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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kinross-shire => Topic started by: SASHAR on Wednesday 05 December 07 11:00 GMT (UK)
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Hoping that I can get some help with searching for the family of Adam REID b.c. 1825, place unknown, but possibly in the Kinross area.
Adam was in Sth Australia by Sept, 1854 when he married. His occupation is listed as Shoemaker, Shepherd.
Adam married a Mary Kenneally/Kinneally/Kennedy and their children were named Helena, Mary Jane, Michael, Catherine Agnes, Adam Tennant, Annie & Sarah Ann. I'm not sure if the Scottish hand down names throughout the family but thought it might help if I add them.
The daughters Catherine and Helena both named children with the middle name of LOVELL, so I'm presuming that this name is connected back through the family.
It's also possible that the name TENNANT is. Another surname that is used as a Christian name is RITCHIE. None of these Surnames seem to connect to the family once they were in Australia so they must be from earlier generations
I know that isn't very much information but I'm hoping the surnames may all connect somehow.
I really don't know much about Mary Kenneally's family and I suppose it is possible that all these Surnames connect with that side.
I'm hoping that someone may know where to look or advise me if there is any possibility of researching further back.
Many thanks, Sashar
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Hello Sashar
The only baptism around then that I can see in Kinross is
24 July 1825. Portmoak, Kinross. Parents are David Reid and Mary Barclay.
I see that they are on the 1841 census living in Vane, Portmoak (see Freecen) I'll see if he is still there in 1861* as a test.
Gadget :)
* he's still there in 1861 so he's not yours - back to drawing board :-\
There's one in Ross and Cromarty - could the info have become confused? Kinross and R & C are a fair distance apart :-\
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Hi Gadget,
Thankyou for your prompt help. I'm not exactly sure of Adam Reid's place of birth but in trying to match to some Sth Australian records there was an Adam Reid who came from Kinross.
It's quite possible I'm way off the mark as you suggested.
I appreciate that at least 1 Adam Reid is now eliminated - thankyou.
I would be grateful if you could check the other 2 out, even if to eliminate them as well.
Regards, Sashar
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The other possibles are:
22 Nov 1829, Cromarty, Ross & Crmarty. Parents - Alexander Reid and Elizabeth Urquhart ( I'm putting this in because it sounds similar not for location! )
7 July 1831, Kilrenny, Fife (more plausible). Parents - Henry Reid and Janet Bennet
Strangely, no Reads came up despite me searching on Re*d ???
Gadget
PS - Have you checked up on his wife's line - any first names and surnames would be useful
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Sashar :)
The Ross and Cromarty one is not appearing in the 1861. He could have died rather than emigrated though :-\
Also, the records might be missing or the family could have been Roman Catholic or other non-conformist. No baptism records would show in this case.
Have you looked for any ships lists or a death certificate which might give more information?
Regards
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
Unfortunately when Adam & Mary married their father's names were not recorded. The spelling of Mary's surname on records in Aust. is anything from Kennedy, Kinneally, Kenneally, Kenneely, Kanely, etc
Adam & Mary's daughter Catherine is my ancestor and she married a Thomas Stuart SMTIH in Sth Australia. Her children's names were Sarah Ann, William Henry James Reid, Mary Lovell, Maud Cecily, Catherine May, Thomas Terrence, Peter James, Terence Reid, Vera Lenor & Cicely Lenor.
I know that the names Cecily, Thomas, Terence & Peter all come from the Smith side of the family. Sarah Ann, William Henry James Reid, Mary Lovell, Catherine May, are possibilities from the REID or KINNEALLY side.
I'll double check but I don't think SA death records give the father's names either.
Not much help is it!
Did Alex & Elizabeth, Henry & Janet reapper in the 1861 Census with an Adam?
Ah! - I see you've answered this already. Does the whole family disappear or just Adam? I'll check SA records for those parents if they all have vanished.
Regards, Sashar
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Hi Gadget,
I've checked Adam's death record and he died at 73yrs of age in 1898, so he should have been born c.1825. There were no relatives mentioned and the informant was the local Police Constable. He died at his residence.
I apologise that the birth date is now 4yrs earlier than I originally thought.
I've also checked one of the BISA cd's but I couldn't see anything that fits from your previous finds.
It's always possible that Adam could have lived in another State of Australia before coming to Sth Australia. I will have to check that out as well.
The SMITH side of the family were Catholic, so it's quite possible that is going to be another stumbling block.
Really appreciate your time in helping me, many thanks, Sashar
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Hello Sashar,
Just a couple of quick questions.
Are you quite sure that Adam REID came from Scotland? And if so, how :)
What information do you have about the Adam REID in SA who came from Kinross? This might just help to discount him - or not, as the case may be ...
Regards,
JAP
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Hi JAP,
Thanks for your questions.
I'm not sure where my Adam REID originally came from, I haven't found anything in Sth Aust. records so far to give me his origin.
The only Adam Reid that I could find in the correct time frame was the 1st one that Gadget also found, at Kinross, but Gadget has quickly discounted him.
I was hoping if it was my Adam, the other surnames may have tied in. I have found those surnames in old Scottish records so thought there may be a chance. I'm presuming the Kinneally/Kenneally name was probably Irish and haven't as yet checked to see if my other surnames of interest were popular Irish surnames.
Don't know that I have anywhere else I can go from here - regards, Sashar
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Hello again Sashar,
I asked the questions because I was a bit concerned that you might be limiting your options by concentrating on Scotland ...
Though I live in South Australia, unfortunately I know nothing at all about South Australian records ...
I presume you've asked on the Aus Emigrants board? Sometimes another pair of eyes helps ...
Best of luck,
JAP
PS: I notice that FreeCEN has an Adam REID in the 1841 census in a House of Refuge for Boys in Barony, Lanarkshire - age 15, a Nailer, b Lanarkshire. Right sort of age ... Perhaps someone with census access could check out whether this Adam appears in later censuses ...
PPS: Sort of interesting that the House of Refuge had Teachers of three trades:
Weaving
Nailmaking
Shoemaking
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Hi JAP,
Thankyou for your help and suggestions and especially for finding another Adam Reid that may fit. Let's hope he was putting nails in shoe's. That would fit his occupation listed in SA.
I hadn't put anything on Aus Emigrants board, as you said, may be worth a try especially if Adam has come through another state to get to SA.
Should I post on Lanarkshire for help and finish this posting here?
Regards, Sashar
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If I were you I'd hold fire for a while. Gadget might see these replies and kindly check later censuses ...
I guess Census Lookups for Adam the Nailer would/could be very general - most folks seem to be doing lookups on sites which cover England, Wales and Scotland ... And even people on the Aus Emigrants board might have a look (sorry, I don't relevant subscriptions).
Best of luck,
JAP
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Hi
Not sure if this will help or not:
The 1861 has 6 Adam Reids listed b. roughly the correct time.
Glasgow, Govan - aged 46, Insurance Agent ,b. Glasgow
Galston, Ayrshire - aged 35, Cotton Weaver, b. Ayr
Fossoway, Kinross - aged 34, labourer, b. Portmoak
Glasgow, Barony - aged 38, joiner, b. Mullion, Perthshire
Dundee - aged 33, weaver, b. Ireland
Bothwell - aged 41, joiner, b. Edinburgh
on 1851 but not identified 1861
Tradeston, Glasgow - aged 21, hammerman, b. Glasgow
Glasgow, St John - aged 22, weaver, b. Newton, Ayr
At least the 1861 ones can definitely be discounted.
Gadget
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On to second cup of coffee :)
I've been trying to see if there are any clues but I can't see anything definite at all.
What we know
1. Definitely in Australia in 1854 - a shoemaker/shepherd(b.c. 1825)
2. Married 1854 to Mary Kennedy (and variations). Children - only Catherine mentioned so no firm evidence to check up using naming convention.
3. Died 1898, aged 73 - informant a police constable (so only an approx age)
The Ross and Cromarty one is on the 1841. Father Alexander is a merchant in Cromarty. I don't see him after that - will check up on the family.
I don't see the Fife one 1841-1861.
I have looked at the Australian immigrant/convicts lists that i have access to but can't see anyone that leaps out at me :-\
Gadget
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There is nothing showing for the Cromarty, Ross-shire family after 1841 that I can see. No wills/inventories showing 1841-1851 for father Alexander. As a merchant I would have thought that there might be.
Gadget
Added - wonder if anyone has the MIs?
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Gadget,
Fantastic information and summary.
But, as you say - no real clues at all. What a pest!
Sashar,
If it's any comfort - cold comfort I know! - I have some similar brickwalls. Especially a Gggpa who turns up marrying in Australia in 1852 - obviously, like Adam and so many others of my forebears, having swum to Aus - but this chap of mine is even worse as he apparently never died ...
Regards,
JAP
PS: Gadget - 95 posts :o
Well, that's what it says - and who could argue with RootsChat ...
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I also have mysteries and these didn't even move from Wales but they just appeared. My most annoying one is a Robert Roberts b.c. 1821. Father supposedly a John :(
As an aside JAP - Gadget without the dot has 11111 posts and I quite like it (OK nutty, I know) so Gadget with a dot has taken over :)
It's the same me. The aristocratic one might come back again one of these days ;D
Gadget :)
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Gadget,
Ah :D
I have to say that I was a tad surprised that you'd answered - I'd thought you were enjoying staying on the incredibly delightful 11111! Surely there is some hidden numerological meaning! Regardless, it's such a wonderful number it would be a shame to change it ...
I should have twigged that dotty Gadget (sorry - but you know what I mean) was not the same as non-dotty Gadget ::) I'm usually very much awake to the relentless nature of computers :-[ and I even have a vague recollection of indications that you did post under more than one posting name.
Ah well ...
If anyone can find my James Christie ROBINSON - b somewhere (Glasgow or Exeter are offered on children's birth certs) ca 1835 +/- whatever, married 1852 in Melbourne, didn't die - I will be forever in your debt.
Regards to all :)
JAP
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Added!
Oh what a twit I am? :o
How did I not twig at:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,265060.0.html
Hmmmmm >:(
Ah well, life goes on ...
JAP
PS: No, I won't be posting as JAP. (i.e. dotty JAP - though some might think this appropriate) or as any other posting name ... :D
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:) :) :)
I don't think I've ever reached the limit, JAP, but you have done some pretty good summaries on here :)
Gadget (dot)
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Hi Sashar
I am also looking for Adam Reid who married Mary in Adelaide in 1854. My connection is through their son Michael who married Sarah Russell. When I came across this old message I thought I would make contact. Like you I have not yet had any luck finding Adam or Mary arrival in SA or have you?????? I would love to hear from you. For now.
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Sashar
I have received a message telling me you have responded to my message unfortunately it will not let me view your reply. The message states
"An Error Has Occurred!
You are not allowed to send personal messages, or your personal message limit has been reached. "
I have not used this forum before. Didn't want you to think I was not interested. Brellie
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Hi Brellie :)
You should be able to reply now. There were restriction put on new members being able to send Personal Messages (PMs) until they had posted 2 or 3 mesages on the public boards. This was to avoid problems with spammers.
You should be able to send Sasher a messge now :)
Best regards and welcome to Rootschat :)
Gadget
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Thanks for sorting that Gadget, we've made contact now - Regards, Sashar