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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: cyndy on Sunday 25 November 07 16:23 GMT (UK)
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Please can anyone help with finding the ancestry of William Grice born at Kingsley? about 1834. Married Mary Hesford of Stretton in 1855. I have been sent a great deal of info on the Grice family but can`t see this particular William.
Thanks Cyndy
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An obvious question would be:
what has your source used to deduce the age and birthplace of William?
Are there any other William () around which this 'new' one could actually be?
You're the one with the "great deal of info on the Grice family"
Pauline
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Hi Cyndy
Are you absolutely certain that he married Mary Hesford in 1855 ?
Looking at the 1861 and 1871 census returns in Shropshire for the married couple it looks more likely to me that he married Mary Ann Heesom in 1855 at Toxteth Park St James :-\ Their first child, John James, was born in Liverpool (West Derby) in early 1856.
His wife is always shown as Mary A on later censuses. On the 1851 census there is a Mary Ann Heesom of the correct age from Stretton.
On the 1861 census William is shown as being born in Cheshire with no specific town. In 1871 it says he was born in Kingsley, Cheshire. By 1881 he has died. So we only have the one specific reference to Kingsley after he married.
DS ;)
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Thank you both for your response to my post.
What may seem `obvious` to experienced researchers is not necessarily so to those like myself are fairly new to family history.
I was enquiring on behalf of `an other`who had spotted my Grice interest on the Cheshire Ancestor.My link with the Grice family is only through my g.grandmothers second marriage to a Grice. There were no children of that marriage so my search stopped for awhile. I was then contacted by living relatives of my g.grandmother s second husband and it is their family history that I have access to. Before I pass this on to my new enquirer I must get their permission. In the meantime I thought Rootschatters might help me out.
DS I`ll pass on your info. to my enquirer. Hopefully it will help with his research.
Again many thanks.
Cyndy
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Hi Cyndy
From the way that you phrased your original enquiry, I had assumed that you (and your contact) were already in possession of the census information after William married.
Having now read your last response I am not too sure. Therefore, if you do not already have the 1861 and 1871 census entries and you would like them, please let me know and I will post the details for you.
There is only one William Grice from Kingsley showing on the 1841 and 1851 censuses. His birth year is indicated as 1830/31. On the face of it he is too old to be the William who is shown on the later censuses married to Mary A, but he is also the only William Grice from Kingsley shown on those two returns. It is possible that they could be the same person.
The 1841 census shows him with parents called James and Mary. James was an Agricultural Labourer. The marriage certificate for William should indicate his age and who his father was.
I still think that William married Mary Ann Heesom but if you and your contact are not convinced about this then it might be necessary first to get the birth certificate of one of his children in order to ascertain his wife’s maiden name (unless, of course, he has already done this and knows for certain that it was Mary Hesford).
Someone on Genes Reunited (called Robert) has William Grice born 1833 Kingsley on his tree. If this is not your contact it may be worth his while to check this out.
DS ;)
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Hi Cindy
Have you tried this site:
http://cgi.csc.liv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/cgiwrap?user=cprdb&script=fullrec
If you have already I apologise, but you can never assume. There are quite a few Grice's in there and a William in 1833. Not sure how local though?
Cheers
Doggy
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Hi Doggy,
I`d like to look at the website that you sent but when I try it tells me that I haven`t made a selection and to go back to the previous page.I don`t think that I can do that. Please can you help.
So far I haven`t had any response from the person who originally asked for my help about William Grice which is a pity.Never mind I have many other relatives in Cheshire so your suggested website could be useful to me.
Cheers, Cyndy
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Hi
I think that this link will allow you to use the site properly...
http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb/
It takes a bit of getting used to. In order to search you should click on the word “Database” on the left and then select Baptism, Marriage or Burial from the ensuing page. You might need to read through some of the other pages first before you can understand how the search facility works and what is available.
Hope that helps (a bit)
DS ;)
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Hi, Thankyou for this. I have managed to get into the site. Have only had a quick look at births on the parish register. Most of my ancestors are connected with St. Mary`s{?}Halton. Do you know which parish I can look for them in?The family name is BATE.
Cheers, Cyndy
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Hi Cyndy
I've just had a quick look and there are many Bate families on the site but I can't see any for Halton. Maybe the Runcorn area isn't transcribed yet?
Perhaps you might want to give me a specific name and approx birth and I'll see what I can do as there are other resources to look at also,
Cheers
Doggy
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Hi again, Thanks for yourhelp. Yes there are a lot of Bate family on the site.
Could you try WALTER BATE 1863-1892
WALTER married MARY STOKES DEC.25th 1889 in ST. MARY`S PARISH CHURCH ,HALTON.I have a copy of the marriage certificate.
This should help discover if the Halton Parish records have been transcribed.
In 1907MARY BATE[widow] Married THOMAS JOHN GRICE[widower] in Halton church.
Like my late father WALTER BATE I was also baptised at St. Mary`s Halton.In 1941.
My plan is to make a visit to Halton next year and do some on the spot `detective work` and look up old haunts from my childhood.
Very many thanks,
Cyndy[Cynthia]
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No joy I'm afraid Cyndy.
There are a few likely candidates on http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/cheshirebmd/index.html
The csc.liv site only goes up to 1870's and I think the project is an ongoing one.
Cheers
Doggy
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Thanks very much for trying.
Cheers, Cyndy
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Hi
There are a couple of possibilties on FreeBMD
BATES - Walter - Warrington 8c 164 = JUN QTR 1863
BATE - Walter - Warrington 8c 161 = JUN QTR 1864
How sure are you of the date?
Cheers
Doggy
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Hi again,
I think that the dates I gave you were for Walters birth which on the 1871 census which says Aged 8,birth abt.1863.I have his marriage certificate which shows his marriage to Mary Stokes in 1889. Walters age is given as 27 years so he could have been born in 1862.
I haven`t any documentry proof of Bate family members before Walter, only census records which take me back to James in 1841.With help from rootschat I may have got back as far as Jonathan m.Betty/Elizabeth Gross in 1778. It`s a shame that the website you recommended has not transcribed the b.m.d details for Halton Parish. My ancestors seem to have stayed very close to their roots over the years so it`s been quite easy to trace them.
I think it`s time for me to purchase some more certificates!!
Many thanks for your continuing interest.
Cheers, Cyndy
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Hi Cyndy,
I am relatively new to genealogy and also to this site (found it through Google) but I am fairly certain that the William Grice you were enquiring about in Nov/Dec 07 is my great great grandfather. I have managed to trace my mother's family tree back to William but no further. I was wondering if you ever managed to find out any more about him and his predecessors, as that would be very helpful to me. William's son, John, lived and worked in (mostly) Wrockwardine Wood, Shropshire, as a coal miner. He married Ellen Ashley, and they four sons (three of which, Orlando, Edward and James, died in the Great War) and two daughters, Elizabeth and MaryJane (my Grandmother).
I do look forward to hearing from you (we also share a name!)
Cynthia
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Hello Cynthia,
I`m not sure that I can help. My great grandmother`s second husband was Thomas Grice they married in 1907. Thomas is descended from Samuel Grice b.c.1777 Kingsley Cheshire. Samuel had a son William b. c1807 Kingsley Cheshire. William`s descendants seem to have lived in Cheshire until emigrating to Australia and finally new Zealand.
It doesn`t seem to fit the details of your great great grandfather William Grice. Good luck with your research. Do get in touch if you think I can helpin the future.
Cyndy
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Hi there I'm very new to this site. Here goes for my information
My great grandmother was Fanny E Grice of Moxley then Staffordshire married Roland Hammond my mom's grain and grandad
Her father was William B Grice born 1852 Bilston Staffordshire
His father was Henry Grice 1831 of Roden Heos High Ercall Shropshire
His wife Mary a Grice 1827 of Bilston Staffordshire
They lived at 29 High street Madeley
Hope this helps regards Karen
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Hello Bartmarsh My Father was Alfred David Grice 1906-1962 Born in Moxley
My Grandfather was Thomas Alfred Grice 1882-1962 also born in Moxley
His father was William Bayley Grice 1852-1931 also born in Moxley
This is where our records do not tally
William Bayley Grice was born out of Wedlock to Maria Grice 1832-1905
Maria was the Daughter of Samuel Grice 1790-1856 & Elizabeth Grice (nee Jennings)
They are buried together in All Saints Moxley
Please contact me if you require any more details