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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Inverness => Topic started by: Spacot on Saturday 15 December 07 16:02 GMT (UK)
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Hi Every one
I am looking for help/advice perhaps even a lookup?
I have been researching my Paternal Grandmothers family tree, Her father was Lachlan McBain from Alvie, her mother Annie Georgina McGregor from Kingussie.
Lachlan's parents were John McBain from Delfour Alvie and Catherine Smith from Glen Urquhart
John's parents were William McBean from Delfour Alvie and Janet McBean from Alvie
My problem the Parents of William McBean are Finlay McBean a weaver and Mary McDonald in Pitchurn
they have 3 children between 1795 and 1805, in 1810 Finlay McBean weaver in Pitchurn and Spouse Catherine McBean have a daughter Ann. from 1817 to 1825 Finlay McBean Weaver in Pitchurn and Spouse Margaret Fraser have another 5 Children, in the 1841 Census Finlay weaver, Margaret and Son Angus are still in Pitchurn.
Problem are they the same Finlay can find no trace of Births Marriages or deaths of even 1 Finlay of approx right age. Can anyone out there help solve my brick wall, can get no farther back , any family of Finlay out there who know answer, or are their any answers in the graveyard at Alvie?
Spacot
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Hi Spacot
I have the Alvie MIs in my Speyside book. A quick glance shows some of your people I think.
I will go and get my head round which are which and post back a little later.
I am also descended from McBeans from Alvie. Will post you the details with the info from the MIs.
cheers
Ellen.
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Now you've got me started on my McBeans again - haven't looked at them for a wee while. I remember why - they do my head in! There are just so many of them in and around Alvie and trying to sort out the different lines is a nightmare as I'm sure you have also found.
Anyway, the good news is that I think I can add some info for your melting pot!
Alvie churchyard is not very big, 35 stones recorded in Alison Mitchell's Speyside MIs book.
Lots of McBeans (and of course all the different variations of spelling which I'm sure you've also come across already).
The first and most important one for you is stone no 24:
Inscription is "1860. Finlay McBain at Pitchirn 10.1815, w Mary McDonald d Pitchirn 10.1809"
I'm taking this to be that the stone was erected in 1860 to the memory of Finlay who died in October 1815 and wife Mary who died in October 1809.
This would fit with your Finlay and Mary, and would account for the lack of children for the couple after 1805.
Perhaps Finlay remarried to Catherine Fraser after Mary died and they had Ann in 1810 before Finlay died himself in 1815?
Would then appear that the next family between Finlay McBean and Margaret Fraser are a different couple?
Here are the other McBean (and variations) references. I will try to put them in order of potential relevance to your people as I see it:
"Wm McBain d Dellifour 7.3.1856, 66, w Janet Kennedy 17.4.1866, 80"
"Dond McBain 11.11.1806, 80, w Janet McBain 21.4.1790, 57, s Dond in Pitichirn 1841, 53, s John, Dellfour ed"
"Alex McBean, w Margt Stuart 21.8.1816, 32, s Alex inf, 3 s John squarewright Nethy Bridge ed"
"Lachlan McBain tailor Meadowside 29.6.1857, 77, w Margt McBain 25.5.1869, 78, s Jas 22y, da Jessie 56y, da Margt 66y, da Eliz 25.4.1899 81, da Isabella 2.10.1899 79, s John d Teeswater Canada 28.7.1905 88, s Farquhar ed. d Kincraig Farm 3.9.1913 80"
"Lachlan Mackintosh of Dunachton 12.10.1882 95, w Mary MacBean 1.6.53 63"
"Dond Robertson fr Dunachton 6.1.1828 72, w Christina McBean 16.12.1812 40, Duncan Robertson, Druminshink, w Margt McLeod 26.1.1846 50"
Hope some of these help. If you are not familiar with the abbreviations in these MI books, let me know and I'll explain - don't want to teach my granny to suck eggs!
I'll post my McBean line seperately so as not to confuse the issue.
All the best.
Ellen.
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Hi, I too am searching for McBean info from the Parish of Alvie back in 1790s Donald McBean b 1790 m Jane McDonald 1791 and one of their youngest children was Alexander McBean b 1828 Donald was born in Tatersolls-of Raits near Kingussie. They had five children and Alexander emmigrated to Melbourne Australia and m Margaret Flint Carfrae. They had four boys in Australia. I have been searching for five years and hav not found anything on Donald or his wife's families.
Maybe you may come across them.
I don't have any info on your people but hopefully they are connected.
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Hi Tezzanz
I can't quite work out a connection yet between our McBeans as yet, but I'm sure there must be one however remote.
My 3 x gt grandad Donald McBean was born Alvie c.1782. He married Ann Warren, "daughter of Robert Warren in Raitts". Ann was also christened at Alvie, 02 Jan 1787. At the time of his marraige to Ann (1808), Donald was a servant to Angus MacEdward, who was a cattle drover, at Kerrow Meadhonach, Raitts.
Donald and Ann went on to have 7 children, all christened at Kingussie and Insh. It is my understanding that the village of Raitts was "cleared" in the early 1800's, and the people removed to the new village of Kingussie.
I am descended from their youngest daughter, Isabella, born 1820.
I will have another good look at the families and see if I can work out a connection. It may be that your Donald 1790 and my Donald 1782 are cousins.
All the best.
Ellen.
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Thank you for your email.
It is the first real positive info that I have had in 10 years. At last I have found someone who knows about Raitts. Felicity and I went there last year and found one of the archiologists who researched the village so that it could be replicated at the museum in the next village south from Kingussie. It is a must to see if you are in that area as it shows you what the conditions were back 200years ago.
I do hope that you can find a connection as I spend 6 hours a week trying to gleen info from all sorts of libraries but to no avail.
Last night I found info saying that Donald was born 1787 Donald's father was Donald, 1757 his grandfather was John 1720. John's wife was Anna McPherson whose father was Elias McPherson and her mother was Elspeth.
Does this relate to your family?
Cheers,
Terry
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Good afternoon all
My ggg grandfather John McBain (MacBean/MacBain) was born in Alvie (Dunlichity) about 1809. His father was a crofter at Dunachtonbeg and a brother was a shoemakers. He married 1. Christina (Cursty) Robertson, also of Alvie and 2. Jessie McKillop. I have found some of John's brothers on the various cenus reports and I know that some of their family settled in Kingussie and Newtonmore. I wonder if anyone can make a connection
Thanks and regards
Fiona
Correction : John MacBain(Bean) was actually born in 1806 - son of George MacBain and Ann MacDonald. George was a crofter at Dunachtonbeg. There were several children apart from John - Duncan, George, Margaret etc.
According to John's death notice in the Inverness Advertiser (1878) he had been a soldier and it said on the notice "Australian Papers Please Copy" which must mean some of his relatives settled in Oz.
John's children were George (can find no trace of him), Duncan (died Glasgow 1905), Angus (went with his entire family to California), Jessie (my g g grandmother), Alexander, James, Elisabeth Ann and John.
Any help gratefully received.
Thanks and regards
Fiona
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I am looking for Donald McBean born Alvie 1792 m Jean McGregor (McGrigor)1794.
They had six children from 1818 to Alexander McBean G Grandfather b 1828. He emmigrated to Melbourne Australia.
I have not been able to find Donald's or Jeam's siblings or parents and would love to do so.
Do you have any info on these people and are they connected to your McBains, McBeans?
All the best,
Terry in Sydney.
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Hello Spacot;
I was VERY interested to see your posting as my ancestors lived in the same place at the same time! I'd be grateful if you could supply further dates for the Lachlan/John/William/Finlay McBean line and family so I could see what connections there may be.
I do know that the "Laird of Pitchurn" at the time was
Evan Macpherson [of Strathnoon] & Florence Macpherson in Pitchurn
sons: James, b. 31 Oct, bap. 11 Nov 1781, Pitchurn
Donald, b. 20 bap 24 March, 1784
Charles, b 26 Oct bap 15 Nov, 1791, Pitchurn
Wife Flora was the only [legitimate] child of John Macpherson of Pitchurn [he seems to have fathered some illegitimate ones, too], she died 3 Sept 1809 age 50
The sons distinguished themselves in military service.
My 5xgreat grandmother Ann Macpherson, was born in Alvie in 1786 if her gravestone is to be believed. She emigrated to New York State in 1803 and we have one letter still, dated from Pitchurn, 21 Febry 1816, from her aunt Margaret, which is this family:
John McBain/McBean & [AUNT] Margaret Macpherson in Pitchurn
children:
1. Wm, in Pitchurn, b. 27 Oct 1782, married 1816
2. Isabel, in Pitchurn, b. 6 Dec 1785, died young?
3. Mary, in Pitchurn b. 20 bap. 21 June 1789, married 7 feb 1811, died 1 June 1853, age 63, husband died 12 Oct 1882, age 95 as Lachlan Mackintosh of Dunachton [earlier of Presnakilich of Kincraig ], buried Alvie kirkyard
4. Margaret, in Pitchurn 13 Feb?, bap 15 July?? 1792
5. May, in Pitchurn, b. 25 Aug 1795
We also know that this is my grandmother's uncle & family:
[UNCLE] Lachlan Macpherson in Dellifour & ----[Marjory Macpherson] in Glenan married 20 Dec 1788, Alvie. children:
John, b Dellfour 24 bap 25 Feb 1790
Evan, b Dellfour, 24, bap 29 Aug, 1797, died infant
Grace, b Dellfour, 1 Sept 1799 (mother listed as Margaret), died infant
Ann, Dellfour, b. 1 bap 6 Feb 1802
Elspet, b 23 Mar 1804 (mother listed as May), died infant
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Hi Terry,
This looks like your family:
Jean, daughter to Alexander McGrigor and Christian Kennedy in Dalraddy was born on the 20th and bap. the 25th Feb. 1794.
Is this Alexander's sister?
Margaret, daughter to Donald McBean in Tullisoll and Jane McGrigor his spouse was born the 14th of June and bap. the 5th of July 1818.
The Scottish names Jean and Jane are interchangeable, by the way--just to keep us really confused. See www.whatsinaname.net.
Laura
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Laura,
You are a real sweetheart. At last after twenty years of working on the tree you have managed to get over the hurdle we are all stumbling on.
You are hereby awarded to Sherlock Holmes medal.
Well done and I thank you.
Merry Christmas.
Terry
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Larkspur
I don't know if this family is related to yours but I found their headstones in a local cemetery in West Australia
MARY
BELOVED WIFE OF DUNCAN MACPHERSON
BORN APRIL 5TH 1819
at Alvie Invernesshire
Died in this colony
June 13th 1888
Aged 69 years
There is also headstones for Duncan MacPherson and Aeneas Macpherson
All from Alvie let me know if you think there could be any connection.
There are also Mackintosh's from Alvie buried there.
wini
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Sorry the Mackintoshes are from Inverness
wini
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Hi Has anyone come across anything on Elizabeth McBean who married Donald Fraser in Inverness 21 Aug 1824. I'm hoping they might be parents of a Rebecca Fraser born c 1824 at Stratherrick. The only evidence I have is death cert for Rebecca's husband Donald Cameron says his mother was Elizabeth McBean but I believe she was Isabel McDonald (Donald born 1815 at Resolis). This occurred sometimes in Australian records where children never knew their grandparents after parents migrated and were confused about which grandmother was which. Rebecca was at Culcabock age 17 with a Donald Fraser age 78 possibly grandfather in 1841. Any help greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Carmel
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Can anyone connect to Elizabeth McBean who was married to William Mann and died at Tombain Cottage, Alvie on 20 Dec 1891. The death certificate gives her parents as Donald McBean, farmer and Mary Fraser. According to an earlier census she was born in GlenUrquhart. I have so far been unable to positively trace her parentage back any further.
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I've just found something interesting about my great grandmother. She had an illegitimate child by William McBean of Alvie. The childs name was Georgina. My great grandmother was Jane Clark but she didn't marry William McBean, she married Charles Douglas in Perthshire. Georgina was brought up by her father and she married James McLean in Alvie.
She obviously knew her mother was now Jane Douglas (nee MsClark). Isabella (Bell) who was Janes sister was on the 1871 census as general servant in William McBean's household. She died there of gastroenteritis.
There parents were John Clark and Elizabeth Gordon (with MacPhersons and Camerons thrown in too). They were crofters in Strone, Kingussie. Georgina was born in Strone in 1861 and died in Cromdale in 1952 aged 91
I've had a busy afternoon finding skeletons in the cupboard. Hope this helps someones family tree because it's certainly opened my eyes today.
Jean
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Hi Jean,
I have been searching for information on the McBean's of Alvie Parish from the village of Tallisol Of Raitts which is 2 k's from Kingussie for more than 20 years and I am at a standstill with the birth in 1791 of Donald McBean and Jean McGregor his wife of 1794. They had six children but I don't think they are connected to William. I will do a little research and see if they fit into out tree and will keep you posted.
I have other McBeans and memebers of the family who bare also trying to get over the hurdle of Donald and Jean.
All the best,
Terry in Sydney
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Hello Terry
The William McBean I refer to is the son of William McBean and Isabella Davidson.
The children were:-
John born 16.06.1809 and baptized 18.06.1809
Lachlan born 20.10.1810 and baptized 29.10.1810
Margaret born 5.06.1815 and baptized 23.06.1815
Alexander born 25.05.1817 and baptized 05.06.1817
Isabell born 29.10.1819 and baptized 9.11.1819
William, born 25.09.1821 and baptized 19.19.1821. Died 03.05.1889
Samuel born 25.04.1823 and baptized 04.05.1823
There is reference to Lachlan McBean on the internet. I believe he went to Australia.
Hope this helps.
Jean
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Hi Ellenavon
Sorry to be so slow replying to your post, I am reassesing my McBains [I am visiting Alvie for a quick visit end of September] and noticed I had not thanked you for your help, it sorted out one of my brickwalls, thanks very much. I note you said you were gong to post your family info seperately, did you do so and I have lost it or what, I have a big black hole in last year, I got married and moved house
Lynn
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Hello Fidonald
As in my post to Ellenavon above, I am back to my McBains, I have been looking at your post, I have acquired a lot of info on Alvie McBain/Bean`s in my attempt to sort out my family, and my have some info for you [I appologise if you have it already]
George McBean=Ann McDonald m 29 Mar 1778 Alvie. I have dates for 6 children, Ann, Margaret, Angus, Christian, Janet, and John. Could not find George or Donald Did find a death cert for George, he was the Shoemaker born abt 1810, married to Ann McNeil 1852 Died Alvie 9 Mar 1879. Christian also died 1884, no mention of a husband. John Married Cursty Robertson 1844, all census show him in Inverness, a Corn and Spirit dealer, 1851 census no wife, 3 children George, Angus and Duncan, 1861 census married to Jessie and now has 3 more children Jessie, Alexander and Eliza. Do you know who the parents of George were?
let me know if you did not know any of the above and want more detail on it
Spacot
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Hi there
Thanks for all the info! I got it a bit wrong with the profession of George McB - he was a crofter, not a shoemaker. Some of his sons were shoemakers though. As the records pre 1855 are at best sketchy, I've been unable to get further back than the marriage 0f George and Ann McD and I cannot find a death cert for Cursty.
One of those days I will get over to Alvie and maybe find out more.
Any additional data you have would be gratefully received. My e-mail is (*). I've got heaps on John McB and the sons Duncan and Angus as well as on the children from the second marriage but precious little on John's siblings or parents.
Thanks and kind regards
Fidonald
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I have Elizabeth McBean, my wife's g-g grandmother, who died at Tombain Cottage, Alvie on 20 Dec 1891, born c 1813, wife of William Mann, marriage 24 July 1837, Moy & Dalarossie. I have her parents as Donald McBean and Mary Fraser. Does anyone else have them in their McBean files?
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Hi Fidonald
The george i found is brother to John, according to his death cert his parents were george McBean and Ann McDonald, Cursty must have died between the birth of Angus abt 1848 and the 1851 census, but I cannot find any record either, perhaps in the MI`s for Inverness
I will send more soon
Spacot
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Thanks Spacot - much appreciated!
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Hi Fidonald
A little more info I have found the marriage of John and Jessie McKillop, Inverness 29 Jan 1853, according to the record John McBean Grocer living Celt St Inverness and jessie McKillop living same place.
Lynn
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Hi,
I'm also descended from McBains of Alvie - my gggg grandparents were Donald McBain and Elspet McIntyre. One of their sons was Lachlan McBain, shoemaker (see MIs in Alvie Churchyard) born around 1780 (died 1857) and married to Margaret McIntosh (died 1869 in Meadowside, Alvie). They lived in Coillintuie. His son, Farquhar McBain lived in Kincraig House (don't think he owned it) and built what is now Suie Hotel in Kincraig - he would be a distant uncle. There is a picture of him on the staircase in the hotel. Another son of Lachlan, was Donald, born 1823, my gg grandfather, who is not on gravestone. He was a shepherd and moved downriver to Rothes where my grandfather, Charles Rhind, was born (son of Jessie McBain and Charles Rhind)
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Sorry - Lachlan McBain was a tailor, not a shoemaker - ignore that bit in my last post!
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Hi Fochaberian,
Do iItake it you are from Fochaber, I have a little info on your family, Dates of birth for The children of Lachlan and some deaths, Parents of Margaret McIntosh, etc any info you are lacking, let me know I might have some
Spacot
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Hi Everybody,
Back from Alvie, I have photographs of 30 gravestones of McBean/Bain from Alvie, Kingussie and Inch churchyards, any one interested let me know.
Spacot
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Hi Spacot
Thanks for the info about John MacBean & Jessie McKillop. I don't know if you have ever looked on ambaile.org but his death noticed was published in the Inverness Courier and it is on Ambaile along with loads of other interesting stuff.
I don't suppose you found any graves for my lot when you were in Alvie?
Thanks again and kind regards
Fidonald
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Hello, I have just started researching the Alvie McBeans and like the rest of you, am confused! I have May b.1771 in Inverness, m. John Robertson, Christina b.1772 m. Donald Robertson (John's brother), I suspect they could have been sisters. Many of the children from both these families emigrated to Tasmania and South Australia. Does anyone have any information about May and Christina's parents please?
I'm also interested about the connection of Cursty Robertson m.John McBean, to my Robertsons. In 1851 I have Duncan Robertson b.1793 living with his son-in-law John McBean b.1807. As mentioned in previous posts, John had no wife, could Cursty have been Duncan's daughter? I can't find a record. Also in 1851 Duncan's children John, Donald and Mary had John McBean (McBain) b. 1847, Ann b. 1850 and Cursty b.1851, listed as nieces and nephews living with them. In 1861 Duncan had 3 McBean (McBain) grandchildren living with him, Donald b.1852, John b.1847 and Ann b.1850.so it would appear that John's first wife died c.1852, don't know where she was in 1851 though, unless Donald's birth date is wrong. Presumably this is the same John who married Jessie Mckillop.
Hopefully you have all done a lot more research since the last posts and can help me out please. I do have other Robertsons/McBeans in Australia but will leave them for next time!
Maddiebo
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McBean - Peter born about 1823 - I believe this is my great grandfather. I believe he was born in Alvie and immigrated to Canada via New York between 1848 - 1851. My grandfather was born in Southern Ontario. One relative has written that Peter had a twin Louisand that they were born in Rockymus..Kas..in the Highlands. I am visiting Aviemore at the end of April and would like to make the most of the 1 day I have there. Any information would be helpful.
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Hi,
Did a little digging ... Rockymus..Kas.. this place must be Rothiemurchus which is the parish next to Alvie , and the parish in which Aviemore is situated, A bit of luck, only one peter possible in Rothiemurchus ---PETER MACBAIN born October 1820 baptised 18 Feb 1821 in Avielochan parents were John McBain farmer and Marjery Stuart his wife,
First point to mention the McBain/McBean/McBane surname changed depending on who was writing it the spellings of surnames did not become fixed in the highlands until much later, at this point some people are still using the Gaelic spelling.
Their is no record of a Louise McBain/Bean born in 1820's in the whole of Invernessshire so I think your relative might have made a mistake there, families did not get one twin baptised and the other not, they either baptised both or none,
Their are only two other Peter McB's baptised in 1820's
Peter McBean baptised 1826 in Petty parents Angus McBean and Catherine McDonald
Peter McBean Baptised 1829 in Abernethy and Kincardine parents Peter McBean and Janet Grant.
The Petty baptism looks attractive but Petty is over past Inverness close to the site of the battle of Culloden, the birth place is given as [Cretveel?] I can find no place even close to that
Spacot
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Thank you so much for the information. What do you see re Peter McBean son of Angus & Mary in Duthil Parish . This information was taken from Ancestry.com and has a birth date of 1823 which matches our family records? I wonder whether the Louis (twin) could have been stillborn???
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Hi again,
It is unlikely a still born would not have been baptised, it was widely believed that a child buried unbaptised would return to haunt the parents,
I have looked at your Peter. It is very confusing I will give you the info I have found following on from the census,
10 Jan 1816 Angus McBean son of John McBean and Margaret Stuart born 1787 living in Balchlaggan married Mary Grant in Rothiemurchus, the couple have 3 children all baptised in Balchlaggan John 1818, Alexander 1819 and Lewis 1821, Lieutenant Alexander McBean of Balchlaggan and John Grant were the witnesses to the baptism of Lewis. No Peter.
1797 George McBean and Ann McDonald in Dunachton Alvie have a son called Angus he married Mary Grant do not know when. They lived in Casdow in Alvie parish and had six children Patrick 1823, James 1828, Grace 1829. Jane 1832, Mary 1843 and Lachlan 1836, again no Peter are these two different people or not?
The census record in ancestry has Angus born Rothie abt 1788 Mary born abt 1793 Alex born Rothie 1819, Peter born Alvie 1823, Angus born Alvie 1825, Jane born Alvie 1833 and Catherine born Alvie 1840. none of the births in Alvie are in the Alvie OPR. any more info needed let me know
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Re Peter McBean
The info I have from Ancestry.com lists the Parish number as 96B in the civil parish of Duuthil and the address as Polchar Cottage and Occupation as Ag Lab and this was from the 1851 census. The members of the family were Angus McBean (63), Mary McBean (58), Alexander McBean (32), Peter McBean 28, Angus McBean 26, Jane McBean (18) and Catherine McBean(11).
I was directed to that information by Ancestry.com when I researched my grandfather's information from Southern Ontario, Canada. My grandfather's information matched. From a small diary of family information written by my deceased aunt I have the following information. Peter McBean married Jean Coutts on Feb 28, 1855 in Canada.The diary states that Peter McBean was born in Rockym...(I would have to go back to your previous email to see the spelling of the place). The diary says that he and his brothers Lewis & James landed in New York April 7th, 1852 came to Sarnia, Ontario via Albany, Buffalo,and Cleveland.They lived in Lampton County, Bear Creek.Jean Coutts was born in Canada and the McBeans moved to Rideville, Manitoba, Canada in 1882. The family were scattered and just the younger members were on the farm. Later Peter McBean & Jean McBean moved to Emerson about 1900 where Peter McBean died about 1906 or 1907. Jean McBean died in March 1922. The rest of the information I have is on the children of John McBean - Peter's son.
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so the Rothimurchus family must be yours and the baptism of Peter has been lost, very few people were called Lewis in the area at that time, the chances of 2 angus mcbeans having boys called peter and lewis is astronomical so your Angus was son to John McBean and Margaret Stuart.Rest of the children
Angus 30 Sep 1787
Lachlan 24 Sep 1801
Isobel 10 Jul 1791
John9 Mar 1795
Marjory 22 Mar 1789
Patrick 24 Jan 1799
the children were born Achnahatnich, angus moved to Balchlaggan [now called Balvadden] had peter then moved to Polchar, all three places are on o.s.maps, you can see them on the nls website.
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Thank you for helping me! I believe you are right. Would you know where Angus is buried? I am coming to the Aviemore area for about 6 hours on April 27th and would like to see where my ancestors walked.
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http://maps.nls.uk/os/view/?sid=75520799
Above is the link to a map of the area paste it into your browser address bar and it should take you to it you should be able to zoom in and move around, the area with the 3 farms is in the bottom right quarter, the church for the area was in Duthil during the period you are interested in, I will look tonoght to see if I can find any trace of a grave stone. happy hunting
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Hi Angiemist, last update, gravestones
Rothiemurchus old ruined church and its walled graveyard are in the woods of the Doune estate on a slope leading down to the Spey, if you are able to access the map I sent you, you will see it near to Polchar, 3 grave stones of interest in front of the ruin 2 close together 1 slightly separate,
on its own, may be connected Donald McBean Tacksman of Ballinchlaggan died 1808 age 70 his wife Grace Grant died 1802
together Angus McBean Achnahatnich died 1864 age 76 wife Mary Grant died 1882 age 91,
also son James died 1858 age 30, dau Catherine died1867 age 2[6] son Donald died 1877.
next to it John McBean Farmer Achnahatnich died 1849 age 53 wife Isabella McBean died 1835 age 38 erected by son Lachlan 1852.
Hope this helps to plan your visit
Spacot
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just a note , have this minute found Peter and Patrick are interchangeable in the highlands, so Patrick could be known as Peter to the family
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Hello, I have just started researching the Alvie McBeans and like the rest of you, am confused! I have May b.1771 in Inverness, m. John Robertson, Christina b.1772 m. Donald Robertson (John's brother), I suspect they could have been sisters. Many of the children from both these families emigrated to Tasmania and South Australia. Does anyone have any information about May and Christina's parents please?
I have been reading a short biography of William Robertson of Australia b.7 Oct 1798 Alvie . His parents are described as Donald Robertson and Christian Macbean
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/robertson-william-4491
He had several siblings in Australia, in Tasmania mainly, one of whom, Christiana, married Archibald Smith, and they come down to my mothers family.
That means I have to read and perhaps try to understand all these other pages about McBeans - what fun ;D
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Hi, Found this by chance: I am a direct descendent of Peter McBean of Avielochan Farm. he was born in 1866 and his father, also Peter, was born in 1821. The line goes back to Robert Stewart of Fincastle, a subaltern in the Argyll Militia, who refused, at the risk of his own life to take part in the massacre of Glencoe. Hence he fled to Rothiemurcus and the protection of the Duke of Gordon. There are still McBeans around Avielochan. Peter McBean jnr, became a policeman in 1886, as did his son, Peter, my grandfather. I was also a policeman incidentally.
Hi,
Did a little digging ... Rockymus..Kas.. this place must be Rothiemurchus which is the parish next to Alvie , and the parish in which Aviemore is situated, A bit of luck, only one peter possible in Rothiemurchus ---PETER MACBAIN born October 1820 baptised 18 Feb 1821 in Avielochan parents were John McBain farmer and Marjery Stuart his wife,
First point to mention the McBain/McBean/McBane surname changed depending on who was writing it the spellings of surnames did not become fixed in the highlands until much later, at this point some people are still using the Gaelic spelling.
Their is no record of a Louise McBain/Bean born in 1820's in the whole of Invernessshire so I think your relative might have made a mistake there, families did not get one twin baptised and the other not, they either baptised both or none,
Their are only two other Peter McB's baptised in 1820's
Peter McBean baptised 1826 in Petty parents Angus McBean and Catherine McDonald
Peter McBean Baptised 1829 in Abernethy and Kincardine parents Peter McBean and Janet Grant.
The Petty baptism looks attractive but Petty is over past Inverness close to the site of the battle of Culloden, the birth place is given as [Cretveel?] I can find no place even close to that
Spacot
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For those researching MacBain MacBean in Alvie.
William Robertson (1798-1874) pastoralist, was born on the 7th October 1798 at Alvie Scotland- Inverness-shire. He was the son of Donald Robertson, sheep farmer, and his wife Christian, nee MacBean . He went to school at Baldow School. In 1822 with his brother John he sailed in the Regalia to Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania)
He followed his brother Duncan. And Daniel and James followed. Later he crossed to Victoria.......
I do hope this information helps with your search for MacBean. MacBain. MacBein.
Cheers Colac.
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Another thread for those researching the McBean/McBains and Robertsons of Alvie:
According to Scotlandspeople, Donald Robertson and Christian McBain had twins, Duncan and Donald, born 6th May 1794 at Cluanach, Alvie.
Duncan (Milton of Dunachton) with Isabel McBain (Kintacher) had “natural” son, Alexander born 12th September 1818 at Alvie.
Isabel McBain, born 3rd April 1783 at Pitowrie, Alvie, was daughter of Alexander McBain and Katherine Kennedy.
Duncan married Margaret Stuart 19th October 1826 at Alvie.
For the 1841 census:
Duncan was a farmer at Dunachton, Alvie along with Margaret (1798) and their six children: John (1822), Ann (1824), Donald (1828), Mary (1830), Margaret (1833) and Isabel (1835).
Isabel McBain was an agricultural labourer at Kintacher, Alvie.
Alexander was an agricultural labourer at Dunachton, Alvie
Isabel McBain died 4th February 1859 at Kintacher, Alvie, “single”, “pauper” and “aged 76 years”. The death was notified by her sister Katherine. Burial was in Alvie Churchyard.
Duncan, “married to Margaret Smith” and “aged 75 years” (sic), died 4th February 1864 at Lynchat, Alvie. The death was notified by son-in-law James McAuslin.
Alexander left Alvie to work on the railways. He married Jane Morrison Cameron (Edinburgh) 22nd February 1850 at Halflawkiln, Midlothian and they had six children: Duncan (1850), Helen (1852), Lauchlan (1854), Alexander (1856), Isabella McBain (1858) – my GGrandmother - and Angus (1861). The first five children were born in various villages along the Waverley Line where Alexander worked as stationmaster.
The 1861 and 1871 census’s show the family living in Rothes, Moray where Alexander was the stationmaster and their sixth child was born. By the 1881 census they were living in Portobello, Edinburgh, with Alexander now a railway surfaceman.
Alexander, “railway clerk”, died 6th December 1892 at Portobello and is buried in the town cemetery with Jane, died 21st December 1899.
Angus emigrated to Australia, sailed on the SS Gulf of Mexico landed 24th March 1885. My GGrandfather (Isabella’s husband) kept a notebook where he records receiving a postcard from Angus in November 1888. Later in same notebook he gives an address: Mr Angus Robertson, c/o John Robertson Esq., Emerdale Station, Streatham, Victoria, Australia.
Angus married Margaret McRae 1890 and they had five children. Angus died June 1945 at Kew, Victoria and is buried in Fawkner Memorial Park, Victoria.
Hopefully some connections can be made.
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Brand new to this forum...and this thread. I have been researching my family history for 30 years (since age 11), and am now determined to finally link my McBains to the correct parental line in Scotland. Here's what I have, and I am hoping that all of you who have conducted so much research in Alvie may have some tips or perhaps links for me! My McBains moved to Wellington County, Ontario from Scotland--here's what what I have:
Donald McBain, b:1822, Inverness; d: 1874, Laxton, ONT. Married Catherine Turner (1830-1915) in 1850, Wellington Co., Ontario. They had nine children, many of whom stayed in Ontario [see further below for a list of Donald and Catherine's children]. I believe Donald's siblings were: John (1824-?) and C/Katherine (1828-1888). Christening records [Alvie, Inverness] for a Donald McBain and siblings John and Katherine list their parents as:
James McBain (1792-1858) and Janet Smith (of Kingussie, 1782-1868). There's also a christening record in Alvie for James McBean b: 1792 to John McBean & Janet Robertson.
Communications with a descendant of my Donald (1822-1874)'s sister Katherine (who married William Ashall Firstbrook) strengthens the suggestion that James & Janet (nee Smith) were my Donald's parents. Going back even further [his family allegedly hired a genealogist 20+ years ago], this researcher argues that James' father was indeed John McBean (see christening note above), and that John McBean was born in 1767 [possibly in Ardesier, Inverness] to Alexander McBean and Janet Sutherland.
Returning to Ontario and to Donald McBain (1822-1874), my Scottish emigrant who lived in Ontario, here's a list of his nine children with Catherine Turner (1830-1915), all born in Wellington County, Ontario:
1- Duncan (1852-1931), m: Jessie Bain
2- Jessie (1856-1941), m: John W. Boynton
3- Sarah (1859-?), m: Angus Murray
4- James Turner (1861-1945), m: Mable Gyles
5- Donald Turner (1863-1941), m: Adiline Sands. Emigrated to WA state. This is my line.
6- Catherine Edna (1865-?), m: Hector Gordon
7- Mary Elizabeth (1867-1951), m: George Murray
8- John Arthur Wellington (1869-1943), m: Isabella Cope
9- Christina Isabella (1872-?), m: Robert Parks
Hoping someone in this thread sees this message and also has some pointers for me! I would especially like info on James McBain and Janet Smith, the most-likely parents of my known McBain ancestor (Donald, 1822-1874), who appear to have been from or near Alvie and who emigrated to Ontario [they are buried in the Erin Pioneer Cemetery, Wellington, ONT]. Confirmation that the James McBean born to John McBean & Janet Robertson in Alvie in 1792 is the same who emigrated to Ontario (probably in the 1840s) would also be great!
Thanks in advance,
Linnea Caproni Hallam
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I've just discovered this thread.
I'm hoping it will help to unblock a dead end I've reached on Scotland's People.
Like Ellen in an earlier post, my GG grandfather is Donald McBain b circa 1780, died 1862.
He was a shepherd married (1808) to Anne Warren who died within days of Donald in Duthil.
They had 10 children, mostly born in Kingussie. My great grandfather was William (born 1819).
Donald's only sibling that I can positively identify is May (born circa 1780, died 1868).
Donald and May's parents were William McBean (farmer and tailor) and Helen McDonald.
Unfortunately, there is no record of their marriage or the births of their children.
There were two William McBeans born in Alvie in 1756 and 1757 but these dates don't fit well with the births of possible Helen McDonalds ( 5 to 8 years earlier).
Can anyone shed any light on this or suggest a new line of research?