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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: elsiegee1 on Tuesday 18 December 07 21:00 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
Would anybody be able to help me find an obituary for my g-grandfather Hugh Gillan, born 1857, died 1922 in Yoker?
I have recently got in touch with a cousin, who feels sure that Hugh had some part in the founding of Celtic FC in 1887 with the Marist Brother Walfrid. I am hoping that an obituary may give some clues, as Celtic cannot find him in their records.
Apparently two of Hugh's sons, Frank (b1887) and Willie (b1892) also trained with the first team, although I doubt whether this would have been recorded anywhere. Still, would be nice to know...
Unfortunately time and money mean I am stuck in Coventry for this mystery so I would be grateful for any help/suggestions.
Thanks
Elsie
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I found this is an old Scottish Memories magazine.
In the late 1880’s a number of gentlemen in Glasgow’s East End thought they saw a way to help the cause of the poorer people in the district. Spurred on by the example of Hibernian FC winning the Scottish Cup in 1887 they thought of forming their own club.
How Celtic FC was started.
Most of these men were of Irish extraction and thus when Celtic came officially into being in 1888 the club embodied the Irish sentiments and the principles of the original founders.
With the help of Hibs, they were soon joined by players from other clubs who wanted to share in this new exciting project. They acquired a field opposite their present ground but their astonishing run of early success soon found them established at Parkhead proper.
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Thanks weemary,
So it wasn't just Brother Walfrid then, it was 'a number of gentlemen', so Hugh could have had something to do with it?
It's just the proof that's the problem (isn't it always!)
:D Elsie
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Update:
From his death cert, Hugh died on 15th February 1922 , if that helps anyone to help me!
Thanks :)
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There are Microfiche records available of Obituaries from all the main Glasgow Newspapers in the Mitchell Library Here in Glasgow I will have a wee look when Im in Next week if you want .
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Oh, yes please!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks so much :)
elsie
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Going to the Mitchell Library tomorrow hope to have some info for you then Happy New Year by The way :)
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Just Got Back from The Mitchell and I found the obituary in the Glasgow Herald February 17th 1922 it reads:......
..Hugh Gillan
Died at Smithfield Yoker
on February 15th aged 64
R.I.P Funeral Private
No flowers(by request)
Thats it Elsie sorry no mention of Celtic but thats not to say there arent records available I suggest you write to the club personally as Im sure they will point you in the right direction as they are of course the greatest football club in the world . :)
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Thanks ever so much pancho, I'm really grateful for your help with this.
Unfortunately the greatest football club in the world said they couldn't help me when I emailed them :(
I also contacted St Mary's Church, where Brother Walfrid was based at the time Celtic came into being, but drew a blank there too. Looks like I'm running out of options.....
Thanks for your help anyway. and Happy New Year! :)
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Never Give up Elsie I will have a wee look for you :)
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Elsie is this your Hugh Gillan and his family you see Duntocher and Yoker are very near one another and the Oldest Hugh`s age is Identical to yours have a wee look and see what you think
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Hi
Frank Gillan was my grandfather. Could we exchange info. Do I know you?
Finne :D
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Pancho, If you read this, I am looking for the obit for my Grandfather Colonel William Nelson, OBE, TD died June 11, 1937 in Glasgow. I understand it is archived in the Mitchell Library....exactly where you found Elsie's info.
Thanks.
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Elsie
I am Hugh Gillan's grandson. My father was Willie (b.1892) (d.1945 Mexico City). Willie had a brother living in Coventry and bombed out during the war. oldest son, Hugh, also buried in British Cemetery in Mexico City. Nicholas remained in Scotland and raised Hugh's two sons. Sister Mary (?) remained in Scotland also. I recall my father's enthusiasm for football and Celtic. Keep in touch.
David
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Hi David,
I've sent you a PM with my email address, so we can compare notes :)
Elsie
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Hi David,(http://)
I'm also a relative. My mother was your cousin Kathleen Gillan, daughter of Frank Gillan. My cousin Norman is also interested in our family history. Do you have any family photos or family stories to share?
Best Wishes
Fiona
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Elsie
Delighted to have dipped into your posts. Hugh Gillan (d 1922) of Yoker is my Great-Grandfather through his daughter Mary (Polly) Gillan (one of John's Sisters and b 1885) who married Daniel Joseph Maginniss in Yoker in 1912. Fascinated to learn that John resided in Coventry and married a local girl, neither of which I knew. I assume Mary Gillan knew but perhaps not, although she lived in Coventry/Kenilworth 1916-1974, passing away in 1974, having had five children. Delighted to share this aspect of the Gillan story if you wish. :)
Clem
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Really interested too as Hugh Gillan is also my Great-Grandfather. I know Johanna Browne came from Dublin, but does anyone know anything /more about the origins of Hugh's father and mother in Ireland (Our G/GGF Peter Gillan, G/GGGF Thomas and G/GGGM McGill?, and G/GGM Anne Keenan ,GGGF Kennan and Burns). Or what happpened to the children of Peter Gillan's second marriage: Peter, Euphemia and Mary I think.
Fiona
Delighted to have dipped into your posts. Hugh Gillan (d 1922) of Yoker is my Great-Grandfather through his daughter Mary (Polly) Gillan (one of John's Sisters and b 1885) who married Daniel Joseph Maginniss in Yoker in 1912. Fascinated to learn that John resided in Coventry and married a local girl, neither of which I knew. I assume Mary Gillan knew but perhaps not, although she lived in Coventry/Kenilworth 1916-1974, passing away in 1974, having had five children. Delighted to share this aspect of the Gillan story if you wish. :)
Clem
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:)Fiona
It is a Small World! Frank Gillan (b1887) worked at Lobnitz Shipyard if I am correct. I have no visibility on Gillan family history previous to Hugh and Mary, although Keenan and McGill are strangely familiar. My Father knew the Gillan sisters well (Millie, Agnes and Anne) as he used to visit them just after the war when his ship HMS ROCHESTER docked in Glasgow.
Mary Gillan (d1974 Coventry) married Daniel James Maginniss (d1954 Coventry) in Yoker in 1912. After a sojurn in Mexico 1913-14, presumably with Hugh Jr, they moved to Coventry in 1916 for Daniel to take up an appointment with Siddleley-Deasy, a company he remained with until retirement through illness in 1954. They had five children.
Daniel James b1914 Yoker, d1985 Warwick. No marriage.
Mary Annie (Molly) b1916 Old Kilpatrick, d1988 Kirkcudbright. Marriage no children.
Hugh b1918 Coventry, d1945 Saye Burma (KIA serving with 2 Norfolks). No marriage.
Nicholas Bernard b1923, Coventry d1991 Lockerbie. Children: Daniel & Christopher.
Clement Joseph b1927 Coventry, d2007 Coventry. Children: Clement Hugh (Me) & Ruthmary.
I trust this adds a little colour to another side of the Gillan story, although there is of course much more to tell.
Clem
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Thanks, that's great to hear from you and have more information. My mother told me a little but Hugh and Mary died when she was very young. She remembered they had a big dog or dogs and that Mary was short and very wide! I visited Glasgow a few years ago and saw where they lived.
Frank Gillan's children were Kathleen my mother b1918, Frances b1926(son Norman) and Hugh b1916 (no children). Hugh went to sea, then lived in Middlesborough and he was not in contact with his family for many years up to his death in 1980s - I only found out where he ended up ifrom the internet in 2004. My mother and Frances both lived in England. Frances died last year and my mother in 2003.
Was Anne the sister that married Tommy-Joe Feeney and lived in Sligo? - If so I met their children Mary and Anne and Anne's children in Sligo, plus when I was a child we visited Marie who was brought up by Nicholas Gillan (and once met her children) in Ropley, Hampshire.
Anne Keenan was Hugh's mother. I think she married Peter in 1843 in Old Kilpatrick. After she died in 1867 (?approx) , Peter Gillan remarried but it's not clear what happened to Hugh as he doesn't appear in census records along with Peter's new family. In Hugh and Mary's marriage record it doesn't say Anne but maybe it's a mistake.
I was interested in the Irish connection. Nicholas Browne our GGGF was a waiter in Dublin, and Mary's mother was there too, but I have no idea where the Gillans came from. Thomas Gillan GGGGF was a cattle dealer. Until 'Who do you think you are' fund the research (ha ha) that's all I know and maybe it will remain a mystery!
Best wishes
Fiona
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Fiona
Mother will be amazed. She knew Matilda (Millie) well as she visited Polly in Kenilworth. Apparently she was a superb baker and her shortbread was absolutely splendid!! Anne did marry Tommy-Joe Feeney; I understand that they spent some time living in Australia.
Interesting about Sligo. The Maginniss clan spent their summer holidays there in the 1930s but I do not know whether that was a Gillan or Maginniss connection; perhaps both? When you mention Marie do you mean Maria from Mexico? There is a Gillian thread married to a Les Horn in Argyll but she has not responded.
You have done well to research so far back; many of the Irish records were destroyed after 1922. The McGill connection is interesting. Bridget McGill is my GGGM but on the Maginniss tree. Is Hugh & Mary's house/tenement standing? :)
Clem
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Sorry if anyone has sent me a message in the last 2 years... I just spotted a facebook message from a couple of months ago and it prompted me to look at this - I hadn't received anything as my email changed - I moved house and lots of other things. Anyway I'm back online now, hello! :)
Lorna
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Hi
Yes, I saw a red tenement house at the census address (assuming I was in the right place!) and I think so as my mother lived only a few hundred yards from it on the edge of a council estate and her houese is still there. Yes Marie is Maria from Mexico. She was a really nice person.
I fould reference to Johanna Fane (Mary Gillan nee Browne's mother) in Dublin and I was told someone had a butcher's shop but I haven't any evidence of that.
Best wishes
Fiona
Mother will be amazed. She knew Matilda (Millie) well as she visited Polly in Kenilworth. Apparently she was a superb baker and her shortbread was absolutely splendid!! Anne did marry Tommy-Joe Feeney; I understand that they spent some time living in Australia.
Interesting about Sligo. The Maginniss clan spent their summer holidays there in the 1930s but I do not know whether that was a Gillan or Maginniss connection; perhaps both? When you mention Marie do you mean Maria from Mexico? There is a Gillian thread married to a Les Horn in Argyll but she has not responded.
You have done well to research so far back; many of the Irish records were destroyed after 1922. The McGill connection is interesting. Bridget McGill is my GGGM but on the Maginniss tree. Is Hugh & Mary's house/tenement standing? :)
Clem
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I have come across Frank Gillan in my family search. Would be grateful to know more information.
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Hi
I'm pretty sure the house still stands. I think it was rented - possibly from the council so they might know. I saw it about 20 years ago. There is a grave - Hugh, Mary, Frank, Nicholas buried there. Who are you related to? If you pass through perhaps we could meet up?
Best wishes
Fiona