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Looking for any references to a Nixey (Nixie/Nixy) Lovell with a wife named Rachel (born Smith). Rachel was baptised 1811 in Lowestoft, Suffolk.
According to oral history, they had at least two children - Nixey and Dora (possibly Midora) - and eventually ended up in Wigan, Lancashire. No sign yet found of a Rachel with a Nixey in any census.
Any sightings gratefully received.
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This Nixie Lovell couldn't be your Nixie Lovell but seems to fit in to your line some how.
1900 Cook County, Chicago, Illinois
ED 1081
Page 114a
Sheet 5a
Line 10
Horse Dealer
Nixie Lovell, Male age 37, b. March 1863 in England, Parents b. England, he immigrated to the US in 1873 at age 27
Wife: Florence Lovell, age 26, b. March 1874 in England, Parents b. England, she immigrated to the US in 1880 at age 20, she is a Palmist
they have been married 10 years, 3 children born, 3 living
Daughter: Henrietta Lovell, age 7, b. March 1893 in District of Columbia
Daughter: Naomi Lovell, age 4, b. June 1895 in Pennsylvania
Son: Nixie Lovell, age 6, b. February 1984 in Pennsylvania
( Florence Lovell, b. July 18, 1871, d. September 22, 1941 in Kenton County, Kentucky, daughter of Leweland Lovell and Sophia Smith of England )
Lovell, Boswell, Evans, Whorton family's all came to the USA around 1900
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That's very useful - many thanks. I shall follow this up.
Sharon
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Sharon, I know this is an old post but maybe this helps.
The Nixey Lovell that was in the 1900 Chicago census was actually named Nathan. My Boswell and Lovell family were camped with them.
There was an article in the September 23rd 1900 Chicago Tribune titled Chicago Gypsy Camps. In the article it mentions Nixey in the West Camp:
"The best known camps in the city is on the West Forty-seventh street and Western Avenue. For a long time it was home to the Stankovitch party, but they have now abandoned it and only real gypsies are now there. These are Mrs. Seed a fortune teller, her brother, Nathan Lovell and dozen descendents and other relatives of Mrs. Seed. Nathan Lovell under the name “Professor Nixey” is well known as a boxing master, having come to this country in the 80s as a trainer to Jem Mace. Though his home is in New York he was born in a tent and is know spending the summer in the tented camp on the West Side. "
My GG Grandfather Sampson Boswell also was baptised in Lowestoft, Suffolk 1822. Father Thomas mother Temperance Lovell. Perhaps there is some connection.
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Hi KRMMT
What a brilliant find! Really appreciate you passing this on.
Jem Mace and his entourage were closely associated with my Smiths (Jem's nephew Pooley having married Deliah Smith). Perhaps this Lovell migration to the US explains why I can't find Nixey and Rachel in the UK.
Many thanks.
Best wishes
Sharon
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My grt grt grandfather was Samson Boss he had Oliver, Delilah, Moellus, & Phoebe with Susie Gray. His last wife was Susannah (may have went by Janie Rowells) and they had a daughter Rebecca who married Charles Boswell and they camped in Chicago around the same time period you're speaking of. My grandmother was Nellie Boswell and was married 3 times, To a Haight, a Walter Cook (my grandfather who died before I was born, I've never even seen a photo of him) and a Murphy. I am looking for information on my grt grandfather Charles Boswell (Maybe Wainwright) who had a sister named Elizabeth who was suppose to have a casino of some sorts. Or any information on any of them. Any Info would be greatly appreciated especially photos. Thanks! I believe Charles was from the lovell family.
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This Nixie Lovell couldn't be your Nixie Lovell but seems to fit in to your line some how.
1900 Cook County, Chicago, Illinois
ED 1081
Page 114a
Sheet 5a
Line 10
Horse Dealer
Nixie Lovell, Male age 37, b. March 1863 in England, Parents b. England, he immigrated to the US in 1873 at age 27
Wife: Florence Lovell, age 26, b. March 1874 in England, Parents b. England, she immigrated to the US in 1880 at age 20, she is a Palmist
they have been married 10 years, 3 children born, 3 living
Daughter: Henrietta Lovell, age 7, b. March 1893 in District of Columbia
Daughter: Naomi Lovell, age 4, b. June 1895 in Pennsylvania
Son: Nixie Lovell, age 6, b. February 1984 in Pennsylvania
( Florence Lovell, b. July 18, 1871, d. September 22, 1941 in Kenton County, Kentucky, daughter of Leweland Lovell and Sophia Smith of England )
Lovell, Boswell, Evans, Whorton family's all came to the USA around 1900
Just a correction the son's birth year is wrong should 1894 not 1984 :)
Her name is Fiance on the 1900 Census not Florence
These are all Welsh Romany Lovells
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Nixey b 1861 Cardiff - was son of Chisidine Lovell & Mary Lovell he died 1952 Kentucky
Fiance was daughter of Lewellyn Lovell & Sophia Lovell
I have copy of marriage Delaware 1890 USA
Nixey aged 25 - Fiance aged 20
stating parents above
Witnesses Alex C Stewart & Edward Smith
The women could be smiths but I like to see proof before committing myself to surnames
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Also the families you mention were in America much earlier than 1900
Lovell Boswell & Whartons/Warton as they are part of my ancestors
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Many thanks, Tiggi.
I've just had a bit of a break-through in identifying 'my' Nixey using family trees on Ancestry and am now in touch with one of the descendants of Nixey and Rachel via their daughter Madonna.
I appreciate all the help given on this quest here - thanks, everyone.
Sharon
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Hi Sharon,
Have you found the parents of Nixey and Rachel?
Is Nixey the son of William and Fiance bap. 30 May 1813 Preston-On-The-Weald Moors, Shropshire.
And could this be Fiance in the 1841 Staffordshire Census?
France Lovette 45 abt 1796 Umbrella Maker
William Lovette 6 abt 1835 Staffordshire
Jemima Lovette 10 abt 1831 Staffordshire
Best regards,
Roger
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Hi Roger
Yes - we think Nixey is the son of William and Fiance Lovell, born 1813.
Rachel Smith is the daughter of Ambrose Smith and Morella/Mirelli Draper, baptised at Lowestoft, Suffolk, 5 June 1811. She died 16 September 1862 in Tranmere, Birkenhead, Cheshire.
Sharon
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Does anyone know any of the names mentioned below? All are deceased and I am searching for more info on my family.
My grt grt grandfather was Samson Boss (may have went by nellie) his children Oliver, Delilah, Moellus, & Phoebe with Susie Gray. His last wife was Susannah (may have went by Janie Rowells or another name) and they had a daughter Rebecca who married Charles Boswell and they camped in Chicago around the same time period you're speaking of here. They had a son Oliver who died at the age 18. My grandmother was Nellie Boswell and was married 3 times, To a Haight, a Walter Cook (my grandfather who died before I was born, I've never even seen a photo of him) and a Murphy. I am looking for information on my grt grandfather Charles Boswell born abt 1875 (last name maybe Wainwright) who had a sister named Elizabeth who was suppose to have a casino of some sorts. Or any information on any listed here. Any Info would be greatly appreciated especially photos. Thanks! I believe Charles was from the lovell family. He states on SS record his mother was Delorany Lovell and his father Corneilous Boswell.
Thanks!
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Hi
Was Charles Boswell born in England or in the US? And have you found him in the census databases available online?
Sharon
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I am not quite sure, his SS record say Richmond Virginia but I have been told of stories overheard of England. His wife Rebecca does have family that came from there but she was born here Indiana I am told. I found a marriage record of Delorany Lovell & Cornelious Boswell dated Feb. 6, 1861 from Manchester District. It listed Phenix Boswell as Cornelious's Father and Molyneux Lovell as Delorany's Father. But I can not be sure they are his parents and have found no other record of them together or otherwise. I was told he was born a Wainwright but raised by a Boswell. Who that Boswell is I have no idea. The only census I have found of them is in 1920 in Cleveland Ward 9, Cuyhoga, Ohio. He was with his wife Rebecca (Boss), children Robert, Camelia, Oliver, Nellie, Virginia, & Corbit (James Corbit) who are all now deceased. Nellie's SS record shows her being born in Montpelier Ind. abt 1911. She married Walter Cook and they resided in Anderson, Indiana where they are buried. I know nothing of Walter except finding him in a census living in Anderson, Indiana with a Deliety Bowell stating she was his aunt and that he had Brothers in Chicago Ill. I was also told his mothers name was Mary but I have uncovered nothing. I know where all ended up except Robert, but I bielieve he was in Ohio. Oliver Died at 18 and is buried somewhere in Indiana, I believe Indianapolis. Corbit was married to Dovie Stanley and is buried in Richmond Indiana. This is about all I have as far as records are concerned. Oh Charlie had a sister Elizabeth wether he had other siblings I am not sure.
Thanks for any help you may have!
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Hi 2shyeyes,
I’m not sure what you already have so I’m going to post what I found.
This looks to be the baptism for Cornelius
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Cornelius Boswell
16 Apr 1834
BRAYTON,YORK,ENGLAND
Father's Name Felix Boswell
Mother's Name Trinity
This would be Cornelius siblings
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
Mordecai Boswell
26 Mar 1843
Bunbury, Cheshire, England
Father's Name Felix Boswell
Mother's Name Trinity
Bunbury, Cheshire, England
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Emmanuel Boswell
03 Feb 1830
CLARBOROUGH,NOTTINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Felix Boswell
Mother's Name: Trinity
Baptisms for Cornelius and Delorany
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Alfred Boswell
28 Mar 1861
Sacred Trinity Church, Salford, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: Cornelius Boswell
Mother's Name: Deloreine
Old St. George, Staleybridge, Cheshire, England
Isle of Man Births and Baptisms, 1821-1911
Rhoda Anne Boswell 17 Mar 1867
SAINT MATHEWS,DOUGLAS,ISLE OF MAN,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Cornelius Boswell
Mother's Name: Delarana
It looks like Cornelius and Delorany came to the USA in 1869 before Charles was born
New York Passenger List April 28 1869 Wm F Storer
Cornelius Boswell 28 Apr 1869 abt 1839 30 England
Delorany (Transcribed as "Deborah") Boswell 28 Apr 1869 abt 1847 22
Elvera Boswell 28 Apr 1869 abt 1862 7
Susannah Boswell 28 Apr 1869 abt 1863 6
Phoebe Boswell 28 Apr 1869 abt 1865 4
Elizabeth Boswell 28 Apr 1869 abt 1868 10/12
Delorany must have been pregnant when she came over in 1869 with daughter Delorany.
Collection: New Jersey Births and Christenings, 1660-1980
Name: Delorain Boswell
Birth Date: 18 Jun 1869
Birthplace: Hammonton, Atlantic, New Jersey
Father's Name: Cornelius Boswell
Mother's Name: Delorain
I hope this helps. Post if you have any more information that might help with the research.
Regards,
Roger
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One other thing to mention. On the 1869 Passenger list their are other families coming over with Cornelius and Delorany. Smiths and Seeds. I read an article that was kindly given to me from Carleen F. where it mentions the Seeds and his tribe went out west first and then came back to Chicago for the World Fair in 1893. I have Seeds marrying into my Boswell/Lovell tree which also camped in Chicago in the early 1900s. You might want to search out West prior to 1893 for records.
Best,
Roger
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I must say I am very grateful for your help. It is possible then that he was born in West Virginia. I have been told that he spoke of the trees in California so going out west makes sense. I am still a bit baffled by the name Wainwright which has been almost guaranteed to me that it is true. There was concern by Charlie as whether to put the name Wainwright on his son Oliver's Headstone when he died at a young age, 18 I am told. But he went with Boswell by what I am told but I have yet to find his grave. I have been guided toward Crown Hill in Indianapolis, Indiana but still I haven't found his name there. There was also a Delity Boswell that I believe came over from England with her father Samuel Boswell and they ended in Anderson Indiana where they are buried but I have been unable to make the connection to Charles. The only connection was that my grandfather Walter Cook lived with them and was the reason my grandmother (Nellie) came and settled in Anderson Indiana. You mentioned an article someone gave you to read is it possible that I could as well? I am curious as to those names you mentioned (Smiths & Seeds). I may have come across the Smith name before but dismissed it. Do you know where Cornelius & Delorany ended up or may be buried? Also are there any photo's you may have? I have very little as to where that is concerned. I would like to put some faces to the names I have.
Do you know anything about the Bosses? Samson or Nellie as he may have been called was my grt. grt. grandfather. From what I have so far he was from England and came over in the mid 1800's. I found a census from the 1880's out of Indiana where it states (along with another family by the name of Green) he is living with his mistress Susannah Williams who gave birth to Rebecca Boss my grt. grandmother but wasn't born in time to be included in the record. Could this be the same Susannah mentioned as a sibling to Charles Boswell. That may explain Charles having the name Wainwright. Perhaps he was a son of a sibling to either Cornelius or Delorany therefore being raised as a Boswell. There were four other children listed in that census Oliver 14, Delilah 11, Moellis 7, Phoebe 2, it states on the record as "living with their father" which leads me to believe Susannah was not their Biological mother. I was also told he married a Janie Rowells in 1883 but I found no record of this. I just wonder if that could have really been Susannah. It also list his mother Susan Boss 80, living with them at the time and I can't find any thing on her after that. I would love to find where she is buried. I believe my research has led me to Samson's family in England with him being the son of Riley Boss (Heron), I have several names for him and have uncovered many of his children. I have one photo of a brother to Samson whose name was Elias but that is it. I know his father had at least 3 wives. I uncovered records of Samson's children Oliver, Delilah, Ellis, & Phoebe and there families out of Chicago. I have yet to get the whole line of who begot who but I am still working on that part. Again no photo's so if anyone out there can help me on this matter I would greatly appreciate it and would pay for any copies. I would also love to hear any stories anyone may have and would be willing to do so privately. I am new to the site and do not have all the rules down yet to know exactly what is allowed to be shared here. Give me time I will learn.
Roger could we be related? You mentioned your family line being Boswell/Lovell that is why I ask. If you have info into my line more so then you mentioned I would love to see or hear it.
Again many thanks to what has been given!
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Hi
I've got a reference to a Mordecai Boswell (born 1820, died 1873 in Nottinghamshire, England) who used the name Wainwright as an alias. He was a well-known fiddle-player. You'll find him in several English censuses, using the surname Wainwright rather than Boswell. Not sure why.
He registered the birth of his son as Mordecai Wainwright Boswell (1848-1848) and also had a daughter named Sarah Deloraine (1845-1846). So perhaps there's some sort of familial connection to Charles and to Cornelius' wife.
Sharon
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Are you suggesting that Mordecai could be a sibling to Cornelius and Charlie could be his son or that Sarah Deloraine was his mother? Do you know what may of come of Mordecai?
Does anyone know the full name of Trinity who was married to Felix Boswell?
Does anyone know Delorany Lovell's family line, her father listed on the marriage record states Molyneux Lovell at least that is how it looks to be spelled? But he must go by another name. It says he was a Bell Hanger in 1961.
Thanks Sandy
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Hi Sandy
No - I'm not suggesting that Mordecai is a sibling of Cornelius or father of Charles. Just that the use of the name Wainwright in both families may be worth investigation. As I said in my previous post, Mordecai died in Nottinghamshire, England, in 1873. Sarah Deloraine died aged 1 year.
The father of Delorany Lovell is Molyneux Lovell, as the marriage cert says. You also see it spelled as Mollineaux and Mollineux and abbreviated to Nixey. He was baptised 30 May 1813, Preston-on-the-Weald Moors, Shropshire, England, son of William and Fiance Lovell. (See KRMMT's comments earlier in this thread.)
One of Molyneux's wives was Rachel Smith, the sister of my 3xgreat-grandmother Femi Smith. She was baptised at Lowestoft, Suffolk, England, 5 June 1811, daughter of Ambrose Smith and Morella/Mirelli Draper. Rachel died 16 September 1862 in Tranmere, Birkenhead, Cheshire. That's why I'm interested in these Lovells.
I'll need to double-check my notes to see which of Molyneux's wives was the mother of Delorany. From memory, he had three partners. A friend of mine has been doing the research. I'll get back to you.
Sharon
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Sorry for any confusion I have not heard of some of these names before so please have patients with me. Is the Nixey mentioned earlier in this thread any relation to Delorany or her father Molyneux Lovell I have spoken of, if you may know? I don't know of these nick names and only recently discovered Samson/Sampson may have gone by Nellie to my surprise. I heard he died in Chicago but I can't find and records to that effect. Thanks --Sandy (Indiana, USA)
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Hi Sandy
The Nixey Lovell I was looking for when I started this thread - the partner of my Rachel Smith – has turned out to be the Molyneux Lovell who was born in 1813. The Delorany Lovell who married Cornelius Boswell at Manchester Cathedral in 1861 is the daughter of this Molyneux.
I have now checked my notes as to Molyneux's wives. He had three partners:
His first wife was Pheasant Boswell, daughter of Israel and Sibirani Boswell. Molyneux and Pheasant married 23 Aug 1830 in Halifax, Yorkshire, where he is described as being a cutler & brazier of Skipwith. Delorany is a child of this marriage, born about 1836 but place of baptism not yet traced. Other children of this marriage include Molyneux (born and died in 1831); William (baptised 1835); and Mary also known as Lovithan, born c1838, the partner of James Seed, who emigrated to the USA.
His second wife was Rachel Smith by whom Molyneux had the following children: Molyneux (1840-1883); Honor (born 1842); David (born about 1846); and Madona (born 1848, died 1900).
His third wife was Elizabeth (surname unknown) by whom Molyneux had: Jane Matilda (born c1850); Caroline (born 1852); Nixey (born about 1854). This Nixey travelled to and settled in the USA. I believe he is the 'Professor Nixey' that KRMMT talked of earlier in this thread: a boxer who was part of the entourage of the world champion Jem Mace when he toured the USA in 1883.
So the answer to your question is: there were at least two Nixeys in this family - the one born 1813 and the one born around 1854. (And you will also find the name in use in other Lovell families in England and Wales in the 19th century...)
On Samson/Sampson: his nickname may be Neli rather than Nellie. Neli is a short form of Cornelius in some English Gypsy families so it may be useful to keep that in mind when you are looking through name indexes for your ancestor.
Sharon
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Sharon This is great I feel I have had a break-through of a lifetime. So I gather the Nixey that came to the US was a brother from another mother of Delorany if I have read this correctly. The Mary you speak of that married a Seed do you know her children? I was told that Walter Cook my grandfather (who may or may not have been gypsy) mother was a Mary. And he was born in 1885 closer to Charlie Boswells age then my grandmothers age, she was born in abt 1910. I was told he came from Charlies side of the family. Like I stated before I found him in a census living with a Delity Boswell in Anderson, Indiana listed as her nephew but the obituary list him as her adopted son and he was her only heir. I know he had brothers that lived in the Chicago area but I have been unable to locate them. This makes me think that his real name was not Cook. I will see if I can find the first names of his brothers and see if they may ring a bell with you. Perhaps they are apart of the Lovell family. I am going to go back through some of my earlier research to see if I can find any of the new names everyone one has mentioned and hopefully I can link them up with some facts on this side of the search.
Thanks so much-Sandy
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Sharon I have a Delilah in my line and since I have yet to connect a true last name to her mother she may be of interest to you. I have come across the name Smith but dismissed it because I had not heard it before. The Delilah I have was born in the US abt 1869 to Samson/Sampson Boss & Susannah Williams who was listed in the US census as his mistress. The name on her headstone was Boswell so I am not sure what the real truth may be yet.
Sandy
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Excellent information Sharon!
I didn't know Lovithan was from this branch. Now I see how it ties in..
Thanks so much!
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Sharon- Do you know of a middle name for Delorany or perhaps you know a nick name for the name Delorany?
Thanks-Sandy
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Excellent information Sharon!
I didn't know Lovithan was from this branch. Now I see how it ties in..
Thanks so much!
Hi Roger
You're very welcome. I've only recently been given this information by another researcher. He's not a Lovell descendant but he knows a lot about Boswells, his wife's bloodline, and he researches collateral lines. Happy to share it.
Sharon
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Sharon- Do you know of a middle name for Delorany or perhaps you know a nick name for the name Delorany?
Thanks-Sandy
Hi Sandy
Don't know if Delorany had a middle name. We'll have to wait until someone finds her baptism record...As to nicknames: perhaps it could be shortened to Rany?
Sharon
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Sharon thanks!
Roger- The Riley & Lucy in your line are the parents of my grt. grt. grandfather Samson Boss I have a bit more history then what is on your tree.
Parents of Riley
Leshi Heron 1780 – 1851
Seni Boss 1775 – Show siblings Hide siblings
Spouse & Children
Lucy Boswell 1813 –
Naomi Omi Boss 1832 – Silvester Wester Boss 1835 – Isaac Boss 1836 – 1901 Elizabeth Boss 1837 – Moellus Boss 1839 – Nelson Boss 1840 – Samson Boss 1843 – 1916
Other Spouse & Children
Charlotte Mary Hammond 1798 – 1863
Robert Boss 1817 – 1904 Lorania Boss 1820 – Louis Boss 1820 – Other
Spouse & Children
Susan Smith 1802 – 1868
Desibera Boss 1825 – Elias Boss 1827 – 1919 Newcombe Boss 1828 – Deliah Wilhemina Boss 1830 – 1905 Susan Boss 1831 – 1866 Penelly Boss 1837 – Narroly Boss 1839 – Seara Boss 1841 –
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Roger- I wonder if the Susan Boswell born abt 1841 in your line could be my grt grt grandmother. She has a sister Rebecka for whom my grt grt grandmother named her daughter. Also my Susan/Susannah was buried under the name Boswell which never made since to me. Her obituary has her death at 104 yrs old but my family always said they believed it was 102 which would match your Susan. I realize this is not enough for a conformation but I believe we may have something here. I have a death record of their son Oliver and it has both Susannah & Samson birthplace in Oxford. I know Samson wasn't born there but they may have lived there and we may find records from that area. The document doesn't list Susannah's maiden name only says unknown so that is still a mystery to me.
Just a heads up-Sandy
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Sharon- Thanks I will take your tips to heart! I am trying to validate all I have or connect it in some way to my line. I am trying to find the Christening of Delorain Boswell born June 18 1969 in New Jersey to Cornelius & Delorany Boswell but can't seem to locate any records do you have this actual record? Also I was able to locate an Alfred but it was in Manchester not
Cheshire. I would like to find actual records with both Cornelius & Delorany on it. If so I will buy the records but I hate to buy something without at least having a chance to know I have the right family first. There must be another name that she went by because I am having very little luck finding anything on her. I am finding Cornelius but I can't be for sure it is Delorany's husband.
Any help appreciated-Sandy
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Does anyone know any of the names mentioned below? All are deceased and I am searching for more info on my family.
My grt grt grandfather was Samson Boss (may have went by nellie) his children Oliver, Delilah, Moellus, & Phoebe with Susie Gray. His last wife was Susannah (may have went by Janie Rowells or another name) and they had a daughter Rebecca who married Charles Boswell and they camped in Chicago around the same time period you're speaking of here. They had a son Oliver who died at the age 18. My grandmother was Nellie Boswell and was married 3 times, To a Haight, a Walter Cook (my grandfather who died before I was born, I've never even seen a photo of him) and a Murphy. I am looking for information on my grt grandfather Charles Boswell born abt 1875 (last name maybe Wainwright) who had a sister named Elizabeth who was suppose to have a casino of some sorts. Or any information on any listed here. Any Info would be greatly appreciated especially photos. Thanks! I believe Charles was from the lovell family. He states on SS record his mother was Delorany Lovell and his father Corneilous Boswell.
Thanks!
Hi, regarding Sampson Boss/Boswell and Susannah Williams
I believe Sampson Boss to be the son of Riley Boss and Lucy Boswell (daughter of Tyso Boswell)
Susannah Williams was the daughter of Job Williams and Elizabeth Boswell (daughter of Tyso Boswell)
In 1861 census High Bebington, Cheshire, England
Sampson Boss (head of house is his brother Isaac Boss)
Susannah Williams (with parents)
Susannah's sister Rebecca married William Stewart (son of Isaac Stewart and Jane Francis - they are my 3 x gt grandparents)
Susannah's sister Delinda married Joshua Gray
Susannah's sister Lucy married Frederick Young (daughter Richender is in 1861 census with William and Rebecca Stewart)
The Stewart's went to America in 1861 travelling with them was Richender Young
Another sister of Susannah's was Bathsheba who married Uriah Wharton
Job Williams is said to have died in England and his widow Elizabeth went to America (from information regarding the Boswell family by Elizabeth's brother)
Sampson Boss died in 1916 surname recorded as Boswell, father recorded as Riley Bosswell born England and mother Unknown, informant Oliver Bosswell
Marriage: Sampson Boss and Janie Rowells, 11 October 1883, Tallapoosa, Alabama
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Sampson Boss is also my grt grt grandfather and his daughter Delilah is my great grandmother. I am researching this also.
Colleen
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Sampson Boss is also my grt grt grandfather and his daughter Delilah is my great grandmother. Delilah 's mom was Susan Gray. Delilah married Joseph young son of Frampton Heron/young and Louise smith (may have went by a different name) Susan Gray was Sampson's first wife they had 4 Children Oliver, Delilah, Moellus and Phoebe all born in the US.
Colleen
Sharon I have a Delilah in my line and since I have yet to connect a true last name to her mother she may be of interest to you. I have come across the name Smith but dismissed it because I had not heard it before. The Delilah I have was born in the US abt 1869 to Samson/Sampson Boss & Susannah Williams who was listed in the US census as his mistress. The name on her headstone was Boswell so I am not sure what the real truth may be yet.
Sandy
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Can anyone shed any more light on Frampton heron young. Marriage or death record after he came to the USA.
Thank you
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Frampton Young left England 9 August 1855 • New York, New York
Age: 23 - Liverpool to New York 9th March 1855 on SS Neptune with his mother siblings and wife & children
The only death I can find is his son maybe worth looking at place could be parents are there
Name: Joe Young
Birth Date: 15 Mar 1859
Birth Place: Ohio
Death Date: 23 Mar 1933
Death Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Burial Date: 25 Mar 1933
Burial Place: Cook, Illinois
Cemetery Name: Evergreen
Death Age: 74
Occupation: Stock Dealer
Race: White
Marital Status: M
Gender: Male
Residence: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Father Name: Frampton Young
Father Birth Place: England
Mother Name: Louise Smith
Mother Birth Place: England
Spouse Name: Delia Young
FHL Film Number: 1893719
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Hello, Lee once said that through history talk the Dark Youngs being of the original Gipsy Romanys went to America, He said one day a big rain storm came, frogs fell out of the sky, the Dark Youngs then He said came back to this land, everybody can take from this history what they wish to take, maybe the Youngs changed their name again, I wont go on about what happened and how you see things , maybe you have to look back to this land sometimes for the American ones, I bet lots never stayed there and came back for many reasons, Good Luck
michael