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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Buckinghamshire => Topic started by: Tezz on Saturday 10 November 07 12:52 GMT (UK)
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I have discovered that my family roots lie firmly at Whitchurch.
My 11 x great grandfather, Lawrence Rickard was a stone mason and built some of the church that is still there today.
The family clans seem to have stayed in Whitchurch for about 400 years before venturing into Herts and London.
I have had a great time transcribing the PRS of Whitchurch and learnt loads about my family.
Wondering if anyone else has a link with Whitchurch, Buckinghamshire?
Have some family members from some of the surronding villages too eg Pitchcott, Hardwick cum Weedon, Quainton, Edgcott (to name a few)
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Hi Tezz,
I have the same Lawrence Rickard, son Lawrence Rickard, son Lawrence Rickard, son Lawrence Rickard who married Elizabeth Woolman. Their daughter Jane married John Franklin.
I think we have met before.
Welcome to Roots... It isn't always like this... it's a smashing site. I'm sure you will have a great time here. The Photo Restore section is very special.
Nice to see you
Paula(Pauline)
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Hi Tezz
Welcome to Rootschat.
I have ancestors from Whitchurch. My Grandmother was born there. Her parents were Charles & Mary Dwight. :)
Mary's maiden name was Blowfield, she was also born in Whitchurch as was her mother Betsey, who's maiden name was Cook.
Would love to know if you have come across any of these names in your research.
Regards
Maddie
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Hello Paula and Maddie.
Thank you for welcoming me to this site. I have found it very interesting.
Paula I am not sure if we have met before, but I would be delighted to swap notes with you on the Rickard clan. I note that I have a marriage date for Lawrence and Elizabeth 8 May 1703 at Whitchurch, and I have 12 children listed for them. Lawrence and Elizabeth are my 8 x great grandparents. My line continues with their son Thomas chr 1707 who married Jane Cupper/Cooper.
Maddie You will delighted (?) to know that we share some common ancestors.
I have lots of info regarding the Blowfield/Cook line.
Betsey was the daughter of Stephen and Elizabeth, chr 1822, Stephen was the son of Stephen and Mary nee Rickard (see the info above), and chr in 1777. Stephen and Mary Rickard are my 6 x great grandparents. Mary Rickard can be traced back to the Lawrence Rickard mentioned in my first post.
Happy to exchange/swap notes with either/both of you. I am not sure if my e-mail address is visible, if so please feel free to e-mail me direct.
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Hi Tezz
Well, I'm amazed, I never expected for one minute that we would be sharing ancestors.
Yes, Betsey was the daughter of Stephen & Elizabeth & that is as far as I have reached, so far. ;)
I shall PM you with my mail addy & look forward to sharing info.
Best wishes
Maddie
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I also have Rickard ancestors in Whitchurch and they go back to Lawrence Rickard.
Michelle
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Well blow me.
Welcome to the family, 'cousin' Michelle.
Where do you join the Rickard line?
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Sorry to break into the family reunion. ;D
My Aunty Bessie was from Whitchurch. - Elizabeth Mary Evans. b.1908.
Her lineage:
Joseph Amos Evans c1874. Whitchurch + Elizabeth Louisa Scamp. c1874. Bristol.
David Evans. c1853. Whitchurch + Mary Ann Harding c1855.Swanbourne.¬¬
Joseph Evans c1816. Whitchurch + Martha ? ? ? c1818. Whitchurch.
You rellies would have shopped in their premises up Market Hill, during WW2. I also think there were more Evans in the Post office in Oving in the early 1900's.
Steve. :)
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If anyone would like to see pictures of Whitchurch, there are quite a few here.
Sorry, no village shop, Steve.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0be2/
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Yeah I know. It closed down soon after WW2. He carried a 'slate' for so many of the Whitchurch folk, who never paid of their debts.
He wasn't bothered apparently, as he knew without husbands/jobs etc, that it would be unfair to chase them up.
My Cousin still lives there, and has a box full of those bills and debts.
It didn't close because of the debts, he just retired from it all. Age caught up with him, so he took it easy in later years.
Steve. :)
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He must have been quite a man to do that, Steve.
Good for him.
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Welcome to Whitchurch from me too Michelle.
My Grt Grandfather Charles Dwight may well have driven the Doctor to visit some of your ancestors, he was the Doctors coachman. I think he also upset the local vicar as he married my Grt Grandmother's sister after she died. Not the done thing & they had to go to London for the marriage. ;)
Maddie
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Maddie
My ancestor Sarah Rickard born 1766 was the daughter of John Rickard & Mary Sharp. John and Mary moved to Hoggeston and then Dinton. Michelle
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My GG grandfather, John Parrott lived and died in Whitchurch (born next door in Oving). His son Joseph married Ann Nash, who had a daughter, Mary Ann NASH (bb) who married Joseph Rickard. Not direct ancestors - my GG aunt and uncle if John P was Mary Ann's father.
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Welcome to Whitchurch from me too Michelle.
My Grt Grandfather Charles Dwight may well have driven the Doctor to visit some of your ancestors, he was the Doctors coachman. I think he also upset the local vicar as he married my Grt Grandmother's sister after she died. Not the done thing & they had to go to London for the marriage. ;)
Maddie
Maddie,
We really are cousins! My GG Grandfather was Charles Dwight too, his son David was my G Grandfather!
They did indeed go to London for the marriage and after that were Methodists!
Nicky
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Hi Nicky
My apologies for not replying sooner, we have been away so only just picked up your message.
Yes, we are cousins & have been in contact before. I will PM you.
Maddie
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Hi Everyone-just joined- Whitchurch is the home of my father`s family-the Kibbles-I have tracrd them back to mid 16th century-some were churchwardens and one of them-Francis who died 1699 has his name carved on the church rafters. My 3 times gr grandfather was Thomas Kibble,born whichurch 1832 and his mother was Ann Rickard,born 1788. Does anyone know of other Kibbles in the village who may be related to Thomas as he left for London in the 1850s. I also have other Rickards on my tree and Toogoods.
Lindsay
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Hi Lindsay, welcome to Roots.
Looks like this is becoming a gathering of the Rickard clan. Brilliant.
How interesting to have your Kibble ancestor's name in the church rafters.
Paula
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Hi Maddie. I have just noted your post on Blowfield connection my great grandmother was Ann Blowfield b1842 d1909 (her parents were Thomas Blowfield Blacksmith Whitchurch & Betsy Cook) she married William Butcher who lived in Whitchurch also for a while farmed there his parents(my greatgreat grandparents) lived at Beechmoor farm high st until John Butchers death in 1866 when it was sold to a Roads I think family and then to the Parrotts who still have the farm to this day . Also have a family connection with the Spencer family who lived in Whitchurch, Charles Spencer married John Butchers first wife Mary Jefferys niece Mary Ann Shaw. Regards Normansboy
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Hi Normansboy, welcome to RootsChat :)
I have your Ann Blowfield on my tree, she was my Grt Grandmother Mary's sister. Mary married Charles Dwight & had my Grandmother Hilda, amongst others, but died in 1891, Charles then married their sister Emily. ;) If I can help with any info on the Blowfields I'm happy to share what I know.
Regards
Maddie
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Hi Tezz and all those researching their origins from the Whitchurch area.
My GGGGGGGGGGGreat Grandfather was Lawrence Rickard and I am now attempting to trace all his decendants.
So.if anyonecan help with this question it would be much appreciated.
William Rickard b1842 Married Mary Ann Oakley b1844 in 1869
at St Mary, Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England.
Would anyone know who his parents were?
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According to BucksFHS St.Mary's, Aylesbury. PR's CD.
William Rickard(a Groom), his father is Thomas Rickard(Occ.Footman). ;)
And if you didn't know, Mary Anne Oakley....her father is William Oakley(Occ.Gardener). (Baptism - 1 Sep 1844 Mary Anne, daughter of William & Elizabeth OAKLEY of Aylesbury, Labourer).
Plus - Baptism - 25 Dec 1870 Mary Elizabeth, born 28 Nov 1870, child of William & Mary Ann RICKARD of Granville Place, Aylesbury, Labourer. ;)
Steve. :)
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:)Thanks Steve
One more peice of the puzzle.
Any Thomas in my records who I can identify as possible parents, had children before this William was born or after he was born. So I much appreciated adding his father "Thomas" anoher mystery to be solved and adding further mysteries to be resarched.
That's it for tonight,
;)Chuck
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I have also just joined and am looking for Kibbles. My 7 x great grandfather was Francis Kibble d 1699 who is mentioned here. His father was Ventris Kibble b Whitchurch 1601. From Francis i have traced my family history through William (b 1667 Aston Abbots), William (b 1701 Whitchurch), Richard (b 1733 Edgcott), Edward (b 1759 Edgcott), then Richard (b 1785 Marsh Gibbon). After that the family moved to Oxfordshire and hence to Warwickshire.
Someone out there must be related?
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To Anne DE I think we part ways at Edward born 1759, my line is a further Edward, then a John then a William then to Sarah Ann who was my great grandmother.
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My 4x Great Grandfather was baptised in Whitchurch. William Cuper/Cupper, but was known as COOPER. 31 May 1773, son of John & Elizabeth.
He married twice in Princes Risborough: 1800(to Mary Gomm) & 1809(to Elizabeth King). In 1800 he was described as Bachelor of Whitchurch.
Died and was buried & St Mary's, Princes Risborough, 22 Sept 1843, and was buiried 25 Sept 1843.
Steve. :)
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I have also just joined and am looking for Kibbles. My 7 x great grandfather was Francis Kibble d 1699 who is mentioned here. His father was Ventris Kibble b Whitchurch 1601. From Francis i have traced my family history through William (b 1667 Aston Abbots), William (b 1701 Whitchurch), Richard (b 1733 Edgcott), Edward (b 1759 Edgcott), then Richard (b 1785 Marsh Gibbon). After that the family moved to Oxfordshire and hence to Warwickshire.
Someone out there must be related?
Hi Anne,
I'm researching the Kibble family from Whitchurch too. Back to Edward Kibble (b.1704) so far. He married an Elizabeth Durley . In the following generations, Durley is often found as a forename. My line comes via Thomas Kibble (b.1813) my 4 x great grandfather. He was a bigamist, who after moving to Camberwell London, married my 4 X great grandmother under the name Thomas Thorn (Sarah Martha THORN from Pittcott, Bucks was his mother) but was caught and imprisoned for it! I am at the moment trying to piece together the earlier Kibbles from Whitchurch, as there seems so many of them.
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Hi Everyone-just joined- Whitchurch is the home of my father`s family-the Kibbles-I have tracrd them back to mid 16th century-some were churchwardens and one of them-Francis who died 1699 has his name carved on the church rafters. My 3 times gr grandfather was Thomas Kibble,born whichurch 1832 and his mother was Ann Rickard,born 1788. Does anyone know of other Kibbles in the village who may be related to Thomas as he left for London in the 1850s. I also have other Rickards on my tree and Toogoods.
Lindsay
Hi Lindsay,
Not sure if you will read this after so long but just to let you know that I am researching the Kibbles too. My ancestor is a Thomas Kibble - although a different one to yours. If I am right, I believes our two men are both cousins.
Interesting fact about the rafters by the way!
Tanya
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Hi everyone,
I'm looking for more on my Welch/Welsh ancestors from Whitchurch. My 5th great-grandfather was James Welch. He was born about 1784. I think this was in Whitchurch. He married Phoebe Cheshire in 1806.
I'm struggling to find his parents. On FindMyPast I found a baptism for a James Welsh, son of Robert and Rachel Welsh. However, I have several DNA matches and have seen several family trees that show Richard Welch and Rachel Durley as his parents. I cannot find any sources to prove this. Unfortunately the baptism record from FindMyPast was just a transcript and no image.
Anyways, hoping there might be some others researching the Welch name :)
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Hi Maddie, have just discovered this site whilst exploring my family the 'Dwights' and saw your post. Charles was my great grandfather through his second marriage.
Your grandmother Hilda was his step-sister and had the Beament brothers Jesse and Ronald. I found their WW2 story particularly poignant and always wondered how much Hilda knew of their predicament? It seemed so sad that she passed away only a few months before Ronald was liberated, so never saw him return home.
I have Charles as a groom/gardener -do you have any info on who he worked for?
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Hi & a warm welcome to RootsChat.
My Grandmother Hilda was Charles daughter with his first wife Mary. I do have quite a lot of info on the Dwight's & Blowfield's, Charles was the coachman for a Dr John Richard Henry Sutton in Whitchurch & I am more than happy to share what I have with you if I can help. If you do a couple more posts I can PM you with my mail addy particularly as you mention Hilda's sons. !!
Maddie
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Hi Maddie, thanks very much for that.
David Thomas Dwight was my grandfather - so on the 'other side' from you. I actually have the family bible started by Charles, in my possession, which provided me with plenty of names and dates for his numerous children, which enabled me to start my research some time ago.
I've recently returned to the search and have found it more interesting to focus on individuals to try to learn their stories. They become real people then not merely names on a page - hence my divergence into the Beaments' war. It's rather ironic that both Jesses were lost in war: Beament in WW2 and Jesse Dwight in WW1!
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Hi again & thanks for coming back. Our Charles certainly had quite an abundance of children. ;). I have often thought about my Grandmother loosing her half brother Jesse in WW1 & then my Uncle Jesse in WW2 although sadly she had died before Jesse's death was confirmed. If you are interested I can give you details on where & when Jesse was killed in the Far East.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Maddie
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Hi Maddie,
That's even worse - I assumed that Hilda would have received a War Office letter saying Jesse was KIA, but if it was just MIA -then she would have been holding out hope all that time. So sad. Did they know that Ronald was a prisoner? It appears that info from Japanese camps was very sketchy to say the least.
I have sorted Jesse and Ron's pathway I believe - happy to show you what I've found so you can add and/or correct sometime - not sure how that works on here. So if Jesse was your uncle, who were your parents?
Interesting too that Charles worked for a doctor, so did his son David, my grandfather, who was groom/gardener for Dr Ryder-Richardson, who I believe started in the village in 1929.
Charles and Emily's marriage certificate suggests that might have had an address in St Pancras parish so they could get married there - I guess because Emily must have been pregnant at the time and maybe it wasn't viewed well at home?
My name's Alan by the way, I couldn't use it on this site as already taken.
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Hi Alan :D
I am about to P M you.
Maddie