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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Orkney => Topic started by: Tephra on Tuesday 15 January 08 13:24 GMT (UK)
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Hello again everyone. This week it's Miagre1's (George) Scavenger Hunt and I think it's going to be an easy one for you Hunters.
You've done so well on all the others finding out details hidden for years. I'm thinking you'll do the same for George.
Good luck and good hunting.
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Looking for factual documentation for: -
Birth of William Brown Linklater
And
Birth of Robina Cantly (Cantley/Cently) his spouse
WB marries Robina 7th November 1847 in St Hilda’s Church Middlesbrough County of Yorkshire.
He is recorded Sailor / Father – William Linklater/ Fathers occ – Farmer
She is recorded Father – Nathaniel Cantley/ Fathers occ – Gardener.
IGI gives WB’s Bapt as 27th October 1826
Census dating ties in with c1826 as does age at burial. 18th March 1880
Further documentation of age – Will and provenance thereof
The census give his birthplace as Orkney
No positive date of birth for Robina
Census implies 1826 for birth date.
Age at death implies 1826. burial 17th August 1864
The census give her birthplace as Longhope (Hoy) Orkney
Proven Data ends here.
I contacted “The Orcadian” newspaper a Mrs Margaret Watters kindly responded.
Data from Mrs. Watters -
Nathaniel Cantley, Gardener at Melsetter House Hoy.
Burial recorded at Old Walls Church - Outpensioner (no Kew record present)
William Linklater
Census: - Occupation HBC (Hudsons bay Company)
Sasines give tenancy of a farm called Garth and later, various other buildings in Stromness.
Sasines give Wife as Margrat Broun
I would like to prove positive if the above said Nathaniel Cantley and the said William Linklater are the respective parents of Robina Cantley and William Brown Linklater.
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Hi,
The IGI has this - any use?
WILLIAM BROWN LINKLATER
Birth 23 OCT 1826, Christening 29 OCT 1826 Sandwick, Orkney, Scotland
Father WM. LINKLATER
Mother MARGARET BROWN
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sorry - should have read it all :P ;D
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Wow, talk about quick off the mark.............. :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D
Barbara
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bookmarking!
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Hi Tati,
You were quick off the mark! :)
I got W B's baptism from IGI as you see. Therein lies a bit of a problem with different researchers for the IGI getting different dates etc,
George
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Yes, sorry George, saw that afterwards :-[
I think I can ID the Nathan Cantley mentioned by Mrs Watters on the 1841 census for Walls but that's not much help :P
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I'm looking George ..... will get back if I find anything.
Hmmm ...... Hudson Bay Company..... Thats interesting, there was a lot of Orkney men used by them.
Must check the Canada Archives.
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Yes, sorry George, saw that afterwards :-[
I think I can ID the Nathan Cantley mentioned by Mrs Watters on the 1841 census for Walls but that's not much help :P
It would be great if you posted the 1841 census details or anything you find Tati as my original notes are now mostly illegible through water damage.
Nathaniel Cantley, Robina's Father, had a son Nathan, I believe, to Margrat Moir (Moor)
Nathaniel (the gardener) was buried May 23rd at Walls
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Hi Genie,
I have a post diary re. Isle-a-la-Crosse, of 'a' William Linklater, from Manitoba archives via Kew dated 1806.
IF ( big if) that's my man. ;D
This William is also referenced in Robertson's Journals.
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I don't have access to the actual images :-\
1841
Walls, Melsetter
Nathan Cantley, 80, Army P
Margaret, 50
Grace, 5
His son Nathan was already married to Ann, living at Thurso, Caithness:
Nathan Cantley, 20, Gardener, b. Caithness
Ann Cantley, 20, b. Caithness
Andrew Cantley, 2, b. Caithness
in the same household: an Andrew and Margaret Sutherland, both 20
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Hi George
I've been looking on Scotlands people and so far no results for William Linklater, Orkney with those parents.
William Linklater and Margaret Brown (Broun) had the following children in Sandwick:
10 April 1808 - Margrat
3 Aug 1812 - Hellen
The only marriage/banns that I can find is a Margaret Brown to a John Linklater, Stromness, 8 Nov 1804.
They went on to have children in Stromness to August 1825 - a Wilhemina.
I will keep looking for you
Will check Robina next
Gadget :)
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Hi
I'm here ;D
all I can see is
1841;
Nathan Cantley, 80 b c 1761 Scotland. Living in Walls, Orkney, Melsetter, Parish Number 32, and he is a Army P(ensioner)
Living with him is Margaret cantley , 50 and Grace 5
also this from NA:
Royal Hospital, Chelsea: Discharge Documents of Pensioners WO 121/179/1114
NATHANIEL CANTLEY Born [Not Known] Served in 90th Foot Regiment; 9th Royal Veteran Battalion Discharged aged [Not Known] Original certificate of discharge missing. Residence or place where pension paid stated in document. See film image 787 . NATHANIEL
Date: 1814.
deb
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For what it's worth:
Baptism of Mary Cantley, parents Nathaniel Cantley and Margaret More, Kirkwall, 4th June 1820.
Gadget
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:D :D :D :D
Got William's Baptism record - no image though so you'll have to write to GROS.
29th Oct 1826 William Brown Linklater, Parents: . Linklater and Margaret Brown. Place - Nesting, Lunnasting, Whalsay and Skerries, Shetland GROS ref - 7-2-28
I'll PM you :)
Gadget
PS - it's £10 to buy and though you're one of my pals, I think that's a bit much for me but we could work out a system :-\
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It's so long since I was at school, my geography is history ;D
...could this be William Linklater on Scotland 1841? adults in household are William & Margaret.
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also this from NA:
Royal Hospital, Chelsea: Discharge Documents of Pensioners WO 121/179/1114
NATHANIEL CANTLEY Born [Not Known] Served in 90th Foot Regiment; 9th Royal Veteran Battalion Discharged aged [Not Known] Original certificate of discharge missing. Residence or place where pension paid stated in document. See film image 787 . NATHANIEL
Date: 1814.
deb
That's a find Deb! :)
When I went to Kew, I could not find that.
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:D :D :D :D
Got William's Baptism record - no image though so you'll have to write to GROS.
29th Oct 1826 William Brown Linklater, Parents: . Linklater and Margaret Brown. Place - Nesting, Lunnasting, Whalsay and Skerries, Shetland GROS ref - 7-2-28
I'll PM you :)
Gadget
PS - it's £10 to buy and though you're one of my pals, I think that's a bit much for me but we could work out a system :-\
Gadget, that is brilliant. :) :)
Thanks for the PM's - will spend some cash on that certificate.
George
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George
Been having a think - with the No Image, you have to order from GROS (£10) or get someone to have a look at the SNA.
However, if you have a friendly LDS centre in Torquay (which I think you do), you could pop along and order the film of that parish: Nesting, Lunnasting, Whalsay and Skerries, Shetland for a few pounds and probably be able to view and copy it :)
Gadget
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I'm not really up to speed with searching Scotland
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Hi Genie,
I have a post diary re. Isle-a-la-Crosse, of 'a' William Linklater, from Manitoba archives via Kew dated 1806.
IF ( big if) that's my man. ;D
This William is also referenced in Robertson's Journals.
Hi George,
just been reading up on William Linklater, HBC Factor.
If he is your man you have a lot of Meti relatives, he left his mark (so to speak) :D around Isle-a-la-Crosse.
Then when the NWC muscled into the territory he must have gone back to Orkney.
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Hi Genie,
I do (did have) have a PR Baptism of
"Andrew son of William Linklater and an Indian Woman"
Stromness or Sandwick I think it was, around 1808
I do wish the Cleric had written down her name instead of "an indian woman"
so sad.
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"Métis"... (it's Alt + 0233 if you want that e with accent)
Cheers,
China
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Oh dear :-\
I'll keep looking for Robina - but no luck yet :'( :'( :'(
Gadget
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Hi gadget ;D
I wonder if Robina is not transcribed as Rosina ... i had entered Robina earlier and on original it was def. Rosina...maybe the'b' and 's' could be mistranscribed ...just a thought
deb :D
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I've not been putting a first name in just C*t*y - no place all dates ::)
Then narroqing it down but so far - zilch.
Mary seems to have been the last entry for Nathanial and Margaret. It could be that the particular years of the OPRs are missing - it happened to me with my ancestors in KKd :-\
I ahd to resort to the Session Minutes.
Gadget
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Nuffinck in my limited view so far :-\
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Hi ..
who does Grace age 5 in 1841, with Nathan and Margaret, belong to? She seems rather young to be their daughter, seeing as he was 80 and she was 50. ....errrr or am I confused LOL
deb 8)
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Daughter of their son, Nathan, I think Deb
i.e. Grandson or even Gt. Grandson
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eeekkk
ROBINA HOURSTON LINKLATER
b 18 DEC 1830
chr 16 JAN 1831 Stromness, Orkney
parents; Wlliam Linklater and Margaret Brown
soooo ...did william Brown Linklater have a sister and a wife called Robina ? ... what a coincidence if this is his people :-\ :o
deb
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IGI has the parents of Grace as Nathan Cantley and Margaret Moar - she could have had a late birth ::)
or it might have been a grandchild who they had baptised in their name - it was done quite often.
Gadget
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There is also a Robina Grant Watt Linklater b.19 Jun 1832 to James and Jannet Linklater, Sandwick.
Too many Robinas and none fit >:(
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Don't know if you need/want this but possible baptism for Nathaniel senior ?
"Borgue, Senwick, and Kirkandrews were united about the year 1670" - Genuki . Scottish geography not very good :-[
Nathaniel CANTLEY, bapt. 27 May 1764, Borgue, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
William CANTLY, Bapt. 20 May 1762 Borgue, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Ketherine CANTLY Bapt. 11 Nov 1766 Borgue, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Parents George CANTLEY & Grissel SMITH
Source: FHL Film 1067973 Dates: 1746 - 1855
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Now if they came from Kirkcudbrightshire, George, I've got lots of info from there.
Who knows you might be my distant cousin ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Kirkcudbrightshire is in the far SW of Scotland and Orkney is in the far NE but there was the sea :)
Gadget
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The Walls OP record states he was a native of Gallowayshire.
Where's that in relation to Kirkcudbright.
Distant cousin :o ;D
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Galloway is Kirkcudbrightshire + Wigtownshire, George.
You're me cousin :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Somewhere (as he was an old army pensioner) I have a list of all those in KKD who served in the Napoleonic Wars.
I'll have to dig them out :)
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Parish Maps of Orkney and Shetland:
http://scotlandsfamily.com/parish-map-orkney.htm
Parish maps of Kirkcudbrightshire & Wigtownshire:
http://scotlandsfamily.com/parish-map-wigtown.htm
Gadget :)
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ooo gadget ...maybe I am a rellie too ...I see Wigonton ...LOL ;D
remember my wilkinsons/Thomsons ... oooo Lordy
deb :D
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Deb
You'll be an in-law :D
This is all too much when I've got a lot of other work on :'( :'( :'(
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Ketherine CANTLY is on IGI.
Parish registers for Borgue, 1741-1854 Church of Scotland. Parish Church of Borgue (Kirkcudbright)
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IGI extracted - Children of Nathaniel Cantley & Margaret More, all Kirkwall And St. Ola, Orkney, Scotland
GEORGE CANTLEY Christening: 23 SEP 1810
ELIZABETH CANTLEY Christening: 18 DEC 1811
MARGARET CANTLEY - Christening: 04 FEB 1814
ANDREW CANTLY Christening: 07 JUL 1816
NATHANAEL CANTLY Christening: 28 DEC 1817
MARY RITCH CANTLEY - Christening: 04 JUN 1820
Cas :)
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Link to Nathaniel's probable discharge in 1814:
Click Here (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=-4560985&CATLN=7&Highlight=%2CCANTLEY&accessmethod=0)
Oops - just seen that Deb got it earlier - but you can order it online :)
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okay are these all the children of William Linklater and Margaret Brown...if they are it seems like the middle names give clues to previous generations ... hopefully ::)
WILLIAM BROWN LINKLATER 29 OCT 1826 Sandwick, Orkney
ROBINA HOURSTON LINKLATER 16 JAN 1831 Stromness, Orkney
ANN WATT LINKLATER 16 AUG 1823 Sandwick, Orkney
MARGRAT LINKLATER - 10 APR 1808 Sandwick, Orkney
big age/birth gap ..... :-\ :-\
deb
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IGI both extracted records
GRACE SMITH CANTLEY Birth: 17 JUL 1835 bapt. 24 SEP 1835 Walls And Flotta, Orkney, Scotland
Parents NATHAN CANTLEY & MARGARET MOAR
Gadget will know more...but I think the mothers maiden name is given as middle name to the child on occasions in Scotland? This is a good bet that his mother is Grissel Smith, or is it his grandmother, late... losing the plot already :-\
Marriage :
GRACE CANTLEY Spouse: JOHN WILSON
Marriage: 25 DEC 1856 Walls And Flotta, Orkney, Scotland
1851 - Grace in same place working as servant to Stout family
Parish: Walls; ED: 1; Line: 5; Year: 1861.
John Wilson 27
Grace Wilson 25
Margaret Wilson 3
Isabella Wilson 1
Margaret Cantle 75
Parish: Walls and Flotta; ED: 2; Line: 7; Year: 1871.
John Wilson 38
Grace Wilson 35
Margaret Wilson 13
Isabella Wilson 10
John Wilson 8
Nathaniel Wilson 5
Isaac Wilson 3
Charles Wilson 1
Parish: Walls and Flotta; ED: 1; Line: 23; Year: 1881. (Looks like death of Grace, 6 February 1880 at
North Side, Walls, Orkney.- possible remarriage? didn't take him long!)
John Wilson 42
Maria Wilson 36
Isaac Wilson 12
Charles Wilson 11
Thomasina Wilson 9
Anne G Wilson 5
Jemima R Wilson 1
IGI Ancestral file for Annie Grace WILSON 24 Nov 1875, Longhope, Orkney, Scotland. Parents Grace & John, submitters details in Australia available if interested.
Cas
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mother's name or some other ancestor's name is often used - I've got surnames from both sides in my lines ::)
Also Margaret could be More/Moar or Muir (and other variations). Muir was fairly common in Orkney at one time.
Gadget
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Gadget will know more...but I think the mothers maiden name is given as middle name to the child on occasions in Scotland? This is a good bet that his mother is Grissel Smith, or is it his grandmother, late... losing the plot already :-\
Cas
That's where I got the tenuous link to William of HBC
"William Linklater
Census: - Occupation HBC (Hudsons bay Company)
Sasines give tenancy of a farm called Garth and later, various other buildings in Stromness.
Sasines give Wife as Margrat Broun"
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A little visual for you, George -
Parts of Skara Brae with Sandwick Bay behind :)
Gadget
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Again...don't know if this is will help, but found some links/possible contacts
http://www.cursiter.com/
Some who are related to the same line, you can follow up if interested
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ORKNEY/2007-02/1172361060
Cas
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Lovely pics Gadget, beautiful yet quite desolate.
Barbara
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More photos.
Thanks Gadget.
These are what's left of 'Garth'. William Linklater's (HBC) croft
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Again...don't know if this is will help, but found some links/possible contacts
http://www.cursiter.com/
Some who are related to the same line, you can follow up if interested
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ORKNEY/2007-02/1172361060
Cas
Thank you Cas :)
I have been in contact with Helen Linklater (Australia) Same problem though, just that last little link to Robina
George
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Don't know if you need/want this but possible baptism for Nathaniel senior ?
"Borgue, Senwick, and Kirkandrews were united about the year 1670" - Genuki . Scottish geography not very good :-[
Nathaniel CANTLEY, bapt. 27 May 1764, Borgue, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
William CANTLY, Bapt. 20 May 1762 Borgue, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Ketherine CANTLY Bapt. 11 Nov 1766 Borgue, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Parents George CANTLEY & Grissel SMITH
Source: FHL Film 1067973 Dates: 1746 - 1855
That does look very promising Cas
Gallowayshire, at the right time.
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Glad some of it has been helpful, think the records around Robina Bapt. are missing or hidden, although I do think with info on marriage cert, fathers' name, occ, and the size of where they lived, area stated.it is is correct.
Found this on another link, but you prob have it...
http://www.flottawebguide.co.uk/research/opr-deaths/opr-deaths.htm#deaths
CANTLY(?), Nathaniel; outpensioner and upwards of eighteen years gardener at Melsetter House; of inflamation of the kidneys and bladder; he was a native of Gallowayshire; 1843 May 23rd
Beautiful pics, here and on the web during research.....really must visit Scotland :)
Cas
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What I know of Robina's movements is below (a reply to Brambletye who kindly PM'd me).
"Robina born Longhope, according to one census (1861).
Next sighting I have is Marriage at St Hilda Middlesbrough. Address given is simply Middlesbrough.
All following census addresses are Middlesbrough
Grahams Yard (Off Dacre Street) 1851
Linthorpe Mews 1861
Burial recorded in Middlesbrough Cemetery (Ayresome Gardens now) 1864
Mary Daughter recorded birth 1847 at St Hilda Middlesbrough.( birth recorded as Durham 1851 census. Durham Hartlepool on 1861 census)
William Brown was a seaman, so they could have met and travelled anywhere, I guess, before settling in Middlesbrough."
Also one of William Brown and Robina's sons (Nathaniel George in my avatar) had a 'Family Bible'.
In it he records that his parents came from Stromness.
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Hi Cas,
There is a photocopy, although not very good on page one, of the Walls OPR entry :)
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Hi George and everyone :D
Do you know William Linklater snr (who married Margaret Brown) ,his parents?
deb :)
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Hi Deb,
I don't. :)
I'd nearly put money on it, his Father is called William. ::) ;D
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Not necessarily, George ;)
Scottish naming conventions -
1st son - after father's father
2nd son - after mother's father
3rd son after father
1st daughter - after mother's mother
2nd daughter - after father's mother
3rd daughter - after mother
Then it goes with father's siblings and mother's siblings in the same pattern, etc. BUT it wasn't always used ::)
Gadget :)
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Hi George
i have been searcing the NA for you .... There are a few mariner records for Linklater peeps ,,, but I have no clue if they are from Scotland ...I was wondering if the men of this family were all Navy guys ....?
i found these...not sure if they are your relations ...thought I would post, just in case .... ;D
Online Document ADM 188/576
Name Linklater John Baikie , F8269 of Kirkwall, Orkney Isles
Date: 1886.
Online Document ADM 188/1058
Name Linklater Percy George , M20105 of Kirkwall, Scotland
Date: 1892.
arrghhh ...clicked wrong button .... NA has dissappeared ... saw a James Linklater ..naval record from 1818 -? looked just like Nathaniel"s ADM doc ...will try to find it again..
deb
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ahhh here it is:
NA
Admiralty: Royal Navy, Royal Marines, Coastguard and related services: Officers' and Ratings' Service Records (Series II) ADM 29/45/361
Original page number: 361 James LINKLATER; Rating; Born: [Not Given]; Age on entry: 23; Dates served: 1 May 1818-28 March 1843; Date and Type of Application: Whitehall 5 December 1850 . Original page number: 361 James LINKLATER; Rating; Born: [Not Given
Date range: 1850 - 1851
deb :)
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Quite correct Gadget :)
You want to see the William's, Nathaniel's, and variations thereof down over towards today. ::)
Some of the younger generations have called sons 'Nathan' because they think it's 'new' ;D ;D
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Hi Deb,
Only later generations 1914 onwards in the armed services.
WB should have a merchant ticket through service before the qualifying bit was introduced. He ended his career as Master Mariner
His sons -
William Nathaniel - Engineer
Nathaniel George should have a seamans ticket. (Ends as First Officer
James may have but was a 'Marine Engineer'
Robert - disappears into thin air after 1871 census
Baikies are tied in somewhere as are Heddles, Hourstons. Velzians .......
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I'd guess you must have seen this; is it possible Robina had a middle name she is using?
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If these two families of Chalmers are related, have they exchanged their female servants between the two households at some point, and got the names confused on the Census? I know it's a long shot...
Sorry Guys, forgot to put the Copyright declaration - I'll edit my profile to include it in the strapline...
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:D :D :D :D
Got William's Baptism record - no image though so you'll have to write to GROS.
29th Oct 1826 William Brown Linklater, Parents: . Linklater and Margaret Brown. Place - Nesting, Lunnasting, Whalsay and Skerries, Shetland GROS ref - 7-2-28
I'll PM you :)
Gadget
PS - it's £10 to buy and though you're one of my pals, I think that's a bit much for me but we could work out a system :-\
Gadget - you're a genius.
I have the certificate this day.
"October 23rd 1826 was born William Brown Linklater to Wm. Linklater & Margaret Brown of Hoy and Baptized the 2 (???????) by the reverand Charles Clouston"
Brilliant, Thank You.
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Hey.............well done George, and well done Gadget. I'm really pleased for you. ;D ;D
Barbara
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You should see what he said in the PM to me Barbara 8) 8) 8)
Very pleased, George. I have my uses :D
Now can I have a nice piccie of me, please ;D
Gadget
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Don't push yer luck Gadget..........you've got your nice PM ;D ;D
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Miagre,
Is done and dusted,nice one .. :D
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I've still to find Ribena :D
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She's behind that blackcurrant bush :)
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I've just been having another look but so far nothing for whole of Scotland for that broad time period :(