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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: jannorth on Sunday 06 January 08 21:39 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for information as to the rehousing of families that lived on Flask Lane @ 1860. From what I can find out the lane was leveled forthe expansion of Victoria station. Was there something else that happened to Flask Lane first ie flood that destroyed all the houses or were they repossessed for the expansion and if so are there records of where the families were rehoused? My distant relatives were at number 13 Flask Lane in 1851 census.
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Have you got your family in the 1861 census ? This might give you an idea of where they went.
Meliora
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I have tried both the 1861 and 1871 Census with no success. Just hoping that someone may have some other line of research
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Hello
The Wesminster Archives have this on their web site http://www.westminster.gov.uk/archives/
"The 1841 census for Paddington and the 1861 census for the Pimlico and Belgravia areas of Westminster have not survived"
Helps to explain why you cannot find the family in 1861.
Barbara :)
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Barbara,
Many thanks for that I was begining to think they had left the country!
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My family were in Pimlico in 1861 and I spent ages trying to find them. Then I discovered that the records were destroyed. Very frustrating, but at least it's a mystery solved.
meles
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I agree meles - at least you can stop looking!
But why are my relatives always in the missing bits? Part of Paddington in 1841, other parts of London in 1861 and a whole Registration District in Essex (Dunmow) in 1851 >:(
Barbara
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Barbara and Meles,
So what are your plans now? I guess the only option is visiting what remains of the local churches etc to see what records remain. Are you both in the UK?
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For me, it's not the end of the world. It's only one census record missing. And I do have birth certificates from this period, so I do know where they were and don't really need to go to local churches.
meles
PS I live in London
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Hello Jannorth
I am in the UK, but now live in Cornwall, so am quite a distance from London and Essex.
The missing 1851 Essex census is a real nuisance because it is the first one that gives birthplaces. Also I have a few people who died betweeen 1841 and 1861 and it is harder to pin down the correct death registration.
The missing 1841 census might just have had my husband's East India Company ancestors on it. Their house was uninhabited in 1851 when I am fairly sure they were back in India. I believe the Westminster Archives has some other records that may be of help to me but I need to check.
The missing 1861 census is my worst problem because I had hoped to track down on it a particularly elusive ancestor.
You can manage without the odd census return but it definitely makes finding the correct BMDs harder and you always have that feeling that you are missing something!
Barbara
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I wish you both happy searching, I now live in Cape Town which makes research that little more difficult but I have a cousin a little more active back in the UK who has even managed to contact living relatives we did not know of so who knows what will turn up. The worst part is that much of the "easy information" was buried when my two uncles and aunt passed away. If only we had spoken more!
All the best
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I was lucky that my lot were in their twenties and producing children. And the surname is quite unusual. So I looked up births in the area, and when I found a child with the same name as father and grandfather, I took a gamble, and bought a birth certificate. It was the wrong family! :-\ But a second certificate was right, and I managed to trace them that way.
Is that an option for you, Jan? They're not Smiths are they? ;)
meles
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No they are not Smiths but there are turning out to be more Norths and Prater's than I expected! I did follow the wrong lead with a Scottish name and ended up with several generations only to be told that I has picked up one incorrect name, when I bought the correct wedding certificate it shed a whole new light on the whole picture - amazing what a couple of pounds investment can produce!
Where would we be without the internet and on-line Census! Still checking gravestones and such I guess.
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I had relatives living on St Georges Terrace Pimlico which I assume was also flattened by the Victoria Railway line, they moved to Lillingston Street, which also no longer exists.
How did you find out that Flask Lane was flattened?
Kind regards
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By using Google I was able to get some old maps and a few snippets of info on new buildings that had been erected in the location but have not found any definitive information as to exactly what happened. I believe that all the census records for around that time in the Pimlico area were also lost which does not help.
Regards
Jan
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I had relatives living on St Georges Terrace Pimlico which I assume was also flattened by the Victoria Railway line, they moved to Lillingston Street, which also no longer exists.
What a coincidence! My lot were in Lillington Street in the 1860's! No 85 - when and where were yours?
meles
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Ok, if you are interested I am working close to the Westminster archives office next week, although I won't have much time in my lunch hour I am happy to check if there are any old photos of Flask Lane for you.
Kind regards, Chris
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Thank you, undernoted is the information I have. I may have a map and a photo of Lillington Street I could email you if you are interested. Couldn't find the existence of St Georges Terrace until I purchased a map from one of the magazines - it was just on the border of the railway line.
What about your relations - kind regards
16th April 1850 – living at 16 St Georges Terrace when his son William Edmond was born – occupation was a Policeman
1851 Census – Police Constable living at St Georges Terrace, Belgrave
1855 Promoted to Police Sergeant
1860 Promoted to Police Inspector
1861 Census – Inspector of Met Police - living at 63 Lillington Street, Westminster – with Jane, George, William and Catherine
1867 retired from Met Police
1871 Census – Resident for Peabody – living at 5 Southblock, St Marys, Islington only Caroline living at home and niece Anne C Howard who was registered as a Domestic Servant
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Chris,
Thanks for your kind offer, that would be great. I am currently on a ship heading for India (I work on a cruise line) so don't get many opportunities to do research.
Jan
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I am looking for information as to the rehousing of families that lived on Flask Lane @ 1860. From what I can find out the lane was leveled forthe expansion of Victoria station. Was there something else that happened to Flask Lane first ie flood that destroyed all the houses or were they repossessed for the expansion and if so are there records of where the families were rehoused? My distant relatives were at number 13 Flask Lane in 1851 census.
I am in the process of researching my husbands ancestors who also lived at 13 Flask Lane. One ancestor died there in 1860 but later his widow is found living elsewhere. I also obtained a copy of a picture of The Flask Tavern when I visited the Westminster Archives recently The picture is dated 1883.
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By using Google I was able to get some old maps and a few snippets of info on new buildings that had been erected in the location but have not found any definitive information as to exactly what happened. I believe that all the census records for around that time in the Pimlico area were also lost which does not help.
Regards
Jan
Flask Lane did not disappear with the building of Victoria Station. This 1861 map shows the newly station and Flask Lane to the south west http://www.mapco.net/cross1861/cross37.htm
Flask Lane does not appear on this 1864 map (now called Little Ebury St?) http://london1864.com/stanford44b.htm
Flask Lane appears on this 1868 map but not in the same location as the 1861 map http://london1868.com/weller52b.htm
Still checking newspaper mentions of Flask Lane around this period
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My police years were spent between Victoria and Ebury and I wasn't aware of Flask Lane at all. I shall have to do some research. I thought I'd walked Ebury(!) street in that area, and even knew about the long-lost ones.
Martin
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This map shows the area in 1951 https://maps.nls.uk/view/103029615
Flask Lane (the 1868 map location) now part of Victoria Coach Station building.
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Checking the National Archives "Flask Lane, in the City of Westminster" was the subject of a "stopping up order" dated 5 May 1966.
I googled "stopping up orders" for an explanation.