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Help required to solve a problem.
George Shepherd married Jane Foulston in 1862
Two children surname Shepherd (Emma Jane 1864 & Mary Charlotte 1867) Born Southwell.
Three children Born Surname Sharp (George Thomas 1871- Fredrick foulston 1874 & Amy Elizabeth) Born Glanford B & Retford.
Sharlotte was in service in 1881c & named Sharp not Shepherd.
Did the father die & Mother remarried?
Help Please :-X
KenM
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Have you found Jane and the older girls on the 1871 ?
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No only on the 1881c as I do not have the full 1871c.
Kenm
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I've tried - looking for the 2 girls w/o surname specified, mother Jane - nothing jumping off the page in Notts overall.
Also no George Shepherd and variants with wife Jane ....
strange one !
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look under John sharp aged 44.1881c wife Jane
E Retford.
KenM
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this looks like them in 1871
Chapel Yard, Glanford Brigg RG10/3429 folio 20 pg 34
John Sharp head mar 34 gardener b. Notts, Holme
Jane wife 32 b. Lincs, Hibaldstow
Stephen son 15 b. Notts, Holme
Emma Jane dau 7 b. Holme
Christiana dau 6 b. Holme
Mary Charlotte dau 4 b. Holme
George Thomas 2 months b.Lincs, Brigg
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Here's the 1881 entry for the above family.
RG11/3303 F96 P10
Poplar Street, Ordsall
John Sharp 44, Ry Servant ?, b Holme
Jane 43, b Hibaldston Lincs
George 10, b Holme
Frederick J 8, b Holme
Amy E, 5 B Brigg Lincs
All are named Sharp ... Is this the correct family?
Sheila
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1861 Principal Street, North Muskham, Notts RG9/2474 folio 99 pg 13
Stephen Foulstone head mar 64 ag lab b. Notts, Laneham
John son 22 ag lab b. Lincs, Hibaldstow
Jane dau 22 housekeeper b. Hibaldstow
Sarah dau 18 b. Hibaldstow
Betsy dau 14 b. Hibaldstow
Stephen grandson 5 scholar b. Notts, Besthorp
birth registrations
Stephen Thomas Foulston june qtr 1856 Southwell vol 7b pg 263
Christiana Shepherd dec qtr 1864 Southwell vol 7b pg 269
George Thomas Shaw march qtr 1871 Glanford Brigg vol 7a pg 653
But can't see an obvious death for George Shepherd or a remarriage. Do you have any of the birth certificates for confirmation of previous names?
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I might have found a possible for George in the right area in 1861
Shed, North Muskham RG9/2474 folio 94 pg 4
George Sheppard 26 ag lab b. North Muskham
Do you have the marriage certificate to confirm occupation and as a guide to their ages?
possible death?
George Henry Sheppard june qtr 1864 Newark vol 7b pg 196
Any children born to a widow would be registered in her married name.
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Thanks to all of you I will take this to my Doncaster F H S on friday next to see if this is the answer. I am helping a new member to research his family.
Will let ypu know the outcome.
KenM :)
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Good stuff !
Wonder why Ancestry isnt picking up 'Holme' within the Southwell Regn District ?
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Wish I could identify a candidate for John Sharp in a census before 1871. It has crossed my mind that this is a case of change of name rather than remarriage.
Wonder whether the records of railway company John worked for on 1881 census might be of any use? It appears to say M S L or M & L?
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[I have looked at the map & Holme is on the river trent opposite North Muskham. Holme may be in the Newark area?
KenMquote author=The Newfster link=topic=271403.msg1555751#msg1555751 date=1196590441]
Good stuff !
Wonder why Ancestry isnt picking up 'Holme' within the Southwell Regn District ?
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Hi, it's my dad who goes to the Doncaster family history place, and is trying to solve this mysteryof John Sharp/ George Shepherd.
Some of my aunts and uncles were told that they should have had the surname of "Shepherd" but apart from the odd "old wives tale" as to why the name was changed, nothing has come to light yet.
Also it states Holme as his place of birth but it was more likely to be North Muskham, although there were lots of Sharps in Holme, including a large farm owned by them. George Shepherd would have probably known this and taken that surname so as not to raise suspicion if he did not want to be found??
There were lots of "Shepherds" around the North Muskham area at that time and we have now got back to the grandfather of George Shepherd, A William Shepherd born in 1768 in North Muskham. His son, Georges father, was called Thomas and was born 16th April 1800 in the same area. He married a Charlotte Ellis, and they had 8 children, George being the 4th child.
What we are now working on is that something happened between 1867 when George and Jane had had their 3rd child, Mary Charlotte Shepherd, and 1871, when they appear on the cencus in Brigg and as John and Jane Sharp. Subsequent children are named Sharp, including my great grandad, Frederick Foulston Sharp.
Does anyone have any Ideas as to where we go next?.....or indeed where we could look?
We have read through some of the old newspapers from newark library, up to october 1867, but we know this would be a mamouth job as we dont even know what we are looking for!!!!
Would just like to say a big thanks to those who have helped so far... :)
Any ideas?
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I will keep looking and let you or your father know if I find any more.
KenM ;D
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Well, that is a bit of a mystery. If you have birth certificates for at least one of the Shepherds and at least one of the Sharps to show that this is the same family, then why the change of name is another matter.
As there is a move involved as well, did George/John get into trouble?
Was there the possibility of a legacy which would only come to a Sharp? Have you looked for wills?
The newspapers and the County Record Office are probably your best bet, but if there's no intention to deceive, there's nothing to stop you changing your name.
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Hi Osprey,
We have the marrage cert for Jane Foulston and George Shepherd, and the death cert for John Sharp and Jane Sharp and awaite the birth cert for Mary Charlotte Shepherd. It's the same family alright, but why the name change?
According to other family it could be something to do with a gamekeeper and poachers, someone being shot etc, but we cannot find any evidence of this. George was a labourer when he lived in North Muskham, and his father Thomas was a gardener accourding to census, so where the gamekeeper stuff comes in I dont know.
And if a family member did something bad why did they not all change their surname?
Also notice his eldest son is called George Thomas. Although Thomas is not his first name, it's still there, so did George fall out with the rest of the family? I'm not sure.
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Could the poaching have been on a large local estate? There might be records of the estate, or there might have been a court case which would produce records and would have been reported in the local papers.
But, it might be one of those things that you will never know for sure.
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One other route we could go down is tracing one of the older girls relatives. We know that Christiana Shepherd married a Henry Harrison in Southwell in 1881, but I dont have acess to census to see if I could find where she lived or if she had children, and if they had children etc. I wondered if one of these might have been told the reason why.
Would be an idea to try and get her marrage cert because it would say who and what her father was/did. Seems funny that Christiana married as a Shepherd and Mary Charlotte changed her name to Sharp. I'm not sure about the elder girl, Emma Jane, as there does not seem to be alot of info about her......
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this looks like their marriage
Henry Harrison dec qtr 1881 East Retford vol 7b pg 29 with Christiana Shepherd on the same page
1891 Carol Gate, East Retford RG12/2640 folio 84 pg 9
Henry Harrison head mar 30 fish & game dealer b. East Retford
Christiana wife 26 shopwoman b. Muskham
Lilian dau 6
John H son 5
Horace son 3
Fanny dau 2
all children b. Retford
1901 62 Carol Gate RG13/3121 folio 36 pg 28
Henry Harrison head mar 40 fish & game dealer b. Retford
Christiana wife 36 b. North Muskham
Lilian dau 16
John Henry son 15
Horace son 13
Fanny dau 12
Walter son 9
Fred son 6
Hilda dau 1
all children b. Retford
Haven't spotted Christiana so far in 1881. I'll look again and for Emma. I don't know if you can infer anything from the names - no George, but there is a John
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Well, Stephen has reverted to Foulston
marriage
Stephen Thomas Foulstone dec qtr 1877 Sheffield vol 9c pg 734 with Sarah Ann Burley on the same page
1881 24 Littlemoor St, Doncaster RG11/4689 folio 95 pg 8
Stephen T Foulston head mar 25 railway signalman b. Notts, Besthorpe
Sarah A wife 25 b. Notts, Lound
Jane E dau 3 b. Notts, Thrupston (? - should be Thrumpton?)
Stephen T son 9 months b. Doncaster
birth reg
Jane Eliza Foulston june qtr 1878 E Retford vol 7b pg 12
forgot to say Ordsall where John & Jane are in 1881 would come under the East Retford registration district and is only a mile from Retford according to Genuki.
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1881 Mary C Sharp aged 15 is a domestic servant in the household of William Savage, Gravel Mount, Ordsall RG11/3303 folio 77 pg 28
1891 Poplar St, Ordsall RG12/2641 folio 94 pg 13
Richard Worthington head mar 28 bricklayer b. Boughton
Mary C wife 23 b. Retford
George son 4 months b. Retford
marriage
Richard Worthington june qtr 1890 East Retford vol 7b pg 1890 with Mary Charlotte Shephard on the same page
So, this one marries as a Shephard and calls her son George
??? ::)
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1891 Common Lane, West Retford RG12/2640 folio 117 pg 30
John Tomlinson head mar 38 painter b. Retford
Emma J wife 28 b. Muskham
Grace dau 7 scholar b. Newark
John G son 6 scholar b. Retford
Fanny dau 4 b. Retford
Kathleen dau 2 b. Retford
marriage reg
John Tomlinson sept qtr 1884 East Retford vol 7b pg 31 with Emma Jane Sheppard on the same page
birth reg
John George Tomlinson march qtr 1885 East Retford vol 7b pg 14
named for father and grandfather??
??? :D
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1901 round-up
29 South St, Ordsall RG13/3122 folio 89 pg 43
Richard Worthington head mar 39 bricklayer b. Boughton
Charlottte wife 36
William son 9
Jane dau 8
Richard son 6
Louisa dau 1
Harry son 4 months
all born Retford except where stated
57 Spittal Hill, North Retford RG13/3119 folio 14 pg 19
John Tomlinson head mar 44 house painter
Grace dau 17 general servant b. Newark
George son 15 iron moulder's apprentice
Fanny dau 14
Kathleen dau 12
Florrie dau 10
Emma dau 7
Leonard son 5
Dorothy dau 3
all born Retford except where stated
21 Littlemoor St, Doncaster RG13/4410 folio 147 pg 14
Stephen T Foulstone head mar 44 railway signal fitter b. Notts, Besthorpe
Sarah A wife 45 b. Notts, Lound
Jane E dau 22 dressmaker b. Notts, Retford
Stephen T son 20 blacksmith apprentice b. Doncaster
John E son 16 carriage builder apprentice b. Doncaster
Emma J Tomlinson sister mar 37 b. Notts, Muskham
Christina Tomlinson niece 3 months b. Notts, Retford
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This family is becoming an "Enigma" & will take some sorting out but will plod on regardless.
KenM
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WOW osprey well done!!!! :D
Just a note about Steven Foulston.
It appears he was born out of wedlock to Jane before she ever met George Shepherd when she was young, and we dont know his father but thats why he uses the surname foulston.In fact I dont think he ever changed it did he? She was born in Hiblestow, Lincs. My great grandad was Frederick Foulston Sharp so it was used as a middle name for him. It's definately the same family we just now need to keep going and see if those names you have found give us any new leads.
Perhaps we might not find out what it was, or maybe if we do we might wish we had left well alone!!!
A big THANKYOU again :D
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Stephen was Sharp in 1871. Emma Jane is enumerated as sister in 1901, and she seems to have taken young Christina visiting, so must have been close.
When I was looking up the family before, I seem to remember that I saw some Foulstone records on the IGI and they were extracted rather than submitted, so more reliable.
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Ok thanks.
Can you see any info on the 1901 census for the other three children whom were Sharps?
George Thomas, Frederick Foulston and Amy? :)
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can't identify George in 1891 or 1901. Could he have joined the army or similar?
1891 114 Marcus Street, Brightside Bierlow RG12/3828 folio 138 pg 30
Jane Sharp head mar 53 charwoman b. Lincs, Hibaldstow
Fred son 17 engine stoker (cutlery works) b. Lincs, Brigg
Amy dau 14 metal rubber b. Notts, Retford
1901 108 Marcus St, RG13/4373 folio 82 pg 33
Jane Sharp head widow 63 b. Hilbaldstow
Fred grandson 7 b. Sheffield
Frank Newton boarder 33 fitter's labourer b. Lancs, Denting
best match I can see for grandson's birth
George Frederick Sharp dec qtr 1893 Sheffield vol 9c pg 555
possibility for Fred?
Sheffield Road, Newbold & Dunston, Derbyshire RG13/3250 folio 73 pg 17
Fred Sharpe head mar 28 coal miner b. Newark, Notts
Josephine wife 32 b. Derbyshire, Brimington
Esther Neale mother-in-law widow 64 b. Brimington
Mary A D Neale sister-in-law 24 electric something(?) factory b. Brimington
marriage reg
Fred Sharpe march qtr 1898 Chesterfield vol 7b pg 884 with Josephine Neale on the same page
2/3 Denholme St, Brightside Bierlow RG13/4373 folio 52 pg 19
Frederick Booth head mar 27 general labourer b. Sheffield
Amy E wife 25 b. Notts, Retford
Amelia dau 3 b. Sheffield
marriage
Frederick Booth dec qtr 1896 Sheffield vol 9c pg 796 with Amy Elizabeth Sharp on the same page
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Hi again,
I think that george went to live in newcastle somewhere I'm not sure and Frederick married Elizabeth Amelia Chester (first husbands name) nee Dugher (maiden name)
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Scrap that bit about George Thomas living in newcastle it was my fathers uncle George (frederick) that did (Frederick Foulston Sharps eldest son)
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How did I not spot that marriage? :-[ :-[
Elizabeth Amelia Chester dec qtr 1897 Doncaster vol 9c pg 1325 with Frederick Foulston Sharpe on the same page
1901 11 Ellins Yard, Doncaster (next to Plant Inn) RG13/4410 folio 60 pg 30
Frederick Sharpe head mar 26 railway shunter b. Lincs, Brigg
Elizabeth wife 23 b. Lincs, Stamford
Mary dau 6 b. Doncaster
George son 2 b. Doncaster
Alfred son 1 b. Doncaster
Another son called George! ::)
Elizabeth Amelia Dugher march qtr 1890 Doncaster vol 9c pg 763 with Arthur Chester on the same page
Death reg
Arthur Chester 35 dec qtr 1896 Doncaster vol 9c pg 458
1891 45 St Swithin's Tce, Doncaster RG12/3862 folio 85 pg 25
Arthur Chester head mar 30 moulder b. Yorks, Auckley
Elizabeth wife 25 b. Stainford
Henry Hughes boarder 20 labourer b. Yorks, Hatfield
Interesting ages for Elizabeth - wonder what she'll be when the 1911 comes out? In her teens?
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Well I did wonder ::) ;D
Yes I'm sure in the 1911 census she'll be 18!!! :D
Anyway, I got it wrong again, it was My dad's uncle Alfred that went to Newcastle to live. I'll get there in the end!!! ::)
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Hi again! Happy new year to all!!!
Just wanted to firstly update you on a few things. I put the information you found me about the elder Shepherd girls into my genes site and as a result of the I am in contact with the great grandson of Christiana, and the great grandson of Emma Jame!!! Thats a brill result and I just wanted to say thanks again!!
Also, I wondered if you could have a look for any information on the various census for any of George Shepherd's brothers and sisters, and who they married etc, so I can add that too. You never know!! (no one else is aware of any reason to change surname)
Here are the names we have so far:-
Father of George Shepherd was Thomas Shepherd b c1800 maried Charlotte Ellis b 1802 d 1867
His father was William Shepherd b c 1768 married Elizabeth Brown b c1780
George Shepherds siblings were:-
Elizabeth b 1831
William b 1833
James 1834
*George b 1836*
Christopher b 1839
Emma b 1841
Frederick b 1845
Harriott b 1848
It would be great if I could add who they had married and subsequent children etc, as I have with Georges children. Perhaps If any of their desendents are around they might know why he changed his name.
Thanks in anticipation
Diane x :)
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edited to remove big blank space ::)
I'll give you what I can at the moment, but I might not have time to do them all.
1851 North Muskham Ho107/2135 folio 416 pg 25
Thomas Shepperd head mar 50 gardener
Charlotte wife 44 b. Norwell
George son 15
Chris son 12
Emma dau 10
Frederick son 6
Harriott dau 3
all born North Muskham except where stated
Elizabeth age 21 b. Norwell is a servant in Brant Broughton , Lincs HO107/2136 folio 274 pg 13
William 18 is a servant to the Rector of Southwell, John Murray Wilkins HO107/2134 folio 302 pg 11
James 16 is an apprentice harness maker in Foston Lincs HO107/2138 folio 122 pg 8
1861 Thomas, Charlotte, Frederick and Harriet are still in North Muskham and there is also a 2 year old grandson Frank Sheppard b. Nottingham RG9/2474 folio 101 pg 17
Fletcher's Yard, North Muskham RG9/2474 folio 100 pg 15
William Shepherd head mar 30 ag lab
Ann wife 28 b. Lincs, Hougham
Emma dau 7
Arthur son 4
Eliza dau 1
James Hayse lodger 41 gardener b. Whatton in the Vale
all born North Muskham except where stated
possible for Elizabeth as a dressmaker in Nottingham RG9/5465 folio 84 pg 18
James is a saddler boarding at 4 White Horse St, St George's Hanover Square, Middx
RG9/45 folio 12 pg 24
possible marriage for Emma to Edward Lawley dec qtr 1859 Nottingham vol 7b pg 410 - I've matched the other couple on the page - but, I can't spot them in the census. No sign of Chris either.
1871 North Muskham RG10/3537 folio 32 pg 5
Thomas Shepherd widower 70
Elizabeth dau 39
Frank grandson 12
death reg
Charlotte Shepherd 60 june qtr 1867 Southwell vol 7b pg 168
19 Market Place, Newark RG10/3542 folio 46 pg 2
James Sheppard head mar 37 saddler & harness maker master employing 2 men . Nth Muskham
Ann wife 37 b. Newark
Lydia dau 5 b. Nottingham
Thomas son 3 b. Newark
North Muskham RG10/3537 folio 37 pg 16
William Sheppard head mar 40 carpenter
Ann wife 38 b. Lincs, Hougham
Emma dau 17 dressmaker
Alice dau 7
Ellen dau 3
Rose dau 1
William garland 17 carpenter's apprentice b. Lincs, Fulbeck
all born North Muskham except where stated
Mulberry Place, Liverpool RG10/3783 folio 84 pg 55
Frederick Shepherd 26 unm saddler b. Notts, North Muskham
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what happened there - I've got great big gaps ???
1881
Thomas has just died
Thomas Shepherd 81 march qtr 1881 Southwell vol 7b pg 248
Frederick Sheppard is unmarried, a saddler in Newark RG11/3376 folio 70 pg 36
James is in Nottingham, same wife, same children RG11/3353 folio 99 ph 55
Elizabeth has married and is in North Muskham with husband Samuel Waterson, RG11/5372 folio 25 pg 15 - no children
Elizabeth Shepherd dec qtr 1873 Southwell vol 7b pg 683 with Samuel Waterson on the same page
Frank Sheppard is a footman in Whitchurch, Shropshire RG11/2670 folio 30 pg 3
William Shepherd is now a butler in Highclere, Hants probably the family in Highclere Castle - they aren't home, but lots of servants are. He is married to Ann, but possibly not the same one as this one is from Leicestershire, not Lincs.
Ah- just spotted Harriet possibly
1871 14 Chapel yard, Glanford Brigg, Lincs RG10/3429 folio 20 pg 34
Henry Taylor head mar 40 ag lab
Harriette wife 28
William son 9 months
all born North Muskham
Number 18 is the home of John Sharp ;D
can't spot a marriage, but it seems too much of a coincidence. Her age reverts to what is should be in 1881 & 1891, and there are more children including a daughter Charlotte 1891 RG12/2626 folio 28 pg 21
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Well Thats great thatnk you very much. Seems as though the pieces are coming together nicely!!!
If there is any more please let me know. But from what I can see it looks very much like a fall out with the father Thomas to me. For both George and Harriott to be living as close together as they were, and both have altered things about themselves, George his name to John Sharp and Harriott her age. I have seen the marrage certificate for Christiana Shepherd, Georges middle daughter, and she married in 1881, naming her father as John Sharp. The eldest girl married in 1884 (after Thomas had died) and she named him as George Shepherd. Aslo, as yiou point out Harriott reverts to her correct age in 1881 and 1891 (after fathers death!!!) coincidence or not????
Perhaps Thomas did not approve of his daughters partner being alot older than her? Or perhaps he himself did something that made the two of them fall out with him.
Thankyou again
Diane x
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Actually, have been looking for the birth dates of George Thomas Sharp, Frederick Foulston Sharp and Amy Elizabeth Sharp on the free BMD index and I have found Amy and George but can I heck as find Frederick Foulston. Amy was born in East Retford, probably Ordsall, and George is in Glandford Brigg....but where and when was F F born?
Can you shed any light on this anyone???
Thanks
Diane x
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Frederic Foulston Sharp june qtr 1874 Glanford Brigg vol 7b pg 683
still not found any trace of Christopher or Emma Sheppard
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Just rechecked William as I thought the change to butler in 1881 was a bit strange, and realised I gave you wrong one. Think I was thrown by the wife being Ann :-[
Also left out 11 year old Eliza from William's family in 1871 :-[ :-[
1881 Crab lane, North Muskham RG11/3372 folio 19 pg 4
William Sheppard head mar 49 carpenter
Mary A wife 34
Selina R dau 11
Ada dau 4
Mary Lydia dau 1
John Cawthorn father-in-law widower 77 formerly cottager b. Balderton
all born North Muskham except where stated
2nd marriage
William Sheppard march qtr 1877 Nottingham vol 7b pg 289 with Mary Ann Cawthorn on same page
William Sheppard isn't transcribed on FreeBmd, but is on full index on Ancestry
Rose from 1871 is now Selina R
1891 North Muskham RG12/2710 folio 22 pg 12
William Shepherd head mar 58 cottager & joiner
Mary A wife 44
Ada dau 14 dressmaker apprentice
Mary L dau 11
Kate C dau 8
all born North Muskham
1901 North Muskham RG13/3194 folio 126 pg 16
Mary Ann Sheppard head widow 53 cottager
John William Smalley son in law mar 35 railway plate layer b. Lincs, Welton
Ada Smalley dau mar 24
Kate C Sheppard dau 18
Thomas Fryer boarder unm 18 railway plate layer b. Notts, Flintham
Sydney G Smalley grandson 3
all born North Muskham except where stated
John William Smalley march qtr 1895 Southwell vol 7b pg 473 with Ada Sheppard on the same page
Kate Cawthorn Sheppard june qtr 1901 Southwell vol 7b pg 927 to either Bruce Birkett or Charles William Chapman
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Thats great thanks alot osprey!!!
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Some more of William's daughters
1891 69 North gate, Newark RG12/2714 folio 88 pg 36
Job Long head mar 23 brewer's labourer b. Notts, Bathley(?)
Rose wife 21 b. North Muskham
James son 2 b. Newark
Joseph H son 1 month(?)
+ 4 lodgers
Selina Rose Sheppard dec qtr 1888 Southwell vol 7b pg 605 with Job Long on the same page
1901 124 St Leonard's Tce, Newark RG13/3198 folio 96 pg 37
James L Nickson head mar 26 railway shunter b. Hunts, Sawtry
Mary Lydia wife 21 b. North Muskham
Dorothy G dau 2 months b. Newark
Violet Cope niece 8 b. Collingham
Mary Lydia Sheppard march qtr 1899 Southwell vol 7b pg 493 with James Ladlum Nickerson on the same page
1881 Alice is a Salvation Army Officer in Westoe, Durham RG11/5015 folio 88 pg 17 and Ellen is a servant in Notts RG11/3371 folio 126 pg 8
1881 Trent Lane, North Muskham RG11/3372 folio 23 pg 11
John Watson head mar 32 ag lab b. Holme
Emma wife 27
Arthur son 5
Edith dau 2
Minnie dau 11 months
all born North Muskham except where stated
Emma Sheppard dec qtr 1874 Southwell vol 7b pg 652 with John Watson on the same page
1881 North Muskham RG11/3372 folio 24 pg 13
Levi Marshall head mar 24 maltster & ag lab
Eliza wife 21 dressmaker
not named dau 10 days
all born North Muskham
Eliza Jane Sheppard june qtr 1880 Southwell vol 7b pg 505 with Levi marshall on the same page
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Do you know the maiden name of William Shepherds first wife? All I have is Ann at the moment...... ;)
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You need to get a birth certificate to be sure of her maiden name. There are a few possible William Sheppard/Ann marriages. The most likely is
William Sheppard dec qtr 1851 Newark vol 15 pg 113 with Anne Jackson and Ann Blackbourn on the same page.
Newark covers Hougham in Lincs and on the 1851 I can see an Ann Blackburn aged 17 who might be the one, but I can't be sure.
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Ok no worries Thanks SO much for your help anyway... ;D
Diane x
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Can you see an entry on the 1871 census for Emma Shepherd?? Is she living in the same street as "John Sharpe" in Glanford Brigg??
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Hi,
Looks like she is living next door.
Regards
Joburg
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But she gives her place of birth as Faldingworth, Lincolnshire and there is an Emma Shephard with parents in Faldingworth in 1841 and 1851(HO107/2106 folio 55 pg 14) and your Emma is with her parents in North Muskham, Notts. So would appear to be a different Emma.
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Hi thanks. Yes I spotted that she had a different place of birth. Must be a different one.
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Hi can anyone see any info on William Shepherd born c1768 north muskham, who married an Elizabeth Brown born c1780 north muskham? Their son was Thomas Shepherd born 1800 north muskham. He married a Charlotte Ellis born c1802 nottingham. Thomas was Georges dad. What Im after is any siblings of Thomas Shepherd and his father William Shepherd.
Diane x
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Also, with regard to Christopher Shepherd, could Shepherd have been spelt another way? Or is there a death record for him?
Help!!!
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I did look for a death reg for Christopher, but without success. I searched on Shep*d, so should have caught any variations. Nothing showing up in Nottinghamshire and, as there are no ages given on the index until late 1860s, finding registrations in other counties is guesswork.
Could he have emigrated?
Had a look on the IGI for any Shepherd entries in North Muskham - nothing that seems to match your family in the extracted records. I did find the baptism for Elizabeth dau of Thomas & Charlotte Sheppard 25/12/1829 in Norwell.
Also in Norwell, possibles for Charlotte
Charlotte Knight dau of William & Catherine bp 3/6/1807
Charlotte Shaw dau of Francis & Mary bp 26/5/1805
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Thanks Osprey, you've been a big help in this...... ;)
Of course there is a possibility he died in prison, or he changed his name.......how would we find out if he had died in prison? York gaol would be the favourate??
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there would be still need to be a death registration - have a look here, there's more than one in York
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
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Hi yes I have narrowed it down to 3 Christpher Shepherds in york,1847, 1852, and 1859 but without actually getting the certificates Its only a guess. Would it actually say he had died in york jail on the death cert? Or would it just have the district of york down?
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Sorry, never had a death cert where the person died in prison, but I would think it would say in the gaol or at least have the street address.
I can rule out the 1847 one for you as he's on the 1851 census.
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Hi osprey, those 3 dates were the deaths I found.... ::) ;D
Where do you loose the trail of Christopher? What is the last cencus he's on??
Diane x
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He's with his parents in North Muskham in 1851 - reply number 34. Have you looked through the full GRO death index to see if there's a more likely death registration for him in Nottighamshire?
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Have found out that the William Sheppard who's children you found was actually the son of another family and not the Shepherd family I was looking for. Theres a lady on the genes site who has the parents of that William Sheppard and they are Thomas and Margeret, not Thomas and Charlotte, so there must have been quite a few Sheppards about in North Muskham at that time!!! How confusing!! :P
Anyway, if you find anymore info on any of the census for any of Georges brothers and sisters let me know. I would be most grateful.
Thanks
Diane x
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Hi am trying to find the children of Jane Foulston's eldest son, who was born before she married George Shepherd...Stephen Foulston b1856 in Bestthorpe. He married Sarah Burley b 1856 in Lound. They had 3 children. Jane Foulston b 1879 retford, Stephen Foulston b 1882 Doncaster and John Foulston b 1885 Doncaster. Are any of these on any cencus records?
Thanks, Diane
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Hi, they are on the 1891c living in Littlemoor St Doncaster.
Stephen (H) 35..Sarah (W) 35,,,Jane Elisa (D) 12...Stephen Thomas (S) 10.. John Edward (s) 6.
Ps I live in Doncaster.
KenM
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Stephen & family in 1881 are on reply number 20 of this thread, and 1901 is on reply number 23 same address as 1891 and Emma Tomlinson and baby are visiting.
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Hi Ken, yes i know you live in doncaster.......... ;) ;D
Thanks for the info.....and thanks Osprey, I thought I had re-read all the posts!!! DOH!
Diane
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I am trying to find out who the children married. I have found Jane Eliza Foulston on BMD and the other two names are Frederick William Hooper and John Henry Taylor. The ref is doncaster 9c 1376. Is there any way I can find out which guy she married?
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Also.....John Edward Fouston, married in 1907, ref doncaster 9c 996, and again two females......AAARRRRhhhhhhhhh!!! ;D
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There will be 2 females and 2 males on most pages. As there is no census after the marriage to check for wife's first name, look for births registered in that district after 1911 when mother's maiden name is given on the index. There are 2 Foulston births in Doncaster with mother's maiden name Walster, so that confirms that John Edward married Margaret Walster.
There's a Taylor birth in Barnsley in 1911 with mother's maiden name Foulstone, so that could be Jane's marriage.
1911 census will confirm, hopefully....