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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: greenvalley on Saturday 05 January 08 14:28 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
In my tree I have James Wilson, born 1 March 1831 in Glenisla, Scotland - a produce commission agent who married Annie Noble Simpson on 16 January 1866 in the Episcopal Church in Fordyce, Banff.
In 1871 James is registered in the Dundee Directories as a Commission Agent. Working in 9 Exchange Street, while the family was living at 3 Craigie Bank Terrace. Annie's mother is staying with them and the couple employ 2 servants.
Their children were:
Annie Noble Wilson b 1867
James Wilson b 1868
Agnes Eliza Noble Wilson b 11 Jan 1870
Tomina Margareta Wilson b 27 Mar 1871
Caroline Ferguson Wilson b 14 Mar 1872
All the children are born in or near Dundee, Scotland
But I've been unable to find the family after this.
It is possible that they went to Canada, as I found the following entry: 11316-98 ( Oxford Co) James WILSON, 21, bookkeeper, n/a, Tillsonburg, s/o James WILSON & Annie NOBLE SIMPSON, married Lizzie Alice CRAIG, 15, n/a, James CRAIG & Cassie WELCH, witn: Charles MYERS & Eliza SMART of n/a , 25 Feb 1898 at Tillsonburg
Is it possible that this is the son of my couple? I thought the name Noble Simpson might be rare, but you never know and it probably isn't. I also have no longer any idea where the website is that contained this info.
If this is the correct couple, how would I find the parents etc.
I did check the Canadian ships thingy, but you need to know all sorts of details I do not have :-[- so that was no help to me.
Any advice or help would be much appreciated. :) :)
Greenvalley
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1901 and 1911 Canadian census are both available to search online (free) at www.automatedgenealogy.com (be sure to check actual scanned image- follow link from transcribed page). You should be able to get quite a bit of information on the family.
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I've been looking at that link, focusing the search on Oxford in Ontario but none of my Wilsons are on there :'(
Ah well. I'll try some of the other members of the family.
Great link though, thank you very much ::)
greenvalley
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Hi Green
I think James must have gone to Canada by himself because I have found his mother, Annie M.Wilson, a widow, in London with her daughters in 1891.
Give me a few mins and I will type it up
Indi
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Hackney, London
40 Bodney Rd.
Annie N. Wilson Head Wid 55 Living on own means Aberdeenshire
Annie N.J. Dau 24 Teacher Newport, Fife
Agnes E. N. Dau 21 Lady Clerk Dundee
Tomina M. Dau 20 Teacher Dundee
Caroline F.Dau 19 Lady Clerk Dundee
Willamina B. Dau 17 London, Hackney
Alice Dau 14 London,Hackney
Ferguson Son 12 London, Hackney
William Hammond Boarder 27 Teacher Macclesfield, Cheshire
RG12/192 Folio 82 Page 37
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Hi
Looks like Tomina and Agnes both married in Hackney reg dist Sept qtr 1894 1b 1070 - Tomina to John Bayne Peat and Agnes to Jonathan Prebble.
Both on 1901 but afraid I don't have Ancestry access
Rosie
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This is fantastic. Thank you so much ;) ;)
I'll go and have a look on Ancestry. No wonder I couldn't find them in Canada then.
Greenvalley
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There are some extracted births on the IGI in case you don't have these....
James WILSON - Oct. 12 1868 Forgan, Fife
Annie Noble Simpson WILSON - March 12 1867 Forgan
Agnes Eliza Noble WILSON - Jan. 11 1870 inDundee, Angus
& Tomina Margaretta WILSON - March 27 1871 " "
Caroline Ferguson WILSON - March 14 1872 " "
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And in 1881....London Mx.
Annie M. W. WILSON age 45 (Wife Of A Commission Agent )
Annie N. S. WILSON age 14
James age 12
Agness E .N. age 11
Fornitia M. WILSON age 10
Caroline F. WILSON age 9
Alice age 4 born Hackney
Ferguson S. age 2 "
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Greenvalley
The marriage in Oxford Co that you can no longer find is on this web page, it looks from the 1881 census that J.J. has found you that he could be yours
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~maryc/oxford98.htm
Rosie
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Free BMD has a death for a James Wilson in Hackney 1891....age 60
Haven't found a James Wilson on his own in 1881 census, though....so he may have been missed.
Ferguson Simpson Wilson is on there 1879, no Willemina circa 1875...but perhaps this one...Georgina Simpson Wilson...1875 (no sign of either on 1881)
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I really owe you guys, I have been searching for the births of James and Annie for ages on Scotlandspeople and never found them. Probably because I was convinced they were born in Angus....
Anyway, it does look like perhaps only James went to Canada and his siblings stayed in the UK.
I have looked for the death of James Sr in Scotland but no luck, so it looks that the entry in BMD is correct.
It also looks like Fornitia is really Tomina but that's Ancestry for you.
Now I'll see if there's a trace of James Jr and his family in Canada.
Greenvalley
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The 1881 census transcription ( IGI info, etc, above) is courtesy LDS :)
and it was Indi who found them :D....J.J.
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Sorry Indi I didn't mean to credit the wrong person for the 1881, without you we wouldn't have looked for the rest.
Rosie :)
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Sorry, I didn't mean to mix things up ??? ???- it's just me, never can get things really straight.
A big thank you to all the people who gave help.
However it looks like the couple on the record I found isn't related to my Noble Simpson Wilson, because they marry in 1898 and james is only 21. That's must be wrong because "my" James was born in 1868, so he would have been 30, not 21.
It looks like ot was a Canadian Coincidence after all, but a lucky one for me, because I've found a missing part of my tree due to your eagle eyes and help.
Greenvalley
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Sorry Indi I didn't mean to credit the wrong person for the 1881, without you we wouldn't have looked for the rest.
Rosie :)
Hi Rosie...no probs...we are all in this together...share and share alike!
Cheers
Indi xx
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Sorry, I didn't mean to mix things up ??? ???- it's just me, never can get things really straight.
A big thank you to all the people who gave help.
However it looks like the couple on the record I found isn't related to my Noble Simpson Wilson, because they marry in 1898 and james is only 21. That's must be wrong because "my" James was born in 1868, so he would have been 30, not 21.
It looks like ot was a Canadian Coincidence after all, but a lucky one for me, because I've found a missing part of my tree due to your eagle eyes and help.
Greenvalley
Hi Greenvalley,
I don't think that I would discount James so quickly.
The fact that his parents have exactly the same names lead me to believe that he is your relative. I think he may have fibbed a little bit because he was marrying a 15 year old! :-X :-X
He isn't in England in 1901....or at least I can't find him.
I have looked for James and his bride on the 1901 and 1911 Canadian census...without luck....but I will search more
Maybe he went to the US...maybe he went to OZ.....lots of possibilities.
Indi
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I'm with Indi on this, as those were my thought exactly, that he may have made himself younger for the marriage....but I can't even find the Craigs let alone the Wilsons in 1901 / 1911...J.J.
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In case this is the right marriage for James in Ontario, here is Lizzie Alice's birth:
Elizabeth Craig
Date of Birth: Sept. 3, 1883
Father: James Craig
Mother: Catherine Welsh
Occupation of father: Machinist
Town of Berlin, County of Waterloo
Reg. NO. 034469
Karen
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I'm wondering, was it legal to marry someone that young????
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googling seems to be to be the age of consent in Canada was 12 until 1890 when it was raised to 14.
Karen
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EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEk....I was barely mature enough to babysit let alone raise my own... ;D J..J.
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addition: This needs to be found by several who refuse to believe that the older person in the household is the grandmother as it would have meant she'd had her first child at 15....Wow, it could have happened by 13 for some of these... Tough little ladies...Canada is just recently considering raising the age of consent to 16...