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Title: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: Christopher on Friday 28 December 07 09:56 GMT (UK)
I spotted these three Blackadders in the  Dictionary of Scottish Architects, 1840-1940. (http://www.codexgeo.co.uk/dsa/building_list.php?bsstr=&bstwn=Falkirk&bsisl=&bscnt=&bsctr=&bsnme=&bscls=Any&bsarc=&bscln=)

Block of shops and offices for John W. Blackadder, Solicitor, Grahamston Station, Falkirk.
Bungalow for John W. Blackadder, Falkirk.
Villa for Thomas Blackadder, Falkirk.

Christopher
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: mosstrooper on Friday 28 December 07 20:13 GMT (UK)
Blackadder was a Motor Dealer in Falkirk, VW if I remember correctly, have you a cunning plan?
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: apanderson on Saturday 29 December 07 12:43 GMT (UK)
A cunning plan . . . . and not a turnip in sight   ;)

Well, here's some more info on J. W. Blackadder: (From MI's in Camelon Cemetery, Falkirk)

John Wilson Blackadder, Solicitor, of 'The Crags', Major's Place, Falkirk was born c1870, died 1st October 1946 (aged 76 years).
His wife Phoebe Euodia (nee Sutton) was born c1892, died 15th May 1974 (aged 82 years)
Their eldest son Ian Williamson Blackadder, was born c1923, killed in action at Anzio 22nd January 1944 (aged 21) and was buried at sea.
Service No: 253617, H.M.S. 'Bruiser', Naval Auxiliary Personnel, Merchant Navy, commemorated on Liverpool Naval Memorial, Panel 8, Column 1

There is a discrepancy between what's on the MI and the details on CWGC for Ian Williamson Blackadder, this is:
The MI gives his rank as Petty Officer (Writer) R.N., indicating that he served in the Royal Navy, not the Merchant Navy as listed on CWGC.

And an 'earlier' Blackadder Family, also from an MI in Camelon Cemetery)

William Blackadder, born c1839, died at Linton Vale, Falkirk, 26th September 1893 (aged 54 years)
His wife Eliza Thomson, born c1850, died 19th February 1912 (aged 62 years)
Their son Thomas T. Blackadder, born c1869, died 6th December 1907 (aged 38 years)
Their daughter-in-law, (wife of Thomas T. Blackadder), Agnes M. Miller, died 5th January 1954 (age unkown)
Malcolm Blackadder, son of Thomas T. & Agnes M. Blackadder, killed at Marseilles 1st October 1922, 1st Officer, M.M. (Mercantile/Merchant Marines)

Isn't it amazing how when someone mentions something they've discovered - as Christopher did, it sparks off all sorts of wee snippets. Here's hoping someone somewhere will be looking for their Blackadder ancestors . . . . .

Anne  :)






Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: Christopher on Saturday 29 December 07 12:54 GMT (UK)
Thanks Anne,
This looks like great Blackadder information to me 8)

All we need now is for  Dessie  (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,3264.0.html) to have a look at it. Do you think a line should be sent to him telling him what has been found? Your investigative research talents indicate that you'd make a great reporter for the Ballymena Times

I think I'll join in the party. There's an extremely lengthy post about  Blackadder family of Falkirk  (http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BLACKADAR/1999-11/0941727198) on Rootsweb which mentions an interesting book entitled "Elizabeth Blackadder" by Judith Bumpus. Dame Elizabeth Blackadder, RA is a widely acclaimed painter of still lifes and landscapes, living in Edinburgh. The book contains some information about her family, and includes details about the Falkirk Blackadders and their origins.

Christopher
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: RJ_Paton on Saturday 29 December 07 13:07 GMT (UK)
Quote
Here's hoping someone somewhere will be looking for their Blackadder ancestors . . . . .

Unfortunately they are harder to track down than the unusual name might suggest.

I have Margaret Blackadder born circa 1776 marrying into my lineage (married to James Sinclair) in Stirling area .... in 1841 census he is listed with  what appears to be a second and younger Margaret Blackadder who is listed under her maiden name indicating she may be a relative of his wife although there is no listing for his wife (possibly deceased prior to this census)
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: Christopher on Saturday 29 December 07 13:27 GMT (UK)
Hi Falkryn,

 Blackadder "The Real Damn Dynasty"  (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~blacader/WC_TOC.HTML#PROGRESS) is on Rootsweb. There's a group of six guys
and two women researching the Blackadder name and variations of the name.

Christopher
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: apanderson on Saturday 29 December 07 13:33 GMT (UK)
Hi Christopher,

I don't know about 'investigative research talents' - my family call it 'mad graveyard obsession'  ;D

I doubt if any of it will be of any interest to Des (I read the thread you posted the link to) as there might not be any link to Scotland.

I've bookmarked the other link on the Falkirk Blackadders to have a look at later.

Anne

Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: Christopher on Saturday 29 December 07 15:17 GMT (UK)
Hi Anne,

There are strong connections between Co. Antrim and Scotland.

Christopher
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: David-G on Wednesday 01 October 08 09:49 BST (UK)
I've just joined Roots Chat and suddenly I was pointed to a post about my Gt Gt Gt Gt Grandmother, Margaret Blackadder. I'm sure it's the same one as I also have her married to a James Sinclair.

If anyone has more information, I'd be grateful.

Thanks

David
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: RJ_Paton on Sunday 05 October 08 10:29 BST (UK)
David and I have have corresponded by email and can confirm that it is the same Margaret Blackadder and that we have a few other generations in common.
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: cathyX on Monday 25 May 09 14:10 BST (UK)
Hi I have just discovered this web site today and I note that there has been a few posts regarding the name blackadder, My grandmother came from midlothian and she was one of twelve children, I am realy interested in creating a family tree,I was just wondering how much information you have on this family name. I will come back to this web site but just in case I get lost my email address is (*)

Regards Catherine

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Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: David-G on Monday 25 May 09 15:17 BST (UK)
Hi Catherine,

Margaret Blackadder is my Gt Gt Gt Gt Grandmother. I have a little bit of information but not much. Your e-mail addrss was blanked out but I'll try and put more information here shortly.

I have my full tree on Genes Reunited and also http://davidagourlay.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=davidagourlay&view=9&rand=859686195


Regards

David
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: RJ_Paton on Monday 25 May 09 21:16 BST (UK)
David - I take it you have the information about Robert Gourlay (son of John Gourlay & jean Sinclair) and his first wife and Family.
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: David-G on Monday 25 May 09 22:39 BST (UK)
Hi,

Yes, I have Robert Gourlay (born 1842) - he is the link to the line of my 3rd cousin once removed. However I only have one wife for him, Barbara Ramsay. Do you have another wife for him?

David
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: cathyX on Tuesday 26 May 09 01:29 BST (UK)
This is my grandmothers grandfather,William BLACKADDER born 1863   
Boreland, Gladstones, Liberton, Scotland he was married to Mary JAMIESON
born Abt. 1841. My grandmothers father was also called William BLACKADDER born 1863 he married Mary Brown Richie born 6 May 1863,married 1 Jun 1892, died 1940  Loanhead, Midlothian, Scotland.They had twelve children of which my grandmother was one.


1.Arthur Brown RITCHIE 18 Oct 1885
2.Gilbert Ritchie BLACKADDER Abt. 1887 
3. M George Ritchie BLACKADDER  1889
4. Katherine (Kate) BLACKADDER   1898
5. William (Bill) BLACKADDER          1900
6. Euphemia(Effie)Ritchie BLACKADDER 1902
7.Agnes BLACKADDER 1904
8.Florence Blackadder
9.?
10.?
11.?
12. Mary Jamieson BLACKADDER  1ST April 1896

I am still searching for info as you can see some gaps to fill in,I am waiting on some info from Canada as a couple of the family members settled there.

Regards Catherine




Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: David-G on Tuesday 26 May 09 08:10 BST (UK)
Hi Catherine,

My Margaret Blackadder was born c1776. She's on the 1841 Census in St Ninians, Stirling with her husband James Sinclair. All their children were born in St Ninians.

She seems to be a couple of generations back from the family you mentioned. I had another search for Blackadders, but there are hundreds of them! A surprisingly common name. Maybe we have a link, but can you get further back with yours? I'd like to talk more about this with you.

If you do one more post here apparently we can "chat" via the site!

davidagourlay and you can find me on g m a i l (dot) c o m

David
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: RJ_Paton on Tuesday 26 May 09 11:43 BST (UK)
Hi,

Yes, I have Robert Gourlay (born 1842) - he is the link to the line of my 3rd cousin once removed. However I only have one wife for him, Barbara Ramsay. Do you have another wife for him?

David

Yes, he married Elizabeth Morrison born c1843 in Glasgow  in 1863 and she died in Alloa in    1879.

email sent with details
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: Pam Chetland on Monday 29 June 09 16:31 BST (UK)
Hi David and Catherine

I have a lot of information on the Blackadders in Falkirk Stirlingshire and have been trying to link them to the Blackadders in Stirling, if anyone can help me with that I would be grateful

The Margaret Blackadder you mention b 1776 in Stirling, I think had a brother James Blackadder b abt 1765, the reason I think there is a connection is, they were both in Milton Stirlingshire on the 1841 census and they both had sons who were nailers which in my expereience is very much a family occupation

I have the death certs for three of the above James Blackadder's children, on two of them he is described as a nailer and on the other he is described as a weaver which he probably became as he got older

I also have quite a bit of information on the Stirling Blackadders, all of which I am happy to share

Regards
Pam
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: David-G on Monday 29 June 09 22:00 BST (UK)
Hi Pam,

Thanks for your reply. Margaret Blackadder was my 4 x Gt Grandmother so I am very keen to find out more.

I have no information about her parents or siblings, but I know she married James Sinclair and they had at least 9 children born between 1804 and 1831 in St Ninians, Stirling.

I can't see any connection to Falkirk, but I'd like to speak to you more.

Regards

David
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: DDJJake on Friday 10 July 09 14:11 BST (UK)
Here's some more data on Blackadder of the Falkirk area who married into my RENNIE line ...

Thomas Blackadder  (John, William) was born on 10 Jul 1801 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland. He died on 3 Jan 1866 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. Thomas married Helen Bell  on 9 Dec 1821 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland. They had the following child : Mary Blackadder  was born on 4 Aug 1826 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland.
Mary married William Rennie  son of Michael Bruce Rennie {Blacksmith] and Jean Taylor on 17 Jun 1849 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. William was christened on 13 Feb 1825 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. They had the following children: Helen Rennie  was born on 6 May 1850 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. Jane Rennie  was born on 8 May 1852 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. William Rennie  was born on 13 Jul 1854 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. Thomas Blackadder Rennie  was born on 21 Feb 1857 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.  Mary Rennie  was born on 9 Sep 1860 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. Michael Bruce Rennie [Grate Fitter]  was born on 8 Sep 1861. John Blackadder Rennie  was born on 29 Nov 1864 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. Andrew Rennie  was born on 28 Nov 1867 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. Mary Blackadder Rennie  was born on 3 Mar 1871 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.

Michael Bruce Rennie [Grate Fitter]  (Mary Blackadder, Thomas, John, William) was born on 8 Sep 1861 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. Michael married Annie Miller [Twin][Widow]  daughter of Archiebald Miller [Hammerman] and Margaret Yorkston on 4 Jun 1889 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland. Annie was born on 30 Jan 1859 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland. They had the following children:Mary Blackadder Rennie  was born in 1891 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland. William Rennie [Grocer]  was born on 28 May 1893.

William Rennie [Grocer]  (Michael Bruce Rennie, Mary Blackadder, Thomas, John, William) was born on 28 May 1893 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland. William married Catherine Forsyth  daughter of Alexander Forsyth and Catherine Paterson on 3 Jan 1921 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. Catherine was born on 27 May 1894 in Tillicoultry, Clackmannan, Scotland. They had the following child: Catherine Paterson Rennie  was born in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. Catherine married James Adams Mackay Meikle  on 22 Apr 1947 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. James was born on 12 Aug 1921 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. He died on 13 Jan 1962 in Malinda, Kenya, Africa.

Aye
DDJJAKE
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: Pam Chetland on Friday 10 July 09 15:38 BST (UK)
Thank you for all the Blackadder information you posted, it has already been added to my tree

Regards
Pam
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: DDJJake on Friday 10 July 09 16:36 BST (UK)
Here is more earlier data,
First Generation

   1.   William Blackadder  was born on 23 Mar 1737 in St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland.

William married Jean Burgess  about 1770 in St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland.

They had the following children:

+   2   M   i.   John Blackadder  was born in 1770.

+   3   M   ii.   James Blackadder  was born in 1778.


Second Generation

   2.   John Blackadder  (William) was born in 1770 in St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland.

John married Mary Kerr  on 11 Apr 1794 in Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland.

They had the following children:

+   4   M   i.   Thomas Blackadder  was born on 10 Jul 1801. He died on 3 Jan 1866.

   3.   James Blackadder  (William) was born in 1778 in St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland.

James married Margaret (Carr) Kerr  on 21 May 1809 in Stirling, Stirling, Scotland .

They had the following children:

+   5   M   i.   William Blackadder  was born on 26 Mar 1810. He died on 15 Jan 1859.


Third Generation

   4.   Thomas Blackadder  (John, William) was born on 10 Jul 1801 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland. He died on 3 Jan 1866 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.

Thomas married Helen Bell  on 9 Dec 1821 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland.

They had the following children:

+   6   F   i.   Mary Blackadder  was born on 4 Aug 1826.

   5.   William Blackadder  (James, William) was born on 26 Mar 1810 in Stirling, Stirling, Scotland . He died on 15 Jan 1859 in Sydney, NSW, Australia.


William married Anne Poole  on 30 Dec 1833 in Sydney, NSW, Australia.

They had the following children:

+   7   M   i.   James Blackadder  was born on 26 Feb 1840.


Fourth Generation

   6.   Mary Blackadder  (Thomas, John, William) was born on 4 Aug 1826 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland.

Mary married William Rennie  son of Michael Bruce Rennie {Blacksmith] and Jean Taylor on 17 Jun 1849 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland. William was christened on 13 Feb 1825 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.

They had the following children:

   8   F   i.   Helen Rennie  was born on 6 May 1850 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.

   9   F   ii.   Jane Rennie  was born on 8 May 1852 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.

   10   M   iii.   William Rennie  was born on 13 Jul 1854 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.

   11   M   iv.   Thomas Blackadder Rennie  was born on 21 Feb 1857 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.

   12   F   v.   Mary Rennie  was born on 9 Sep 1860 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.

   13   M   vi.   Michael Bruce Rennie [Grate Fitter]  was born on 8 Sep 1861 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.
Michael married Annie Miller [Twin][Widow]  daughter of Archiebald Miller [Hammerman] and Margaret Yorkston on 4 Jun 1889 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland. Annie was born on 30 Jan 1859 in Larbert, Stirling, Scotland.

   14   M   vii.   John Blackadder Rennie  was born on 29 Nov 1864 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.

   15   M   viii.   Andrew Rennie  was born on 28 Nov 1867 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.

   16   F   ix.   Mary Blackadder Rennie  was born on 3 Mar 1871 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.

   7.   James Blackadder  (William, James, William) was born on 26 Feb 1840 in Morpeth, NSW, Australia.

James married Sarah Waldon  on 6 Nov 1869 in Coldstream River, NSW, Australia.

They had the following children:

   17   M   i.   George Charles Blackadder  was born on 20 Dec 1874 in Grafton, NSW, Australia. He died on 3 Feb 1937 in Grafton, NSW, Australia.

George married Thurza Ann Ruth Taylor  on 18 Mar 1902 in Grafton, NSW, Australia.

Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: Pam Chetland on Friday 10 July 09 19:27 BST (UK)
Hi DDJJake

This is what I suspected, but you have James Blackadder  b 1778 married to Margaret (Carr) Kerr as the parents of William Blackadder b 26 Mar 1810, who on the 1841 was living with his father James b abt 1765 and  his sister Jean, on the1851 census William was a nailer and was living with his sister Jean b abt 1802 they also had a brother James Blackadder b abt 1811 and a sister Agnes who was the informant on her brother William's death cert

I know this because I have all their death certs, but their parents on all of them were James Blackadder and Agnes Robertson, I thought initially that James had perhaps married twice and maybe that is in fact the case, there is no record of a marriage for James Blackadder and Agnes Robertson nor any children recorded as born to them

When I first found the death cert for James Blackadder I thought perhaps the informant had got the name of his mother wrong but when I found the next two DCs giving the same mother's name I felt they must be correct

My email address is (*) if you would like a copy of the aforementioned DCs get back to me this way and I will send them on

Look forward to hearing from you

Regards
Pam

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Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: DDJJake on Friday 10 July 09 20:56 BST (UK)
Pam,
Unfortunately for your hypothesis .....
   5.   William Blackadder  (James, William) was born on 26 Mar 1810 in Stirling, Stirling, Scotland . He died on 15 Jan 1859 in Sydney, NSW, Australia.
William married Anne Poole  on 30 Dec 1833 in Sydney, NSW, Australia.
Aye,
DDJJAKE
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: David-G on Friday 10 July 09 21:11 BST (UK)
In relation to this information:

Here is more earlier data,
First Generation

   1.   William Blackadder  was born on 23 Mar 1737 in St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland.

William married Jean Burgess  about 1770 in St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland.

They had the following children:

+   2   M   i.   John Blackadder  was born in 1770.

+   3   M   ii.   James Blackadder  was born in 1778.



My ancestor was Margaret Blackadder, born c1776 in St Ninians. Do you have any information that she could have been a sister to John and James? Or information that she was NOT related?

Regards

David
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: DDJJake on Saturday 11 July 09 11:11 BST (UK)
Hi david-G

An 1841 Census for St Ninians transcribed from 'freecen' .....
SINCLAIR   James   M   64   Flour Miller    born Stirlingshire       
BLACKADDER   Margt   F   45    born Stirlingshire       
SINCLAIR   Alexr   M   20   Nailer  born Stirlingshire       
SINCLAIR   James   M   12   Apprentice Nailer  born Stirlingshire       
SINCLAIR   John   M   10   born Stirlingshire     

This Margaret Blackadder was thus c. 49 or 48 or 47 or 46 or 45 and born between c. 1792 and 1796 if approximate ages to the nearer 5 or 0 was (as normally) employed by the Census taker.

Aye
DDJJAKE
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: David-G on Saturday 11 July 09 11:31 BST (UK)
Indeed. Typing error on tree. My manual records of course have dob as 1796. I wonder if there is a link with the Blackadders of St Ninians that you mentioned. I've done a lot of digging, but without success.

David
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: David-G on Saturday 11 July 09 11:55 BST (UK)
Re my previous posting, I've been having another look, and I am somewhat confused now. So a bit of thinking aloud here! Apologies if it doesn't make sense!

I have the Census form you mentioned, and I looked at it again, and agree that her age appears to be 45, giving a year of birth of c1796.

On my Genes Reunited tree, for some reason, I had her year of birth as 1776, which would make her 65 in 1841.

Now, I have a number of children for James Sinclair and Margaret Blackadder - as per the following from Scotland's People:

No Date Surname Forename Parent Names/Frame No. Sex Parish City/County GROS Data Image Extract
1 13/02/1817 SINCLAIR ALEXANDER JAMES SINCLAIR/MARGARET BLACKADDER  St Ninians /STIRLING
2 10/08/1815 SINCLAIR BEATRIX JAMES SINCLAIR/MARGARET BLACKADDER  St Ninians /STIRLING
3 18/05/1811 SINCLAIR JANET JAMES SINCLAIR/MARGARET BLACKADDER  St Ninians /STIRLING 
4 24/03/1804 SINCLAIR JEAN JAMES SINCLAIR/MARGARET BLACKADDER  St Ninians /STIRLING 
5 16/04/1805 SINCLAIR JOHN JAMES SINCLAIR/MARGARET BLACKADDER St Ninians /STIRLING 
6 28/07/1813 SINCLAIR MARGARET JAMES SINCLAIR/MARGARET BLACKADDER St Ninians /STIRLING 
7 26/04/1807 SINCLAIR WILLIAM JAMES SINCLAIR/MARGARET BLACKADDER St Ninians /STIRLING


The youngest being born in 1804. Fits with Margaret being born c1776.

However, another relative and I had a theory. Could the Margaret Blackadder on the 1841 Census be a niece rather than a wife? Given the birth in 1804 (and others) with parents John Sinclair and Margaret Blackadder, is it possible the wife died before 1841 and her niece moved in? A niece also called Margaret? Could this explain the use of the name Blackadder rather than Sinclair in the Census?

Any other theories?

David
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: DDJJake on Saturday 11 July 09 12:22 BST (UK)
Yes !
Using the Scottish naming tradition, if Margaret Blackadder was a daughter of William Blackadder and Jean Burgess who had John B. in 1770 and James B. in 1778, both in St Ninians, then she and James Sinclair would name their 1st born daughter, Jean (which they did) and 2nd born son, William (which they did).
Looks a good hypothesis!
DDJJAKE
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: apanderson on Saturday 11 July 09 13:58 BST (UK)
Another wee snippet for you guys ........

According to Michell's pre-1855 Book, St. Ninians Old Churchyard, East Stirlingshire there were 2 Blackadder stones when they carried out their survey (late sixties/early seventies)

1.
1787    J.M.   J.C. (Male Blackadder & wife J.C.)
James Blackadder & wife Janet Rea

2.
William Harvey (son of George Harvey who died 1835 & Elizabeth Jeffrey who died 1811) & wife Euphemia Blackadder died 19th May 1917

There is a note in the book beside No. 2, above, saying that Sir George Harvey, son of George Harvey & Elizabeth Jeffrey) was the President of the Royal Scottish Academy, so presumably a brother of William.

Anne
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: Pam Chetland on Saturday 11 July 09 15:09 BST (UK)
Hi DDJJake and David and Anne

I have downloaded from SP the 1841 census for Margaret Blackadder and James Sinclair, and David they are on the same page as James Blackadder b abt 1765 and his son William b abt 1811 and daughter Jean b abt 1805, I cannot help still feeling that they are connected, I will attach census

Just to add a little more complication, I have found a death in 1856 in Glasgow for a William Blackadder widower, b abt 1780, parents William Blackadder and Jean Burgess so another sibling for John and James. I have searched the 1841 and 1851 censuses for this William and for the nephew James Blackadder who was the informant of his death cert but so far without success. I have also searched for a marriage for this William but again without success, Can anyone decipher this William's occupation on his DC?

I think I have found William Blackadder on the 1851 census he was a Herbalist born in St Ninians abt 1893 so dates are very distorted his daughter Jane was born 8 Sept 1820 in Ayr and he had a son William b 30 Jan 1823 in Ayr and his wife was Janet Johnston

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Anne thank you for your input every little helps and I have found Euphemia  Blackadder in St Ninians Stirling on the 1841 census with her father Alexander Blackadder b abt 1781 in Scotland and siblings Elizabeth and John W their mother was Elizabeth Fraser

My connection is to the Falkirk Blackadders so thank you for the information about William Blackadder and Jean Burgess being the parents of John Blackadder who married Mary Kerr, I had suspected this but could not prove it

Regards
Pam



Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: DDJJake on Saturday 11 July 09 16:48 BST (UK)
Hi Pam & other folks seeking Blackadders ...
Have a look on Ancestry (if you are a worldwide member with Blackadders in your trees).
About 9 others smartmatched with my Blackadder lot ... many clearly in Australia.
Aye
DDJJAKE
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: Pam Chetland on Saturday 11 July 09 20:47 BST (UK)
Hi DDJJake

Just thought I would pass on the new info on William Blackadder  b abt 1780 to William Blackadder and Jean Burgess, I have attached the information

I will check on Ancestry

Regards
Pam
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: apanderson on Saturday 11 July 09 22:22 BST (UK)
Yet another wee snippet ......

There is a plaque in the Church of the Holy Rude in Stirling which reads:

"Near this place are deposited the remains of a brave soldier and devout Christian JOHN BLACKADER, Esqr.
Late Lieutenant Colonel of the Cameronan Regiment
He served under the Duke of Marlborough in Queen Ann's Wars
And was present at most of the engagements in that Reign
He died Deputy Governor of Stirling Castle in August 1729 aged 65 years"


Anne
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: Sarndra on Saturday 11 July 09 23:26 BST (UK)
You might find this interesting.   

http://www.electricscotland.com/history/nation/blackadder.htm

I too have Blackadder in my tree.

My g g g grandmother Eliza BLACKADDER b c1827 , [parents tentatively were William BLACKETER c1878  d1847 and Jane nee EVANS bc1787 they married 1810].  Eliza married James ARBUCKLES and their son James [name deviated to ARBUCKLE] b1846 eventually came to NZ and in Timaru on 28 Nov 1881 married Sarah GUEST from Cheshire .. and ta da years down the track here i am.

Cheers
Sarndra
www.sarndra.com
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: Pam Chetland on Sunday 12 July 09 15:36 BST (UK)
Hi Sarndra

Where were your Blackadders located exactly, it is interesting that one of the Blackadder marriages that I have is for John Blacketer (same spelling as yours) to Mary Kerr in Clackmannan in 1794, I will attach a copy for you

Regards
Pam
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: Pam Chetland on Sunday 12 July 09 15:40 BST (UK)
Hi Anne

Thank you again for your input, I was born and brought up in Stirlingshire and once many years ago I went to a ball in Stirling Castle with someone who was in the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, it was a very impressive place as I recall

Regards
Pam
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: DDJJake on Sunday 12 July 09 16:33 BST (UK)
Hi Pam
A wee bit of advice from a fellow Stirling-er ... I was brought up near the Nailwork at St Ninians.
You may get 'bombed out' if you continue to infringe copyright with attachments. c.f. the top of each GRO image ... and rootschat rules :-). We use the personal message facility to get each other's e-mail address for private transfer of copyright images.

Best to you
DDJJAKE
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: apanderson on Sunday 12 July 09 18:10 BST (UK)
Like DDJJake says Pam - best get that whole image removed!!

So - that's what we're called then ...... 'Stirling-ers'   Never actually crossed my mind before!    ;D

Anne
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: Pam Chetland on Sunday 12 July 09 18:15 BST (UK)
How do you remove it, I am not too familiar with this site The image was put on as an attachment I did not expect it to appear in the form that it did

Pam
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: apanderson on Sunday 12 July 09 18:48 BST (UK)
Hi Pam,

Go back to the post which contains the image, click on 'modify' at the right hand side and that should allow you to delete the image already posted. (The modify button should only appear on your posts)

If you have 'photo-editing' software - zoom in to the appropriate section and crop it to remove the rest of the page.

Anne

Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: apanderson on Sunday 12 July 09 18:49 BST (UK)
Sorry - duplicate post!

Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: Pam Chetland on Sunday 12 July 09 19:38 BST (UK)
Hi Anne

Thanks for that I tried but it did not seem to work, I think in future if I use this site it would be simpler not to send images at all, lesson laernt


Anyway it is nice to meet some fellow Stirlingshireers I am from Falkirk , are you still in Stirling or have you moved as I have

Regards
Pam
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: apanderson on Sunday 12 July 09 20:39 BST (UK)
Hi Pam,

Still here - although as I've only been in the 'Shire' for 20 odd years, I'm still not a local!!

Have sent you a PM.

Anne
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: DDJJake on Sunday 12 July 09 20:47 BST (UK)
Hi Pam and Anne,
For my sins, I am Stirling born and bred, but at least my mother was a Falkirk 'Bairn'.
Aye
DDJJAKE
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: Sarndra on Monday 13 July 09 08:47 BST (UK)
Hi Sarndra

Where were your Blackadders located exactly, it is interesting that one of the Blackadder marriages that I have is for John Blacketer (same spelling as yours) to Mary Kerr in Clackmannan in 1794, I will attach a copy for you

Regards
Pam

Howdy Pam

G grandad James Arbuckle was born c1846 in Crumlin, Parish of Killead, Co. Antrim, Ireland.   There were also a lot of Blackadders in Antrim around this time and a couple of generations earlier so i'd say his mother was also born in Co. Antrim.  I'm still trying to confirm when his mothers Blackadder line came from Scotland to Ireland without much luck, but when i get a few more solid clues i'll send for more certificates which hopefully will shed a bit more light.  His maternal grandparents line [William and Jane BLACKETER] is speculative at the moment but this is the couple that fits the bill the best so far.

Cheers
Sarndra
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: Pam Chetland on Monday 13 July 09 12:29 BST (UK)
Hi Sarndra

Thank you for sending the information on the Blackadders, it was very interesting, when I lived in Falkirk my ex husbands best friend was Ernest Blackadder who was Elizabeth Blackadder's cousin

Regards
Pam
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: Sarndra on Monday 13 July 09 12:42 BST (UK)
Hi Sarndra

Thank you for sending the information on the Blackadders, it was very interesting, when I lived in Falkirk my ex husbands best friend was Ernest Blackadder who was Elizabeth Blackadder's cousin

Regards
Pam

Excellent Pam :-)

Pleased you enjoyed it... and yes it's a small world really isn't it!

S
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk- Rennie in Kilsyth
Post by: TropiConsul on Sunday 28 November 10 23:45 GMT (UK)
DDJJake, I am researching my Rennie family of Kilsyth, Stoneyinch, and Dunipace, and St. Ninians.  Perhaps we have a connection.
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: Waikakalass on Sunday 24 April 11 12:21 BST (UK)
Realise this is an old thread - but just a note my great grandfather was William Harvey - son of Euphemia Blackadder and William Harvey on the gravestone at St Ninians - William jnr travelled to NZ. My grandmother grew up in an orphanage but did recieve proceeds from Euphemia's estate. Sir George Harvey was my Gt grandfather's uncle however I do not think you will find my great grandad on many family trees as he disappeared to NZ. However Euphemia knew of his family as she remembered them in her will. William was also a watchmaker by trade. Willaim Harvey Jnr had 4 children (there were 6 siblings in the family - complicated). He married Alice Ester Bass. He died in Invercargill in 1902 in a cart accident.
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: k3healy on Sunday 15 May 11 15:31 BST (UK)
I also realise that this is an old thread - hopefully it's still being looked at!  My ancestor is William Blackadder 1810-1859, possibly son of James Blackadder & Margaret Kerr.  He married Anne Poole in Sydney in 1833, & died 1859 as a result of a "fall whilst intoxicated"! He & Anne had 8 children, 5 of whom survived him.  My gggrandfather was his son James.

I have searched everywhere I can think of, & can find no record of William's journey to Australia - presumably around 1830.  This in itself would indicate that he was not a convict, but whether he was an "assisted immigrant" or worked or paid his passage, I don't know. 

My questions are, how can I be sure that he is James & Margaret's son, & how did he get here?  Can anyone help?

I am happy to provide details of Australian descendants, by the way.
Thank you in advance
Kim
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: plunk47 on Tuesday 17 July 12 14:42 BST (UK)
With reference to Blackadder Motor Company in Falkirk, can it be confirmed that this was set up by a member of the Blackadder family, and has NO direct connection with the Blackadder estate of the Houstoun-Boswall family.  Alternatively, could one of the Houstoun-Boswall family have been owners / diectors of the Blackadder Motor Co.?
(Reason for the inquiry - we are researching the history of an antique car once owned by the HB family and think it might have been supplied through the Blackadder Motor co (who were Rover dealers).  This would be more likely if there was a family connection) 
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: halcyon on Tuesday 04 June 13 06:43 BST (UK)
Hello Waikakalass
Like your opening statement, I realise too that this is an old thread. However having just been visiting family roots in Stirling (we live in Auckland) our interest has been renewed in research done some time ago by my father. My grandfather and your grandmother will have been siblings. He was John Harvey - the eldest or second eldest I think of the 5 or 6 children (complicated, as you say) of Alice Bass - and my father Ian is the youngest child of John. My father is still alive and living in Auckland, having grown up in the North East Valley of Dunedin. I would love to share and explore the family background further with you. To do so on this forum, we need to each have posted 3 times before we can use the Private Massage facility and exchange email addresses. Simply confirming that you have received this from me will be one more for you, as I understand it.

I so deeply hope that this does come to you and that you see fit to respond.

Sincerely
Simon George Harvey
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: moore-canada on Monday 14 July 14 19:48 BST (UK)
Hi Cathy

I am off the Euphemia Richie Blackadder line in Canada...are you off Mary's line? 

Let me know I might be able to give you some information.
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: xcathyx on Monday 29 December 14 09:41 GMT (UK)
Hi Cathy

I am off the Euphemia Richie Blackadder line in Canada...are you off Mary's line? 

Let me know I might be able to give you some information.
Hi my grandmother was Mary Lang (nee Blackadder) she was Euphemias sister her father was William and as far as I know he was a tenant farmer. My granny's eldest brother was Arthur Richie he had my granny's mothers maiden name for a surname which was Richie x Catherine
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: moore-canada on Tuesday 30 December 14 01:19 GMT (UK)
Hi Cathy

So we are related.  Mary's husband was John Lang?  I have a couple of pictures of the Blackadder siblings taken when my grandmother went back to Scotland for visits when Kate (who lived in Australia) was also visiting. 

Let me know if you would like any information on Arthur (who was a half brother and also moved to Canada) or on my side.

I would love any information you could give me on Mary's side.

Happy New Year
Sue
 
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: xcathyx on Sunday 08 February 15 17:41 GMT (UK)
Hiya, Yes my grandmother was Mary Lang and her husband was John Lang. Granny was from a very large family, I would love to have some pics as you mentioned in your message. Look forward to hearing from you. xx Catherine xx
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: halcyon on Monday 18 May 15 04:07 BST (UK)
I am wondering if Waikaka Lass got to read my earlier post, or if anyone else has any other information about the NZ family?
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: halcyon on Monday 18 May 15 06:41 BST (UK)
Hello Waikaka Lass. Do you have the names of William Jr's 6 children? Thanks, Simon
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: xcathyx on Thursday 15 December 16 23:00 GMT (UK)
Hi, Sorry I have been so long getting back to you. My name is Catherine granddaughter of Mary Lang nee Blackadder xx
Title: Re: Blackadders Loanhead
Post by: moore-canada on Tuesday 27 March 18 22:12 BST (UK)
Hi

I am hoping for any information on the Blackadder family that lived in Jessmine Loanhead Scotland 1915-1935. 
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: xcathyx on Thursday 29 March 18 09:14 BST (UK)
Hiya do you have the names af the Blackadder you were researching from Loanhead Midlothian. Two of my grans sisters lived there, I knew them as Flo and Aggie x
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: xcathyx on Sunday 01 April 18 21:51 BST (UK)
I have sent you an email to stmoore@rogers.com x
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: rtbcomp on Saturday 14 December 19 21:16 GMT (UK)
Hi Plunk47

I've just stumbled across your post re the Rover car.

I am doing similar research for a friend who has a 1925 Rover 14/45 which was owned by the HB family.  He thinks it may have RAF connections, and the original paintwork was badly over-sprayed in RAF blue.

It had modifications to the carburettor and a tow-bar fitted.

I have found a reference to Sir Thomas-Houston RAFVR which seems to confirm the RAF connection, presumably with RAF Chartehall?

Kind regards,

Roger
Title: Re: Blackadder in Falkirk.
Post by: Blckdder on Monday 09 October 23 16:29 BST (UK)
With reference to Blackadder Motor Company in Falkirk, can it be confirmed that this was set up by a member of the Blackadder family, and has NO direct connection with the Blackadder estate of the Houstoun-Boswall family.  Alternatively, could one of the Houstoun-Boswall family have been owners / diectors of the Blackadder Motor Co.?
(Reason for the inquiry - we are researching the history of an antique car once owned by the HB family and think it might have been supplied through the Blackadder Motor co (who were Rover dealers).  This would be more likely if there was a family connection)

My grandad Thomas Ernest Blackadder ran Blackadder motor compamy in Falkirk. His father was Matthew Blackadder.