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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: gbuttery on Wednesday 23 January 08 11:25 GMT (UK)
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Hi, Does anyone know aything about the Sculcoates Workhouse Infirmary? My GG grandmother died there in 1915. Was there still a workhouse or was it just an infirmary? Her death certificate gave her address, so I don't think she was actually in the workhouse.
Just wondered why she would be in a workhouse hospital and not an ordinary one.
Thanks
Gill
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Just doing a bit ofsearching around myself.
Does anyone know, could 160 Beverley Road be the workhouse?
My GG grandfather (husband of the above) had his place of death as 160 Beverley Road, Hull in 1922. Searching around, I have found an address of 161 Beverley Rd which was part of the workhouse. I wonder if the informant thought that an address instead of 'workhouse' sounded better.
Regards,
`Gill
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workhouses were sometimes the only access to medical care that people had thus they were ill and went to the workhouse to seek medical care but unfortunately died.
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Hi Gill
One of my g.aunts died in Hull Workhouse aged 13 of Cardiac Dropsy, in October 1903. She was an orphan, her younger brother had been put into a children's home in Hull (but there is no record of her having gone there) and her older brothers went into the army, her older sisters lived locally, so I'm assuming it was the hospital where she died and not the workhouse as such. Indeed she was one of the witnesses at her eldest sister's wedding 5 months earlier, which makes me think she didn't live in the workhouse. Unfortunately there is no other info available as to where she lived after the 1901 census and prior to her death.
Her death certificate just states Hull Workhouse, her married sister was the informant but it doesn't state she was present at her death.
If you go to www.hullcc.gov.uk/ then click on Family History on the left hand side of the home page, then go down the family history page, you will find a database called Photographs of Hull. On there are photos of the workhouse. I have bought copies of them, but copyright stops me putting them on here.
Lizzie
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Sorry, there are only 2 small pics of the workhouse on the Hull CC site and it suggests they might be a hospital. I have the photographs of the workhouse from another site, I'll try to find it.
Lizzie
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Hi Gill
Try the following page on the workhouses.org.uk site. Lots of info there.
www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Sculcoates/Sculcoates.shtml
Lizzie
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Thanks very much for all that, Lizzie.
I'll have a look around some of those sites.
Regards,
Gill
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Hi
As I understand it, 160 Beverley Road was the address of the Sculcoates Union Workhouse, and anybody that died in there, unless buried by relatives, were buried in a section of the cemetery on Sculcoates Lane (north side), 3 people to a grave :(
Bee
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Bee
Is that cemetery on Sculcoates Lane still there and would it be possible to find out if a ancestor had been buried there? I know another cemetery where another branch of the family were probably buried was badly damaged during the war and now, apparently, has a main road running over it.
Lizzie
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Hi Lizzie
Yes, the cemetery is still there, but it's rather overgrown, or it was when I was last there about 2 years ago.
The East Yorkshire FHS have done the MI's for the cemetery and I know that there is a copy in the local studies section of the Central Library in Hull because I've had a look through it.
If you give some names, I can have a look next time I'm in Hull.
Cemetery with a main road running over it? I assume that's the one on Castle Street near the marina, though some of it still exists.
Bee
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Hi Bee
My g.aunt was called Selina Benson. She died 27 October 1903 aged 13 at Hull Workhouse. Her father died in 1893 (in 1891 they were in Havelock Street, Newington) and her mother in 1901 when she was living in Tichborne Terrace, Bean Street, so not in the workhouse, so I don't know where they would have been buried and maybe their daughter is in a grave with them somewhere.
The other cemetery I was talking about is one that was near Hessle Road. I don't know Hull at all, I was told that cemetery no longer exists.
Lizzie
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I am in a wheelchair at the moment but often drove past sculcoates cemetary, yes it is overgrown and is in a sorry state, a few years ago some volunteers started tidying the place up, sadly to no avail.
I believe the council got permission to 'smarten' the place until the church people found that meant bulldozing the stones, fortunately that was stopped.
The cemetary is next to a Tannary factory, the smell is gut wrenching at times, personaly I think thats its salvation!
What is special about Sculcoates is the art work on the graves, One I am particular that comes to mind is the NEWMARCH headstone, the names of all the battlefields the military bag, sword, rifle and even his hat to name a few.( I think its the Peninsular war)
Another is a carving of an old fishing smack (and the boats name)giving details of the sailor lost at sea..
Finally rows and rows of small stones with just the poor souls initials on them from the workouse.
In my opinion wellingtons a stick and a camera, are worth the visit, but god, what a smell!
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Hi
This link to the Hull archives about cemeteries might be of interest http://www.rootschat.com/links/02lc/
Bee
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Bee
Thanks for the link. I wrote to the Cemeteries dept. about a year ago, but didn't hear anything from the people there. However, I often contact the Hull CC Archives, so will write to them again to ask if they can point me in the right direction.
Antiquarian - You've not sold me on the idea of a trip to Hull, it's a long way from Hampshire. ;D ;D
Lizzie
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I am not surprised you not vixiting Lizzie, anymore flooding you will need a BOAT! ;D
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Oh yes, I'd forgotten the rain. We've had it here too but not much flooding fortunately.
Lizzie
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just driven past this graveyard.
its REALLY overgrown now plus the fencing around it is pretty high with a chain around the gate, padlocked so I'm not sure how you gain access to it now.
Theres alot of new houses being built next door to it aswell so its a little muddy right now
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I geuss you would have to contact the Council.
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I read your message and thought surely not, not after all these years.
I asked my wife if she would drive me there to check it out, ( I am disabled) sure enough it has been fenced in, as we drove up, three workmen drove away.
Apparently while I was in a hospital, a petition went around requesting it was regenerated, I hope it is to do that, and not simply remove the stones.
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if I get chance today (I'm at work) I will try and contact the council and see whats happening with it
it seems a bit odd that only one side of the cemetary is fenced off and the other left open though
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I finally received an answer to the many phone calls on this cemetary. At first no-one had any idea of the whereabouts of the key, but today I received this email from the bereavements dept.
Unfortunately I am unable help with regards to the gates at the Sculcoates Cemetery. The cemetery is still actually owned by the Diocese of York.
I have today spoken to Mr Tony Saxby telephone number 318025 or 331946 who has advised that he is aware there is a chain on the gate, but it should not be locked. Please do not hesitate to contact Mr Saxby, from the area team should you have an further queries
I hope this helps any visitors wanting to gain access
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Mrs Tease
Glad you were able to get an answer from someone at last. ;)
Lizzie
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I happened to go past Sculcoates cemetery today, as we passed we stopped near the gates, about four city council vans were parked up, a gang of workmen were clearing the overgrown grave yard, It looks like they are cutting it well back, I hope so and not getting ready to clear the old stones that are leaning over, but they will need to spend a considerable sum to straighten them up...Fingers crossed, I shall keep you informed.
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Hello,I am sure that the Kingston General Hospital on Beverley Road WAS the old Sculcoates Workhouse/hospital.Just as the old Anlaby Road Hospital(Western General) was the old workhouse /hospital there too-that is now the Hull Royal Infirmary-which has replaced the old one from in Prospect St. My mother in 1950s had spells in both of the hospitals,Kingston G and Western G.Hope this helps.I was born -lived in Hull for years,my sister and members of the family are still there.Jeano
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Can I ask Lizzie please-your Gilchrist-would you have a George William Gilchrist born in Hull 1875 if so would he have married in Hull in 1901?I have a Mignonette Haram married such a man then.Thanks.Jeano
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Jeano
Sorry, no. I've sent you a PM regarding this.
Lizzie
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Thanks Lizzie.Jeano
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further to your report regarding the Sculcoates Graveyard , I can tell you that it is now open (as at 27/07/08) although there is a padlock on the gate it is not locked. I have had reason to visit recently and in spite of the overgrown condition I was able to find a grave I was looking for.
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further to your report regarding the Sculcoates Graveyard , I can tell you that it is now open (as at 27/07/08) although there is a padlock on the gate it is not locked. I have had reason to visit recently and in spite of the overgrown condition I was able to find a grave I was looking for.
Thanks, that's good to know, maybe it was temporarily closed
while they checked or repaired any damage from last years flood.
Bee :)
ps. welcome to rootschat :D
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According to his birth certificate my grandfather was born in Sculcoates workhouse 162 Beverley road in February 1901 my great grandmother his mother was at the time was a widow (I cant find any workhouse records) but when the census took place a month later his mother was back living with her parents (granddad not listed) she eventually moved and remarried and my granddad was brought up by her 2nd husband. I understand the shame attached to these circumstances in those days but we are wondering if her family wouldn't have her at home for the birth or if she went to the workhouse for medical assistance Any thoughts
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Hi Anne and welcome to Rootschat,
Here is some info on Hull Workhouses that may help:
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Hull/Hull.shtml
Carol
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Thank you Carole I did have some of this information but I thankyou anyway What I am hoping to find is actual records of the workhouse
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Here is another link that may be of help Ann:
http://www.eyfhs.org.uk/content/helper/helping-history.php
Carolwithoutan "e" ;D
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Hi
I am a volunteer at the Sculcoates Northern Cemetery and it has been recognised as part of a green wildlife corridor running through Hull with a high score for biodiversity. It has been renovated by the Sculcoates Neighbourhood Association and Friends of the Earth, among others. It is open to the public and the gates or not locked even though they look like they might be :o
On Saturday we had an event day where members of the public and other organisations like the local family history group attended to share information about relatives that may have been buried there.
Certain graves have been identified by members of the public and a path to those graves have been cut through the vegetation. Unattended graves will be maintained as a managed wildlife area.
It really is a beautiful place to visit (I think) but a large project nonetheless and hopefully in time the litter ridden, overgrown cemetery on the south side will get the same treatment.
Here is a link to the Family History Group in the area if anyone would like any more information.
http://www.sculcoatesneighbourhoodassociation.co.uk/SNA/Family_History_Group.html
and as my interest is more directed at the wildlife side of things I have created a website to focus on that.
http://www.sculcoates.info
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It really is a beautiful place to visit (I think) but a large project nonetheless and hopefully in time the litter ridden, overgrown cemetery on the south side will get the same treatment.
Totally agree it's almost a world of it's own.
I paid a brief visit yesterday and though it was warm and sunny I think I'll take someone with me next time, though I was surprised by how well some of the headstones have stood the test of time.
Bee
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I doubt anyone who died in the workhouse would have a gravestone.
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I doubt anyone who died in the workhouse would have a gravestone.
There is a section at the back of the cemetery where people from the workhouse are buried and they all have gravestones. they are about 2ft in height and all exactly the same.
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It really is a beautiful place to visit (I think) but a large project nonetheless and hopefully in time the litter ridden, overgrown cemetery on the south side will get the same treatment.
Totally agree it's almost a world of it's own.
I paid a brief visit yesterday and though it was warm and sunny I think I'll take someone with me next time, though I was surprised by how well some of the headstones have stood the test of time.
Bee
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Yes it's a great place isn't it!
We are meeting there tomorrow to do some more gardening work if anyone from Hull is interested. ;D 1.00pm
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Homesoil - Are the names on the stones of the inmates of the workhouse visible? I don't know if my g.aunt would be buried there, as she died in the workhouse hospital, or with her parents. Not that I know where her parents were buried either. ::)
Lizzie
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Homesoil - Are the names on the stones of the inmates of the workhouse visible? I don't know if my g.aunt would be buried there, as she died in the workhouse hospital, or with her parents. Not that I know where her parents were buried either. ::)
Lizzie
I am told there are 3 names to each stone.
I don't know if they are legible but I will be back there on Friday so I will try and find out for you.
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Many thanks Homesoil. The name I'm interested in is Selina Benson, died 23.10.1903 in the workhouse (I'm assuming she was only in the hospital as she had other siblings, although the youngest was in an orphanage). Her parents died in 1893 and 1901, so it may be that her grave is wherever theirs is.
Lizzie
ps. Should have said she was only 13 when she died of heart problems.
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Hi
I have been reading through all the info on cemeteries and am wondering if anyone knows anything about the 6 Jewish cemeteries in Hull and whether records are available.
I am not in the UK and cannot get to Hull physically, but maybe there is some online access :D
Many thanks
Sara
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Many thanks Homesoil. The name I'm interested in is Selina Benson, died 23.10.1903 in the workhouse (I'm assuming she was only in the hospital as she had other siblings, although the youngest was in an orphanage). Her parents died in 1893 and 1901, so it may be that her grave is wherever theirs is.
Lizzie
ps. Should have said she was only 13 when she died of heart problems.
Hi, Lizzie I was unable to check out each stone individually but at a glance I could tell that some were in good condition and they could be read and others weren't.
I was told however, that there are records in Hull's Local History of all the poor people buried in the cemetery.
Hope this helps?
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Hi
I have been reading through all the info on cemeteries and am wondering if anyone knows anything about the 6 Jewish cemeteries in Hull and whether records are available.
I am not in the UK and cannot get to Hull physically, but maybe there is some online access :D
Many thanks
Sara
Hi there Sara
One of my best friends lives close by to the jewish cemetery at the bottom of Ella Street in Hull and I would imagine she could give me some information as I know she has taken an interest in that cemetery.
Unfortunately I am not in the UK myself at the moment either but I will try and remember to enquire about them on my return.
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Thanks so much, thats fab news.
Sara
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Thank you Homesoil.
One more thing to add to my list of Hull Archives look ups ;D
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Hi
I have been reading through all the info on cemeteries and am wondering if anyone knows anything about the 6 Jewish cemeteries in Hull and whether records are available.
I am not in the UK and cannot get to Hull physically, but maybe there is some online access :D
Many thanks
Sara
Hi Sara
There are 6 Jewish cemeteries in Hull - information can be found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/Community/HullSixJewishCemeteries.htm
They are all locked but a key can be obtained to visit them - further info here
http://iajgs.org/cemetery/england-other-than-london/hull-yorkshire.html
I don't know about the Jewish ones but all persons buried in Hull cemeteries can be traced through the cemetery records held in the new History Centre in Hull.
Chris
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Hi seem to have gone from Sculcoates workhouse to cemetries!!
To clarify the original query; the Sculcoates union workhouse became Kingston General hospital and has now become a school.
From the Sculcoates Neighbourhood Assn newsletter.
The opening of Endeavour High School.
The site it occupies already had a long and important history. Many will remember it
as the location of Kingston General Hospital, but the building itself began life, 1843-5,
as Sculcoates Union Workhouse, designed by the distinguished Hull architect, H. F.
Lockwood.
It was a fine piece of Victorian Gothic architecture, costing what was then the
immense sum of £11,000. Even though its purpose was to house people who in those
harsh times were bluntly called paupers, the Hull Advertiser was so overwhelmed by
its appearance that it described it as a
beautiful and immense structure which would
not disgrace the residence of a nobleman.
It was a huge organization with all the
facilities including wash houses, tailors' shops
and shoemakers' shops required for its
inmates, originally 500 but later many more.
Carried away by enthusiasm, the reporter
went completely over the top. The paupers'
rooms he wrote, were spacious, light, airy and
commanded views which would be envied by many of the town's wealthy inhabitants.
Yet it was no fun being a pauper with no option but to enter the workhouse.
Conditions and attitudes improved and the words 'pauper' and 'workhouse' were
eventually consigned to history books. Sculcoates Union Workhouse became the
Beverley Road Institution and, after 1948, with the introduction of the National
Health Service, Kingston General Hospital
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The records that exist are in the Hull History centre - this may help
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/hospitalrecords/details.asp?id=453&page=31&hospit=
The workhouse closed in 1929 when it became a hospital. In 1948 it became Kingston General Hospital in the new NHS. It was demolished in 2002.
I worked there between 1966 and 2000 as part of my job.
Chris
Thank you Carole I did have some of this information but I thankyou anyway What I am hoping to find is actual records of the workhouse
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My Mother was a nurse at the hospital (Circa 1919) and could remember that the hospital's Chief Doctor who was nicknamed Dr. Salversen.( that was the treatment for syphilis in those days) usually dressed very badly, and told a tale about himself. The workhouse provided a meal and a room for the night but you had to be there before 6:00p.m. There was always a rush of tramps down the street to get in before gate closure and one of them called out to the doctor who was going to the hospital, "Hurry up mate, or you'll be late!"
I was told that each of the rooms had a grill in the concrete floor and a pile of rocks and a sledgehammer beside it. Before being released from the locked room in the morning the person had to break up the rocks to pass through the grill into a wheelbarrow placed below the grill. Payment for the room and board!
Later on, the rooms were used for storage and the grills were filled in with concrete.
I often wonder how this would work today in caring for the homeless?
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I lived down Sculcoates Lane for a number of years and walked my dog in the old cemeteries of Sculcoates Lane and there were numerous wooden crosses or empty spaces for children's graves lost from various epidemics in the workhouse so I was told. It's probably been mentioned that this cemetery with the children's graves in from the workhouse now has a newish housing development next to it where Needlers factory used to be.
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A great-great Uncle was an "inmate" according to the 1911 census. He was 78 at the time. Probably died there. (William Pinder, B1833 • North Burton. Do not have a date when he passed away.)
Wish I could visit, but to far away. Wonder if there was a headstone with his name on it? You think the Hull History has an online archive with the information?
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Would this be him:
William Pinder
Death Age: 84
Birth Date: abt 1832
Registration Date: Mar 1916
Registration district: Sculcoates
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 290
The History Centre don't have the Monumental Inscriptions online but you could contact them
http://catalogue.hullhistorycentre.org.uk/
or here:
http://www2.eastriding.gov.uk/leisure/the-treasure-house/
Yo will need his DOD though first.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
Carol
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Thank you most kindly. How did you get that info., by the way?
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You are welcome...the details are from Ancestry website. It will also be on the FreeBMD website.
Carol