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Independent Islands => Isle of Man => Isle of Man Lookup Requests => Topic started by: kevin450 on Saturday 24 November 07 15:41 GMT (UK)
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looking for birth of william beedon in the 1891 and 1901 census aged 54 in 1901 census he lives at
6 exley street liverpool and works as a paper ruler place of birth is given as the isle of man in the 1891 and 1901 census [ dob c1847 ]
he married on the feb 24 1868 to madonna smith formely lovell st stephens church liverpool
william beedon age is given as 21 therefore dob c1847
on the marriage certificate william beedons father name is william beedon profession baker residence is given as south john street liverpool
on the isle of man census i can match the name and year but not the fathers name
can anyone help advise which way to go
should i ask the iom registrar office to look it up
regards
kevin jones :)
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Kevin,
Try posting a plea for help on the Isle-of-Man F.H.S. board.
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thanks for that advice have follwed it just posted it on the i.o.m. f.h.s.
regards
kevin jones
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Hi Kevin,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Sorry I can't help with BMD but I've had a look at the 1851 IOM census and I see 2 possible boys:
One born ca. 1846 Rushen with mother Eliza, Sailor's wife. Tracing the family back to 1841, her husband is called Thomas ...
The other one was born ca. 1845 Castletown, living with widowed mother Ann. Back in 1841, Ann was married to a William, but his occupation was a butcher...
Not much help, am I :P
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Interestingly, I see that some of Ann's children are in Lancashire in 1861:
So we have in 1851
HO107/2526
Castletown, Malew, Isle of Man
4 Quay
Ann Beedon, head, wid, 40, Inn Keeper
Thomas, son, 16, Errand boy
Martha, dau, 12, scholar
Cathrina, dau, 10, scholar
Leaeh?, dau, 8, scholar
William, son, 6, scholar
(1841 shows a few more children, among which an Elizabeth age 9)
Martha age 22 and Elizabeth age 32 are at Chorlton upon Medlock, Lancashire (RG9/2879 107 33) in 1861.
Edit: 1841 also showed a daughter Ann born ca. 1837, who is in Lancashire as well in 1861 (a servant in Ardwick)
A Catherine Beedon age 19 born Isle of Man is also in service at West Derby
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thank you very much for help you have given a route to follow you and everyone else have been very helpful with your time thank you
regards
kevin jones :)
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Out of curiosity, I have tried to trace the family back from 1881, hoping to find him with siblings. Took me some time to find 1871! Just in case you don't have it:
1871
RG10/3789 15 24
Liverpool, Lancashire
Constance St 16
William Beaden, head, 25, Paper Ruler, b. Isle of Man
Madarra, wife, 22, b. Cheshire Higher Bebbington
William, son, 2, b. Lancs Liverpool
:)
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see reply on http://www.isle-of-man.com/cgi-bin/interests/genealogy/bulletin/index.pl?noframes
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Excellent, Frances! Any chance the marriage cert says butcher instead of baker, Kevin? :-\ I don't suppose the marriage witnesses are Beedons?
Can anyone see the other William Beedon on later census? ???
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first a big thank you to tati and frances, for this you lot are awsome and i am learning the way you look for threads, i didn't have the 1871 only got as far as 1881
the marriage cert has edward conway and ellen trass as the witnesses
you also have given me another way of spelling my grear, great gran mothers first name and where she is from at this presnt moment i am waiting for her birth certificate as she married as a smith but was formerly a lovell
i may write to the lancashire recoerd office for the certificate as i am led to beleave they have the original copys from which the GRO is copied may be a tyepo error on the trade
regards
kevin
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Hi Frances thanks to your info of 1871 i think i have birth of william beedon on the free bmd beadon william births dec 1868 liverpool
regards
kevin
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Pigot's 1837 directory has Beedon William, Arbory st under Butchers but by 1846 Slater's had Beedon William, parliament square - not the same place at least 100yrds apart;
Leah also emigrated to Austrialia on the Glenmark in 1869 (Leah married a Mr Clark in Australia)
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also as it looks as if Ann Kinvig was mother she apparently remarried a George Wagstaff in 1852 (malew 18520318) but he is buried Malew 19 Mar 1854 tho Ann is buried age 65 in Malew 8 Apr 1875 (she married as Ann Isabella
This fits in with Ann Kinvig d/o Thomas Kinvig and Isabella Curphy m Braddan 18090528 but the IGI has a baptism of an Ann Isabella Malew 18100506 but to a cath costean + thomas kinvig - no marriage for this pair (& not marked illeg) - I'm working in Manx Museum tomorrow will try to check this (actually I now suspect an IGI transcription error as there were 3 bapts in Malew that day and another involved a cath costean)
assuming Thomas Kinvig + Isabella curphy then Thomas was most likely s/o Thomas Kinvig + Elizth Clague bapt Arbory 17840905
with Isabele possibly dau of Peter Curphy + Margt Cubbin(Cubbon) Douglas St Mathews 17841228
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Clinches it, I'd say! 8) 8)
1861
RG9/2691 88 8
Liverpool, Lancashire
14 Prudhoe Street
George Harwood Wagstaff, lodger, 42, House Joiner, b. London
Anne Isabella, wife, 50, b. Isle of Man
Sarah Beaden, stepdau, 18, servant, b. do.
Wm Patrick Beaden, stepson, 16, Paper Ruler, b. do.
John Beaden, stepson, 14, Paper Ruler, b. do.
:D
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and guess where little John was in 1851?
1851
HO107/2526 127 31
Castletown, Malew, Isle of Man
5 Crofts
Isabella Kinvig, head, wid, 66, Annuitant, b. Douglas
Catherine, dau, unm, 30, Milliner, b. Castletown
Mayant, dau, unm, 21, Milliner, b. do.
Isabella, dau, unm, 28?, b. do.
Ann Beedon, granddau, 13, b. do.
John Beedon, grandson, 4, b. do.
8)
Thomas and Isabella are at HO107/1464/5 5 4 in 1841. shout if details needed.
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once again a big thank you, i am trying to get my head around the info i am new to this ancestry and this is the first line i have followed
trying to get use to slight name changes ie. beedon, beeden beadon etc.
its interesting stuff i am going to get all the info together I may be back with some questions
one question i have is what is meant by the numbers after malew
I also found one the witnesses to william beedon and madonna smith marriage 1868, edward conway lived in Cholton on medlock 1871 with reference to Martha and Elizabeth
once again thank you
kevin :) ;)
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18150102 = 2 jan 1815 etc (my personal database so dates are always sortable)
to add a little more I have put up summaries of the two early Beedon wills on www.manxnotebook.com - look up under Rushen
The baptismal entry for Ann Isabella Kinvig as reported on IGI is that which appears in the actual marriage register Thomas Kinvig + cath costean - however the next entry for same day is also mother cath costean so looks as if the parish clerk made a mistake (the handwriting and entries are very untidy with some running sideways others scrawled in margin - there is also a nearby entry that had been disputed later on as incorrect so quite likely the Parish Clerk was not on top of the job)
tho not part of your family there was a burial in 1854 for a George Wagstaff (from Mill St) Castletown but obviously not Ann's second husband (? a child, she was still of childbearing age - no age given)
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Hi Frances one again thank you
i found the will in the wills summary 1698-1799 Rushen
I am sending off for the marriage cert from the liverpool office to check if the was an error on the trade will let you know, then going to sort the info out will be back with question i am sure
Your time is appreciated
regards
kevin
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Hi Frances and Tati
still trying to get my head around all the info i have a question.
I have also found the marriage on the IGI of ann kinvig to william Beedon 30 jul 1833 Malew
to get the marriage certificate do i send off for them and the other marriages births from the Isle of man register office
any advice what to do to back things up with documentation
regards
kevin
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you can pay your £6 50 or to IoM Reg office (I'm all for it - saves my taxes) but it might well be cheaper to borrow the Mormon films of the official transcription of registers and make your own copy - the Official 'Birth' (ie a bapt pre 1878) and Marriage cert will contain no additional information other than which is on that film.
If you do order certs just give then parish, name + dates - they are generally very friendly
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Hi Frances and Tati
I would just thought i would like to let you know that i have my great great grand fathers death certificate for william patrick beedon who died in 1903 aged 55 which makes him born c 1848. as a paper ruler from 5 exley street and his son nathan was the witness
As i am new to this ancestry thing i have learned a few things
1. persons don't always give their full name only once is patrick used in a census [ 1861 ] all the other time is just william beedon.
2. Free BMD does not have all the death records but is the easiest search found him on ancestry.co.uk
3. Various spellings of beedon
4. keep digging for the source to back up your details
5. ask on the internet for help
so once again Frances and Tati thanks for your help I may be asking again
best regards
kevin :) ;D
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Oh yes please come back anytime 8)
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thanks for that tati
i have posted a expanded reply to the above to the beedon thread on the IOM FHS website with a question
regards
kevin
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this information provided on the IoM FHS william beedon thread
William Beedon 43 buried 14 Nov 1850
Malew Old Yard MI
#431
(on church wall)
Sacred to the memory of MARGARET BEEDON alias COWLEY wife of WILLIAM BEEDON of Castletown who departed this life the 1st Octr 1832 aged 23 years
Also of the above-named WILLIAM BEEDON who died November 12 1850 aged 43
Also of ANN WAGSTAFF who died April 4th 1875 aged 65 years
Also of CATHERINE HARRIS who died Feb 12th 1882 aged 65 years
any comments appreciated
regards
kevin
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Hi there,
Don't know if you will get this, but I am searching the Isabella Curphey and Thomas Kinvig (both b ~1786 IOM) you mention in one of your other threads. I see you have found them in the 1841 and 1851 IOM census but for the life of me I can't see them. Is there any reason for this please ? Catherine's sister, Eliza (b 1815) is my gt gt grandmother. She was also a Milliner. Her married daughter and children came to New Zealand in 1879.
I would be very grateful if you have any information on Isabella Curphey and Thomas Kinvig please. I have his birth date and their marriage dates only and an unconvincing list of their children. I don't have the Ann listed who appears to be another daughter, providing 2 Isabella's Beedon grandchildren.
Regards
Jocelyn
and guess where little John was in 1851?
1851
HO107/2526 127 31
Castletown, Malew, Isle of Man
5 Crofts
Isabella Kinvig, head, wid, 66, Annuitant, b. Douglas
Catherine, dau, unm, 30, Milliner, b. Castletown
Mayant, dau, unm, 21, Milliner, b. do.
Isabella, dau, unm, 28?, b. do.
Ann Beedon, granddau, 13, b. do.
John Beedon, grandson, 4, b. do.
8)
Thomas and Isabella are at HO107/1464/5 5 4 in 1841. shout if details needed.
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they are definitely there in 1841 look up Thomas Kinvig tanner + saddler Arbory St Castletown
Ancestry has a few omitted pages but I doubt if two censuses have linked omissions so suspect your search procedure
the Ann looks rather like the IGI entry for Thos Kinvig + Cath Costean Malew 18100506 - there are no other children I know to this couple I havn't checked this period in the register so not sure if a confused transcription error - Thos + Isable m Braddan 18090528
I have only 5 ch - there are two Eliza's possibly one was buried as an infant in Arbory but yoy need check Arbory burial reg for details