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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: DiggingforBrown on Thursday 29 November 07 13:38 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I am a new addition to the addiction known as geneology. I have hit a snag and I am unsure of how to proceed.... My great-grandfather was a William Henry Brown, living in Lambeth in and around 1890 but I am unable to find him on any census records...... How can I proceed???????
Any help/tips would be gratefully received
Jill
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Hello Jill and welcome to Rootschat. :)
Can you tell us all you know about William Henry (eg birth year, birth place, whether married) and we will have a look st the censuses too. He may be mistranscribed or he might have switched his names round - many people did!
Barbara
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Hi Barbara
Wow, didnt expect anyone to have read it this quickly...
I dont have a birth, marriage or death year... We think he married Margaret Sanders and was def living in Lambeth in 1914 because my grandfather Joseph J Brown was registered that year (birth Certificate ordered and should arrive anyday), albeit that he was born in 1890..
Members of the family think that his occupation was as a Brass Fitter......
I am afraid that is all I know at the moment... I have searched the marriage lists and census records but I am unable to find anything conclusive.
I really appreciate any help you can offer.
Jill
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Hello Jill
This all sounds a bit odd ;D I can't quite understand why the registration would be so late - Joseph would be 24.
So, would you expect Joseph J to be with William in the censuses in 1891 and 1901?
Barbara
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Hi Barbara
No, I am assuming that they were just very late in their registration.... unless I have the wrong Joseph J Brown... Hopefully I will know more when the birth certificate arrives...
The other really strange thing is that the birth records for Joseph J Brown, registered in 1914 have the mothers maiden name as Frankland... Which is his future wifes maiden name ....
Will let you know more as and when the birth certificate arrives..
Bye for now
Jill
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I will be very interested to hear what the birth certificate says Jill.
Do you have the marriage certificate for Joseph and his wife (Ruth Frankland I think). This should give an occupation for Joseph's father.
I found this birth registration which is presumably the first child of Joseph and Ruth.
Births Mar 1916
Brown Joseph J Frankland Lambeth 1d 459
Barbara
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Think Barbara has found the birth cert looks like its Josephs son not his own birth cert that you are sending for.
A possible in 1901 for Joseph with his Father William
RG13 Piece 407 Folio 20 Page 32
20 St Alban Bldg,China Walk.Lambeth Church Second,Lambeth
William Brown,Head,Widower,40,Draper Warehouseman,Southwark
William Brown,Son,15,Van Guard,Camberwell,London
George Brown,Son,13,Battersea,London
Joseph Brown,Son,10,Lambeth,London
Marriage of Joseph
Qtr July 1915 Vol 1d Page 906
Joseph J Brown to Ruth M Frankland
Welsh Lady
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And this looks a good possible for your Grandfather
Birth Cert
Joseph John Brown Qtr June 1890 Vol 1d Page 344 in Lambeth
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Hello Jill and Welsh Lady
This looks like a possible birth registration
Births Jun 1890
Brown Joseph John Lambeth 1d 344
Barbara
Snap!
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And here they are in 1891
1 Pleasant Place?,Lambeth Church First,Lambeth
RG12 Piece 392 Folio 66 Page 40
W. Brown,Head,29,General Lab,Southwark
Margaret Brown,Wife,28,St Giles?(cant read writing)
W.Anthony Brown,Son,5,St Giles.London
Robert G Brown,Son,3,Battersea,London
Joseph J Brown,Son,11m,Lambeth,London
Welsh Lady
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Hi
Thank you, you have saved me from hurting my head on that brick wall, you guys are amazing... The birth certificate of my Grandfather arrived today and confirms that his parents were living at 1 Pleasant Place...
I am so grateful for your help, I will def be recommending this site to everyone and if I get stuck in future I will be back..
Again, thank you
Jill
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birth:~
BROWN George W mmn. Frankland Lambeth.1d 702 Q1 1920
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Hi Toni
Thank you for that information, where did you find it, I have tried looking for birth details for my mum, aunts and uncles but to no avail???
Jill
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in the BMD index only after Q4 1911 mmn. were included so any born after the 1901 census and to September 1911 are more difficult to find
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Hi, My is Gavin Frankland. The Brown's from Lambeth was part of my dads relations. We was all from Lambeth until the 60's.
Ruth Frankland was my grandads sister.
Vivian Brown was one of the sons who was killed at Arnhem.
I have researched quite a bit but I have no photo of him.
Thanks