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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: Dai Thom on Friday 30 November 07 21:52 GMT (UK)
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Hi, new to this so will try not to get it wrong,
looking for info, on Noah Thomas born in Pendoylan in 1814? and was living in Wern Fawr, Welsh St. Donats in the 1881 Census.
any infomation on the family before or after Noah will be very helpfull.
;)
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HI Dai
Here they are 1851 Welsh Census HO107 2456 74 1
Living in Welsh St Donat
Noah Thomas age 32 Head Farmer of 100 Acres employing 1 Man & 1 Servant Boy
Mary Thomas age 36 Wife
Thomas Thomas age 3 son
Noah Thomas age 4mths
Barbara Thomas age 78 Mother Wid. Formerly Farmers Wife
Celia Hopkin age 15 Servant
Evan John age 17 Farm Servant
Regards
Pughy
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HI Dai
I have not found them yet in 1861 but here they are in 1871 RG10 5372 15 6
Still in Welsh St Donat
Noah Thomas age 56 Head Farmer of 109 Acres
Mary Thomas age 56 Wife
Thomas Thomas age 22 son
William Thomas age 19 Son
Jane Thomas age 18 Dau
David Thoms age 15 son
Thomas Griffiths age 68 Brother in Law Retired Farmer
Regards
Pughy
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HI Dai
I think this is them in 1891 RG12 4405 102 8
Mary Thomas age 76 Head Wid Farmer
Thomas Thomas age 40 Son
John Llewelyn age 43 Farm Servant
Gwen John age 16 Domestic Servant
I will see if I can find the rest tomorrow
Regards
Pughy
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Hi Dai Welcome to Rootschat, :) hope you don't mind me butting in Pughy
Bapt. Glam index. Noah Thomas s/o William Thomas (miller) & Barbara 23 Dec 1813 Llanilltern (also extracted record on IGI)
http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/places?GLA,ST090800,5,Llanilltern (1.5 miles from Pentrych, mother's pob in 1851)
Likely marriage of parents:
William Thomas of Llanilltern married Barbara Lewis of Pentrych on 8 Jan 1805 at Llanilltern (P*) personal details - original records held at Glam Records Office copies can be obtained for a fee.
Will see if i can find any early census info...
Cas
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Likely marriage, only two on page
Marriages Sep 1847
Griffiths Mary Cardiff 26 445
THOMAS Noah Cardiff 26 445
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1841 - HO107; Piece 1416; Book: 15
Civil Parish: Llan Sannor (Llansannor - Noah's pob in 1851)
Address; Wind Mill
http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/places?GLA,SS990770,5,Llansannor (2.4 miles from Welsh St Donats)
Ages rounded down to nearest 5, all born in county
William Thomas 75 farmer
Barbara Thomas 55
Noa Thomas 25 farmer
Cas
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This is a submitted record on the IGI, but Bapt. & marriage can be proved.
Noah Thomas
Christening: 23 DEC 1813 Llaniltern, , Glamorgan
Marriage: 1847 Of Wern-Fawr, Welsh St. Donats
Mary Griffith
Birth: 10 JUL 1814 Llanharry, Glamorgan (Mary gives Llanharry as pob throughout)
Marriage: 1847 Of Wern-Fawr, Welsh St. Donats
Death: 25 SEP 1899
There are also extracted christening records on IGI for children of Noah/Mary in Welsh St Donats. Cannot locate in 1861, (could be part of the census that's missing?) but they are there, as there is a child bapt in 1862.
THOMAS THOMAS Christening: 18 JUL 1848 Pendeulwyn, Glamorgan (Pendeulwyn/ Pendoylan)
WILLIAM THOMAS - Christening: 04 MAY 1851 Welsh St. Donats
JANE THOMAS - Christening: 21 FEB 1853 Welsh St. Donats
DAVID THOMAS - Christening: 19 AUG 1855 Welsh St. Donats
MARY THOMAS - Christening: 11 AUG 1862 Welsh St. Donats
Will check to see if I can find bapt for Mary (wife of Noah)
Cas
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This looks likely...
Mary Griffith d/o of Thomas (farmer) & Jane 10 July 1814 Llanharry
1841 - HO107; Piece 1416; Book: 19
Civil Parish: Pendoylen
Address: Ty Fru or Tru?
All born in county
Jane Griffith 65 farmer
Thomas Griffith 35 (this looks like brother in 1871)
William Griffith 35
Eustance Griffith 30
Jane Griffith 25
Mary Griffith 25
Evan Rasser 14 ag lab
Cas
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Likely marriage:
Thomas Griffith of Lanhary married Jane Rees of Llantrithyd 24 May 1800 at Llantrithyd (L) Licence
Here is the Licence ref held at NLW
GRIFFITHS, Thomas, bach, Llanharry, GLA. 1800, May 22. At Llantrithyd. Jane Rees. A B. 87/59.
Cas
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To Pughy & Cas
thanks for all the help, i did not know everybody was so helpful.
I can show this to my father (78yo) and see what he thinks of his Family
:D
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Hi Dai, I also have Thomas' in Glamorgan but not yours I don't think. Love your Springers pic. Any tips on how to control a 6mth old puppy! He's nuts!! Good luck with your search. I have put a link in to a message I posted a while ago about my Thomas' just in case you come across them while you are looking for yours. ::) ;D
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,228391.0.html
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Hi Liv,
Dont think it is same family but will keep an eye on it, as to Springer pup they do calm down from 2 years on but our two younger dogs are 2 now and they are still nuts at times.
Regards Dai
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hi Dai.are any of your Griffiths or thomas related to the watts of glamorgan?
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Hi Selena
if the watts Family are from the Bonvilstone area they could well be,
but we havenot found any links yet if we do will let you know
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yes my watts are from cowbridge and bonvilston area.we also have the evans in the tree.any chance u could give me some names and dates and i can try and make the link.merry christmas by the way ;D
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Hello Selena
bit short of facts on the Evans side but we do have Gwen Evans born 11/04/1901 at Castellau Fawr Farm, Llantrisant and her parents were Daniel Evans & Elizabeth Williams.
Gwen married Edgar Noah Thomas born 07/09/1900 at Fishweir Farm St. Mary Church
Merry Christmas to you
Dai :)
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Hi Selena,
After abit of looking, we have come across a Watts in our family, but it is on the opposite side of the family. An Edward Watts (1853-1932) married Mary Hopkin (1855-1882), and we believe they were from St-y-Nyll, St Brides. There is also James Hopkin (1885-1945) who married Evelyn Watts (1891-1987), believed to be from Barry.
Do these names come up in your family?
Yours Dai :)
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unsure Dai,i will need to look into it a bit more.my lot are farmers,the watts in warren mill,ty draw,wern fawr, llanmihangel to name a few.my griffiths are from caerphilly,pntyridd.your evelyn watts,what part of barry is she from? :D
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Hi Selena
is the Wern Fawr in Welsh St. Donats because our Thomas family were there 1881
we do not have any details of what part of Barry Evelyn is from. Most of our family are farmers
Dai
::)
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yes its the one in st donats.in 1881 mine was in cwm pendoylan.they were in wern fawr in 1891 and 1901.hope this helps :D
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Hi Selena
Just out of intrest have you found :- Thomas Watts, Butcher & Farmer, St. Nicholas
David Watts, Farmer, Dyffryn Bach
George Watts, Blacksmith, St Hilary
All found in Slaters Directory 1880
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yes,david watts was of duffryn bach and married to a charlotte.i have a few thomas watts
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My Great Grandfather and Great Grandmother were Daniel Evans and Elizabeth Williams they moved from Groeswen Nr Caerphilly and rented Castellau Fawr from the Treherne Family. My Grandfather (Daniel Emrys Evans) and father (Trevor Evans) often told stories of cows and chickens wandering in and out of the house through the windows (many of which were missing). Gwen Evans was my grandfather's sister (there were a lot of Gwens in our family). My Grandfather bought Castellau in the 1940s and restored it. He later sold it back to the Treharne Family and moved to Llanmaes with his family. My Grandfather (Emrys) married Gwladys Elizabeth Thomas who was born at Fishweir Farm in St Mary Church. Her brother, Edgar Noah Thomas married Emrys' sister Gwen (a few of the brothers and sisters on both sides got married!!). Farms in the Thomas family included Maes-y-Bryn and Dan-y-Bryn between St Mary Church and Llanmaes, Greenfields in Prisk nr Maindy and Fishweir (where most of the Thomas Family were born). My father has kept birth, deaths and marriage information on most of his members of family from either the South Wales Echo or attendance at funerals, weddings etc (handy but a little maudlin) and next time I visit Glamorgan I shall borrow these to get more information. I have done lots of research on the Evans, Thomas and Williams Familes but sadly my computer was flooded during the July 2007 floods and until my husband installs the hard drive on his new computer I cannot access the data yet and my memory is appalling. If you need any further information, as soon as I can get into the computer I can oblige if it helps.
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Hi Su ;)
Thanks for the message I can remember visiting your Grandfather & Grandmother at the Firs in Llanmaes when i was a small, and also they would come to Maes-y-bryn to see Edgar & Gwen and very often stay for tea. I know your father (*) , ask him about (*) he used to do elec. work when i was home on the farm with my dad David, but i know your uncle (*) & knew your late uncle John very well, my dad rents summer grazing from (*) at Sears Farm in St. Mary's Church. As you can see in this post any help on the Thomas or Evans family's would be a great help 8) 8)
Dai
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is there any connection to my thomas / evans/ watts/ griffiths / family? :-\
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Sorry for not getting back earlier. I'm not sure at this stage. As soon as my husband lets go of his precious computer (I'm on a laptop) I'll go into my records and compare them to your posts. I have to say the answer is probably yes because my father is always saying that we can trace our roots back to nearly every farm in south Wales. Let you know if I find anything and I'll interrogate my father too.
Good luck with your search.
Susan :)
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Sue, I am your cousin. (*) is my mothers brother.
(*) - your father (*) is first cousin to my mother (*) . As a child I spent a lot of time with my grandparents (*) at Penybryn and visited (*) at Maes yBryn many times. (*) is my godmother. I was brought up at Castellau Fawr, we moved from there to Ty'r Person Farm Church Village in the early 60s. I spent a good deal of my childhood at Penybryn and visited my grandparents brothers and sisters.
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Hi Ann
and wellcome to Rootschat, sorry I have not replied before but keep on forgeting. Your mum Enid ? (the same as mine), i did not Know her as well as Gwyn and John but it is nice to meet another family relative, when i was in Maendy Y F C my mum always told me that most of the farmers daughters were related to me so be sure who i took out
Dai :) :) ???
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Hi there,
I've just registered on this forum as I saw something appear in Google which related to my family!
My name is (*). My grandparents are (*) and (*), Saers Farm, St. Mary Church. I've just moved to Penarth. I'd be very interested in finding out a little bit more about my past. I know that my grandad used to live at Castella Fawr, and also lived in Llanmaes (I think!). They also lived at what is now Saers Court (this used to be the farmhouse).
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Hello Mark it's good to hear from you. (*) and (*) are my aunt and uncle (I'm (*) daughter). I don't know where to start. I have traced our ancestors as far back as 1662 (I think) but still have to verify some of it and it ground to a halt recently due to Christmas and planning a new kitchen! I have attached a copy of my findings (if you can read it). Most of the family came from Groeswen or Eglwysilan near Caerphilly or from Llantrithyd (there's lots of Christophers in the churchyard there who are related to us). Castellau Fawr was a lovely house (well it still is - it was for sale recently). (*) is also on this forum and is a cousin of ours who lives near St Mary Church. Most of the farms between Cardiff and Bridgend had or have relatives living on them at one time or another.
It's good to hear from you and I will keep you posted if I find anything interesting.....
Kind regards Susan :)
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That's fantastic. I can't believe you've managed to trace the family back that far!
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I see you are looking for Radcliffe family Llanharry.
My great grandmother was Mary Radcliffe born in the pub there.
Have other links with Radcliffes of Ystradowen, Trerhingyll and farms in the Vale
Malcolm
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Hello Malcolm :)
Welcome to Rootschat!
You will find that people are very helpful and a friendly bunch (well most of us!)
Kind Regards
Morgan
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Hello Malcolm (and Morgan)
I have been able to research lots of Radcliffes from all over the Vale. My family tree is on ancestry.co.uk. Since i joined Ancestry it keeps prompting me for details of other family trees who contain the same people or census and BMD records. Once I have a census record for 1 person it gives me everybody else who lives at the same address so suddenly have expanded my family from 200 to 571 members in under a month! I haven't found out anything interesting yet, mostly occupations and addresses but I'll keep trying. We all seem to be farmers or coal miners in my family. Virtually every farm in the Vale of Glamorgan has or has had somebody living there who is related to me!
Happy researching
Susan
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Hello :)
Re the Radcliffe Surname:
The easiest way to make surname connections with other members is to enter your surname interests
in the Surname Interests Table (SIT), and to check there whether others are researching these names.
This can be found at http://surname.rootschat.com/ , there is a link to it at the top of each Rootschat page.
(http://www.rootschat.com/forum/Themes/history/images/english/surnames.gif) (http://surname.rootschat.com/)
The more people who enter their surnames, the more chance there will be of making a connection!
Kind Regards
Morgan
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Hello Dai. I just came across your comment in Roots chat when i was researching my Great Great grandmother Mary (nee REES) who married David DAVIES in Welsh St Donats. Her marriage certificate of July 1850 stated that she resided at Wern Fawr before her marriage and that her father Thomas REES was a carpenter. I found out that Wern Fawr Welsh St Donats was a farm from Welldigger blog contact. Mary and her new husband David DAVIES of Pendoylan movedwithin Welsh St Donats to Ol y Maich (sic) and Caegnew Welsh St Donats. Children were baptised locally by Curate Thomas James Jones. I comment in case you have come across their names, but i doubt it as I found the family without David DAVIES in the 1871 Census Tlreyn (difficult to discern handwriting ) in Llantrisant. I just found it interesting that given Welsh St Donats' small population that i should come across yourself as another descendant of a family in Welsh St Donas.Regards Helen of Brisbane Queensland Australia since 1958 born Cardiff lived Caerwigau Uchaf Pendoylan 1953