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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Glamorganshire => Wales => Glamorganshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: maki on Friday 28 December 07 15:36 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help? I am trying to find JAMES MATTHEWS born ab 1853 father BENJAMIN MATTHEWS. On the 14 December 1889 he married GWENLLIAN JOHN nee WILLIAMS (born 1858) in LLANTRISAINT,PONTYPRIDD,GLAMORGAN,they had three children WILLIAM COLEMAN MATTHEWS, MARY JANE MATTHEWS & OAKLEY GEORGE MATTHEWS my great grandfather. Have been unable to find them in 1891 census.
Thanks maki
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Hi Maki,
I looked earlier to no avail and have just looked for a Benjamin who could be James' father but can't one either!
I saw your Oakley as a visitor in 1901 but that is all I seem to be able to find of this family. Perhaps also a death for Gwenllian 1897 which would perhaps tie in with Oakley's birth.
best wishes
heywood
Postscript
Free BMD has him as John Matthews and she as Gwenllian John - where does 'nee Williams' come in to it please?
I then looked for Gwenllian and have followed one - she seems to be married to Evan Kingdom in 1891- so wrong one!
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Do you have James on any census? Or some idea of his place of birth? Or do you know when the older children were born?
I can see Gwenllian in 1871 & 1881, but can't spot her in 1891 so far. There's a possible for James in 1901 as a widower, giving his age as 52 and place of birth as Newport, Wales.
Any more clues?
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Osprey- please see my amendment - if it is Gwenllian born 1858 Lalent - she is married to Evan Kingdom.
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I have found a John Gunter Matthews b 1852 Cardiff - father Benjamin, living Llandadd Glamorgan in 1861 RG9; Piece: 4039; Folio: 30; Page: 21
John is still with the family in 1881 and is a solicitor - does this ring any bells?
1881 RG11; Piece: 5298; Folio: 71; Page: 61 has Mrs Gwenllian John with husband Oliver and children Ann and Mathew. The marriage in 1875 was Oliver John and Gwenllian Williams- getting there ...
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Have a marriage cert showing Nicholas Matthews to Gwenllian John Formerly Williams,on Oakleys birth cert it has father as James Matthews occupation coalminer
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have found oliver John's death 1888 and a possible death for Gwenllian's son Matthew John and also possibly daughter is in service in 1891 but no Matthews for 1891.
Saw birth for William Coleman Matthews so he should also be on 1891. .. deary me :-\
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Hooray ... but is it them - there are two Matthews on same list- John who I thought (sorry!) and Nicholas
1891 RG12; Piece: 4457; Folio 85; Page 39
10 Alm.. Terrace Margam
Elizabeth Matthews head widow 74 yrs b Bridgend
Nicholas P son 37 yrs b Maestag
Gwenllian daur in law 25 yrs b Aberkemfig
Elizabeth Ann grandaur 5 yrs b Tondn
Thomas P grandson 4 yrs b Tondn
birthplaces difficult - would need to check
what do you think?
the children don't seem right and William Coleman Matthews was born 1890.
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1881 it's Alma Terrace Maesteg but hsi father is John. :-\
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would you ever believe it - Ancestry deaths has a Nicholas Matthews b 1852 died 1911 and Nicholas Phillip Matthews b 1854 died 1900.
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Maki,
have you worked out who the people are that Oakley is with in 1901 - that may be the way forward. (or backward). ;D
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Ok Oakley was raised by William Henry Harvey Matthews and His wife Hannah they are with him in 1901 cenus.He didn't know who his real father was untill a copy of birth was required for factorys work act.
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did they say who they were- and what happened to the siblings? Do you know there were just three?
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Just to clarify the birth place for Elizabeth Ann and Thomas P is Tondu pronounced Tondee (It's my husband's childhood home and where I first worked for the NCB) Tondu is very close to Aberkenfig at the bottom of the Llynfi valley where the main town is Measteg
Trees
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I knew there would be an expert somewhere - thank you Trees. This is such a puzzle.
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Info found previously by other relatives MARY JANE aged 3 raised by MRS JONES of MELROSE HOUSE THE GRAIG PONTYPRIDD. WILLIAM COLEMAN probably raised mothers family IE the WILLIAMS
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yes I saw a William C Williams but now Ancestry has gone down!
When you say you can't find them in 1891 - do you have ancestry access to search for these names?
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yes i have
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well in that case I'll leave it to you
best wishes
heywood