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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: woodturner on Friday 09 November 07 21:49 GMT (UK)
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Seeking info about William Webb, born about 1853 to John Webb and Elizabeth Ricketts. John and Elizabeth were married 1851 at Newport chapel, Berkeley, Gloucestershire. They lived all of their married life in or near Woodford so I am know that William was born there too. I don't know if he lived into adulthood or died young. I have him on the 1861 census aged 7yrs then nothing.
Many thanks.
Gloucestershire-WEBB,EAMES, RICKETTS,GINGELL,BICK,TEFFEY
Monmouthshire- WEBB,JENKINS,SCOTT,DIX,WARREN
Glamorgan- WEBB,SCOTT,
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1871
RG10/2662/69/9
Swindon
John Webb 49 Lab Swindon
Elizabeth 47 Cheltenham Gloucestershire
Arthur 22 Lab Cheltenham Gloucestershire
Henry 19 Lab Swindon
William 17 Lab Swindon
Joseph 16? Lab Swindon
Henry Daw 4 G/son Swindon
Ref for 1861
RG9/1796/75/3 Swindon
Frances
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I suggest that you cannot be sure where William Webb (WW) was born if you do not have his birth certificate.
Likewise you really need his parents' marriage certificate in order to know where and when they were married unless you have definitive proof in the form of a parish register or Bishops transcript entry. There's no JW X ER marriage registered in 1851 according to freebmd nor is the extracted marriage data shown in the batch M016481 - Berkeley marriages 1802 to 1863 - at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm#PageTitle
On freebmd there are quite a few births of WW's registered in 1852/53
Regards
Chas
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Hi Woodturner
I agree with ChasH - once a child is living independently it is hard to tell which one is yours unless they conveniently have a rellie visiting!
There is a boy in the Navy, for example, who could be yours?
There is a William F who marries a Fanny and goes to live in Glamorgan - I don't think he is yours, but i liked him because he is a Wood Machinist!!
By the way - isn't his mother Hannah?
I can rule out a similarly-aged William b Wotton who ends up in Yorkshire - he is mine!
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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This appears to be your William.
Born William Henry Webb 1853. Registered at Dursley, 6a, 155, December 1853
1871 census finds him in Lincolnshire as a Foot Servant to the Rev'd Mirehouse
at Back Street, Colsterworth, Limcolnshire. He gave his place of birth as Wotton-under-Edge for some reason. why not Woodford, Stone, Newport or Berkeley. Throughout the other census same place of birth.
In 1875 his married a local girl called Mary Elizabeth Wilkinson and the marriage was registered at Grantham, 7a, 794, September 1875.
In 1881 he is now living in Bristol at 61 Albert Street. and gives his full name as William Henry c 1853 occupation Shopman
His wife Mary Elizabeth, c 1857 from Colsterworth
children
Emily L, c 1876, Colsterworth
Albert H, c, 1880, Bristol
William M, C 1881 (no age shown) Bristol
1891 census now living at 118 Ashley Vale or Ash Vale, Bristol
William Henry 1854, unable to make out what his occupation is. looks like Colour Oil and Colormans assistant
Mary Elizabeth, wife, c 1857
Emily Louisa, 1876, Milliners Assistant born in Colsterworth
Albert Henry, 1880, born at St Paul's Bristol
William Mannie, 1881 born same place
Arthur Ernest, 1885, born same place
Florence Elsie, 1888, born same place
In 1901 they are now living at 118 Lower Cheltenham Place, Bristol
Occupation appears to be the same
His wife is still there and the only children at home at the time of the census were. William M, Clerk, Arthur. E., Clerk and Florence E
regards
Alf
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Alf,
Don't you think giving so much info. takes away the "excitement " of the chase?
I think it's much better to point the searcher in the right direction and let them have the pleasure of discovery besides learning as they go.
Regards
Chas
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Chas
First of all the Subject matter was "William Webb - what happened to you?" then Woodturner asked for any information on William Webb. I researched...I found information...I passed it on.
I find when hitting a brick wall that any help, be it little or lots is of benefit. It is now surely up to Woodturner to use the info I found, check the info I found or ignore the info I found...the decision is his, he was the one who requested help, I was willing and able, as a local to give him that, so it is not for any of us to decided what he does with it....that is his choice.
Alf
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I think Alf has a good, reasoned story there, which Woodturner can accept or reject - it could be they already have info which will assist in making that decision.
I would be wary of opting for a particular birth - as Chas says there are quite a few Williams in that time frame (one of them is mine, but I haven't bought the cert cos I have seen the original record).
There certainly isn't a William who says he is from Woodford in later censuses - there is a Daniel who does this & he ends up in Monmouthshire. Coincidentally, there is a lodger in Trevethin in 1871 who is from Gloucestershire - might or might not be Woodturner's chap.
The marriage cert from Alf's "theory" would give father's name and help to clarify.
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi Arranroots
Many thanks for you input.
The Daniel you mentioned may be William's brother, born about 1857 and he does mentioned Woodford as his place of birth. I have a different mother for this family
Just to clarify any person born in Woodford and surrounds would have there birth, marriage of death registered either at Thornbury or Dursley. now it is Stroud or Bristol. My late father was born and bred in Woodford and his birth was also registered at Dursley, my self, was Thornbury
Alf
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Hello Everyone,
Many thanks for your responses.
My William is on the 1861 census living in Woodford age 7 and gives Woodford as place of birth. That is the only record I have of him.
Yes Hannah is his mother (Elizabeth was hers) My error.
I have baptism record and marriage cert for John and Hannah which states they wed at Newport Chapel Gloucestershire
( which is not far from Stone). William does not appear to have been baptised at Stone Parish church as his brothers and sisters were. I still need to check if this was done at the Newport chapel.
William had an elder sister born to Hannah before marriage.
Yes he did have a brother Daniel and I have traced him and his brother George to Cadoxton Juxta Barry in Glamorgan.
Re the woodturning. My husband says I make plenty of sawdust but little else!!
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i have a William Webb in the same time frame on my tree from gloucestershire so you may need to check out brecknock as well -have lost my folder with info in due to severe household disruption so can't be sure but it's worth a look might be another branch. in which case hi relative
:)
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Happy New Year everyone. Have been away for Christmas and returned home this evening, so apologies for not replying sooner to any postings. Many thanks for all input and all advise taken on board.
Happy hunting in 2008 with few brick walls to overcome.
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William Webb was a Mayor of Swindon guessing in the 20s. And also A William was father of Elizabeth Jane Webb of Swindon. I would have to check dates . He certainly may have been born elsewhere.