchester (Dorset), Vol 5a, page 313

Robert PENFOLD, bap 22 Jun 1832, parents John & Harriet, Up Nately, Hampshire.

( i will modify this later i know i have missed a couple!)
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Post by: toni* on Tuesday 13 November 07 14:09 GMT (UK): Deaths:
John Penfold b 1809, died 21 feb 1870.
Defiance Penfold died age 0 Q2 1873 Penzance 5c 186
Missellie Penfold died age 1 Newton Abbot Q1 1908 5b 97
William Penfold & Bessie Penfold nee Palmer both died 1926
Truro Cemetery Ref 1171 Christopher PENFOLD 17 Apr 1959 Age 58 (He is Christopher b 1901)
PENFOLD Thomas 70 St Columb vol. 5c page 98

Monumental Inscription: St George's, Portland

In loving memory of Alice Penfold beloved wife of James Penfold who died June 22 1932 aged 58 years

Carnation Penfold nee Richards d/o Justinyen/Justinian Richards, she died age 23 , 17 jan 1906 , of acute TB

Florence Mabel Penfold nee Whitcombe d. 1917
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Post by: toni* on Tuesday 13 November 07 14:10 GMT (UK): Other Notes:
John penfold b 1897 went to WW1 ...but came back and died of Pneumonia
William Penfold (who married Bessie Palmer) was in a war, but we have been told it was the Boer war
Frederick Penfold died 4/10/1917 – is not connected

Possible issue of John & Harriet James.

John (Q1,1837,Kingsclere,7,81)
Sarah (Q4,1838, Brighton,7,310)
Tom (Q1,1840, Midhurst,7,385)
Charlotte (Q3, 1846,Worthing,7,544)
Christopher (Q2,1845, Midhurst,7,414)
Alfred (Q2,1848,Lewes,7,116)
Henry (Q2,1851, Worthing,7,592)
Edward (Q1,1853,Worthing,2b,286)

Possible issue of Thomas & Sophia Orchard.

Fiance (Q3,1872,Redruth,5c,240)
Christopher (Q3,1877,Redruth,5c,222)
Nelson (Q1, 1883,St. Columb,5c,93)
Harriet (Q3,1891, Bideford,5b,492)

John (Q4,1837,Kingsclere,7,84)
Emily (Q4,1888,Kingsclere,7,94)
George (Q3, 1842, Kingsclere,7,104)

RG11; 2529; 120; 85
United Alms Houses Wooten St Mary
Sophia Orchard 36 Inmate (Head) (Inmate) Female
born: Warminster, Wiltshire, England
Windower (Widower)
Occupation: Nurse To United Hospital (Inst Ser)

Possible issue of Edward Penfold & Rachel Holland

Laurel Sep 1/4 1885 Totnes 5b 169
Harriet Sep 1/4 1891 Bideford 5b 492
Thomas Dec 1/4 1892 Williton 5c 277
Christopher Sep 1/4 1894 Williton 5c 2_0
Moses Mar 1/4 1896 Williton 5c 265

I don't see a John in Somerset

The nearest I can see for J 13 is

James Mar 1/4 1889 Barnstaple 5b 474

Looking good for Pricilla PENFOLD, 6 months, b Dorchester,a daughter living with Robert and Amelia PENFOLD in Uplyme Devon in the 1861 (in the list of persons not in houses).
And in 1871 with Robert and Amelia as daughter Pricilla PENFOLD age 11 (though she is listed as b Leigh Dorset - but her 13yo sister is listed as b Dorchester).
But 1881 throws a spanner in the works. Robert and Amelia still have a daughter Priscilla with them - age 18 born Ibberton Dorset.

so it could be James & keziah are brother & sister
but where does Wisdom fit ?
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Post by: deb usa on Tuesday 13 November 07 14:12 GMT (UK): TONI ...Blimey .... Thanks ..... WOW :o :o :o... Unbelievable !!

********* = Gold stars for Toni

deb :D ;D
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Post by: Bellou on Tuesday 13 November 07 14:18 GMT (UK): Any links in this topic with Elizabeth Penfold b 1808 Bramley Hants who married William Munday b 1808 Kingsclere, Hants . They married on 29 Sept 1830 in Kingsclere . Elizabeth died in 1839 leaving two young children ?

My Great x 3 grandparents !
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Post by: toni* on Tuesday 13 November 07 14:19 GMT (UK): i read through everyones posts and just bunched togther all the info. its everyones hard work not mine! lol

its not all there i only managed to do the first two threads and also it is not in any order,
i have only posted confirmed info. so marriages for example where we have a BMD ref or the cert.

i had to post it quick cos i am just leaving work to go and pick my kids up! a morning well spent don't you think! he he he
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Post by: tiggi on Tuesday 13 November 07 14:26 GMT (UK): Wisdom Smith I believe ( unconfirmed) was son of James Smith and Keziah Smith James sister so wisdom would be her nephew and he married Edith Buckland 1872 Bromsgrove daughter Tenett Buckland & Keziah Smith
Edith died 27th July 1891 buried in Honiton church aged 38 alone no other family in grave.
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Post by: deb usa on Tuesday 13 November 07 14:29 GMT (UK): Hi Bellou

do you have parents for your Elizabeth Penfold (1808).

I have John Penfold (1809) = Harriet James (1814, Kingclere)
Robert Penfold (1816) = Amelia Page
Maria penfold (1831) =Henry Thompson
There are others ...their parents were John Penfold and Charlotte??

deb
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Post by: colleena on Tuesday 13 November 07 14:32 GMT (UK): :) :) :) :)**********************************

Toni you're amazing

Colleen
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Post by: deb usa on Tuesday 13 November 07 14:44 GMT (UK): Toni ...

I just added the Penfold name so that we are clear on the children's surnames ... ;)

Quote from: toni* on Tuesday 13 November 07 14:10 GMT (UK)
Possible issue of John PENFOLD & Harriet James.

John (Q1,1837,Kingsclere,7,81)
Sarah (Q4,1838, Brighton,7,310)
Tom (Q1,1840, Midhurst,7,385)
Charlotte (Q3, 1846,Worthing,7,544)
Christopher (Q2,1845, Midhurst,7,414)
Alfred (Q2,1848,Lewes,7,116)
Henry (Q2,1851, Worthing,7,592)
Edward (Q1,1853,Worthing,2b,286)

Possible issue of Thomas PENFOLD & Sophia Orchard.

Fiance (Q3,1872,Redruth,5c,240)
Christopher (Q3,1877,Redruth,5c,222)
Nelson (Q1, 1883,St. Columb,5c,93)
Harriet (Q3,1891, Bideford,5b,492)

deb
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Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 November 07 09:33 GMT (UK): i sent you a PM Deb last night hope you got it, i a mnot sure if we have those census details already or not and waht is the difference between a circus censuss and a normal census?
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Post by: Tephra on Tuesday 20 November 07 09:37 GMT (UK): Quote from: toni* on Tuesday 20 November 07 09:33 GMT (UK)
i sent you a PM Deb last night hope you got it, i a mnot sure if we have those census details already or not and waht is the difference between a circus censuss and a normal census?

I was going to say something but as this is a serious subject I'd better not .......... ;D ;D ;D

Barbara
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Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 November 07 09:39 GMT (UK): lol perhaps i should have worded that differently! ;D ;D
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Post by: Tephra on Tuesday 20 November 07 09:42 GMT (UK): Actually Toni, perhaps you could pose that question in a separate topic. I've actually no idea what the difference is ......... so if you'd like to, go ahead. ;D

Barbara
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Post by: tiggi on Tuesday 20 November 07 12:53 GMT (UK): I am not 100% sure but think it just means that they were a travelling Amusement and as they had to put down on Census where people were from town villiage county etc
For a travelling Circus it didn't come under that and as they were like so many people in one place of different origins easier to put Circus ( but mind you it helps when you are looking for them lol)
Lots of travellers did different things horse trading basket making mat making as trades, but many went and worked for Circus & fairs having their own amusement business I think that's where the fairs that go around Uk stem from today
So you had really 2 types of travellers the real romani lone travellers and the amusement travellers I think myself it helps to define the two
although as families they inter mingled
Way back before Census records there were those that ran Dance booths another type of Amusement entertainment by traveller's ( not always legal)
and its from that the fairs etc stem but then we also have foreign persons coming over here with circus as amusement and the romani people saw it as a way to make money ( clever people changing with the times attaching themselves to circus)
hope that explains it for you
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Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 November 07 12:56 GMT (UK): i am going to pst the PM on here as i forgot for one moment that there are other Penfold / Orchard researchers like you Tiggi! :o ;D

Hi Deb, Lorraine has a circus thread on here i asked her to check for Penfold and Orchard bearing in mind that Edward was bapt. at Sumemrcote Fair (St Enoder) this is what she found:~

Hi Toni

Iv found these entries on the 1891 circus censes

Caravan and tent, Bowden Down, Brentor, Devon 1891
(PRO Pc 1751 Folio 12 Pg 17 Sched 123)
Joseph Orchard, head, 28, licensed hawker, Devon, Culmstock
Susan Orchard, wife, 28, licensed hawer, Bristol
Sally Orchard, daugher, 8, Somerset, Withycombe
Billy Orchard, son, 5, Somerset, Brendon Hill
Abraham Orchard, son, 2, Cornwall, Roche

Also these on the 1881 cirus census

Caravans, Udalls Field, Lower Richmond, Putney, Surrey 1881
PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0662 Folio 59 Page 1+
Robert PENFOLD M 31 M Putney, Surrey, Head Travellers
Mary A. PENFOLD M 30 F Putney, Surrey, Wife Travellers
Louisa PENFOLD 3 F Hackney, Middlesex, (Daur) Travellers
Henry PENFOLD 1 M Battersea, Surrey, (Son) Travellers
Caravans, Udalls Field, Lower Richmond, Putney, Surrey 1881
PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0662 Folio 59 Page 1+
William PENFOLD M 32 M N K, England Head Traveller
Priscilla ((Presella)) PENFOLD M 31 F Putney, Surrey, Wife Traveller
Edward PENFOLD 6 M Battersea, Surrey, Son Traveller
James PENFOLD 1 M Wanstead, Essex, Son Traveller
Ellen PENFOLD 12 F Battersea, Surrey, Dau Traveller
Nancy PENFOLD 8 F Battersea, Surrey, Dau Traveller

hope they help

Lorraine

not quite sure of the signifigance of a circus census, is it different to a normal one ?
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Post by: deb usa on Tuesday 20 November 07 13:28 GMT (UK): Hi tiggi ;D ;D

I was thinking the same myself ... I think that the circus/entertainment/traveller census just makes it easier to look up.

Thanks for that Toni ....

deb :)
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Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 November 07 18:12 GMT (UK): having posed the question what if the difference between the two census i thought you might be interested in the reply :~

circus folk are not on the normal census records as they where classed travellers so they had a seperate census done which includes fairground gypse hawkers and general travelleres

lorraine

so there you go then ;D
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Post by: casalguidi on Wednesday 26 December 07 10:48 GMT (UK): Hi Lorraine

Quote
circus folk are not on the normal census records as they where classed travellers so they had a seperate census done which includes fairground gypse hawkers and general travelleres

That makes no sense to me whatsoever ;D

There wasn't a separate census for circus folk or travellers. From 1871 all "travellers" should be listed in the census in the normal way ie. as they appeared on the enumerators route. There was no instruction to include them in 1841 or 1851 though occasionally they were recorded by conscientious enumerators. In 1861 separate forms were provide to list those not living in houses and these are usually to be found at the end of each parish/district etc.. You might find the following link helpful as to who was and wasn't included:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hitch/gendocs/census2.html#IT

Casalguidi :)
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Post by: cathayb on Sunday 03 February 08 22:47 GMT (UK): i dont know about hunts.but has this thred closed now?i am looking for info on henry penfold who married ocean hughes.i can be contacted at

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Post by: deb usa on Sunday 03 February 08 23:06 GMT (UK): Cathayb

hi ...I have left a message on the traveller's Boards ... i , like you are descendant og john penfold and harriet james ... Your henry who ,married Ocean Hughes is the brother of my Thomas who married Soffia Orchard ...

I am so happy to meet you .... I have info on Your Henry and a photo of him and Ocean. Wish I had a photo of my lot...

deb you cousin somehow ;D
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Post by: Tephra on Monday 04 February 08 01:31 GMT (UK): Hey fantastic, another connection made through the Scavenger Hunts. I'm really happy for you Deb.

And Welcome to RootsChat Cathayb, I hope you'll have many hours of fun and learning here. The Hunts are ongoing, they never stop as new information is coming in all the time. If you'd like to be a part of the Scavenger Hunts, just send me a PM and I'll put you on the list.

Barbara
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Post by: tiggi on Monday 04 February 08 10:30 GMT (UK): Hi Cathayb
I am related to you too and know of someone related to Ocean hughes
If you message me I will chat to you
Hi Debs how you doing ?
I would love a photo of Henry & Ocean please could you send it to me sandy
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Post by: cathayb on Monday 04 February 08 12:48 GMT (UK): hullo all.i dont know what a pm is.i am new to this site and dont understand all.i am better if people could email me on

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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,207046.0.html

The other girls know how the site works. I am sure they will contact you by PM very soon ;D

i too have a photo of ocean and henry i wonder if its the same one?please anyone who can offer help to me or tell me how to use this site.please do.i am only and old rom 57 who never used a computer till 6 months ago.i am self taught and very stupid.i still live on a romany site in somerset in england.but i do have quite a few trees if any one wants them email me and i will email you back with them.they are too big to go on here.i am so pleased to meet so many relatives.if you look on romanygenes the exhibition and birch sites are my info.also hughes on dorset and somerset.do please all keep in touch.lots of hugs cathay
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Post by: Tephra on Monday 04 February 08 14:12 GMT (UK): Cathay, I am so pleased for you having found some more relatives through RootsChat. I'm sure both Deb and tiggi will be in touch.

Barbara
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Post by: cathayb on Monday 04 February 08 21:50 GMT (UK): am trying to send you all a photo but i am having trouble.its of ocean and henry penfold.love cathay.sorry its not them.i couldnt find them so youve got sally penfolds wedding to a orchard!1906 at holsworthy
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Post by: toni* on Monday 04 February 08 21:51 GMT (UK): wow what a great photo

your so lucky t have the writing on them too!
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Post by: deb usa on Monday 04 February 08 22:51 GMT (UK): Hi cathay

Thanks soo much for the photo's ...I have copies of them too ...the picture of Henry penfold anmd Ocean Hughes is the same as the one I have ...

I will find some more and send them onto you ... seems like all of us have the same pics ... I am so glad everyone shares ...How brilliant .!! ;D

deb
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Post by: Tephra on Monday 04 February 08 23:09 GMT (UK): Brilliant photo Cathay, you're so lucky to have them.

Barbara
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Post by: colleena on Saturday 23 February 08 15:39 GMT (UK): :) :) :)

Hi Deb

I thought I would post this here as it now connects my Smiths to your Penfolds,

I am delighted to say that Robert Penfold father (John) married Fiance Smith sister to Harriet Lee (nee Smith) (my GR GR Grandmother) on July 17 1854 in Uffculme Devon,

The marriage certificate is a bit wet as it was put in the wrong box, no wonder it was late

:) :) :)Colleen
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Post by: cathayb on Saturday 23 February 08 16:02 GMT (UK): hi.thanks for your last posting.do i know you?have we spoke before?i have lost the thread due to computer breakdown!!i am related to the penfolds in devon and a lot of my ancestors were around ufculme,west down,barnstaple and plymouth.betsy penfold daughter of henry and ocean penfold married grandad joe taylor.have a lot of info on her if you want it.love cathayb
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Post by: colleena on Saturday 23 February 08 16:14 GMT (UK): :) :) :)

Hi Cathayb

I am related my great grandfather was the infamous Abraham Boswell, and my gg grandmother was Selina Lee 1884-1906, it her line the Smiths and the Lees that I am researching, and the Smiths, over the last couple of years I have manged to purchase all marriage certificates of the Smiths, so Peggy married Joseph orchard and Fiance married into deb's line the Penfolds, and Betsy married into Sandy's line Buckland's, being in Australia makes it a little more harder, but must say its great when you have a stoke of luck, I will email you direct and thankyou for your kind offer very much appreciated

regards Colleen
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Post by: deb usa on Saturday 23 February 08 16:17 GMT (UK): Hi Colleen and Cathay :-* :-*

Oh That is GREAT news ....

Who were the witnesses ...etc etc

deb .... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: deb usa on Saturday 23 February 08 16:20 GMT (UK): :) :)

Also remember , Christopher Penfold ( brother to my William = Soffia ORCHARD), His 2nd wife was Maria BOSWELL , sister of the infamous Abraham Boswell. His 1st wife was Carnation Richards .

deb :o
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Post by: colleena on Saturday 23 February 08 16:24 GMT (UK): :) :) :)

Hi Deb

Silly isnt it, but am wrapped to know Fiance was my gg aunt,

Well the witnesses were a Joseph Orchard and Sally Penfold, although it was spelt Pinfall, and they married in the parish church, ages full age for Robert (Hawker) and under age for Fiance spinster

When it dries out do you want me to send you a copy?

Colleen :) :) :) :) :)
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Post by: colleena on Saturday 23 February 08 16:27 GMT (UK): :) :) :)Deb

yes twice connected how's that,

Doesn't make me feel quite as isolated being on the other side of the world

Colleen 8) 8)
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Post by: deb usa on Saturday 23 February 08 16:43 GMT (UK): Colleen

Oh yes please .... send it asap :)

I wonder if Sally Penfold is his sister , Sarah b 1833? Ooooo and I wonder if Joseph Orchard is connected to my Soffia .... I will have to find my Orchard stuff ;D

and Colleen ... I feel isolated here to ...thank goodness for the internet ...

deb
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Post by: colleena on Saturday 23 February 08 16:50 GMT (UK): Deb

will send it on, sandy will be waiting to know she will be delighted

Just out of curiosity who's Priscilla Penfold

Colleen :) :) :)
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Post by: cathayb on Saturday 23 February 08 17:51 GMT (UK): did you all see the photo i posted of sally penfolds wedding to a orchard?i am also related to ocean who married henry.she was a hughes,daughter of our gt.gt.gt.grandad robert hughes.i have forgotton how to let you all have my email address but if those of you that have email it to those who dont we will get sorted.i am not very good on here i am afraid.just an old gypsy ratley me.i have a photo and quite a few certs to if anyone wants them.oh photo of henry and ocean that is.love cathayb
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Post by: matilda1973 on Sunday 24 February 08 21:44 GMT (UK): Cathay
if you click on the little green scroll under people picture you can send them a personal message then give them you email
hope that helps
Matilda ;) (louise)
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Post by: cspenfold on Monday 19 May 08 13:23 BST (UK): re: posts #46 + #167

The Christopher Penfold born 1901 died 1959 Truro is my grandfather.
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Post by: toni* on Monday 19 May 08 13:29 BST (UK): Hi, please to meet you
Deb will be so happy she has found another cousin

i am sure you will have lots of info to share
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Post by: deb usa on Monday 19 May 08 13:35 BST (UK): Hi cspenfold

;D ;D ;D I am THRILLED to meet you! :D

Your Grandfather and my grandmother were brother and sister

William b. 1871 (s/o Thomas & Sophia) m. Bessie Palmer Falmouth 8 jan 1898
Children:
John b 1897 d 1922
Christianna b june q 1898 d Sept q 1898
Thomas b sept q 1899 Truro
Christopher b Mar q 1901 Truro
Sophia b sept q 1902 =william Barron
William b sept q 1904 Truro
Edward b Mar 1908 Truro
Nelson b June q 1910 Truro = Pearlie Hawkins
Walter b Jun 1912 Truro = no.1 Marjorie?? (3 kids), no.2 Muriel?? (2 kids)
Violet Venie b 19 March 1914 = Thomas Philip James Debs grandparents
Stanley Moses b 1815

wooohooooooo !!!!

deb ;D :o
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Post by: cspenfold on Monday 19 May 08 13:43 BST (UK): Wow - that's fantastic!

My father is a Christopher Penfold too, and guess what, so am I!

I will have to habve a good read through this thread later and try to fit it all together as I've only briefly skimmed it so far, I'm on my lunchbreak at work. I though the photograph of the wedding was brilliant and am kean to to find out as much as possible as I have only recently started looking.

Hopefully I can ask you some questions later if that's OK?

Chris
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Post by: deb usa on Monday 19 May 08 13:45 BST (UK): Chris

Ask away !!!! I am so excited! Hopefully you can fill in some details for us too ...

your cousin deb ;D
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Post by: Tephra on Monday 19 May 08 14:10 BST (UK): Wow Deb...........so how many cousins have you found through this thread now?? ;D ;D

I'm tickled pink for you. Congratulations ;D ;D

Barbara
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Post by: deb usa on Monday 19 May 08 14:20 BST (UK): ;D ;D

Trillions and trillions .... ;D

Chris' dad , Christopher must be my mum's first cousin.... I will have to get hold of her and find out !

deb
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Post by: Tephra on Monday 19 May 08 14:24 BST (UK): Just think of all the Christmas cards you're gonna have to send out this year.... ;D ;D ;D

I think it's great.

Barbara
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Post by: matilda1973 on Tuesday 20 May 08 19:27 BST (UK): Another one to the Family well done Debs
Matilda ;)
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Post by: cathayb on Tuesday 20 May 08 19:40 BST (UK): i have a chris penfold married sally hughes.they are buried in tiverton i think.i will check.sally was married in torrington devon.i think it may be the same chris.mine was born cornwall 1901 and sally was born 1896. oh hi matilda?hope your well.love to you and yours. cathayb
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Post by: cspenfold on Tuesday 20 May 08 19:41 BST (UK): Hi again Deb,

I'm not sure of the way things are done on here but obviously most people discussed are long departed but I only really know about my fathers brothers and sisters and their kids etc. who are mostly still alive so is it best to send you details via a message?
I think I will for now.

Chris
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Post by: cathayb on Tuesday 20 May 08 19:45 BST (UK): no not the same one.i have yours in my tree as well.do you know who yours married.i also have a chris penfold married our gt.aunt ocean taylor.she married his brother 1st ,christopher 2nd. cathayb
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Post by: cspenfold on Tuesday 20 May 08 19:46 BST (UK): Hi cathayb

My Chris P was definately buried in Truro in 1959, before I was born, but I've been to his grave many times (always a bit wierd when it the same name as yourself and your dad) and I was at the funeral when my Granny Ivy (his wife) was intered with him in 1981.

Chris.
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Post by: deb usa on Tuesday 20 May 08 19:47 BST (UK): Hi everyone

this is so fab ... I wonder if you know my parents , Chris?

deb
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Post by: cspenfold on Tuesday 20 May 08 19:47 BST (UK): Sorry, getting a bit out of sinc there, My grandad was married to Ivy Gertrude Carr.
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Post by: deb usa on Tuesday 20 May 08 19:54 BST (UK): My mum Knows your dad ...Does he live in Perranporth?

she also knew your Nan and granddad!!! She called them uncle Chrissie and aunty Ivy.... They lived a few doors down from my Granny Mabel Middleton. My dad used to be fed often by your nan !!!!! My mum met my dad at aunty Ivy's house!

Blimey :o :o :o

added ..my dad was Billy Penfold's best friend.
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Post by: deb usa on Tuesday 20 May 08 20:00 BST (UK): Guess what ...

Chris ...My mum tells me I visited you nan and granddad very often when I was a kid!
:o :o :o :o
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Post by: cathayb on Tuesday 20 May 08 20:27 BST (UK): yes i am related to you too chris.i just need to work out how.thanks for the name.do you have lots of certs to back up your tree?i could send you some by email if you email me privately with your email address.have you got a birth ddate and death date for ivy?thanks.
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Post by: deb usa on Tuesday 20 May 08 20:39 BST (UK): Hi cathay

Nice to see you again ;D

Okay this is how we are related...

John Penfold married Harriet James .... lots of kidsincluding:
Thomas Penfold who married Soffia Orchard ...they had lots of kids including:
William penfold who married Bessie palmer ..they had lots of kids including
Christopher penfold b 1901 truro ...This is cspenfold's grandad
Violet venie Penfold b 1914 ...this is my nan

phew

we are all related through John Penfold and Harriet James

deb ;D
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Post by: cathayb on Tuesday 20 May 08 21:04 BST (UK): sorry debs,i am being a bit thick tonight.of course your all down on my tree if only i looked properly!!!the only bit i see is missing is who your granma violet married.i know he was a james but i have nt got his first name.cathay.who are we actually looking for on this hunt.
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Post by: deb usa on Tuesday 20 May 08 21:08 BST (UK): Hi Cathay

Violet Venie penfold married Philip Thomas James ... errr don't have the date ...need to find it.

We are not looking for anyone at the moment ...Chris found us and so by replying this thread came to the fore again !! ;D

hope you are well

deb :D
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Post by: deb usa on Tuesday 20 May 08 22:04 BST (UK): hi again

nice to see you on your avatar , Chris ...will change mine . ;D this is soo exciting !

Chris , ...... Cathay, Matilda and Colleena , who are on this thread, are also related to you!!!!!!

deb
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Post by: cspenfold on Monday 26 May 08 11:15 BST (UK): Hi Debs

re: post # 208

I knew a William Barron from Mevagissey who was my dad's cousin so must be the son of the William Barron that married Sphia born 1902. He died 3/4 years ago and has a son......who's name fails me at the moment but I can find out....and was married to auntie Tish.....I'll can find out her maiden name also if it's any help but I expect you probably have it .
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Post by: cathayb on Monday 26 May 08 11:25 BST (UK): i am desperately seeking to tie up london penfolds with devon penfolds.my christopher who married patience guess/gess both from devon were staying in gurlings yard battersea london with a lot of the london penfolds in 1891 and 1901,i feel sure there has to be a marriage or a link somewhere. also moses penfold who married elizabeth collinson he was born abour 1827 i cant find his perants anywhere.anyone have any idea?he was a london gypsy too. love cathay.
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Post by: jamajo on Monday 26 May 08 12:07 BST (UK): Hi Cathayb,

Hope you dont mind me asking but have you seen the tree on a------y for Patience Gess?

It has quite a lot of info on there and you may have a lot of it but i thought it worth a try. :)

Sue
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Post by: cathayb on Monday 26 May 08 12:43 BST (UK): oh thanks sue.i proberly have but it hadnt registered in me mind.i will go and have a lokksy now.thanks cathay
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Post by: cathayb on Thursday 29 May 08 22:13 BST (UK): well sue?does my memory serve me right?!!!lolscroll up two!!!
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Post by: cathayb on Thursday 29 May 08 22:45 BST (UK): sorry sue,i didnt mean to send you that last note it was supposed to be for someone else and i got mixed yp.you must think i going mad. put it down to a senior moment!!!!!cathayb
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Post by: toni* on Sunday 01 June 08 22:07 BST (UK): can we help here ?

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=307903.new
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Post by: cspenfold on Saturday 16 May 09 12:19 BST (UK): Hi all, I came across the linked picture recently in a book called "Victorian and Edwardian Devon from old photographs" by Brian Chugg.

(http://www.rhc.rdg.ac.uk/olib/images/P_DX1127.jpg)

It is obviously from the same day as cath's at #191.

In the book it say's the bride is Sally Penfold and her groom an Orchard and that the man second from the left is her father-in-law, Joe Orchard - this is at odds with the note on Cath's.

The ackowledgement in the book says it comes from The Museum of English Rural Life at Reading University so I got the link for the picture from there.

You can go to http://www.reading.ac.uk/merl/commercialservices/merl-imagesandreprographics.asp and click on "Browse our online database" on the right hand menu and put Penfold in. Amongst the other things it finds is the same picture of James Penfold's brush wagon which Cath also has a copy of
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Post by: Tephra on Saturday 16 May 09 12:33 BST (UK): What a brilliant photo..........thank you for posting it.

I should add, welcome to Rootschat, I'm sure you'll enjoy yourself on this site......and if you'd like a Scavenger hunt for yourself, just send me a PM and I'll put you on the list. :)

Barbara
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Post by: cathayb on Saturday 16 May 09 14:19 BST (UK): a quick note it was a doble wedding that day!!!!i forgot who the other two are but i will have alook.loads of us have got the two photos so they must have had a lot taken off of the wedding.the to men in the carriage(wagon)are alfie birch (my husband joes gt grandad and joey birch!!!!.i will look for the other details and post them as soon as i find them.i will try and find the other photo aswell.
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Post by: deb usa on Saturday 16 May 09 19:23 BST (UK): Hi Cousins and everyone ;D

Chris ............ great photo .... wish there was one of my Thomas P who married Sophia Orchard. Mayne they are in the photos but I don't even know they are there! :-\ :'(

deb in warm, humid and wet north Carolina
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Post by: aliperth on Sunday 14 July 13 13:41 BST (UK): Ok...so I think I am joined to this as follows:

Robert Penfold b1816 m Amelia Page b1818
Their daughter
Elizabeth Penfold b1859 Dorchester d1925 Weymouth (m 1887) John Mayne b1856 Surrey
Their children
John Mayne b 1888 Swanage
Robert Mayne b 1888 Swanage
Elizabeth Mayne b 1891 Weymouth
Rachel Vera b1895 Weymouth d1947 Sydney Australia (m1918) Walter Percy Scott AIF in Chickerell
Patience b 1900 Wyke Regis

Can any confirm that I've go the right Elizabeth that married John Mayne?

Thanks, Alison
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Post by: tiggi on Sunday 14 July 13 22:25 BST (UK): Hi Alison

A John Mayne did marry in 1887 Jan/Feb/Mar Dorchester 5a 608, having looked for a Elizabeth Penfold yes there is one same place date etc and ref No which suggests they wed each other
have you bought this certificate ? it should give you fathers this would help trace Elizabeth Penfold side & John's factually

I found Elizabeth birth register - 1859 Dorchester Jan/Feb/Mar 5a 362

1861 Rowcomb Lane, Uplyme Axminster Devonshire
Robert with Amelia - Robert M 23 Southampton - Thomas 12 Exeter- James 11 Bridgewater
Holiff/Olive 8 Dorset - Henry 6 Yeovil - Elizabeth 2 Dorchester - Priscilla 6mths Dorchester
Maria Thompson 29 Hampshire Sister & Henry Thompson 6 Bath Nephew

Maria was a Penfold who wed Henry Thompson 1853 Southampton
It would appear she was daughter of a John & Charlotte baptised 1831 3rd July Brockenhurst Hampshire - John occupation was dealer in Brushes,so that would then make Robert also a son if her brother, although nothing proved to back this up other than entry on this census.

1871 Near Seaway Lane, Abbotsbury Weymouth Dorset
lists Robert & Ameila with their children - Thomas b 1848 Devon - Harry b 1856 Somerset - Robert 1851 Devon- Holiff/Olive 1853 Dorset - Elizabeth 1858 Dorset -Priscilla 1860 Dorset

1881 Hod Hill Lane, Shillingstone Aka Shilling Okeford Dorset
Robert Penfold 65 Wiltshire -Brushmaker - Amelia 65 Kent- Elizabeth 21 Dorset - Priscilla 18 Dorset with married children
+
Harry Penfold 25 Somerset - Charlotte 22 Hampshire - Henry 6 Hampshire - Wm 5 Dorset
Charlotte 3 Dorset - Amelia 3mths

James Penfold 27 Bridgewater Somerset - Priscilla 24 Portsmouth - Priscilla 6 Somerset- John 5 Dorset- Patience 3 Dorset

Thomas Penfold 30 Dorset - Patience 22 Sussex - Patience 9 Dorset - Richard 5 Dorset
There are some more names a couple could William 23 & Olive 24 ? daughter Betsy 2 unable to read correctly surname could be Robert daughter Holiff?

I have looked at 1891 & 1901 & 1911 Census

1891 1, Caravan, Billnton, Stanton Drew Clutton Somerset
John Mayne 25 b 1866 Surrey - traveller - Elizabeth 32 b 1859 Dorchester
John 6- Robert 5- Elizabeth 1 -
+
Charlotte Penford 15 Dorset - servant
Henry Penford 20 Hampshire -servant
Bill Riddle 48 Wiltshire- servant
Also a family of Walker in caravan David 54? Elizabeth 54 - Arthur unable to read place of births
Think Charlotte & Henry would be Elizabeth brother's children Harry

1901 3, Devon Terrace, Weymouth finds family of John & Elizabeth Mayne living in a caravan in Cemetery lane
John 35 Hawker - Elizabeth 40-John 13 -Robert 13- Elizabeth 10 - Rachel 6 - Patience 6mths

1911 Putton Lane Chickerell Weymouth in 1 room
Alfred Penfold 26 ( b 1885) married 6mths born Hampshire greengrocer/hawker - Cissie 21 b Dorset
on next page
Lower Chickerell Road Chickerell Weymouth
John Mayne 45 greengrocer/hawker - Elizabeth 45 married 24 yrs 7 children 2 died/5 living
John 23-married -Robert 23 -single- Rachel 17 single- Patience 11
Henry Penfold 50 (b 1861) single -servant greengrocer/hawker no place of origin given
likely the son of Elizabeth brother Harry who was with her in 1891

Robert & Amelia their first child Robert was christened in 1838 25th March Minstead Hampshire
and they married in 1836 26th Dec Bishop Waltham Hampshire- Amelia nee Page

Rachel Penfield 1840 13th Dec Cranborne, Dorset
John Penfold 1843 8th Jan Privett, Hampshire
Olive Penfold christened 19th Dec 1852 Winfrith-Newburgh, Dorset
Priscilla Penfield 1860 28th Oct Hilfield Dorset
Elizabeth Penfold christened 1st Jan 1860 West Chickerell, Dorset

I know that the Robert Penfold bapt 1832 Hampshire son of John & Harriet James married Defiance Smith then lived with her sister Louisa Smith when Defiance died, having several children by both sisters who are part of my family line, so not same person.
John & Harriet also had
Son John Penfold christened 1834 29th June Hale Hampshire, but they came from Hythe Kent
Son William Penfold christened 1836 31st July Pimperne, Dorset
Daughter Charlotte christened 1838 2nd Sept North Stoneham Hampshire
Daughter Elizabeth Penfold 1845 14th Sept Weymouth Dorset
Son Alfred Penfold 1847 7th November Chard Somerset

The earliest John Penfold I can find was christened 1813 19th Sept Portsmouth St Thomas
son of John & Elizabeth Hawker - could they also be parents of Robert if b 1816?

A John Penfold & Elizabeth Thompson banns read 1817 9th April Goudhurst Kent

John Penfold & Harriet James banns were read in Pimperne Dorset 1831 2nd May

could their be a connection ?
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Post by: cathayb on Saturday 20 July 13 15:40 BST (UK): just signing in to this thread as some of my folks.i would like to see what turns up.
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Post by: toni* on Wednesday 18 September 13 16:36 BST (UK): Deb are we on the hunt again ?
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Post by: TaraLGill on Sunday 20 September 15 23:25 BST (UK): Hello distant relatives!

I've taken a ton of screenshots to hopefully help me write up a bit more of the tree tomorrow! Project for my Nan, she is now a gill, daughter of Nelson temple vercoe & Amy penfold. I've read through this & scavenger 1. Also trying to use up my 3 newbie posts so I can pm! We're in Cornwall, UK & Holsworthy, Devon (my nan visits a cousin I think she is, Sophie?). So glad you worked out the great defiance mystery, it's had me stumped all afternoon! Tara

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