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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: teddybear1843 on Thursday 29 November 07 22:54 GMT (UK)
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Hi All
I have found a few people who arrived on this ship in January 1853 and now I wonder the best way to look for them in Australia?
I know my way around the English records but not the Australian ones online. Are there any freeBMD sites for South Australia? How would I find out where the family went to after they arrived?
As you lot are aware, Australia is a big place...................where do you start?
Many thanks.
Teddy
;)
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You could read the useful links posted at the beginning of this forum. ;D
Some on this forum have the BDM cds at home who can do lookups, there is not anything online for SA (I do not think) If your family wandered over the border into Victoria then you can be happy as they have much more informative bdm certificates - images which can be downloaded instantly, for a fee.
South Australian birth indexes have the mother's maiden name so you know you have the right family, also gives the place, so you can see their movements.
1853 was in the gold rush times - and a lot of movement between States.
So, post the names and see how you go! Give as much info as you can, where born, age, parents names, etc. This can help us identify potential marriages and deaths.
ChristineR
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Thanks Christine.
The names that I am looking at are:
Isaac, Margaret & Hannah, Robert, Adam & Matthew Haver/s, aged 58, 45, 10, 25, 15 & 14.
Israel and Maria Rix (nee Chapman) aged 24 and 23.
John & Susan Rowe (nee Chapman) aged 30 and 21.
James and Mary Ann Rump aged 25 and 22.
Wilberry and Ann Skerry aged 22 and 19.
James, Mary, Philip & Ann Wilkinson aged 32, 33, 8 & 6.
All of these people were born/lived in Norfolk and I have information relating to them that could be of use to those in Australia. I would like to know what became of Israel & Maria Rix as Maria was born in my own village.
Teddy
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Hello there having trouble locating some of these folk in South Australia
Did they all come on the Shackamaxon to South australia?
The only names I could match up so far
is perhaps James and Mary Rump was her maiden name Bentham?
now Israel RIX died 20/2/1854 aged 25 no parents details given adelaide Book3 page 44
Maria Rix W aged 25 married Robert Burgess S aged 26 on 19/10/1854 at St James Church Blakiston Adelaide Book20 page 140 no parents given for either party.
it would appear Robert died because of this possible tie in
13/10/1856 Maria Burgess aged 28 father James Chapman married James Blight aged 40 at the Wesleyan Cahpel Strathalbyn book28page34
no children
kind regards Jenn
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Hi Tropical J
Yes, they all arrived on that ship, according to the Ships lists site anyway.
Poor Maria, losing her husbands like that! Could you find anything else about her please? She came from a very small village in central Norfolk and it is so sad to think about her losing her first husband after travelling all that way from home together.
It seems quite likely that Mary Rump was a Bentham as their daughter was called Amelia and an Amelia Bentham from Norfolk, also went out on the same ship.
Thanks so much. If there are any Norfolk look-ups you need, just ask.
Teddy
;)
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Isaac, Margaret & Hannah, Robert, Adam & Matthew Haver/s, aged 58, 45, 10, 25, 15 & 14.
Deaths South Australia 1842-1915
HAVERS, Isaac aged 79, 10th April 1870, death place & residence - Clare
Ref: Cla, Book 38, Page 88 No relative recorded in index.
HAVERS, Margaret, widow of deceased husband Isaac Havers, died 9 July 1887, aged 86, at Donnybrook near Clare (place of residence)
Ref: Cla, 164/404
HAVERS, Matthew, relative not recorded, married, died 30 Jun 1912, aged 73 at Clare
ref: Cla, 367/37
HAVERS, Robert, relative not recorded, married, died 20 April 1884 at Clare, aged 59 ref: Clar 137/164
HAVERS, Adam, died aged 13 years, 15 Dec 1874, at Clare, father Adam
ref: Cla, 62/177
ChristineR
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Good one Chris
I read the surname as Isaac not Haver/s I thought it meant Mattthew's middle name was Haver/havers stupid me >:(
kind regards JEnn 8)
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Marriages South Australia 1842-1916
Adam HAVERS, aged 20 married Anna CLARE aged 19, on 27 Dec 1855 at Clare
Fathers not recorded.
ref: Cla 24/149
Matthew HAVERS, single, 30, married Jane LUGET, 25, single
21 Apr 1871 at St Mark Church, Penwortham
fathers; Isaac HAVERS, Charles LUGET
ref: Cla 87/168 another entry for this marriage too ref: Cla 89/259 same details.
I do not see Robert's marriage in SA, but see his wife and also the deaths of some infants.
Hannah HAVERS, 20, married James BAKER, 22, 02 Dec 1860 St Mark Penwortham
Fathers- Isaac HAVERS, Jacob BAKER
ref: Cla 44/312 symbol A (I do not recall what the latter means offhand)
Hannah remarried, now known as Annie
Annie BAKER, full age, married Montague Washington Napene DEMPSEY, full age, at St Mark Penwortham, ref: Cla 55/32
fathers: Isaac HAVERS, Montague DEMPSEY
back to the death cd
wife of Robert
HAVERS, Johanna, died 7 Jul 1913, aged 87, at Clare, widow of Robert HAVERS
ref: Cla 375/473
ChristineR
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Good one Chris
I read the surname as Isaac not Haver/s I thought it meant Mattthew's middle name was Haver/havers stupid me >:(
kind regards JEnn 8)
I thought that is what happened! I first thought the same :D you can do the births, I'm feeling a little jaded from a late night last night, typing is a bit tedious - if only I was allowed to copy and paste ::)
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births in South Australia
JESSE HEWETT RUMP 17/11/1855 AT FINDON ADELAIDE 5/251
EMMY ELEANOR RUMP 4/8/1867 at Beverly Adelaide 56/312
JOHN RUMP 22/10/1873 at Beverly Hindmarsh 128/323
parents JAMES RUMP MARY ANN BENTHAM
regards Jenn
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This is totally irrelevant but ...
I have a dear friend from another Australian state who is researching the Shackamaxon because my friend's ancestor was the much maligned (unfairly maligned?!) Assistant Surgeon on that ship (where there were so many deaths)! So I've read some of the documentation out at the SA Archives ...
A small world, eh!
JAP
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Hello there found some births in Victoria
for James Rump and Mary Ann Bentham (misspelt though)
ELIZA RUMP BORN 1858 AT MBORO
JAMES RUMP BORN 1861 AT MARY
MARY ANN RUMP BORN 1864 AT MARY
now some marriages in South Australia
JESSE HEWITT RUMP AGED 24 S father James Rump married
MARY BROOKS 23 S father JAMES BROOKS at the residence of james rump 8/4/1880 Beverly hindmarsh 123/67
MRY HEWITT RUMP AGED 17 S FATHER JAMES RUMP MARRIED JOSEPH BROOKS S AGED 20 FATHER JAMES BROOKS AT THE RES OF REV H MORGAN TORRENS ROAD HINDMARSH ADELAIDE 122/234
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DEATHS
JAMES RUMP AGED 68 died 2/8/1896 at Beverly 228/276
MARY ANN RUMP AGED 74 died 15/10/1904 at Beverly 305/270
Teddy did the Rump's arrive with children ?
there is these marriages that could be one of yours
AMELIA RUMP AGED 21 S FATHER JAMES RUMP married
WILLIAM HEWITT AGED 31 W FATHER JAMES HEWITT 14/7/1870 (making her birth roughly 1849)
at the residence of Rev R S Casely Kent Town Adelaide 84/94
HARRIET RUMP AGED 21 S father James Rump married 17/4/1873
JAMES HENRY BROOKS aged 21 S father James Brooks at the Registery office Hindmarsh 95/192
and these two
Alice Lily Hewitt RUMP aged 21 S father James Rump married 27/2/1888
ALBERT BOWLES FRICKER aged 22 S father ALbert Fricker at the grooms moths at Inkerman 157/1134
Ellen Hewitt Rump aged 24 S father James Rump married 4/5/1892
aLEXANDER MICHIE aged 24 W father Henry Michie Christian Chape North Adelaide ade 171/541
regards JEnn
regards Jenn
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WOW!
Thanks soooooooooooooooooo much for that.
I am hoping to find people interested in these families too, as I know where they originated from in Norfolk UK and I can help them.
It is a real shame that Maria Chapman, Rix, Burgess, Blight didn't have any family.........she came from my village and is related to me albeit distantly!
Thanks again.
:) :) :)
Teddy
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Hi Teddy
I'm direct descendent of Isaac Havers and Margaret Havers and their son Adam Havers. Some of this may have already been mentioned so forgive me if I'm rehashing.
Adam married Anna Clare B.1836 and had eleven sons and daughters that I know of that lived into adulthood
Mathew Havers 1856-1918
William Havers 1869 - 1935
Margaret Havers 1858-1910
Louisa E. Havers 1860-1865
Adam Havers Jnr 1861-1874
Anna Harriet Havers 1862-1863 (alternate is D.1958 although I did find a record for someone by the same name birth place and parents being born in the 1863-1864 period)
Elizabeth Ann Havers 1864-1958
Marion Jane Havers 1866-1946
Isaac Joh Haver 1872- 1936
Bridget Haver 1874-1956
Adam Havers Jnr 1876-1942
All were born and raised around Clare in South Australia.
Mathew and William where both teamsters and drivers (bullocks) early on as I've found records of them around matters that involved payments and that kind of thing the route they worked was the cattle route from Clare to two fold bay through the Eden-Monaro region of New South Wales. Mathew appears in the Court notices in Monaro for a matter involving using the team he was driving to transport goods without the owners knowledge, I believe he was fined 12 shilling and made to pay costs.
William (my great great grandfather) continued to drive cattle until Feb 1900 where he registered at Lismore for the New South Wales Imperial Bushmens Contingent . He was in training around Lismore and Sydney until June when the bushmen were embarked on the SS. Armenian at Wolloomalloo Sydney- with all the ensueing padgeantry. He served in plenty of battles while in South Africa but I think the three that where the most important was the capture of De La Rey's column and guns at wonderfontein, the battle of Elands River and the movements around Ottoshoop. He returned to Sydney around June 1901- plenty of pageantry again as well being mentioned in lists, for his service he was awarded Queen Victoria's South African Medal with clasps for Transvaal, Orange Free State, Cape Colony and Elands River.
I have him recorded as living in Sydney in 1904 on electoral roles where he also married his first wife Ada M. Callahan, they had a daughter by the name of Leucretha selvica Havers (otherwise spelt Lucretia in Newspaper reports as well as lucrece) Ada died in 1912 at their house in Trafalgar Sydney. He remarried fairly quickly to my great great grandmother Mary Ann, they continued to live in Sydney moving to paddington sometime between 1912-1915. He joined the AIF- B Squadron 12th Australian light horse regiment 28th Jan 1915 his regiment was sent to Egypt and encamped in the area of Mezze near the pyramids awaiting deployment to Gallipoli, however it was decided they would temporarily dissolved and incorporated into the light horse regiments already in Gallipoli as reinforcements. His company was assigned to the 7th light horse operating around the areas of chathams post, lone pine and Poppy Valley. the regimental war diary for the 7th LH shows that on the 29th of August 1915 B Company arrived at Gallipoli for deployment and was stationed in poppy valley, the companies first front line position was as part of a detachment to Lone Pine on the 30th of that month. He received a compound injury on the 28th or 29th of November to his leg (specifically his metatarsal) and was shipped back to the 1st Australian Field Hospital at Heliopolis in Cairo were his injury or infection necessitated the amputation of his leg to the knee. He spent time convalescing in helouan Cairo until his return to Australia and discharge on 10th Feb 1916.
He spent some time in limbo from 1916 until the RSL managed to help him gain employment in the NSW railways as an office clerk which he did until his retirement. In his Personell records held by the NAA there's some issues around his casualty status because the 7th LH didn't record him as being injured in the line of duty, and neither did the 12th LH but that seems to have been ironed out by his commanding officer.
He had one daughter by the Name of Dorothy Havers who married into the Law family of Two Fold Bay Eden, Alexander Law who's grandfather and father it was that built the cattle runs where William would drive the livestock to in his youth.
He died in 1935 on his front steps at 66 queen street woolhara Sydney.
I hope this information is of use to you, Dorothy Havers and Alexander Law are my great grandparents.
As for the other children of Adam Havers and Anna Clare and Isaac and Margaret, I haven't looked into them yet but the Trove newspaper archive has been an amazing help as well as the National Archives of Australia, the New South Wales State Library research service and the NSW Records website.
Nick