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Hi there,
I'm struggling to put a family together that lived in the Cambridge area from the early 1800's. I really would like to ask the assistance of some kind person to look up the Holy Trinity parish registers for the baptisms of the following children of Joseph and Frances Bond for more information:
Frederic Bond - bp 1824
Emma Bond - bp 1827
Francis (or Frances) Bond - bp 1825
Elizabeth Bond - bp 1830
William H Bond - bp 1831
Mary A Bond - bp 1833
Frances A Bond - bp 1835
Caroline Bond - bp 1837
I also have no marriage for the parents. The wife is my relation but her family is phantasmic to say the least. If someone has access to the Holy Trinity marriage registers I would appreciate it if a search could also be done for a marriage for Joseph Bond and Frances Prague or Leach (that's my problem in a nutshell) in the range of 1820-1824. If Frances is found with birth info of any description I have the date of 16 Sept 1803 in Cambridge (but this is family hearsay). Joseph's occupation was that of grocer in his married life but I know nothing of his parents, or of Frances' parents. The Bond family was known to live in Market Hill but apparently Frances did not live a long life. She may have died in 1844 or 1857 and the Holy Trinity registers may contain some information.
Really anything would be an improvement on what I have now.
Thanking you all very much for reading.
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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If you check the baptism index on the Cambs FHS website at http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html, it shows that the last three children were baptised at St Mary the Great, Cambridge, not at Holy Trinity.
Only their first four children were baptised at Holy Trinity - they appear to have moved from Bridge St to Market Hill at some time between 1827 and 1831
The index has no baptism of a Frances Prague or Leach that would fit with the birth of a first child in 1824, unless the Frances J Leach in 1811 at St Andrew the Great Cambridge was a late baptism.
FreeBMD - http://freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl - has a death of a Frances Bond in Cambridge in June 1857
Regards
David
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Hi David,
Ack!!! Thank you for correcting my scant info on the kids baptismal church. Ooooo...sorry for having that all screwed up to begin with ::).
That means I now need look ups at Holy Trinity AND St Mary the Great! ;D Any maybe even St Andrew the Great to check out the Frances Leach baptism in 1811.
Anyone out there who likes a good walk and detective session willing to trudge around Cambridge????? Ooo...forgot it would be cold there..sun is very shiny and hot in NZ at the moment. Wrap up warm.
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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This is on Boyds marriage index
1823 / BOND JOS/ PRIGG FRAN/ CAMBRIDGE HOLY SEPULCHRE / CAMBRIDGESHIRE
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Camdex has the baptism of Frances Prigg aged 1yr in 1804 at Cambridge All Saints, the daughter of William and Frances.
Boyds index comes up with.
1798 / PRIGG WM / LEECH FRAN /CAMBRIDGE ST MARY THE GREAT / CAMBRIDGESHIRE
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Burials
William
PRIGG
Date of burial: 1826
Age at death: 55
Place of burial: Cambridge
Holy Sepulchre
Frances
PRIGG
Date of burial: 13 May 1839
Age at death: 64
Place of burial: Cambridge
St Clement
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Dear, dear, dear Sue,
Please excuse the shouting but DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'VE DONE???????!!!!!! :o
Blimey! You may have just cracked the entire thing wide open. It looks like the surname really wasn't Prague at all but Prigg! And Prague is the one that's been floated down through the years so we've all been floating around in the dark trying to locate the impossible!
YOU LITTLE BEAUTY ;D You rock! You are so cool!
From your little foray into things I've managed to find matching items on the IGI. No wonder we didn't know if it was Prague/Prigg or Leach considering they were the names of the two parents. This is where things start getting weird. Frances Prigg had two brothers, one called Charles who I have now found as a Prigg, and one called George who I'm descended from.
George was supposedly born on 22 Sept 1808 and ended up serving in the army in India as George Leach because that's what he married under. Have yet to get hold of his army records to see if they have a note of who his parents were.
So while I can find everyone else I can't find mine! >:( In the world of family history that's just ravingly typical, huh. To be honest I don't even know if he was their biological brother or just a cousin or what.
So while I still need look ups for the Bond kids I now have the right Frances Prigg to add to those baptismal look ups. Along with everything else you've conveniently parked in my lap.
You are an complete ace! Feel free to keeping dropping bombs like that (especially if you can find George from 1808).
Cheers from a very happy bouncing
Bunny 8) ;D
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I am thrilled that you are thrilled.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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You have no freaking idea!!! ;D ;D ;D When I saw your posts I just goggled for a full five minutes. You're awesome!
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I think you can discount the burial David found for a Frances Bond in 1857 as she is alive and well in 1861 ;D
The 1861 isn't very helpful as it gives birthplaces as just Cambridge. It says Joseph is 55 putting his birth year about 1806. There is a baptism on Camdex for a Joseph bap. 1805 in Thorney, the son of Thomas and Maria.
The IGI has a marriage
Thomas Bond
Maria Brown
24th February, 1801 = Thorney.
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Now not sure on above as just found them in 1851, transcribed as Bouch :-\
This time Joseph is down as 54 and born in Cambridge, :'( :'(
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1851 gives Josephs birthplace as Cambridge St. Benedict, this one appears on the IGI
Joseph Bond bap. 3rd July, 1796, the son of Thomas and Sarah. in St. Benedict.
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There is a marriage on IGI, but who knows. :-\
Thomas Bond
Sarah Baker
19th October, 1794 = Wendon Lofts, Essex
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Crikey, you're on a roll! Not going to stop you at all! ;D
Hard to go backwards when you have little in the way of census material, huh. Where the heck is my George??? Nice to know Joseph is not a figment of one's imagination. Ha ha ha!
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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Well George doesn't appear on Camdex under Prigg or Leach/Leech :'( :'(
Do you know when he married or when he went to India?
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This is very sad = burials
Thomas
BOND
Date of burial: 1803
Age at death: 55
Place of burial: Cambridge
Benedict
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Sarah
BOND
Date of burial: 1803
Age at death: 43
Cambridge
St Benedict
w. of Thomas
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Ooooo...not nice but I suppose a very real fact of life at that time. Will pop into info and see how it flies.
Don't know when George went to India but he's on the IGI as marrying Sophia Smith on 19 April 1853 in Fort William, Calcutta. Doing not too badly on the descent side but George is a mystery. He died either on 26 or 22 July 1859 but that's not proven either and I'm going on deaths of George Leach's in the Indian Mutiny. It's taken me a long time to find their five children but I think I have them all... ;)
It's just the whole who is he? thing that's really winding me up. Did he just make himself up or what? And those Bonds are just as bad to find!!! Lucky for me I have someone as talented as you on the case. ;D
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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Bunny
Are you still looking at your Bond family? I'm checking this family out at the moment, as a lot of Americans think that the name was actually Boud or Bowd. They think that Joseph's (born 1796) elder brother John married as BOND in Cambridge to Mary Ann MODEN. John died before censuses but his widow was always enumerated as BOWD. Their son John William emigrated to the USA c1854 but died in Iowa the same year, presumably as a member of the LDS, as his widow died much later in Salt Lake City. As a consequence there's a load of very iffy entries submitted by members on the IGI. I suspect that all have got it wrong!
David
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Hi David,
Yes I'm still 'Bonding' with them when I can. About the name thing - you're kidding, right? ::) I wonder just how that gem of an error occurred and then who the heck decided to perpetuate it. (throw hands in air in exasperation). Personally I'm looking forward to when time travel becomes part of public transport so I can go back and see all this for myself and sort it out.
I don't know anything about Joseph's family! Can barely do his wife and kids!!! But you have given me another aspect to investigate. Anything you got, let me know ;D
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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Hi Bunny
Actually it's not that far-fetched. An "n" and a "u" can look very similar. Bond is rarely transcribed as Boud, but the more unusual Boud is often transcribed as Bond. And then there is more scope for confusion between Boud and Bowd, but these are more usually merely spelling variations.
The confusion with the Americans comes when John William Boud or Bowd is definitely shown as such in US records, and in the 1841 and 1851 censuses. But he was baptised as what is transcribed as Bond and his parents were married as Bond, as were his assumed ancestors. And his US descendants have rewritten the whole lot as Boud!
I was hoping that your talented Bond researcher would have cracked them, but no such luck! Here's what I've put together, which is different to what you'll find in online trees. Contraryness is my Mastermind specialist subject! It needs checking though
Descendants of Reuben Bond
Generation One
1. Reuben BOND married Elizabeth Asplin on 27 Apr 1736 at Hardwick, Cambs.1
Children of Reuben Bond and Elizabeth Asplin both born at Hardwick, Cambs, were as follows:
+ 2 i. Reuben BOND, b. 23 Jul 1738; m. Mary Warbois.
+ 3 ii. Thomas BOND, b. 15 May 1751; m. Sarah Avey.
Generation Two
2. Reuben BOND was born on 23 Jul 1738 at Hardwick, Cambs.2 He married Mary Warbois on 19 Nov 1761 at Hardwick, Cambs.3
Children of Reuben Bond and Mary Warbois were:
4 i. Anne BOND, b. 10 Sep 1769 at Hardwick, Cambs; m. Palmby Bowd.
3. Thomas BOND was christened on 15 May 1751 at Hardwick, Cambs.4 He married Sarah Avey on 17 May 1778 at Hardwick, Cambs.5 He was buried in 1803 at St Benedict, Cambridge; age 55.6
Children of Thomas Bond and Sarah Avey were as follows:
5 i. Thomas BOND was christened on 19 Mar 1780 at Hardwick, Cambs.7
6 ii. Sarah BOND was christened on 17 Feb 1782 at Hardwick, Cambs.8
7 iii. Elizabeth BOND was christened on 2 Nov 1783 at Hardwick, Cambs.9
8 iv. Reuben BOND was christened on 8 Jan 1786 at St Andrew the Great, Cambridge.10,11 He died in 1786 at St Andrew the Great, Cambridge. He was buried in 1786 at St Andrew the Great, Cambridge.12
9 v. Reuben BOND was christened on 9 Jun 1787 at St Edward, Cambridge; twin son of Thomas and Sarah.13 He died in
1788 at Cambridge. He was buried in 1788 at St Benedict, Cambridge; age 2.14
10 vi. Esther BOND was christened on 9 Jun 1787 at St Edward, Cambridge; twin daughter of Thomas and Sarah.15 She died in Oct 1787 at Cambridge. She was buried on 19 Oct 1787 at St Edward, Cambs.16
+ 11 vii. John BOND, b. 17 Oct 1790 at St Benedict, Cambridge; m. Mary Ann Moden.
12 viii. James BOND was born on 17 Oct 1790 at St Benedict,
Cambridge.17 Not the James who married Mary
Brown in Isleham in 1806. He was older, and not born
in Cambs (Isle of Ely).
+ 13 ix. Reuben BOND, b. 2 Apr 1792 at St Benedict, Cambridge; m. Sophia Bell.
14 x. Joseph BOND was christened on 3 Jul 1796 at St Benedict, Cambridge.18 He married Frances Prigg in 1823 at St Sepulchre, Cambridge.19
It's too big. I'll have to split it
David
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Generation Three
11. John BOND was christened on 17 Oct 1790 at St Benedict,
Cambridge.35 He married Mary Ann Moden on 27 Aug 1827 at St Michael, Cambridge.36 He died in 1830 at St Michael,
Cambridge; John BOND, age 40.37
It's odd that the family is always transcribed as Bond until the 1841 census when it is clearly BOWD.
Children of John Bond and Mary Ann Moden both born at Cambridge were as follows:
22 i. John William BOND was born on 24 May 1827; On Cambs FHS baptism index as John W BOND, son of John and Mary A of Market Hill, Holy Trinity, Cambridge.38,39 He married
Rebecca Lock Bailey on 25 Dec 1850 at All Saints, Cambridge: John William BOUD and Rebekah BAILEY.40 He died on 3 Oct 1854 at Keokuk, Lee, Iowa. As the family was disembarking at Keokuk, the ship's boiler exploded and John Bowd was killed.
He appeared on the census of 6 Jun 1841 in the household of Mary Ann Moden at All Saints, Cambridge; Simon Moden 73 Sawyer; Mary Bowd 43 Ind; John Bowd 13. All born in Cambs.41 He appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 in the household of Mary Ann Moden at Jesus Lane, All Saints, Cambridge; Mary Ann Bowd head widow 53 dressmaker; John William Bowd son Marr 22 tailor; Rebekah Bowd dau in law marr 24. All born Cambridge.42 He emigrated on 24 Jan 1853 from Liverpool.
23 ii. Mary Ann BOWD was born in 1829; On Cambs FHS baptism index as Mary A BOND, dau of John and Mary A of Market Hill, Holy Trinity, Cambridge.43
13. Reuben BOND was christened on 2 Apr 1792 at St Benedict, Cambridge.44 He married Sophia Bell on 30 Jun 1817 at St Giles, Cambridge.45 He died in Dec 1860 at Chesterton registration district, Cambs; age 70.46,47
He appeared on the census of 6 Jun 1841 at Pound Hill, St Giles, Cambridge; Reuben Bond 40 Tailor; Sophia Bond 35; Joseph Bond 20 Tailor; Lucy Bond 9. All born in Cambs.48 He appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 at Victoria Rd, Chesterton, Cambs; Reuben Bond head marr 61 tailor b
Hardwick; Sophia Bond wife 55 laundress b Cambridge; Joseph Bond son (visitor) marr 32 India merchant b Cambridge; Lucy Bond dau unmarr 18 b Cambridge. They were living two doors away from John & Lois Bailey, the parents of Reuben's assumed niece Rebecca, wife of John William Bowd.49
Children of Reuben Bond and Sophia Bell were as follows:
24 i. Eliza BOND was christened in 1818 at St Giles, Cambs; of Pound Hill.50 She died in 1818. She was buried in 1818 at St Giles, Cambs; age 4 mths.51
25 ii. Joseph BOND was christened in 1819 at St Giles, Cambridge; of Pound Hill.52
26 iii. Sarah Lucy BOND was christened in 1833 at St Giles,
Cambridge; of Mount Pleasant Rd.53
Endnotes
1. IGI.
2. Ibid.
3. Ibid.
4. Ibid.
5. Ibid.
6. FFHS, National Burial Index 2nd Edition, Sept 2004. Hereinafter cited as
NBI2.
7. IGI.
8. Ibid.
9. Ibid.
10. Cambridge, Cambs FHS index,Baptism index on CDrom. Hereinafter cited as Cambs FHS index.
11. IGI.
12. Cambridge, Cambs FHS index: Burial index on CDrom.
13. Parish Register Transcript.Hereinafter cited as PR Transcript.
14. Cambridge, Cambs FHS index.
15. PR Transcript.
16. Ibid.
17. IGI.
18. Ibid.
35. Ibid.
36. Ibid.
37. Cambridge, Cambs FHS index.
38. Ibid.
39. IGI.
40. IGI.
41. 1841 Census for England . Hereinafter cited as 1841 Census.
42. 1851 census for England . Hereinafter cited as 1851 census.
43. Cambridge, Cambs FHS index.
44. IGI.
45. Ibid.
46. FreeBMD, online www.freebmd.rootsweb.com. Hereinafter cited as FreeBMD.
47. Cambs bmd index, online www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk,
http://www2.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/db/riddeaths.nsf/AllDocs/0870A4D7D18C8F66
8025708400471018?opendocument. Hereinafter cited as Cambs bmd index.
48. 1841 Census.
49. 1851 census.
50. Cambridge, Cambs FHS index.
51. Ibid.
52. Ibid.
53. Ibid.
Let me know what you think.
I still can't work out why the spelling of John William should have changed from BOND to BOUD!
David
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Holy Forest, BB! Look at all dem trees!!!! How you do dat? ;D
Wow! Thanks so much! That's amazing to see that maybe there's some hope for my Bonds. I notice you don't have the kids for Joseph and Frances but that's probably where I sort of come in. They have not been easy to find (just because I'm stuck over here in NZ), nor have the Prigg family who all decided to die before the 1841 Census (typical). However I shall gratefully accept the information and chew on it.
I have no idea why the name changed! ??? Anyone's guess I suppose. Anything from not wanting the family to find them to some official mistranscribing or mispronouncing it and then it just had to stick. Who knows?
Still...you rock, man!!! ;D
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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I had assumed that you had the children of Joseph and Frances, but if not, 10 mins hard labour from free sites on the internet from someone stuck in France:
1. Joseph BOND was christened on 3 Jul 1796 at St Benedict, Cambridge.1 He married Frances Prigg in 1823 at St Sepulchre, Cambridge.2 He appeared on the census of 6 Jun 1841 at Market Hill, St Mary the Great, Cambridge; Joseph Bond 40 Grocer, Frances Bond 35. Both born Cambs. The kids seem to be living at St Edwards Passage, St Edwards Cambridge; Frederick Bond 15; Mary Bond 7; Frances Bond 5; Caroline Bond 4; Joseph Bond 1. All born Cambs.3 He appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 at 32 Market Hill, Cambridge; Joseph Bowd head marr 54 Grocer emp 8 men b St Benedict Cambridge; Frances Bond wife 47 b All Saints Cambridge; Frederick Bowd son unmarr 26 Journeyman grocer b St Clements Cambridge; M A Bowd dau unmarr 17 At home, b St Mary the Great Cambridge; Frances A Bowd dau 15 b St Mary the Great Cambridge.4
Children of Joseph Bond and Frances Prigg were as follows:
2 i. Frances BOND was christened in 1823 at Holy Trinity,
Cambridge; of Bridge St. The name is enumerated as
Francis, but I have assumed it was a daughter as the
mother is also shown as Francis.5 She died in 1829
at St Sepulchre, 3; of Bridge St, age 3.6
3 ii. Frederic BOND was christened in 1825 at Holy Trinity,
Cambridge; of Bridge St.7
4 iii. Emma BOND was christened on 16 Dec 1827 at Holy
Trinity, Cambridge; of Bridge St.10,11 She died in
1840 at Cambridge.12
5 iv. Elizabeth BOND was christened on 17 Jan 1830 at St
Clement, Cambridge.13,14
6 v. William H BOND was christened in 1831 at Holy
Trinity, Cambridge; age 1 month, of Market Hill.15
7 vi. Mary Ann BOND was born on 15 Sep 1833 at Market
Hill, Cambridge.16,17 She was christened on 13 Oct
1833 at St Mary the Great, Cambridge; of Market
Hill, aged 28 days.18,19
8 vii. Frances Ann BOND was christened on 14 Jun 1835 at
St Mary the Great, Cambridge; of Market Hill,
Cambridge.22,23
9 viii. Caroline BOND was christened in 1837 at St Mary the
Great, Cambridge; of Market Hill, Cambridge, aged 1
mth.26 She died in 1847 at Cambridge.27
10 ix. Joseph BOND was born in 1840 at Cambridge; Pure
assumption from the 1841 census that he was a son
of Joseph and Frances Bond.29
Endnotes
1. IGI.
2. Percy Boyd, Boyd Marriage Index (London: SoG). Hereinafter cited as Boyd
Marriage Index.
3. 1841 Census for England . Hereinafter cited as 1841 Census.
4. 1851 census for England . Hereinafter cited as 1851 census.
5. Cambridge, Cambs FHS index. Hereinafter cited as Cambs FHS index.
6. Ibid.
7. Ibid.
8. 1841 Census.
9. 1851 census.
10. Cambridge, Cambs FHS index.
11. IGI.
12. FreeBMD, online www.freebmd.rootsweb.com. Hereinafter cited as FreeBMD.
13. Cambridge, Cambs FHS index.
14. IGI.
15. Cambridge, Cambs FHS index.
16. IGI.
17. Cambridge, Cambs FHS index.
18. Ibid.
19. IGI.
20. 1841 Census.
21. 1851 census.
22. Cambridge, Cambs FHS index.
23. IGI.
24. 1841 Census.
25. 1851 census.
26. Cambridge, Cambs FHS index.
27. FreeBMD.
28. 1841 Census.
29. Ibid.
David
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Evening, Just come across your post from back in 2008 re George Prague/Prange LEACH. Hope you can help me.
George is my Grt, Grt, Grt Grandfather on my Dads side, his Daughter Eva is my Grt GrandMother.
I know he married Sophia in India in 1853 but know little else about him.
Do you know if he served in the military? I would love to know what you have on him..... :)
Best wishes
CPH
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Dear, dear CPH,
CUZ!!!!!!!! Hugs to you cousin of mine! Wonderful to see you pop up ;D !
I'm SO excited to 'meet' you! You have to tell me if you are from a Niblett or a Thurston. I have been trying to follow them all over the place from Eva but it hasn't been easy.
Sorry to say that George is still my main mystery man. Supposedly born in 1808 and supposedly with that surname. Yes he was definitely in the army but I need to find his army file first before cracking that nut. My notes have him dying on 26 July 1859 and being buried the same day at Fort William, India. Sophia lived until 21 Nov 1901 and she was buried at Fort William the next day.
Seriously I have no concrete evidence of George's existence other than family notes on dates. I don't know for sure about his parentage or where he was born as nothing as been proven. As already noted on this post there is every possibility that George was a Prigg instead of a Leach and this has somehow morphed into the Prague Leach thing. I'm not giving up but it's going to take time to sort him out....only been 10 years so who's counting? ;D
One story I have been told is that the family were well off and that when Eva's sister Mary Ann married my great great grandfather she was said to be marrying beneath her station and she was cut off :(. Do you have any passed down stories??
Please keep posting. When you get to three posts you can contact me directly using the little green scroll which sits under your user name and have private conversations.
I have three Niblett kids and five Thurston kids. No death for Robert Rump Thurston and have no deaths for the original kids except for three of the Thurston's. Have some second and third generation offshoots for Thurstons and Donlans and the odd Niblett. And definitely no photos of George or Sophia.
Feel free to ask any questions or add anything you wish!
Cheers
Bunny 8)
(hopping happy to have another cousin!)
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Evening Bunny, Thanks for getting back to me. I come from the Robert Rump Thurston/Eva Leach side. :)
My Nana (Winifred Donlan) was the Daughter of Francies Thurston (Robert & Evas child) & Frederick Donlan.
George P Leach is turing into a bit of a challenge !! Would love to know more about him...so mysterious! ???
My Dad was born in India and the family came to live in the UK in 1949 when my Dad was 12 years old.
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Hi Catherine,
Just one more post from you and our private line (the green scroll thing) will be open for action ;D !
Aw, so lovely to know where you fit in the scheme of things. I've worked out that we are fourth cousins (giggle). It's fantastic that you are working on the tree and tickling your dad's memory buds. I really love hearing snippets from my dad and uncle when I ring to tell them the latest tree stuff.
Never fear - we will get to the bottom of George! Somehow.
Maybe you can help me. Do you know where Robert Rump Thurston died? I don't have any data for him on his death. I have Eva's but not his. I have to assume it was in India as the whole family seemed to stick around there for a while but there is no record I can find.
Does your Dad remember anything about the Nibletts?
Squeak if you need any help on any family members. I'm very nosey! ;D ;D
Cheers and hugs
Bunny 8)
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Evening Bunny.....here we go with my 3rd post!!
I too have not found Roberts death certificate yet, he has to be out there somewhere!!!
My Dad remembers the Nibletts and playing with the 2 boys, funny but he had forgotten about them until I mentioned the name and you could see the lightbulb switch on !!! :D
Hope to message you again soon with more info, hope you will do the same
Night night!!
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Dear Catherine.
PM coming your way! That means a 'personal message' and that's when you use the green scroll. You'll get a slightly different email notifying you of the message. Just click on it like usual and it will take you to your personal message centre. Just use it like any other email system as it is private.
Keep pressing your Dad's buried memory buttons!!! He just may have the key to us at least finding Robert Thurston's resting place. I have to assume that he would have died in India. It might be a big ask to see if your Dad remembers the country Robert would have died in.
Another person I can't trace is Gertrude Mabel Vere Thurston. Have birth and then christening and then POOF! Into thin air she goes! Don't know if your Dad remembers much about his uncles and aunts. I do have some data but when you are a genealogist one of the satisfying things is being able to hatch, match and dispatch people. Feel like one is being gruesomely tidy or something. ;D
Alrighty, I have a PM to send you.
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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Hi
Charles Prigg, who gets a mention in one of the posts from 7 years ago, is my Great (x3) grandfather. From the thread, it looks like I had an easier route to get to William Prigg/Frances Leach than you had :)
Just wondered whether you have traced them back further
Hope to hear from you, and if you're interested in this branch of the family, exchanging notes.
Steve
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Hi Steve,
So sorry to have missed you in the mix! I'm so interested to hear what you know about our mystery family and their amazing name change act, particularly of Charles the musician because he used the surname Prague (son of Charles the Revenue guy), and his siblings (as I am missing heaps of dates for them).
PM me if you want to do that instead of chat online.
Cheers,
Bunny 8)
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No probs, Bunny
From a slightly ambiguous death notice in a Bury newspaper, I'm currently working on the hypothesis that the William Prigg who married Frances Leach was the son of Robert Prigg of Bury St Edmunds, probably a successful tailor. Think William started in that trade and maybe finished as a carver & gilder
Following that family down has been interesting, including a Secretary of State for Oregon, a surgeon who was accidentally shot in Kensington and a vicar who used to ride to the top of the hill overlooking his parish and see if there was a signal from below on whether it was worth his while coming down (he ended up with a congregation of just 3). Also a name change to Trigg :)
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I don't know whether you've seen this site for all things Leach
http://davidparrhouse.org/
with quite a full history of one side of the family here
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hcr/
Frances Leach was Barnett III's sister
Infuriatingly, that exhibition only came up in my Google search a few days after it had finished
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I've started looking at the Hopkins - makers of the finest brawn in the kingdom - and that's starting to get interesting too - will disputes, brewers, mayors of Cambridge, that sort of thing
There'll be some nice houses to visit when I get the chance
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As for Charles Prague, not a lot about him, I'm afraid. He married in Hoxton, possibly widowed though I'm not sure that they separated instead and then headed down to Folkestone for a life of violinism and artistry (though I haven't come across any surviving examples of that). Didn't trouble the scorers child-wise as far as I know.
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I did look through a film of the All Saints registers for your George but didn't spot him. St Edward's is another church that is starting to appear a fair bit though.
Let me know if you're looking for any specific dates. I'm trying to track all my blood relations so might be in luck
Steve
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Hi Steve, I'm looking into the Prague/Prigg/Leaches too. Myself & Bunny have exchanged a few messages and found we are distant cousins.
What dates do you have fir BarnettIII as I have him as Frances Father.
Sounds like you are local to Cambridge?
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Hi there seasider, depends what you mean by local but I've never been there - I've just seen the LDS films at Kew
I've swapped death dates a number of times for the Barnett Leaches but this is my thinking at the moment:
Barnett Leach who m Margaret Hopkins as 1765 - 1814 - based on a newspaper report that he had to give up running the Cock Tavern in Attleborough in 1812 due to illness. Also there is a Death Duty Index entry on FindMyPast with executor Margaret Leach. There's a will for that one proved at Ely which would probably confirm things either way but I haven't seen it
I have Barnett Leach who m Frances Lee being buried in 1792. I have Frances buried in 1789 with Barnett then marrying Mary Nixon in 1790 who d 1802. This is a guess that I've got the right Barnett but there's a marriage licence somewhere for it. The burials are from either National Burial Index transcripts on FindMyPast or from LDS film 1818407 which is St Mary the Great. I'm hoping to get a look at that film on Saturday.
Don't have everything in front of me at the moment but happy to go through any thoughts, queries and disagreements a bit later so do fire them across
Please note that if I'm on the right lines then I have Barnett II as my direct ancestor from 2 directions as Charles Prigg m Eleanor Maud Leach, dau of Barnett III so I can get confused quite easily :)
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Hi Steve, yes Barnett LEACH (1734 -1792) was married to France's LEE. Their Daughter Frances (1772-1839) is my 4th Grt Grand Mother.
Barnett was the 1st Master Cook at Trinity College, Cambridge University from 1770.
I am a Northerner by birth now living in Cambridgeshire and have moved around the Country due to my husbands work, imagine my shock when I realised I had come to where my Nanas family originated!! Spooky!
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Yes, that's the same relationship to Frances Leach as I have. Which makes us twins? Or are you via the Bonds? Apart from a couple of infant deaths, I only otherwise have another son, William Frederick (who I know nothing about)
Do you have any thoughts on whether William Prigg originated from Bury St Edmunds?
And more importantly, did you know that Barnett II (or III ) only had one leg? There's a poem about him waiting in the newspaper archives on FindMyPast if you have access.
And yes, I can imagine - I recently found someone in the 1851 census living about a few hundred yards from where I'm sitting now, although it's not quite as geographically off the wall as yours
All the best
Steve
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Hi Twin! I'm like you and from the Leach line.
I'm going to have a look for the poem or do you have a link?
William in Bury St Edmonds is on my to do list.
Keep in touch
Catherine
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Just have the phone at the moment but it's dated 1826 in something like the Lancaster Gazette
By a contemporary of Byron, no less
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Make that triplets! Frances is also my fourth GG mother!! Awesome!
Wow, Steve, you have done heaps of research that I had no idea existed. Sea had just found our George being baptised in Ipwich, Suffolk and I had mused if they were visiting family. You pop up and say that you believe the Priggs to come from Suffolk. So there is every chance that they were visiting family or moved to be close to family at that point. You got to Suffolk first so we are all playing catch up.
You mentioned William Frederick? Is he a brother of Frances or a son? I have to start making notes on all this so I don't get confused. My FindMyPast sub doesn't have access to the newspapers (how annoying) so I will have to cart myself off to a Family History Centre to get access.
Cheers,
Bunny 8)
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Hi Bunny
Who's for quads? Ooh, our poor mother :)
Actually, I'm a bit worried about that link to Ipswich affecting the validity of my link to Bury St Edmunds so need to be careful.
At the moment my sole piece of evidence is a death notice in the Bury & Norwich Post 7 Jun 1826 saying
Cambridge, June 5th
Died
On Thursday, aged 55, Mr William Prigg, formerly a tailor of this place
It's that 'of this place' that I think is ambiguous, but I'm hoping a Bury St Edmunds newspaper would only be interested in tailors' deaths if there was actually a connection to Bury
There's a baptism at Bury St Edmunds, St Mary's for William Prigg
Baptism date 23 Apr 1772
Father Robert
Mother Martha
Notes 3y
which just about fits but is still inconclusive, but so far, my best shot
The search continues...
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I have the children of William Prigg and Frances Leach as
William b 24 Dec 1798 bp 21 Jan 1799 bur 1799 All Saints Cambridge
Frances bp 30 Jun 1800 bur 1800 All Saints
William Francis bp 4 Jan 1802 then ???/ All Saints
Frances bp 29 Dec 1804 m Joseph Bond - fully documented earlier in this thread
Charles b 15 May 1805 bp 10 Oct 1805 All Saints m 1828 St Michael's Cambridge to Eleanor Maud Leach d 1874 Mile End, which is my line
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Hi re the spelling of Bond.
Just as a matter of interest, I am descended from the Bonds of Hardwick and have likewise encountered numerous different spellings of the name during my research.
It occurred to me that apart from writing and spelling skills, if the informant or clerk had a
'bad cold', or 'bad hearing' any interpretation could arise in the spelling.
;D
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I have a reverse problem with BOUD or BOWD transcribed as BOND
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Aha ...... so we are in the same boat, so to speak. ;)
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Dear Catherine.
PM coming your way! That means a 'personal message' and that's when you use the green scroll. You'll get a slightly different email notifying you of the message. Just click on it like usual and it will take you to your personal message centre. Just use it like any other email system as it is private.
Keep pressing your Dad's buried memory buttons!!! He just may have the key to us at least finding Robert Thurston's resting place. I have to assume that he would have died in India. It might be a big ask to see if your Dad remembers the country Robert would have died in.
Another person I can't trace is Gertrude Mabel Vere Thurston. Have birth and then christening and then POOF! Into thin air she goes! Don't know if your Dad remembers much about his uncles and aunts. I do have some data but when you are a genealogist one of the satisfying things is being able to hatch, match and dispatch people. Feel like one is being gruesomely tidy or something. ;D
Alrighty, I have a PM to send you.
Cheers
Bunny 8)
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Mabel Vere Thurston
India Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948
birth: 1888
death: 26 February 1888
burial: 27 February 1888 Calcutta, Bengal, India
father: Robert Rump Thurston
mother: Eva Georgiana
The Gertrude part is not there somehow, perhaps an original record might have it?