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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: Stangat on Wednesday 14 November 07 18:30 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Further research has now pointed me to the Seaman's Orphanage and Asylum on Spring Bank in Hull.
I can't find a detailed enough map to locate it's position. Could someone tell me were it was, presuming it was demolished, or if it is still there?
Thanks
Ian
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It could be that you want Newlands Orphanage in Hull. My g.uncle was there from 1901 to 1906. I have some photographs which I got from Hull CC Archives, but unfortunately, because of copyright I cannot put them on here. If you send me a pm with your e-mail address I'll send them to you.
Some of the children are dressed in sailor suits and look very healthy, so even though sad that they were in the orphanage, they were probably better cared for than the children on the outside.
The orphanage is still there, but was up for sale recently. The following is some information my 2nd cousin who still lives in Hull sent to me in an e-mail.
Recently there was a programme on Hull and it featured Newland Orphanage on Cottingham Road. Children who were there I believe most of them were from Sailors and Seamen's Orphanage. It was run by the Sailors Families Society. It was a mass site with individual houses probably like a boarding school. Each house run by a master etc. They had a beautiful swimming pool. Both my children learnt to swim in their pool. It moved across the city and was open for more than 100 years until late into the 1990's
Hope this is of some interest to you.
Liz
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Thanks Liz
Unfortunately it wasn't the Newland Home although that's where I was always told they where!! Newland was opposite Newland Avenue and next to Wheeler St Tram Shed and was still there in June.
I eventually found my relatives in the 1891 census living in the other home which was also a grand building. This one was definitely on Spring Bank, there's a photo of it in the Hull archives but I can't visualise where it was.
The information you posted was still an interesting insite. My lot were "half" orphaned when their father was drowned when his fishing smack was swamped just before Christmas 1887.
If I find out any more I'll post on here.
Thanks again
Ian
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Hi Ian
Sorry, it wasn't the same orphanage. Mine were orphaned after their mother died in 1901, their father having died in 1893 from a heart problem, although he had been a mariner.
Liz
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Hi Stangat...the Seamen's Orphanage you refer to was moved from Spring Bank and became Hesslewood Orphanage...hope this helps.
Carol
>"The Hull central library has 2 items on Hesslewood orphanage.
> 1) Title: Opening of the boys' wing, Hesslewood, 1924 Author: Hull
>Seamen's & General Orphanage
>2) Title: Reports 1858-1938-39 Author: Hull Seamen's & General
>Orphanage.
>There was only one orphanage,having moved from Spring Bank, Hull to
>Hessle, eventually returning to Hull much later. The reports seem to
>consist of the honorary persons of the organisation giving themselves a
>big pat on the back each year. The staff are NEVER mentioned. What's
>new!!!
>Every year though the children in the place are listed in detail with a
>write up for each on who they are and how they came to be in the
>establishment.
> I have been informed that the Hull City Archives have the file on the
>orphanage and you could make enquiries of researcher Gareth Watkins of
>the Family History centre. The records hold such things as admissions,
>punishment, photos etc.I believe."
The dates involved here are key, we believe. It's our understanding that
boys were sent out into the world from orphanages at age 14.
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Pexton's Almshouses, in Mariners' Court, Syke Street, were founded and endowed in 1865, by Mr. Wm. Pexton, of Cottingham, and formerly a draper at Hull. They consist of four tenements for four poor men or women, and each inmate receives 5s. a week.
Hull Seaman's and General Orphan Asylum is a handsome Elizabethan structure on the Spring Bank, covering upwards of two acres of ground, and having two extensive and open frontages. This institution was opened in 1866, since which date various additions have been made to the original buildings, a very large portion of the cost of which has been borne by Mr. Chas. H. Wilson, M.P., and his brother, Mr. Arthur Wilson, J.P. The orphanage consists of boys' and girls' wings, with separate play-grounds, day rooms, dormitories, sick wards, baths, lavatories, and officers' apartments. There is also a large school with class-rooms, dining hall, washhouse, drying-room, laundry, kitchen, store-room, disinfecting chamber, and offices. There are 210 single beds in the institution, which shelters that number of orphans, besides providing 200 others, who reside with their relatives, with education and partial clothing. The asylum is designed for orphans of seamen connected with or born within the Port of Hull and its ancient limits of Bridlington, Grimsby, Gainsborough, and Goole, or within seven miles of the Trinity House, Hull. Other orphans besides those of seamen are admitted, but the latter have precedence. The orphanage is conducted on the principles of the Church of England, but orphans of all denominations are equally eligible.
Hope this helps.
Carol
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Thanks Carol
Thoroughly enjoyed reading all about it. I've just spoken to my dad and once he saw the picture he remembered it. It was near the railway crossing at Botanic Station. I also then learnt that it was next to St Jude's Church which my mum told me her parents were married. It always surprises me how these little snippets just appear.
Anyway, Thanks again,
Ian
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Thanks Liz
Unfortunately it wasn't the Newland Home although that's where I was always told they where!! Newland was opposite Newland Avenue and next to Wheeler St Tram Shed and was still there in June.
Ian
Just a little correction ;) Newland homes where next to the Cottingham Road tram shed, Wheeler Street is off Anlaby Road in west Hull.
If memory serves, then the site of the seaman's orphanage on Spring Bank is now the Iceland frozen food shop.
Bee :)
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Bee
You are of course correct :)
I should have said Hawthorne Street, don't know where I thought of Wheeler St as, as you said, it's off Anlaby Road!
At first I thought that was where the other tram shed was, but that was , I think, next to Liverpool St. Early 40's and my mind's gone already ;D ;D
Ian
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Oh, yes forgot to say, the orphanage was almost definitely where Iceland is now. (Or in June anyway) :P
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The tramsheds were down Liverpool Street until well into the sixties...I remember them well....I played in that area as a kid...the bus terminus was at the top of Brighton Street ;D ;D
Carol
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Treetotal
My g.uncle left Newlands Orphanage in 1906 when he was 14 and joined the army. I can see why he might not have wanted to be a fisherman like his father and older brother, but I wonder why he didn't join the navy. Unfortunately, he was killed at Flanders in 1917.
I don't know Hull at all, so apart from the fact that I recognise the names of the streets from various census etc. they don't really mean much to me.
Liz
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It's a beautiful buiding standing in lovely grounds..it featured in a programme recently called "The Way We Were"...They used to hold an annual Carnival to raise funds and allowed the visitors around the the dorms...all the children were very well turned out and would help at the stalls...It would be decorated for the occasion with ballons and bunting...it was a great day out when we were kids!
It has recently been sold off..as children are fostered out or adopted more now and there isn't the need anymore.
The next time I am in the area...I will take my camera and take some pictures before the developers move in and change it beyond recogniton...will be in touch when I do!
Carol
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Thank you Carol.
I have some photos of 1901-1906 that I bought from Hull CC Archives, showing the children, mainly boys in a band and a football team. There is one showing a mixed group of children in the grounds outside The Francis Reckitt Home (Infants Home) and showing The Whitby and Hartlepool Home (partly built) 1902. That has been written underneath the photograph probably at the time it was taken as showing is spelt 'shewing' which as far as I remember is the old way of spelling it.
I've also got an aerial view of the houses and grounds, showing a couple of trams running along the roads by the home, so again quite an old photograph.
I have to say when I saw the photos, I felt much better for my g.uncle, who I didn't even know existed, never mind that he had been put into an orphanage.
Liz
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Forgot to say, as I mentioned earlier to Ian, I can't put the photos I have on here because of copyright. If I want to publish them anywhere I have to pay a fee to Hull CC. Shame really, but never mind.
When I got them they hadn't been put onto the Hull CC Archives photograph site as they had only just received them, but they may be there now.
Liz
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They used to hold an annual Carnival to raise funds and allowed the visitors around the the dorms...all the children were very well turned out and would help at the stalls...It would be decorated for the occasion with ballons and bunting...it was a great day out when we were kids!
Carol
The annual carnival was held on Whit Mondays, living very close by we went every year, a lovely day out.
Bee
:)
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Bee
You are of course correct :)
I should have said Hawthorne Street, don't know where I thought of Wheeler St as, as you said, it's off Anlaby Road!
At first I thought that was where the other tram shed was, but that was , I think, next to Liverpool St. Early 40's and my mind's gone already ;D ;D
Ian
My mind obviously has pushed off somewhere else. My mum and dad, who still live in Hull, have just pointed out the tramsheds were next to Haworth Street not Hawthorne! but I always did mix those two up.
On a brighter note, I've just received an excellent e-mail from Hull City Archives. They looked up my Grandad's records and have not only sent me details of him but of his two elder siblings' entry into the orphanage as well. :D :D
As people have already said, they are very helpful and pleasant, a big thank you to them.
Ian
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Hi I am also researching the records of the Hull Seamens and General Orphanage. My father was there from 1906 to 1912. Can you assist me in getting started, I lived in Hull until 1973 so am familar with the location on Spring Bank. Regards KiwiJane
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http://www.hullcc.gov.uk/portal/page?_pageid=221,203941&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL
This is a good place to start!
Good Luck!
Carol
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I forgot to say that I have a book entitled "Postcards Of Hull" by Kennth F. Elsom which has two postcards of "The Sailors' Orphan Homes ...I can scan them and forward to anyone who would like them if you P.M. your email address....One is of the carnival in 1923 the other is undated.. it looks to be taken around 1900-1905
There are currently two volumes for auction on ebay :D
Carol
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Hi
I read the posts on the seamans orphanages with interest as my grandfather was listed as being resident at Newlands, along with his 2 brothers, on the 1911 census.
Lizzie W - would you be able to send me copies of the photos that you have of Newlands please? I would be very grateful.
I also wonder if anyone can help me with a bit of a mystery relating to this - my great grandfather was a mariner but I can't find any record of his death but presumably he must have died before 1911. The 3 boys mother (great grandmother) was still alive in 1911 and recorded on the census as being a housekeeper in Goole (where the family had resided previously). Would the boys have been at the orpahange because she couldn't afford to care for them when her husband died?
Also, does anyone know if archives relating to Newlands are at Hull Archives, although I live quite a way from Hull it would be worth the trip if I could find out more about exactly why and when my grandfather was there.
Any help and/or advice very gratefully recieved.
Kim
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Hi kim....This site will help...P.m. me if you want the postcard copies.
Good Luck!
Carol
http://www.hullcc.gov.uk/portal/page?_pageid=221,591118&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL
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Hi Carol
Thanks very much for sending me the link, really appreciate it.
Kim
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Hi Kim
Sent you the photos. Just wanted to say that the staff at Hull Archives are very helpful.
Lizzie
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Thanks Lizzie, I have got them ;D - very much appreciated.
Kim
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I have been reading these posts with great interest because my friends', father and siblings
were in a seamans orphanage in Hull, probably between August, 1922 and July, 1926.
I get the idea from the posts that there was only one orphanage but that it's name and location changed, is that right?
Carol, I am particularly interested in the books that you mention, one of which has the list of children for each year.
Am I getting the wrong end of the stick from the web site, in thinking that the library is closed while they build a new one?
Thanks,
Elin :)
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Elin
I think there were two orphanages with different names, but someone from Hull will know for sure.
Lizzie
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Thank you, Lizzie. I would be grateful if anyone could help. Maybe I misunderstood. ::)
Elin
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here you go Elin:
The Sailors’ Families Society (DSSF)
The Port of Hull Society for the Religious Instruction of Sailors, as it was originally known, was founded in 1821. They established their first residential home on Castle Row in 1863. A new home was opened on Park Street in 1867. Eventually the Society purchased some land on Cottingham Road to create a ‘Cottage Home Colony’ known as Newland Homes which opened in 1895. The Society has undergone several name changes over the last two centuries which reflect their varied work with both children and adults who have connections to the sea. It is worth noting that children admitted to the homes came from ports all over the north east coast, not just from Hull.
The records of the Society, including entry and exit documentation relating to the many thousands of children who passed through the homes, are held at Hull City Archives (DSSF).
The Sailors’ Families’ Society (link opens in a new window) still exists. Their work is now confined to supporting families of seafarers within their own homes throughout the United Kingdom.
Seamen’s and General Orphanage (DSHO)
The Hull Seamen’s and General Orphanage opened on Spring Bank in 1866. The orphanage moved to Hesslewood Hall in 1921, on land granted by the Wilson family (of the Ellerman-Wilson Line), and finally closed in 1985. The Sailor’s Orphan Society that ran the homes was founded in 1853. Their records, including entry and exit documentation relating to the children who passed through the homes, are held at Hull City Archives (DSHO).
The Central Library in Hull will have copies of the books: DSHO
Covering dates 1853-1986
Held by Hull City Archives
Conditions of access Open
Creators Hull Seamens and General Orphanage
Contents:
Minute books 1853-1985; General reports by Master to House Committee 1876-1902; Letter books 1864-1934; Annual report, 1854-1960; Administrative papers and correspondence, 1853-1986; Financial records, 1864-1984 including annual accounts 1942-1984; Admission registers, 1866-1983; Register and list of children assisted outside the orphanage 1853-1862, 1914-1923; Election papers 1866-1922; Leavers Register 1867-1985; Papers relating to property and investment, 1885-1985; Material relating to fund raising, 1879-1984
The contents of this catalogue are the copyright of Hull City Archives
Rights in the Access to Archives database are the property of the Crown, © 2001-2009
The records described on this page are held by Hull City Archives
The City Archives are due to re-open in a new building in early September.
Hope this helps ;)
Carol
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Hi Carol,
Thank you so much for all the trouble that you have gone to, you have clarified it
wonderfully.
I really appreciate your help.
Elin :)
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Hi Elin,
My pleasure :D....I will go through my books on the history of Hull and if I find any more photos or information I will email it to you.
Good Luck!
Carol
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Hi to anyone interested,
I've only just latched on to the items on RootsChat concerning "Hull Seamen's and General Orphan Asylum and Schools". I know this was the full title of the Home in 1909, and that the Home was situated in Spring Bank; from the frontpiece of a bible in our possession presented by the Home to my father-in-law, William Percy Collins, on 11th May 1909 as he left the Home at the age of 14 to fend for himself in the world. William was resident in the Home together with his elder brother, Henry, and his younger sister Gladys Lilian from about 1904 after the deaths of both their father and their mother. [From one of the messages we note that their dates at the Home overlap with those of the father of "Penligen".]
My wife's grandfather, and the children's father Henry Collins, was a coastguard after service in the Royal Navy. Unfortunately he died at the early age of 40, as did also his wife Elizabeth. We assume that the three children were taken into care in the Hull Seamen's and General Orphan Asylum and Schools because of this coastguard/navy association.
Of interest to some might be the fact that the Patron of the Hull Seamen's and General Orphan Asylum and Schools was, as stated in this bible, "His Grace the Lord Archbishop of York".
Has anyone any comments on this?
Bernard
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Hi Bernard,
Welcome to Rootschat...thanks for sharing that with us...how lucky that the bible survived all these years...I remember the Hesslewood Orphanage....as it close to Pickering park where I spent many happy years as a child!
You might find this interesting;
http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/registeredcharities/ScannedAccounts/Ends04%5C0000529804_ac_20080331_e_c.pdf
Carol
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Hi Bernard and all interested in the Orpanages in Hull. The one on Spring bank, The Hull Seamans and General Asylum and Schools (I didnt know it was also an asylum), my dad never mentioned that... this was the orphanage he went to. He went there when his father died and his mother had to work. The date was 1912 to 1918 (sorry not 1906) that was his birth year (senior moment)!! That orphanage became Hesslewood and later moved out of the city. My dad often talked about his days there, he once wrote a letter to the Editor of the Hull mail saying that he was very well cared for considering it was war time. One of his jobs was to polish the large brass door knobs and collect litter from the grounds. His mother used to arrange to meet him and give him things thru' the fence. I have a picture of him in his sailors suit with his mother, she looks really sad. Fortunately his mother remarried in 1918 and he was able to go home.
Regarding The Newland Homes on Cottingham Road - that is another orphanage. I suppose there was different criteria for entry?? As others have written that home was in beautiful grounds, I actually went to school there for a short time (not because I was orphaned) but it took other children from the area. They had a great bonfire night and the Whit Sunday carnival was always great, my family who were toy wholesalers had a toy stall there every year for many years at the carnival and a very close family friend (now deceased) was a house mother there. I would like to research the records of the Hull Seamans and General orphange the one on Spring Bank at the time my dad was in residence and if anyone has any photos I would really appreciate a copy. Regards and thanks KiwiJane
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Hi Carol and KiwiJane,
Thanks, Carol, for giving me the website address of the Hesslewood Children's Trust with those accounts. I find it rather interesting that the name of the Hull Seamen's Orphanage, which now drops use of the word "Asylum" (asylum being really a place of safety, KiwiJane), is still retained as subtitle (or parenthisis).
I'm sorry, KiwiJane, that the dates of your father and my father-in-law at the Seamen's Home do not match. However I shall try once again soon to obtain some info. about the children in care in those years 100 years ago through Hull Archives. In the 1970's my wife, who now suffers at a severe stage of Alzheimer's Disease, tried to get information about her father but came to a "dead end" by being told that it was likely that records had been destroyed in the blitzes on Hull in WW2 - which, incidentally I remember so vividly from the bedlam-type noises we heard on most nights from the relative safety of an underground shelter in my case.
Let's keep on searching,
Kind regards to both of you,
Bernard
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Hi Bernard...so sorry to hear about your wife...it must be very difficult for you :-\
This is an interesting story about one hull boy's experience of life in the Sailors' Orphanage more commonly known as Newland Homes:
http://www.thisisull.com/fiction/frankbeill.html
Carol
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I have a newspaper article with accompanying photo of around 50 children...it tells of life at the Hesslewood Orphanage (formerly The Hull Seamens' and General Asylum) in the 1930s...I would be happy to email this to any interested parties if you care to send me a P.M..
Carol
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In the 1970's my wife, who now suffers at a severe stage of Alzheimer's Disease, tried to get information about her father but came to a "dead end" by being told that it was likely that records had been destroyed in the blitzes on Hull in WW2 - which, incidentally I remember so vividly from the bedlam-type noises we heard on most nights from the relative safety of an underground shelter in my case.
Hi everyone
I responded to a survey at Hull Archives a few weeks ago and said that I was very interested in seeing the new centre because I wanted to see if there were any records for Newlands Orphanage and got an e-mail reply saying:
"We’re really looking forward to the opening as well, and the Newland Orphanage records are certainly one of the many collections that we will be improving access to in the new place."
So hopefully they and the other orphange records are still on one piece!
Kind regards
Kim
Sorry Bernard - I don't seem to have quite got the hang of this quote thing ::)
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Hi Kim,
I don't quite understand why you made your last comment. Was it about my use of the term "dead-end"? Maybe the following will help. The facts are simply these.
My wife, while attending an extramural writing course at Hull University about 1977/8, tried to obtain information while she was in Hull about her father who had been in the Seamen's Orphans Home about 1904-1909. She was informed then that there appeared to be no records available; this was the "dead-end". It was suggested to her that personal records might have been destroyed in the air raids on Hull during WW2 (1940 -1944). Since then, and right until last week, I have never pursued our quest further in this area - but then I found these current contributions about the Hull Seamen's Orphans Home on Rootschat. This has opened up a possible new avenue for us to find out something about William Percy Collins, her father.
William Percy Collins, died in 1961 (unfortunately my wife was even unable to go to Hull to attend her father's funeral because she giving birth to our first child in Edinburgh at exactly the same time). I knew him well after 1954. Surprisingly, or possibly not surprisingly, we can never now know about his life , and also that of his brother and sister, at the Home. Although I learned a great deal about my father-in-law between 1954 and his death in 1961 he said NOTHING at all about his early life in those years between 1904 and 1909. Moreover neither of his daughters knew anything except that he was an orphan in that home when he was a boy. His son (the eldest of his three children) died in 1974 (Parkinson's disease); he might have known more than his two sisters!
Regards,
Bernard
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Hi Bernard
I'm so sorry for confusing you ( sometimes I manage to confuse myself ;D)
I was referring to the fact that I had quoted your post but whereas other posts have qoutes in blue boxes - mine didn't and I wanted to apologise for that! All things technical are not my strong point!
It really would be great if the archives relating to the orphanages did survive so that you can find out something about your father-in-laws early years. My G Grandfather , along with his two brothers were listed as being there on the 1911 census BUT their mother was still alive and listed herself as married not widowed on the 1911. Also I have never been able to find a death record for my gg grandfather (although from his mothers entry on the 1911 she states that she had 9 children - 4 still alive which would point to him being deceased) so I would love to know how the boys came to be in the orphanage.
Fingers crossed that when the new centre at Hull opens later in the year we will be able to solve a few mysteries.
Sorry again for any confusion.
Kind regards
Kim
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Hi Bernard and Kim...
If you read my two earlier posts...one has the link for the archives.... you will see that according to Hull City Archives the records do still exist and will be available to the public on the opening of the Hull History Centre in Mason Street in September.
Bernard..maybe the records weren't available in the seventies due to the 100 years rule.
I will watch for the opening date and will post on here when a date is set.
Carol
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Hi Carol,
Many thanks for your messages - the story and the website for the archives. Regarding the 100-year rule we are exactly 100 years and 1 month on as far as Lydia's father is concerned.
Earlier today I emailed the archives office asking for info. about re-opening times at the Hull History centre. I've just read your posting which s suggests September.
Much now will depend on when I can get a day across in Hull; my time being so limited these days.. I ought really to spend quite a lot of time at the Hull records offices just searching for info. from certificates, etc. Neither of us now has any relatives in Hull. My one remaining 97-year old aunt died in Hull in April severring the last remaining link both Lydia and I have with Hull; all our grandparents families moved into Hull between 1870 and 1905.
There are other exciting things however in my Family Tree work; which has become my area of reseach since Lydia began to suffer with her rotten disease for which I have to be around much of the time. E.g., I've manged to trace one line back to 1559 at Fewston in the Washburn Valley; lucky because it's close to where we now live and I'm now sittting with the Fewston Parish records on hard disc which I have recently transcribed (1555-1812) together with a friend in Otley.
Best regards to you,
Bernard
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Hi again Carol,
As I sent the last post I noted that you have a Perry in your listing of names. Perry in your tree is not by any chance associated with the Brain family in the Bristol/Bath area is it? If it is we are probably distantly linked somehow. One of the Brain branches went to the Cheshire/Liverpool area. My mother went to one of their funerals there in the 1920's; her uncle's.
All the best,
Bernard
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Hi everyone interested in the Hull orphanages/childrens homes. Thought I'd add some more about my Dad's life in the orphanage. He was Reginald William Penligen born Hull 1906 (spent 6 yrs in the orphanage 1912-1918) he never said a lot either about his time there, except snippets and the fact that it was strict , he was taught the three R's and got three meals a day. I often wonder (however sad) if it had been the best place for him during war time in the circumstances that unfolded. He got polio when just a few weeks old, he was left lame and was never a robust person, slightly built and thin but he had a great brain and did quite well in business in hull and lived till 80. His father/mother were Cecil Avant Penligen and Ada Verney, Ada (as far as we know) was the housemaid for the Penligens. They were well off and had other staff. Ggrandad had been a sea captain born DArtmouth 1849 and came to Hull as he sailed for the Wilson Line from about 1865 to 1901 (the year of his death, he was only 52). I have the names of several of the ships he was captain, there is an oil painting of one, the SS China, in the Hull Town Docks Museum. So dad never knew his grandad. When his dad (Cecil) married Ada (the skivvy) it did not go down well with my ggrandmother. Sadly Cecil died very young at 28 of TB (Dad was 6). Ggrandma never took my dad and Ada in, in fact she saw my dad go into the orphanage. I often wonder if she arranged it ( it appears she was very mean) and because of the sailing history he was able to get a place. So dad spent 6 yrs there (his mother had to go back into service), but in 1918 his mother re married and he came home. He knew little about the Penligen side and its only since he's died that I have found out so much, he would have liked to have known some of his history as despite the story he was never bitter. Early in the 1970's I worked for Sunblest Bakery on National Ave and a lady who worked there had been in the home too and remembered by Dad, and she remembered especially well (with envy) the day he was allowed to go home. Unfortunately I cant remember her name but she lived near National Ave. So just a bit about dads time there - seems the children were well clothed/fed and taught the three R's, just hope they were also treated lovingly but I have no reason to believe they were badly treated. Best wishes and regards KiwiJane
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I have just found my great aunt and uncle on the 1911 Census. Both were residents of the Seamen's and General Orphans Asylum. According to the 1911 Census, their mother was a widow and living in a four room house on Crowle Street. The children also had several siblings who were married and living in Hull.
I have several questions:
1. Why would these children be in the orphanage? Could they have been removed from their mother?
2. What were the conditions in the orphanage at this time.
3. Have any members of the forum accessed the records of the Orphanage at the Hull Archives? What information did you find?
4. As I live in Canada what is the best way for me to obtain the records of these children?
Thanks
Wendy
Thanks
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Hi Wendy I have similar questions especially 2,3 and 4. If their mother was widowed thats the probably the reason - just like my father's situation, his mother was left and had no option but to go back into service which I guess provided her with a home. As fathers grandfather had been connected with the sea i presume that was the reason he was eligible for the sailers home, so like you I am looking forward to the new History centre opening so that we can get to work. How did you search the 1911 census it is on line somewhere? Hey, sounds like your rellies were there at the same time as my father. regards KiwiJane
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Hi KiwiJane
The 1911 Census can be accessed at http://www.1911census.co.uk/
I think the information for the Orphanage has been added recently as I did not find these two children when I first searched the census.
By searching online I have found general information about the orphanage. Seems many boys entered the R.N. after they left. My great uncle entered the R.N. at the age of 16 and was killed in the First World War.
Wendy
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Hi,
I think you are correct Wendy that the records have only just been put on the 1911 census, as I couldn't find 3 children originally; the other 4 were living with their mother in Hull, their father sadly died in 1908.
I have now found the other 3 children, one is definitely in the Orphanage and the other 2 are listed in an institution, which I presume will be the same Orphanage - have run out of credits at the moment to be sure!
Cannot wait for Hull Archives to reopen in September!
Kath
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This is an interesting story about one hull boy's experience of life in the Sailors' Orphanage more commonly known as Newland Homes:
http://www.thisisull.com/fiction/frankbeill.html
Thanks for this link Carol, the story is fascinating, I've saved it to my favourites to read properly when I have more time. It helped me imagine the life my g.uncle must have led there, before he too left at 14.
Lizzie
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Hi Lizzie...You're welcome....make sure you haven't got anything pressing to do when you start to read it :D :D
Carol
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make sure you haven't got anything pressing to do when you start to read it
That's why I've saved it, I just kept reading ::)
Lizzie
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I am also researching the Hull Seaman's and General Orphan Asylum on Spring Bank, Kingston upon Hull. I have two 'ancients' who are listed in the 1891 census and who were sent there after their father died in 1890. He was a First Officer on the SS Sea Horse.
I am looking for photo's of either the orphanage or the SS Sea Horse.
Could anyone advise me how to find records from the Orphanage?
Thank you
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Hi JMC
I got the information about my g.uncle who was in Newlands Orphanage, from the Hull Archives. The staff there were very helpful and I contacted them by e-mail. However, as Kim said in her posting on 24 June 2009:
I responded to a survey at Hull Archives a few weeks ago and said that I was very interested in seeing the new centre because I wanted to see if there were any records for Newlands Orphanage and got an e-mail reply saying:
"We’re really looking forward to the opening as well, and the Newland Orphanage records are certainly one of the many collections that we will be improving access to in the new place."
it looks as though you will have to wait until the archives re-opens, which is supposed to be Autumn 2009.
Lizzie
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it looks as though you will have to wait until the archives re-opens, which is supposed to be Autumn 2009.
Heard yesterday from a usually reliable source that the opening has been delayed, so we might have to twiddle our thumbs for a bit longer. :(
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Heard yesterday from a usually reliable source that the opening has been delayed, so we might have to twiddle our thumbs for a bit longer
Well there's a surprise ::) ::)
Lizzie
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Hi JMC and all with interests in the Hull orphanage/s.
JMC I found the SS Sea Horse, she's included in a book "A ships in Focus Fleet History' compiled by Arthur Credland (Curator of Hull Town Docks Museum) and Richard Greenwood. No photo unfortunately, but I copied the details for you:
Iron schooner-rigged steamer. O.N. 56135 Launched 1867 by Tod & McGregor, Glasgow, 60HP. 1868 Registered in the ownership of the Countess of Cardigan, Deane Park, Northamptonshire as SEA HORSE. 1873 sold to Sir Henry Edwards, Ashbourne, Derbyshire. 28/3/1881 Registered in the ownership of Walter S Bailey, Hull. 1883 sold to Prince di Sirignano, Parigi, Italy and renamed RONDINE. 1892 Omitted from Lloyds Register of yachts.
Like everyone hoping to get more info on the orphanage/s when the archives are opened. Regards KiwiJane
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For all those interested in the Hull Seamens' General Orphanage..here is a little more information...It's seems there is a book: Our Orphans - The Story of The Hull Seamen's General Orphanage by J.D. Hicks...1853 -1979
http://www.hullcc.gov.uk/museumcollections/collections/subtheme.php?irn=202
Carol
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Further to what has been said above regarding the opening of the new site.
I drove by the site near what I remember as Charlotte Street Mews (I don't get up there often) and it looks as though the building is still a long way from completion. Then the internal fitting out will have to be done not to mention the records being moved.
I know these things come together very quickly but I can't see it being in the near future.
cheers
Ian
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I have just found a copy of a postcard that I have of the General Orphanage and Asylum...I had forgotten about it and came across tonight......it is subject to copyright so I can't post it here but if anyone would like to send me a P.M. I will happily email it to them...It does have a faint watermark but it doesn't detract from the postcard.
Carol
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Thank you Carol I would like a copy of the postcard. Do I post my email address here? Regards KiwiJane :
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Hi Kiwijane....If you P.M. me your email address I will be happy to send you a copy...It will be later today as I am at work.
Carol
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Hi Carol, PM you? Not sure how you mean me to communicate? KJ
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Hi KiwiJane....If go onto my personal profile by clicking onto the face icon just below my Avavtar...you can send me a personal message that cannot read by anyone else.. :D
Carol
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KJ
Alternatively, click on the green scroll under Treetotal's avatar.
Lizzie
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Well now Lizzie..I have learnt something too ;D....I never knew that...Ooo...they give monkies harder tricks ::)
Thanks.
Carol
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Happy to be of service Carol. ;D
Lizzie
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Just an update on the Hull History Centre. The website says there will be a 6 days a week LIMITED opening service from Autumn 2009 but doesn't say when in Autumn 1009. It will be fully open in early 2010.
http://www.hullhistorycentre.org.uk/ - this will give you the proposed opening hours in 2010 and will presumably give the opening date.
Kim
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The website looks good and easy to navigate, although I've already spotted a spelling mistake - seperately instead of separately. ::) I couldn't do a search though, I get the following message:
Failed to connect to DScribe server 'localhost'. Client cannot open connection to server
I assume the search engines are not up and running yet.
Lizzie
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A senior Hull City Archivist has released information about the archival material related to the Hull Seamen's and General Orphanage dated 1866 -1985 outlining what will be available and conditions of disclosure. She gives a detailed account of the information available about the institution.
If anyone would like a copy of the article I will be happy to email them...I have already sent it to those who have already supplied their email address.
Carol
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Hi
If you go down springbank you will see a public house called the polar bear.That is were the orphanage was and all that is left is one large stone at the entragne
regards
Simon Holborn
resident in Hesslewood 1960 to 1972
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Thanks Simon, once the Archives are opening I will be visiting. It will be good to know exactly
where Springbank Orphanage was. :)
Elin
P.S. Welcome to RootsChat
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I'm not so sure Simon...I think it was near where the old church is opposite where Iceland Frozen Foods now stands.
Have a look at this:
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.polarbearhull.co.uk/pix/exterior.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.polarbearhull.co.uk/thepub.html&usg=__wDIXXC5Dkmaa829LxTPr979_OO0=&h=614&w=819&sz=389&hl=en&start=7&tbnid=u-pm_NRd0NTYnM:&tbnh=108&tbnw=144&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpolar%2Bbear%2Bpublic%2Bhouse%2Bspring%2Bbank%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG
Carol ::)
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Gosh thanks for the prompt reply.I am still living in the area and remember the building before it was knocked down. I will try and get a picture but local information was the building which was demolished some time ago and became a government building was the site of the orphanage origionally.
If you have further info I will look into it.
Also there are records held by Hull City Council archives, which I have seen once and could look at again
Regards
Simon
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I think that if you look at the picture of the polar bear which I use to this day the orphanage was to the next building to the left?
Regards
Simon
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Simon I have an old postcard of the Orphanage on Spring Bank if you would like a copy..send me a P.M and your email address and I will send you a copy...have you read the whole thread here?
Carol
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Hi
I would be very interested to look at the postcard.
I am visiting the orphanage again for the first time in the next few weeks (since 1972) and am looking forward to it very much.
you can contact me at (*)
Regards
Simon
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Hi
I would be very interested to look at the postcard.
I am visiting the orphanage again for the first time in the next few weeks (since 1972) and am looking forward to it very much.
you can contact me at
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Simon
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Simon..I suggest you remove your email address by clicking the modify button to the right of the page on your message ...it's not allowed on here...I have it now and will send the postcard.
Carol
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Does anyone know if there used to be a childrens home on Holderness Road in Hull? - we have recently bought a house there and in with the details of land registry bits, we received some former planning applications which included details to extend to accomodate 30 children plus staff! (1970s)
Will try and check when the new history centre opens next year but thought it was worth a post
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in the early 1900's there was a childrens home on Holderness Rd, I dont have many details about it, just stumbled across it by accident when looking for a possible place my gt aunt my have been sent to before the institution in Leeds.
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I remember you from Hesslewood. You were there with your brother. My name was Gail Horton.
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Hi
I'm after information on the seaman's orphanage & asylum on Springbank. Pictures etc. I notice TeeTotal has pictures but I don't know how to contact people on here. Please help ???
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Hello I am new to this too but try this - Carol gave me this instruction.
go onto the personal profile by clicking onto the face icon just below the Avavtar...you can send a personal message that cannot be read by anyone else. What years are you interested in? Jane
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Hi
thanks for that, I managed to sort it out, I had to put 3 posts before I could contact someone. The family I am interested in, the Timmons, would of gone into the orphanage around 1905 after their parent's death. I reckon the next ten years to follow too.
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I'll be coming back into the discussion soon - after fairly serious difficulties I've had over the past 2 months. My wife Lydia has finally had to move permanently into Nursing Home Care in Ilkley about a month ago. Her father, William Percy Collins, was in the Seaman's Orphanage , with his siblings Harold and Gladys, from 1904/5 to 1909. When the Hull History centre is eventually fully open to all of us, so that we can have access to all records , I will be coming over to Hull for a day to look up details.
The Collins children's date appears to coincide with Vixie's relative's dates. So some common interest here
Regards to all of you with whom I was corresponding about 2 months ago.
Bernard
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Hi Bernard....So sorry to hear about Lydia :-\....you've certainly done your duty by her...It must be a relief for you but sad too...but at least she now has the constant medical care she needs...I wish you both well....Do find the time to go to the Sutton Family Research Centre when you come to Hull.
Kind Regards ~ Carol
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Thank you so much for your v. kind thoughts, Carol. I do appreciate them.
Lydia having to go into N.H. so suddenly has been quite a psychological shock to me, I have to admit - more than ever I had expected. It wasn't as though this was unexpected but I had hoped it would be into 2010 before she had to go.
I now have nothing left to come to Hull for except to look up things, my aged aunt (97) having died earlier in April. However I can have look up all the family graves at St James' Sutton as well when I come through to see the Sutton Family Research Centre. I wonder whether they would like a copy of my grandfather's school report from Sutton School about 1891. Maybe they will say it was too bad a report - I certainly would not have like to have had it to my name!! However he excelled himself as a sprinter - North of England Sprint Champion i the 1890's - so he did have ability - physically!
My best wishes and thanks,
Bernard
Incidentally you'll find us in the Sutton, St James' registers, married on 31/08/1957.
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Hi Vixie...Further to your P.M. to me......I sent you a copy of the postcard of the Spring Bank Orphanage but you haven't responded...I just wondered if you have received it ???
Carol
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I'm searching for information on Ethel M Smith, who was in the orphanage in 1911. She was born in 1898. Does anyone have any information on her at all, please? I know I could go to Hull to find out for myself but it's a long way away for me and I simply don't have the time to get there. I'd be very appreciative of any information. Thank you.
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Hi Jaqy and welcome to RootsChat!
Nothing to do with this topic, but where are your Cavills from? Mine were from East Yorks and possibly Lincolnshire
Diana
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Hi Diana
My Cavill's are from Sheffield, South Yorkshire and Norton Lees, Derbyshire. Is this any good to you?
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Thanks Jaqy, but there doesn't seem to be a connection.
Thanks for your quick reply!
Diana
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Greetings. I'm very new to this, and have read with much interest the many postings on this site as I have a particular interest in the Orphanage. I have quite a lot of information on and many photos of Hesslewood Orphanage, (previously Hull Seamen's and General Orphanage) in the period 1950 to its closing in 1985, and a substantial amount of "folklore" and some history relative to the period prior to that. I may be able to clarify some of the discussion points on this website.
I wonder what the best way of using this is. Rather than posting a mass of information that may or may not be relevant or appropriate I would prefer to discuss with someone knowledgeable how best to share this. Perhaps this period is too recent for this group.
As a new member apparently I cannot PM other contributors to this group, so I am not sure how best to proceed. Perhaps someone can advise me.
KiloAlpha
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Hi KiloAlpha...welcome to Rootschat....How good of you to offer to share what you have....I suggest that you ask for people send a P.M. to you with their email address....you should get a very good response as it is a subject close the the hearts of many who have contributed to this thread...you only need to have three posts in order to P.M. someone....I only live a short drive from Hessle and was married at St. Nicholas Church 8)
Carol
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Carol,
Many thanks for the kind words and advice (and my apologies for the unexpectedly large size of the picture). I will await a few days to see if there are any comments/requests.
K
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Hi
I am new to this!
Trying to find any info on Hesslewood Orphange around 1944.
My mother was in the orphanage at this time and we are trying to find out as much as we can, but are at a loss as where to go and what to do, any help woulr be greatly appreciated.
Regards :P
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Hi Scissors,
Welcome to the "club". Like you I wish to get info. re children in the Orphanage, but when it was the Hull Seamen's Orphanage and Schools - between 1900 and 1910 in my case. I await the opening of the new Hull History Centre. This was scheduled for 25th January 2010. I hope that it does get going on time.
Look over my earlier posts (from JoBerG) and those of "Treetotal"
Best regards,
Bernard
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Hi I am interested in discussing the information that you have on Hesslewood,i was at the home between 1960 and 1973, my name is Donald Birkett.
yours
Don Rirkett
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New to site. I remember Donald Birkett. I was there from 1959 - 1975, Gail Horton. I have just started a group on Facebook for Hesslewood Orphanage just to see who joins it.
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Hi Gps...Welcome to Rootschat.....if you post once more you will be able to send a P.M. ( personal message)e to KiloAlpha...you need three posts to send a P.M. he will be able to assist in the time frame you are looking at...for privacy reason...you musn't post names of people who are still living...it is against the rules on here.
Good luck in your search!
Carol
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Hi everyone, only just found your info on the hesslewood orphanage.
My dad, John Bernard Lawson and his older brother, George Herbert Eric were there from 1921/2 until 1928. Their younger sister was also in a home but not sure which one. I have one photo of a large group of the boys which includes my dad and his brother also fragments of a photo of the orphanage band.
Both dad and his brother played in the band and continued playing in their works band years later.
I have ordered from our local library (I live down in Kent) the book, Postcards of Hull, could be interesting.
Iam thinking of a trip up to see what the Hull History Centre can turn up.
Banjoles
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Hi Banjoles and Welcome to Rootschat....We have a Photo Resoration board here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,298.0.html
If you can scan your photo in colour mode at a resolution of 300dpi the volunteer restorers with see if they can fix it for you.
Carol
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Hi Carol
The photo was a panoramic view of the band about a foot wide, it was always kept rolled up, it eventually broke into pieces. I have put it back together but about two thirds of it got lost over the years.
My dad always spoke of his time at the orphanage as one long round of fights, nothing but trouble. Dad told my sister years ago that when his dad died it was like going fron riches to rags overnight. A very unhappy time. He was only seven when he went in.
Thanks for prompt reply
Banjoles
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Hi Carol, I have just finished reading through all seven pages of info. I see that you have a newspaper article from the 1930's, my dads sister was in the orphanage about 1930/33. Also you mention photos from the 1920's both my dad and his brother were there at that time. Any chance you could e-mail them to me please.
Regards
Banjoles
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Hi Banjoles...If you P.M. me your email address I will send the press cutting and group photo of Hesslewood.
Carol
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Hi Carol, how exactly do I send a PM.
Banjoles
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Hi Banjoles
Two ways of sending a PM. Easiest is to click on the green scroll under Carol (Treetops) avatar and that will take you to a page where you can send a message.
Other way is to click on the name Treetops, which will take you to Carol's profile. At the bottom of the page you can click on "Send this Rootschatter a personal message"
Lizzie
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Hi Banjoles...just click the scroll under my Avatar and the message box will a appear.
Carol
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Oops!....Sorry lizzie...I replied from my email notification and didn't see your post until I had sent mine.
Carol aka Treetotal ;D ;D ;D
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Carol - Better two replies than none. ;D
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Hi Carol
Thanks for the picture and news article.
As I mentioned before I have some photographs thet may be of interest.
One is of all the boys 1921/22 to 1926 with my dad and his brother
Another is of the band (damaged) the same period
The third is five members os staff only one names
I also have a few photos of my Aunt she was there for about ten years, I think
Thanks again
Banjoles
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Hi Banjoles....You're welcome...How lucky you are to have them...people on here with relatives in the Hesslewood Orphanage may be interested to see them...perhaps you could post them here for interested parties to see.
Carol
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Hi Carol,
The photo I have of the office staff at S.O.H. is of five ladies, I also have a newspaper cutting of one of these ladies on her wedding day. The husband appears in the picture you sent me today. He is at the top of the picture on the left. I have his name but not sure if I can post it here.
Please let me know
Interesting times!
Banjoles
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Hi Banjoles...I think the rules are that photos of living people should not be posted without their consent...or images that are subject to copywrite which would apply to the newspaper photo...If anyone on here wants to see them though I think they would send you a P.M.
You would be okay posting on the photo restoration board for repairs and/or colour.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong ;D
Carol
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Interesting to see items about the Newland Homes. I used to visit Buckston Brown in 1962 Uncle George and Aunty Rene Silabon were house parents Anyone remember them? Yes, the Carnival was each Whit Monday and always sunny, I recall. My own mother and her siblings were in the Hessle Homes circa 1935 and they hated the place.
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My dad lived in Buckston Brown from about 1931 to the early 1940s. He was in the band - I'd love to find a photo from that era, as we have no photos of Dad from the age of 3 to 18.
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Hello Mrs Peel,
Unfortunately, your Dad's time was a bit before mine. I don't have any photo's. The Queen came to Hull around 1961/2 and a little Pirate held up her car in the grounds of the homes. That was in the Hull Daily mail at the time. The archbishop of Canterbury came to visit too about the same time and I remember we lined up and had to kiss his big ring on his finger. I recall his big belly was huge and the ring enormous. Strange what you remember when a child. I am sure that there is archive material in Hull. If you are near there sometime them make some enquiries at the library. They also have a new resource centre which opened very recently. Try looking ta the Hull website. Incidentally they are preserving the front row of houses including Buckston Brown while I think that the rear will be demolished for new housing. The houses will be remodelled to rent to University students. A few of the boys attended the Nautical School on the Boulevard. I suppose because their father's had been seamen. My mother was in the Hessle homes which I believe was the seaman's children's home prior to being moved to the Newland Homes. There was also a series of articles int he Hull Daily Mail newspaper a few years ago about the Hessle Homes. I am not an expert on these things though.
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Hi Mrspeel and Snowshoe...if you take the time to read through the thread you will get a detailed knowledge on both Orphanages which where two seprarate institutions...I have photos of the Newland Homes but they are of the early 1900s.
Hull City Council had a number of photographs but they are now held at the Hull History Centre.
http://www.hullhistorycentre.org.uk/
Carol
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Thanks Snowshoe and Treetotal -
I've found this thread really interesting. My parents emigrated to Canada in the late 50s, but we all went back for a visit in 1976 when I was a kid, and I've visited Newland once since. I was lucky enough to get my dad's Newland Records on that trip when they were still stored at the Newland Homes office. Buckston Brown house was still a residence at that time so I wasn't able to go inside, but we were able to tour the grounds. It was very odd to be there, as my father spent his entire childhood there, and it made his stories come to life. He didn't have a great life there, but did get a good education, and loved being in the band. I'm just hoping that somewhere out there, someone has a picture of the band from those years, so I can see my dad as a kid. I'll have to try the Hull History Centre if I am ever back there, or email them to see if there's anything there.
I'm also glad to hear that Dad's childhood home is being preserved!
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Hello Mrspeel
As Carol (Treetops) says Hull Archives has lots of photos of Newlands, including one of the band, although before your father's time there. It was taken around 1900/1910. I have a copy, but I think because of copyright I'm not supposed to put it up on here.
Lizzie
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Hi Lizzie -
I think I'll have to start saving for a trip to England! I'll have a look at the Hull Archives site to see if I can get anything sent to me.
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I have just found this website which will be of interest to whose who had rellies at the Newland Homes:
http://www.sailors-families.org.uk/history/details.asp
Carol
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Seems to be some confusion over names and locations of Orphanages. Is this thread covering all of them ?
The following is taken from Hull City Corporation web site.
The Sailors’ Families Society (DSSF)
The Port of Hull Society for the Religious Instruction of Sailors, as it was originally known, was founded in 1821. They established their first residential home on Castle Row in 1863. A new home was opened on Park Street in 1867. Eventually the Society purchased some land on Cottingham Road to create a ‘Cottage Home Colony’ known as Newland Homes which opened in 1895. The Society has undergone several name changes over the last two centuries which reflect their varied work with both children and adults who have connections to the sea. It is worth noting that children admitted to the homes came from ports all over the north east coast, not just from Hull.
The records of the Society, including entry and exit documentation relating to the many thousands of children who passed through the homes, are held at Hull City Archives (DSSF).
The Sailors’ Families’ Society (link opens in a new window) still exists. Their work is now confined to supporting families of seafarers within their own homes throughout the United Kingdom.
Hull Seamen’s and General Orphanage (DSHO)
The Hull Seamen’s and General Orphanage opened on Spring Bank in 1866. The orphanage moved to Hesslewood Hall in 1921, on land granted by the Wilson family (of the Ellerman-Wilson Line), and finally closed in 1985. The Sailor’s Orphan Society that ran the homes (HSGO and Hesslewood) was founded in 1853. Their records, including entry and exit documentation relating to the children who passed through the homes, are held at Hull City Archives (DSHO).
There was also The Cottage Homes located on Hessle road, and run by the corporation.
Hesslewood (and I believe Newlands) was always financed entirely from voluntary contibutions, donations and legacies.
Feel free to correct or comment on the above.
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Thank you Carol. Unfortunately, my g.uncle left Newlands in 1906, joined the army and died in WWI. I found out about him too late for anyone left alive to have known him. :(
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I have been to The Carnegie Heritage Centre today to see what information I can get on the various Orphanages in Hull
I have been able to buy some photocopied extracts from the book "Our Orphans" by John Hicks which relate to The Hesslewood Orphanage and it's former premises The Seamen's and General Orphan Asylum situated on Spring Bank.
If anyone would like a copy of this useful information I will happily forward to anyone who would care to send me their email address by P.M.
Carol
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Hi Lizzie,
The next time I go there I will look at the Newlands file and let you know what info there is.
Carol
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to Treetops
I would like a copy of the photocopies from the book ;D you mention about the Hessle homes if possible. Snowshoe
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Hi Snowshoe...If you could send me your email address by P.M. then I will be happy to send you the extracts.
Carol
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For all those who had relatives in Newland Homes...you may be interested to know that there will be a talk on the Orphanage by Alan Richards on June 5th 1.30pm - 3.30pm here:
http://www.carnegiehull.co.uk/
Admission is free....Tea, Coffee & Biscuits available for a £1.00 donation.
Carol
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Hi Lizzie,
The next time I go there I will look at the Newlands file and let you know what info there is.
Carol
Hi Carol
Only just seen this. I already have the info from my g.uncle's Newlands file, Hull Archives kindly sent it to me a couple or so years ago, so there is no need for you to look it up.
Thank you for your offer.
Lizzie
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A Diary date for those interested in Newland Homes:
Carnegie Heritage Centre..Anlaby Road..Hull
Newland Homes presentation by Alan Richards
Sunday 5th June 1.30 -3.30
Admission £1.00 to include refreshments.
http://www.carnegiehull.co.uk/news.php
Carol
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I couldn't get there even if I wasn't on holiday in France at the time ::)
I'm a member of EYFHS, so hopefully I'll be able to get a transcript, or precis of the talk from Alan Richards.
Lizzie
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hi
I am a little confused about all of this i need some one to help me.
I would like to know were about is new lands orphanage I mean is it in Scotland or not i am really confused please get back to me on that thanks
send me a pm to my email adress ................thanks ;D
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Hi Nikola...Welcome to Rootschat.....Newland Homes is in Hull in East Yorkshire.
Carol
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Hi, i am very interested in any information anyone may have on Hesslewood orphanage, i believe my mother & her brother's & sisters attended there around 1964 to around the 1980's. Her name was Joanne Hodgson, sadly she died in 1995. I am just trying to find out what life must of been like for her there.
Thanks, Danielle x
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Hi Carol.
I have read your postings with great interest. My Father & Aunt were at the Newlands Homes during 1924-1932.
My father was Sidney Meadows & his sister Rosa Meadows. My father sadly died in 1950 age 35 I was a small child so was unable to get any info from him. My Aunt had happy memories of her time there.
My Father went into the navy I have the Bible he was given on leaving Newlands.
Any help you can give me or photos I would be very grateful.
Heather
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Hi Heather and welcome to Rootschat...If you would like a copy of what I have I will need an email address but to avoid spamming... this can only be sent in a P.M. ( Personal Message)...you will need to have 3 posts before you can send a P.M.
Carol
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I forgot to say...LizzieW also has a photo of the Newland Homes too...you might like to send her a P.M. too when you have reached 3 posts.
Carol
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Hi Carol.
Thanks for your reply. It will be great to see what information you have.
I will post some more messages.
Heather
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It's photos that I have....This might be of interest to you:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=22146540771
Carol
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Hi Carol.
Thankyou yes I have seen this site. I would love to see any photos you may have.
Did you have any family members in Newlands?
Heather.
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Hi Carol.
Thankyou so much the photos are great.
Heather
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Hi Heather..No I don't have any relatives who lived there...do you live locally as there is a book called "Our Orphans" and a box file of information about Newland Homes here:
http://www.carnegiehull.co.uk/
Carol
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Hi Carol.
No I live in Dorset. My dad and Aunt came from Grimsby.
Heather
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Hi Heather...I will see what I can find out for you when I go on Tuesday.
Carol
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Hi Carol.
Thankyou I would appreciate that.
Heather
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Hi Heather, my Aunt was at the Newlands Home from 1926 to 1932, I sent some photographs of her with a group of other girls to the Hull History Centre last year. Her name was Kate Elsie Lawson. If you are not able to get to Hull I would be happy to send copies. There are also photographs of some of the I assume teachers one of whom was a Mrs Ashby. I ordered from the History Centre copies of the original application form for my Aunt which I had to pay for. My Dad and his brother were in the Seaman's Orphanage
Les
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I'm looking for a particular person.. In the 1901 census this female was 13 and was in the Seaman's and
General Orphan Asylum but in the 1891 census, I cannot find the person named... Will all the
documentation be found in the books mentioned above?
Thank You
:)
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Hi Smudge and welcome to Rootschat...It's unlikely that she will be mentioned in the books but the records are kept here:
http://www.hullhistorycentre.org.uk/
Carol
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Hi, Thank you for the link :)
Her name was Susannah Elizabeth Warvill and I can only find her in the 1901 census.. Her birth index
does not show her mother or fathers recorded surname so I'm trying to find out as much as I can about
this place :)
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Hi Smudge...Could this be her marriage:
Marriage 1910
WARVILL Susannah E SLANEY John S St Silas Hull WS/2/265
Found here:
http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/
Carol
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Okay Smudge....after much searching I think I may have found her in 1891 census:
In Sutton with Stoneferry:
Address:
Sutton Bank
Worrill Albert J.age 46 Ink Colour Maker
Harriett A. Wife age 40
John R. Son age 19 Fireman ( Land) ?
James A. Son age 15 Sawyers Labourer
William son age 11 scholar
Harry Son age 9 scholar
George son age 6 scholar
Susannah E. Daughter age 3
All born in Hull with the exception of Harriet who was born in Arundel.
All of her siblings would have been old enough by 1901 to look after themselves except Susannah!
Although this has been mistranscribed as Worrill...the entry does look like it says "Warvill"
Carol
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Possible Deaths for Susannah's Parents:
1894
WARVILL James A 49 Sutton Hull SUT/25/332
The only death I could find for Harriet A. Warvill:
1924
WARVILL Harriet A 71 East Sculcoates Hull EAS/64/329
Susannah's Brother.. Samuel Almer Warvill b. 1892 is with her too in the Orphanage in 1901 age 9
In 1911 Samuel is living in Hull with his widowed Mother Harriet!
The only match I can find for Harriet in 1901 is in Chipping Norton with her Brother John William Warvill where she says she is single..age 50 and is a G/Grocer...but...it may not be her!!
Carol
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What do you think then Smudge ???
Carol
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Wow, Hi Carol, Sorry for not replying sooner, my emails did not notify me that you had posted anything. This is wonderful news to hear about!! Especially as it has taken me absolutely ages to find anything about Susannah before the ages of 13!
There is something though which I don't understand. I found Samuel in the same Orphanage as Susannah but if their mother were alive in 1911, how come Susannah is registered in 1901 as an Orphan :S Or have I read all this wrong! :))
I am so very grateful for the help and the information you have given me and I wonder where you found this information? Was it on the Ancestry website? :)
:)
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Hi Smudge...not to worry...it's a common problem...that's why I sent another response...yes it was on Ancestry...Susannah was probably left with 3 young children to raise alone and this was probably the only way to keep them out of the workhouse...children were put in orphanages when a lone parent couldn't support them on their own without any means of support.
Very sad :-\
Carol
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Ohh! I had wondered that because the common belief is that when a child is an orphan, they are, usually because both parents have died... This is very interesting! And also because of the fact that my family at one time (I too) have lived very close to Sutton :)
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Hi Smudge, my dad was in the orphanage from 1912 went in as a 6 yr old and left at 12 when his mother remarried. . Did you still have relativesthere in 1912?? Like you my Dad wasnt totally orphaned, his mother was still alive but she could not afford to look after him without working. Dad's paternal grandmother was a wealthy woman, living in Hull, but did not help or take dad and his mother in when the father (her son died at 28) hard to believe ay!!! KiwiJane (ps Carol has also been very helpful to me)
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I'm not sure when she went into the orphanage, I only found out she were there from the 1901 census which listed her as an orphan. I have tried looking for her in the admission book but only so many pages are available. I couldn't find her name in there which is obviously frustrating but I intend on looking for the leaving book to see if she is in there instead. Surely if the census lists her as being in the orphanage, she will be in their documents... :S
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Hi, i posted on here before about hesslewood orphanage & had a reply from somebody named kilo alpha , but i am unable tto pm back, so i would just like to say i would love to see the photos!! Thanks Daniielle X :)
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Hi i would also like to say for those of you interested in Newland homes & Hesslewood orphange have a quick look at the facebook groups for them, they have some fab photos up ! :)
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Hi Daniielle...Now you have 3 posts on Rootschat you should be able to send a P.M.
Carol
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Hi
I was at Hull Seaman's and General Orphanage between 1963 and 1971. I remember Simon and his brother Sean and also the Birkitts and many others. I played in the Orphanage football team and possess a DVD of a football match against Doncaster scouts and a sports day. I obtained the film off Billy Braeme many years ago.
Indeed, the orphanage did originate at Spring Bank where the Iceland shop is today. The kids marched to their new home at Hesslewood after it was bequeathed by the Pease family who where merchant traders in hull.
I have come across 3 photo's on the net when Mr Pastry visited in 1966 when I was 10. Mr pastry happens to have his hand on my shoulder. I have not seen this picture before this week. To view type in the search for Mr Pastry at Hesslewood.
Terry
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hi; hope i am doing this right ..i have just joined so accept my appollogies if i have got things wrong.
i was looking on the net once to look at the reccords of all hands lost on the hull trawler Gaul..i noticed that the register if you like,was full of lost hands on many different ships,naming docks /ports etc..i wonder if your search could be helped by this sight...i stumbled on it as i looked for info on the above..wished i could say which sight but if you follow lost seamen you may stumble on it too..i can tell you thats its an old black and white long sheet of names...
would like to just add that my sister and i spent a short time in newland homes cottingham road hull about 55yrs ago..there was a boat at the back i think, we used to try and reach to play on it...i tried to zoom in on google but it seemed to be missing..i would love to see it again..we were in dr lee's house , there were different house names as the orphanage was designed as a village inside...i would love to hear from anyone else whom was in there...my best wishes in your search...Prianka
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat...There is a page for the Orphanage on Facebook.
Carol
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Hi All
I can't believe there have been 160+ replies and over 26000 views since I started the thread when looking for the orphanage's location.
I now know I was wrong about it being on the present Iceland shop site :'(
My Mum and Dad found a 1908 West Hull map for me and when I was up there recently I checked it out.
I was also looking for the church where my grandparents were married. It was St Judes and I remember going past it quite often but always thought they were the other way round.
I can confirm that St Judes Church was where the Iceland shop is now, ie, between Norwood St and Stanley St. The Seamen's Orphanage was next on the left going away from town towards Botanic Crossing. It was between Stanley St and Derringham St. There is now a Tesco Express on the corner of Stanley St and the rest is derelict scrubland. It is surrounded by builder's metal fencing but if you look closely you can still see where the entrance was as the gate brick pillars are still there.
I hope this is useful to someone, and a big thank you for all the interesting info that has come out the thread :D
Regards
Ian
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Hi Ian....Look what you started ;D...All the people who have been helped on here because of your initial post 8)...that must make this one of the longest running posts on here.
I have a very early postcard of the Orphanage when it was on Sring Bank...if you don't have it...I can send you a copy if you P.M. your email address.
Carol
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Hi Carol
I've got the postcard now, I think the pillars I mentioned are the gateway to the right of lampost.
It's really nice to "put a face" to the building. It certainly looks like an imposing building but I get the impression from various sources that it was a happy place. I know my grandad and siblings went back regularily after they had left.
Anyway, thanks again
Ian
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Glad you got it Ian...Yes from what I have read...they had lots of private sponsors and it was run a bit like a Boarding School.
Carol
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I wonder if anyone can help please. I am a newly registered member.
I have a query relating to the Hull Seamans' and General Orphanage but unfortunately can't find a New Topic button.
I am posting this message having clicked on 'reply' to a particular message which seems to be the only way I can make any progress.
Thank you.
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Following on from my first message - which has appeared on the forum somehow!! - I wonder if anyone can help with the following:-
In 1961 my wife was a bridesmaid at her uncle's wedding which took place at Hull's Derringham Bank church. There were 4 bridesmaids, 3 of whom were family members. The fourth was a girl named Gwyneth aged around 14 years. Gwyneth was from the Hesslewood orphanage. Her surname is not known.
Last year was the couple's golden wedding in London. They tried desperately to find Gwyneth as they wanted to give all the bridesmaids the opportunity to be at the event. They had no success and of course she may not still be alive. They would still love to know what happened to Gwyneth and I am doing my bit to try and help which is how I found this forum.
My wife and I have been to the Hull History Centre and whilst they gave us access to some interesting material, they claimed that Data Protection issues prevented any disclosure of individuals' names.
Can anyone help please in terms of any personal knowledge or suggestions as to how this particular mystery can be solved.
Thank you.
Geoff
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Hull seamens and general orphanage was originally at the Iceland food site but moved en masse to ferriby road hessle. The site is now hesslewood business park. The orphanage closed in 1985.
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I thought this might be of interest to those will ancestors who spent time in Newland Homes Orphanage in Hull.
Carol
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Hi Carol, great photograph of Newland Orphanage, any idea of the date?
My Aunt, Kate Elsie Lawson was there from 1926 to 1932.
I would like a copy of the photograph for our family history if possible.
Les
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Hi Les...early 1900s I believe...just right click on the paperclip and save.
Carol
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Thanks Carol, you may remember that my g.uncle George Reuben was there from 12 November 1901 to 19 December 1906 when he joined the army aged 14. I've other photos, so will download this one too. I always think, looking at the photos, that despite being orphans they do look happy (although perhaps not in this particular photo) and well fed, perhaps better than they were before entering the orphanage.
Lizzie
ps. It's possible my g.uncle is in the photo but as I have no photograph of him as an adult I wouldn't know him even if he was in the photo.
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Hi Lizzie...from what I have read....they were quite regimented places but got a good education and discipline and were well fed and clothed. I also read that relatives often sent money to help with their upkeep and some of them had sponsors...It beats life in the Workhouse or worse...begging on the streets or being abused and controlled by an insensitive master.
I do remember you telling me about him and it's nice to see the way they lived and take comfort from knowing he could just be staring back at you from this photo ;)
Carol
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Hi Carole
Perhaps he liked the regimentation as he joined the army aged 14, rather than go to sea like his father and eldest brother (although he too joined the army when George was put into the orphanage), shame he died in WW1, not that I would ever have known about him as my grandfather (his brother) told his family he was an only child and an orphan, so the only family my dad and siblings knew was their mother's family. Very odd person my grandfather from all accounts. ::)
Lizzie
ps. Back to my holiday now, we're in France but had such a busy day yesterday we decided to stay at the rented house today. It's so quiet and peaceful here. OH has been asleep on the sofa for a couple of hours (same as at home!!) as he said it was too hot outside. I just came in to check up on e-mails etc.
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That's so sad Lizzie but I guess he had his reasons.
We are go to France very year and love it...we are going in a few weeks....yes...my OH enjoys a siesta to when it's warm...a hangover from when he was in the navy.
Enjoy the rest of your holiday.
Carol
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Hi everyone,
My father was born in 1947, and my mum told me that my grandma told her that he was adopted from Hull. I would like to know if there were any other orphanages aside from Seaman's Orphanage in Hull in existence at that time? Was Seaman's Orphanage open in October 1947? I am interested in finding any details about his adoption that I haven't been told, does anyone have any ideas?
Many thanks,
Adam
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat...there was also Newland Homes and Hesslewood Hall, was his Father attached to the sea do you know. The seaman's orphanage which was on Spring Bank was closed by then.
Carol
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Hi thanks Carol! I don't know who his father or mother were. All I know is what his first name was and his date of birth. I found this http://catalogue.hullhistorycentre.org.uk/files/c-dsho.pdf in the history catalogue, and see that C DSHO/4 would be the document I'd like to find to try and find him in there, but I can't see how to access it. Thank you for that information, I will also look up Newland Homes and Hesslewood Orphanage!
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Yes that's where the records are held...you might want to email them but I think the the 100 years rule may prevent you from accessing records.
Carol
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Hmmm, I think I can't: "Hull History Centre: The Records of the Hull Seamens and General Orphanage
C DSHO/4/17 Boys admission registers 1939 - 1964
no.s 1441 - 1690. Closed under data protection until Jan 2065"
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Carol it looks like Newland Homes and Hesslewood Orphanage were owned by the same organisation as Seaman's and General, meaning their records would all be in the same place - is that correct?
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All records for the Hull Orphanages are held at the Hull History Centre. Hull Seaman's and General Orphanage was originally on Spring Bank but moved to Hesslewood Hall around 1920. Newland Sailor's Homes was the Port of Hull Society, Cottage Homes which closed about Four years ago. If you take the time to read through the posts here it will give you all the information you need.
Carol
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Hi Danielle i knew your mum well, we were together in the homes, im not sure how to private message you so if you could get intouch,please do xx
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Hi Debbie and welcome to RootsChat...This is a very old post and Danielle hasn't been on RootsChat for over 5 years so you may not get a response....but you never know.
Good Luck!
Carol
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Awww i hope Danielle sees my message i was her mums best friend in hessle high road childrens homes in the 70s.Thankyou for the welcome!
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Debbie if you click on the text icon under her name on the left, you will be able to send her a personal message and give her your contact details.
Carol
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Thankyou Carol have sent her a message x ;)
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It may be of interest to those who had relatives living at Newlands Childrens Homes, Cottingham Road, Hull that one of my grandad's cne films is of the Whit Monday carnival in 1964. Though it is a family cine film there is something of the buildings and of course shots of the crowd if you think you may recognise somebody.
Though the film still needs editing slightly you can watch for it coming on YouTube if you search "Joseph Wilson - His Wonderful World of Cine". His films are uploaded on the 1st of every month and many have Hull content.
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Hi Redlands and welcome to RootsChat, thanks for your interesting response, very helpful.
Carol