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Title: Scarrott family
Post by: tiggi on Sunday 27 January 08 22:46 GMT (UK)
Can anyone help with finding out about  William Scarrott married Margaret Whitehouse 16th Sept 1793 Cannock
They possibly had 2 sons William & John
need some help please
family were earthen ware dealers
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: suziet on Sunday 27 January 08 23:18 GMT (UK)
Hi

Don't have information as such, but I live in Northampton and there is a family called Scarrott who still (well I think) have a travelling fair.

Sue
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: colleena on Monday 28 January 08 01:47 GMT (UK)
Hi Tiggi

John Scarrott..............  Parents William and Margaret (Whitehouse)

Christened 7/10/1796 Cannock Stafford
Died 1/4/1851 Wootton Berks
Buried 5/4/1851 Ramsdon Oxford

Marriage Sarah Dore........ 23/3/1818 Charlbury Oxford.

Colleen
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: colleena on Monday 28 January 08 06:44 GMT (UK)
Hi again Tiggi

Still no luck finding William, but have found a few more children of William & Margaret (Whithouse),

Mary Ann  Christened  26/4/1807  Witney Oxford
Priscilla           "           12/2/1809   Witney Oxford

Eliza                "          10/4/1812   Witney Oxford
Buried 25/5/1858  St Thomas Oxford
(Marriage5/10/1830 to William Dore Charlbury Oxford)

Charles           "            11/6/1815   Witney  Oxford  died 1871
Rebecca          "            15/5/1817   Charlbury Oxford 


Probably more children including William will keep looking, seems this branch of the Scarrott's married into the Dore's a fair bit,

Colleen
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: tiggi on Monday 28 January 08 11:05 GMT (UK)
Marriage for William Scarrott & Margaret Whitehouse
16th Sept 1793 Cannock Staffordshire

Still trying to puzzle through children
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: CatOne on Monday 28 January 08 11:22 GMT (UK)
Did they have a son called Esau? -

1841 HO107/873/5 Folio 32 Page 12
Thames Street, Charlbury, Oxfordshire

Esau Scarrott 39 Dealer in Earthenware N
Sarah 40 Y
James 17 Hawker Y
Caroline 15 Y
Sarah 11 Y
Phoebe 10 Y
Esau 8 Y
Cornelius 4 Y
Mary 2 Y

also in Charlbury (hamlet of Finstock) HO107/873/7 Folio 5 Page 4 -
Charles Scarrott 25 Dealer in Earthenware Y
Hannah 25 Y
Elizabeth 6 Y
Charles 3 Y






Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: tiggi on Monday 28 January 08 11:34 GMT (UK)
hi Catone
I think Esau is related to family but not sure if son or maybe even a brother to William still trying to piece it all together

The problem I am having is this i am trying to find the wife of James Smith he was my Great Grandmother's Betsey  father confirmed on marriage
now it has been suggested James Smith married a Eliza or Elizabeth Scarrott
I found a marriage 1831 Ipstones Staffordshire for Elizabeth Scarrott to James Smith both aged 21 
What I am trying to do is place her with a Scarrot family
I have spoken to a family relation and they seem to think she could be a daughter of a John Scarrott b 1801 but on 1841 & 1851 Oxfordshire census, there is no Elizabeth child to him, so i am wondering if she is a sister
we also know of a William Scarrott who had daughters Susan & caroline married Wiliam & joseph Orchard ( brothers)1843/1842 in chipping norton oxfordshire

It could be John william & elizabeth are siblings of William & margaret Whitehouse or elizabeth belongs to another Scarrott family you can see my problem but thanks for your help
sandy
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: matilda1973 on Monday 28 January 08 15:07 GMT (UK)
hiall
              i was sent some info on this family a long while back, i dont have any dates and it would need checking the children i have down for William and Margret are as follows:
Williamc1794
John c1796
Thomas c1798
Meriah? c1799
Esau c1800
James c1800
Ann c1806 Married john Loveridge ?
Maria/Mary c1807
Sophia c1809
Phoebe c1810
Eliza c1815
Charles c 1815
Rebecca c1816
i know its not much but i hope it helps a bit
                     Matilda
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: smileyface471686 on Monday 28 January 08 18:06 GMT (UK)
Have you been in contact with Glyn Hatherall? He has done a one name study on Scarrotts
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: tiggi on Monday 28 January 08 18:32 GMT (UK)
Hi everyone
Matilda can you contact me we have chatted before regarding Debs USA Penfolds have something for you about them and did you say you related to Smith family ?
I have been searching with help from Colleen in Australia she found interesting site about Scarrott family from a Mary wiltshire via Genes Reunited ( not able to access this myself)
looks promising that James Smith may have married a Elizabeth Scarrott b 1826 finstock Oxfordshire her father being William Scarrott b 1794 married a Jane Brice only other child listed was Rebecca b 1832
 Willliam Scarrott b 1765 married a Margaret Whitehorse b 1774 they had 9 children
their 1st son William Scarrott b 1894 was Elizabeth father
i still need to check all information out but as a relation has also said he was told about Elizabeth marrying james smith seems we maybe on right track
Hi smileyFace
Yes i have seen Glyn Hatherall postings on internet but think it maybe another family as he says they were Clock makers not travellers
Like most families we have variable spellings for surname and yes they all called kids same names really helpful lol
but hopefully we will find them eventually many thank everyone
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: matilda1973 on Monday 28 January 08 19:03 GMT (UK)
just going back to work will pm you when i get in Matilda ;)
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: matilda1973 on Monday 28 January 08 21:45 GMT (UK)
Tiggi 
                    ive pm ed you .would love to no  what you have on penfolds
                                ;) Matilda
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: tiggi on Monday 28 January 08 22:59 GMT (UK)
Matilda
I was told William  ( old Bob) Penfold ( no dates i am afraid) married a Defiance Smith they had William James Selina
William married Jenty Buckland James Married Sophia Buckland Selina married Joshua Buckland all children of Plato Buckland, there maybe a daughter Harriet who married Henry Buckland son of Tenet Brother to Plato

also Defiance was sister to James Smith they also had asister Louise who when Defiance died lived unmarried with Old Bob Penfold
now Tenet daughter Edith married a Wisdom Smith father was John Smith on marriage it lists a louise as witness and plato Buckland
I think that Defiance Louise John & james were all same family
Makes sense thats how children all met up don;t you think?
let me know what you think please

Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: smileyface471686 on Monday 28 January 08 23:46 GMT (UK)
Hello tiggi, The william scarrott margaret  whitehouse line of scarrotts are travellers - well they were all mostly earthenware dealers- william and margaret had mine and glyns 3x gt grandfather John Scarrott, and amongst others, William who married Jane Brice.  I wasnt aware that Elizabeth had married a James Smith as i am very interested in this, as John Scarrotts son Theophilus (my gt gt grandfather) married a Rhoda smith(born about 1847), father William Smith and ive never gone further back on the Smiths and this has given me a line to look at. Theophilus older brother Shadrach was with the Bucklands on one census (1851 i think) as you say James Smiths sister Defiances children marry Bucklands.  My Rhoda Smith/Scarrott becomes later a Brinkley having children with Valentine Brinkley and then later is with Christopher Smith (Rodney Gypsy Smiths uncle) and is a Smith again.Does anyone know the ancestry of James Smith and his sisters Defiance and Louise?      best wishes Elizabeth
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: matilda1973 on Tuesday 29 January 08 09:21 GMT (UK)
Tiggi
               this is what i have Robert Penfold  married Fiance/Defiance Smith around 1854 they had Eliza, James, William . Fiance died 18/11/1863 in devon . robert then married/lived with her sister Louisa they had Thomas, betsy Harriet, Fiance, Rachel and Charlotte. louisa died sometime before 1891.
Robert was the son of John and Harriet Penfold nee James.
 i have Louisa and Fiance down as children of James smith and Eliza Scarrott/ Scarett (daughter of william and Margret ) other children were Selina William Harriet Betsy, Peggy and Britannia , dont know who James Smiths parents were. dont no if that helps at all Matilda ;)
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: tiggi on Tuesday 29 January 08 11:16 GMT (UK)
Hi Smileyface & Matlida
 I am totally confused now lol
This is our problem we don;t know who James Smith married  can't find or confirm it with Census or documentation, although I have been told by a relation ( Orchard) that Elizabeth or Eliza Scarrott maybe his wife
now please correct me if I am wrong :
I have Scarrott line as  :

William b1765 m Margaret Whitehouse b1774 in 1793
they had 9 children   
1 William b 1794 m Jane Brice in 1826
 2 kids Elizabeth b 1826 Rebecca b 1832
2 John b 1796 m Sarah Dore b 1799 in 1818
 they had 11 children
3 Thomas b 1798 m Elizabeth Dore b 1803 in 1822
had 5 kids
4 James b 1800 m Hannah Cox b 1801 in 1822
had 11 kids
5 Ann b 1807 m John Loveridge in 1823
6 Maria b 1807 m Samuel Winter in 1828
7 Eliza b 1815 m William Dore b 1808 in 1830
8 Charles b 1816 m Hannah Turner b 1816 in 1833
9 Rebecca b 1817

I also have that William Scarrott I would think Senior remarried a Fanny Boseley in 1818 , but that confuses me as his wife Margaret died in 1831 ?
I note that last child born Rebbecca was in 1817 so did he then spilt from margaret and marry Fanny  in 1818?
Willaim & Fanny had 3 children Esau Eleanor Sophia
all this information I have found on internet via a Mary Wiltshire on Hounslow & Webber People it maybe Smileyface you should check it out as if its not correct you need to let them know as if i found it anyone can and get maybe wrong information
Look forward to your reply sandy

Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: smileyface471686 on Tuesday 29 January 08 16:21 GMT (UK)
Its William Jnr that marries twice, firstly Jane Brice, then Fanny Boseley.
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: smileyface471686 on Tuesday 29 January 08 16:57 GMT (UK)
Also Eliza Scarrott dau of Wm and Mgt is on 1841 with her husband William Dore (also my ancestors), so she cant be the one with James Smith, so that Eliza Scarrott must be a different one. Blast! I was hoping that James Smith would lead me to my Rhoda Smith! I havent done anything on my Scarrotts for years so until i looked at my tree and census records i didnt realise Eliza Smith wasnt that Eliza Scarrott.
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: tiggi on Tuesday 29 January 08 17:12 GMT (UK)
Hi Smileyface
right if that is so, how can William marry Jane in 1826 then fanny in 1818 ? if she was second wife ?
sorry not being funny but thats what it says on this person tree on that site that's why I am confused lol
With Fanny he had James 1823 Esau b 1825 Eleanor 1826 Sophia 1830, but then at same time he had Elizabeth with Jane in1826 and Rebecca 1832 ?

Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: tiggi on Tuesday 29 January 08 17:15 GMT (UK)
Hi smileyface
the Elizabeth Scarrott b 1826 we think could be James Smith wife is daughter of William & Jane Brice, not the daughter of William & Margaret this would be their granddaughter
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: smileyface471686 on Wednesday 30 January 08 09:50 GMT (UK)
William Scarrott married Fanny first in 1818, she died 1822, then he married Jane Brice (also one of my ancestors - scarrotts in Oxfordshire married Brice and Dore, Lainchburys Franklins, they all intermarried) Then he continued having children with Jane (i have no children of Williams with Fanny) I know Mary Wiltshire, she probably got some of the info from me years ago, when you use family tree maker and put in spouse (ie i put in Jane brice first) then discover another spouse later  you add spouse and on my tree it comes up Jane as spouse 1 and fanny as spouse 2. I sent mary reports years ago and if she has used them - it would come up as Jane spouse 1 and fanny spouse 2 regardless of the order he married them in. Hope that stops confusion. Well I hope James married that Eliza Scarrott. Does anyone have them on census? So the marriage on the igi of James and Eliza 1831 Ipstones cant be Eliza dau of William and Jane. I live in hope of finding Rhoda Smith amongst them somewhere.Also found this:-
James Smith and Eliza had an Affiance 8/11/1835 Blackbourton Oxon, so thats not Eliza Scarrott born 1826, but might tie into the James Smith tree as he had sister Defiance. Could this be the Fiance who someone posted that married Robert Penfold and she died in 1863, they didnt give a birth date. If this is the right James Smith Eliza then it rules out Eliza born 1826

 
BRINKLEY SCARROTT LOVERIDGE SHAW HALFORD HAYNES SMITHS from sussex SMITHS from Oxon and surrounds COOPER LEE JAMES
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: smileyface471686 on Wednesday 30 January 08 09:51 GMT (UK)
Forgot to add also researching Buckland and Penfolds (they married into my Brinkleys)
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: smileyface471686 on Wednesday 30 January 08 09:52 GMT (UK)
GOLBY WILLOUGHBY ARNOLD (sorry keep remembering more of them)
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: matilda1973 on Wednesday 30 January 08 12:02 GMT (UK)
Hi Smiley face
                              what children do you have for William and Jane/Fanny? 
           how do you link in with the loveridges? if you dont mind me asking
                               Matilda ;)
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: tiggi on Wednesday 30 January 08 12:36 GMT (UK)
Hi smileyface
Thanks for sorting that I understand now William married Fanny  Boseley  1st 1818
 Then Jane Brice 2nd 1826
I know this sounds maybe silly but can we prove these marriage dates and do you know if for certain Fanny had no child ?

I have that William & Jane had these children :
Elizabeth b 1826
 Caroline married William Orchard (1843 Chipping norton Oxfordshire)
Rebecca b 1832
William ?
Susan married Joseph Orchard (1842 chipping norton Oxfordshire)
James ?

Regarding James Smith children :
It seems now I am being told by another relation that Defiance ( Fiance) & Louise were his daughters not sisters

So children to James Smith would be :
 1 Fiance  b 1835  married William ( old bob ) Penfold
had William married Jenty Buckland
       James married Sophia Buckland
       Selina married Joshua Buckland
Buckland father Plato

2 Louise  b ? lived with William Penfold after Fiance died
They had Harriet  b 1865 married Henry Buckland
Buckland father Tenet

3 Selina b 1844 married Henry James
father Samuel James

 4 Harriet b 1847 married Robert Lee
 Father William Lee

 5 William b 1849 married Caroline Smitheram

6 Peggy b 1853 married Joseph Orchard
Parents Joseph Orchard Caroline Scarrott

7 Betsey b 1854 ( Elizabeth) married Nelson Buckland
father Tenet Buckland

8 Britannia b 1855 ( never married

I agree that if Fiance was born 1835
Then its impossible for Elizabeth Scarrott ( daughter to William & Jane) born 1826 to be the mother
But if Fanny had a child lets say called Eliza or Elizabeth before she died that child would be born 1818/19 and then if she married James Smith she would have been 16/17 which then makes it possible for her to be fiance mother

So I am wondering if the birth date for said Elizabeth is wrong or is there another child ?
 If we look at names in family they all match descents there has to be a link or logical answer to this
I know through searching my own Buckland family that birth dates vary greatly and it can get very confusing

There has to be some true here Smiley about James & Elizabeth as this is coming from relation not internet ( this person isn;t even on a PC)

My other bug bare is Tenet daughter Edith marrying a Wisdom Smith 1872 on marriage says father John Smith
( Hawker)
Witness Plato Buckland  & Louise Smith no one could write so could it be John is actually James ?
This would then tie in Louise as his daughter and Wisdom her brother makes sense Fiance would be dead by now so she is next eldest child Wisdom was born in  abt 1841
We then have 2 Smith children Wisdom & Betsey marrying 2 Buckland children  Nelson & Edith  

The only Census found was by my cousin Colleen in 1861 Smith family in Torquay  Devon listed as family not in houses but only surname given but a large family I can find it if you want to look and send it to you.
 
Regarding Rhoda Smith am I right in thinking she married Theophilus Scarrott 1862 ?

This family is doing my brain in lol hope we can solve this would really like to know if I am right or wrong about it all
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: tiggi on Wednesday 30 January 08 14:21 GMT (UK)
Hi

I have found marriage for Fiance

Fiance Smith married in 1854 Jul/Aug/Sept Tiverton Devon to
Robert Penfall 5b 689

No wonder it was hard to find his name wasn;t down as Penfold
Maybe worth getting this one to clear up who her father was
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: matilda1973 on Wednesday 30 January 08 14:29 GMT (UK)

well done finding it would be good to see if it had an age on it too
             Matilda ;)
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: tiggi on Wednesday 30 January 08 14:34 GMT (UK)
Hi Matilda
thanks
Well at least that clears up their marriage I did wonder when it was said he was called old Bob thought that's more like robert than william
When I can afford it will take the certificate hopefully in a few weeks might give us more to go on
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: matilda1973 on Wednesday 30 January 08 14:39 GMT (UK)


no what you mean no spare cash for certs after xmas, would love to no what is says though
               Matilda ;)
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: matilda1973 on Wednesday 30 January 08 14:47 GMT (UK)


Tiggi
             if this Fiance turns out to be linked to yours she and robert had 3 children that i know of Eliza James and william, James and william both   married buckland girls as you know and Eliza married henry holland son of joseph and Rebecca holland nee Orchard (this is my line)
  robert and Louisa had Thomas, harriet, Betsy, Fiance Rachel and Charlotte dont no if thats any help
Matilda ;)
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: matilda1973 on Wednesday 30 January 08 15:03 GMT (UK)
  there is a death for Fiance penfold Deaths Dec 1863   
Penfold  Finn__     Newton A  5b 103
 and one for a Louisa Penfold Mar 1881   
PENFOLD  Louisa  44  Helston  5c 163  i know we cant find a marriage but she could of still died under penfold
                       Matilda ;)
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: cathayb on Wednesday 30 January 08 19:22 GMT (UK)
hi.i am cathayb.john penfold and harriet james are in my family of penfolds,birches and taylors and hughes and orchards.when i find out how to post pictures i will put one on.henry penfold son of john and harriet married my ocean hughes.they had a daughter betsy married my joe taylor and they had a daughter harriet who married william birch who is our grandad.alot of other links too.love cathay birch
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: matilda1973 on Wednesday 30 January 08 20:53 GMT (UK)
hi Cathay
                    nice to see you on here,
                  Matilda (louise) ;)
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: colleena on Wednesday 30 January 08 21:11 GMT (UK)


 :)  Morning All
Have just ordered the Marriage Certificate of Fiance Smith
So hopefully wont have to wait to long to solve another piece of this puzzle,

Will be very interesting to see :)

Colleen
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: matilda1973 on Wednesday 30 January 08 21:50 GMT (UK)
  thats great would love to know what turns up when it gets there
                                         Matilda  ;)
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: colleena on Wednesday 30 January 08 22:22 GMT (UK)
:)  Hi Matilda

It certainly will be interesting,  another link joining all the families perhaps?

Will keep you posted  Colleen :)
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: tiggi on Thursday 31 January 08 11:18 GMT (UK)
Hi everyone lol
I love this we are opening up yet another family and hopefully it will link us all up wonderful
Now this is for Smileyface as you are more linked to Scarrott at moment might be of interest to you

I found this :
1900 Census USA Wellsville township Columbiana Ohio
Arrival Date 1895 from England
Samuel Scarrott b Feb 1857 aged 43 Turner Pottery
Jane Scarrott b Aug 1856 aged 43
Nellie Scarrott b 1892 aged 7
Edward Scarrott b Oct 1895 aged 5

Nellie scarrott must have returned to England found she came back to USa in 1911 from Bristol there is also a marriage for her to a De France in USA

Found death notice for Jane Scarrott
Jane b 3rd Aug 1856 Staffordshire
        D 11 Jan 1940 aged 83
widowed ( husband Samuel Scarrott)
Parents of Jane Scarrott - Edward Roberts & Jane Roberts

I know its not about what we ahve been talking about but it proves some of them did go to USa I always look there just encase I can;t find family here in UK

Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: tiggi on Thursday 31 January 08 11:31 GMT (UK)
Found another family
Charles Scarrott b 1864 England died 1918 aged 54 Toronto York Ontario Canada  ( says mother was Ada)
All children listed below died in Toronto Canada

This quite sad looks like they had several males children and they all died
Albert William Scarrott  born 23 Sept 1910  died13 Oct 1910 17days old
Parents Charles + Ada Tarrant
Harrick Scarrott b 1913 died 27th June 1913 4mths
parents : Charles Scarrott + Ada Tarrant
parents Charles scarrott + Ada Tarrant
Albert Walter Scarrott b 19th Oct 1917 died 1month old
Male Scarrott died 1918
father Charles Scarrott


Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: Hazelj4 on Monday 18 February 08 02:59 GMT (UK)
Hello,

I have William Scarrott & Margaret Whitehouse in my tree & Genes Reunited.  They were my gggg grandparents.  I am Hazel Scarrott born 1950. father Oliver Scarrott.

William Scarrott & M. Whitehouse had eight children.

Hazel Scarrott
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: cathayb on Monday 18 February 08 11:21 GMT (UK)
hi my computer broke down and in the process i lost my address book.would all who have my email address email me so i can re enter you and keep in touch.thanks cathay.my family if you remember are birch/taylor/hughes/penfolds/orchards/davis and others.
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: matilda1973 on Monday 18 February 08 14:01 GMT (UK)
Hi Hazel
               nice to hear from you
                              Can you confirm the names of there children, as there seem to be some confustion over who belongs to who
                 good luck with your searching
                            Matilda    ;)
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: tiggi on Monday 18 February 08 16:20 GMT (UK)
Hi everyone
I have some news just had it confirmed that James Smith father to Selina Betsey Harriet Peggy  William Britannia
was married to a Eliza SCARRETT
thank you all for your help now i need to find her family so maybe I am looking for a different family with spelling of Scarrett not Scarrott ?
Although Peggy Smith did marry a joseph Orchard son of William Orchard & Caroline Scarrott
It is still possible could be a link with her mother's Scarrett and her husband;s family Scarrott it needs more investigating
 sandy
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: matilda1973 on Monday 18 February 08 16:32 GMT (UK)
glad you got that confirmed, are you sure of spelling as ive seen them on census as scarrott, scarot, scarett, Scaret , scarat, Scarratt, 
                  so still may link up somewhere,  good luck with them give me a yell if i can help in any way
                        Matilda  ;)
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: Hazelj4 on Monday 18 February 08 21:12 GMT (UK)
Hi Matilda,

William Scarrott born about 1765.  His parents were Sam Scarrott born about 1750 & Jane Ball born about 1752. Sam Scarrotts parents were John Scarrott born  1730 & Sarah Sharp? born about 1732. I go back three more generations from them. The children for William & Margaret are:

 John Scarrott b 1796 (married Sarah Dore, my ggggrandparents), Esau Scarrott born about 1795, Anne Scarrott born about 1797, Eliza Scarrott born about 1799, Eleanor born about 1800, Sophia born about 1801, Charles born about 1802 & William born about 1803.

I have many Scarrotts/Brinkleys/Dores/Brice in my tree.

Hazel

Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: matilda1973 on Tuesday 19 February 08 16:20 GMT (UK)
  Hi Hazel
                      have you read the begining of this post when there were other childrens baptisms found?  what do you think of them ?
               matilda  ;) 
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: Hazelj4 on Tuesday 19 February 08 17:01 GMT (UK)
Hi Matilda,

I looked at the beginning post & see that there are several children not on my list. Mary Ann but I have an Ann (could be the same).  Priscilla I don't have & Rebecca I don't have.   I will research this someone to see what I can find.  I need to ask Colleen about her information - we must share the same ancestors as do most of us with Scarrott ancestors.

I am glad I found this site.

Hazel
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: matilda1973 on Tuesday 19 February 08 19:03 GMT (UK)

  yeah i think they all come from the same beginings, they are only vv-distant part of our line but conected never the less
               would love to know what you find out
              the site it great and theres lots of people who will help out of they can
                                  Matilda  ;)
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: selinat on Friday 28 March 08 12:17 GMT (UK)
hi everyone i am new here my name is selina. ive been reading with much interest your messages about the scarrott family. can anyone tell me about john scarrott and priscilla who was a loveridge. travelling boxing booth pontypridd. links to the pratley family . was johns sister kezia scarrott. hope someone can help me.... thanks selina
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: SCARROTT on Tuesday 17 June 08 20:12 BST (UK)
kezia was not john sister as she was in my line of scarrotts john was born in newport 1862 while kezia was born in oxon in1820 was the daughter of john scarrott and sarah dore jack s parents we levi scarrott and lousia loveridge hope this helps ,cliff
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: tiggi on Tuesday 17 June 08 20:33 BST (UK)
Hi everyone
here is 1841 Census : Under Wychwood Oxfordshire dist 14
John Scarott b 1801 Oxfordshire  40 Earthenware dealer
Sarah ( wife) b 1801 40
Hezia            b  1821 20
Shaderick     b   1823 18
William         b 1826 15
Emala          b 1828 13
Emanuel      b 1831 10
Ester           b 1833 8
John            b 1836 5
Theophilus  b 1839 2
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: tiggi on Tuesday 17 June 08 20:42 BST (UK)
1851 Census HO/107-1730-276 P29
John Scarrott         55 b 1796 Ramsden Oxfordshire 
Sarah                    50 b 1801
Maria Beams         38 b 1813 ( Visitor)
Emily  Scarrott      24 b 1827 ( would say this is Emmala)
Jann Thornett        20 b 1831 ( visitor)
Emanuel Scarrott   20 b 1831
John                       16 b 1835
Theophilus             12 b 1839
Edward                  10 b 1841
Eliza                       6 b 1845
Ester Tralley           3 b 1848
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: tiggi on Tuesday 17 June 08 20:54 BST (UK)
These are marriages I have found for children :
Shaderick  Scarrott
married Maria Scarrott Oxfordshire 1843 Jan/Feb/Mar

William Scarrott married
Margaret Scarrot Wantage Oxfordshire 1854 Jan/Feb/Mar

Emanuel Scarrott
married Eliza Thornet Woodstock Oxfordshire 1855 Apr/May/Jun

Theophlius Scarrott
married Rhoda Smith Hendon Oxfordshire 1862

There are 2 families of Scarrots in 1841 census to follow :
 John b 1801 in Shipton under Wychwod Oxfordshire
& Esan Scarritt 1802  in Charlsbury Oxfordshire

I have often wondered if these are brothers  ?
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: Tricia_2 on Tuesday 17 June 08 21:25 BST (UK)
Selina, I took the liberty of editing your picture a little ~ hope you don't mind!  :)
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: SCARROTT on Wednesday 18 June 08 10:10 BST (UK)
message to selinat i dont know wether you got my message sorry ihave nothing on edwin kezias nephew i would like some imfo sent on the scarrotts although i have a lot myself also got photos of scarrotts in there travelling days . has anybody got any photos i would be glad to send any on  dcliff2001@yahoo.couk
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: toni* on Wednesday 18 June 08 10:19 BST (UK)
bookmarking to read later  ;D
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: cathayb on Wednesday 18 June 08 12:46 BST (UK)
i have a few scarrotts way back in my line.they are appearing in matilda scavenger hunt this week if you wanna take a look.i would love a couple of phots to put with my collection.i will pm you with my email address.regards and thanks cathayb
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: selinat on Wednesday 18 June 08 15:21 BST (UK)
to scarrott
john scarrott and sarah dore parents of Keziah ( 1820-1885)
Keziah married Richard Pratley 8th Nov 1843
there children
Emily(1844)
Alfred(1845-1900)
Sarah(1846)
Esther(1848-1914)
Richard(1850-1894) This Is My Alfreds Father, Alfred Married Chrsitina Ireland
Mary Ann(Annie)(1852-1938)
Eliza(1855-1856)
John(1857-1857)
Louisa(1858)
Lucy(1861)
Eliza((1863-1864)
Mina(Minnie)(1865)
i hope this may be of some help to you regards selina ;)
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: SCARROTT on Wednesday 18 June 08 17:24 BST (UK)
thanks selina if you go to google then type in romany road then click photos there is a photo of your alfred holdi  achild this is the one who was on the fairs the picture was sent in by mary wiltshire who was a scarrott  all the best cliff
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: selinat on Wednesday 18 June 08 17:38 BST (UK)
ive got more information for you , i dont no if its all ready on here but i will post it tomorrow. the children of William scarrott(1765) & Margaret Whitehouse & who they married ect ( please remember its only what ive been told ) john who married sarah dore was the son of william & margaret . the family is huge and they all named the children after aunts and uncles , so its very confusing . i am a member of romanyroad but aint look at the website for ages, are you sure its Alfred and not levi  ???   . have you got the story about john "jacks" boxing booth ? its brillant , all the famous boxers started in his booth , jimmy wilde ect . i speak to you tomorrow  ;)
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: SCARROTT on Wednesday 18 June 08 19:39 BST (UK)
hello selina that would be nice william and sarah were my grt, grt, grt, grt grandparents , yes that is 100% alfred , levi was hes son as you know , i have got the book on jack i was the one  sent  the imfo  mary jack has a grt grandson john scarrott showman from northampton he may well have imfo on jack bye for now
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: selinat on Thursday 19 June 08 10:34 BST (UK)
william scarrott(1765) married margaret whitehouse
there children & who they married
John ( 1796-1851) - sarah dore
william (1797-1857)-margaret ?
thomas(1798-1829)-elizabeth (besty dore)
james(1801-1872)-hannah cox
eleanor(1802)-john dring
priscilla(1804-1865)-thomas farmer
esau(1805-1852)- died 47yr old
mary ann(1807) ?
eliza(1812)-william dore
charles(1815-1871) hannah(annie turner)
rebecca(1817) ?
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: selinat on Thursday 19 June 08 11:03 BST (UK)
john scarrott- sarah dore
there children & who they married
amelia(1819-1898) william poole
keziah(1820-1885) richard pratley
shadrack(1822-1905)- (ann) maria scarrott & mary ann smith
william(1824)
emily(emmala)(1826-1905)-james rusher
emmanuel(manny)(1831-1902) eliza thornet
esther(1833-1871) william stroud
john(1835-1916)charlotte gardner
theophilus(1837-1839)
theophilus(1839-1871)rhoda smith
edward(1840)
frederick(1842-1909) druscilla smith & sophia smith
eliza(1844)
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: SCARROTT on Thursday 03 July 08 20:41 BST (UK)
i have pos ted my last message saying jack scarrotts mother was louisa loveridge i was wrong as it is his wife his mother was a smith apologies . also to selina who are the couple in the photo many thanks scarrott
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: rsegarden on Tuesday 24 February 09 13:36 GMT (UK)
here is a nother name to link your scarrotts benjamin george b 1867 cheltenham glos married emily scarrott b 1873 father levi mother hannah rose ,regards rse1949
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: tanginitoo on Tuesday 17 March 09 04:33 GMT (UK)
I would very much like to get in touch with Selina re her relationship
to ALFRED PRATLEY and CHRISTINA IRELAND. 

If you read this Selina please could you get back to me. 

Unfortunately I cannot help you with any information
but I would very much like to know more about Alfred and Christina
and what happened to them.  My interest was originally in Richard Pratley, father
of Alfred, and I would also like to know what happened to Margaret, Alfred's mother.
There is a marriage that I think might have been a second one for her after the
death of Richard Pratley.
Cheers, Tanginitoo
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: smileyface471686 on Saturday 08 August 09 01:29 BST (UK)
william scarrott(1765) married margaret whitehouse
there children & who they married
John ( 1796-1851) - sarah dore
william (1797-1857)-margaret ?
thomas(1798-1829)-elizabeth (besty dore)
james(1801-1872)-hannah cox
eleanor(1802)-john dring
priscilla(1804-1865)-thomas farmer
esau(1805-1852)- died 47yr old
mary ann(1807) ?
eliza(1812)-william dore
charles(1815-1871) hannah(annie turner)
rebecca(1817) ?

Hello Selina, betty here, any info on the william 1797-1857 who married margaret above and any of their children?  I have received my Rhoda Smiths 1888 marriage to Christopher Smith (her first husband was Theophilus Scarrott son of john 1796 above) On this marriage certificate she says her father was a William Scarrott and not William Smith as on her marriage to Theophilus. If Christopher Smiths parents were James Smith and Eliza Scarrott, there is a possibility that Christopher Theophilus and Rhoda may have been cousins. Thanks Betty
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: Lesley1818 on Thursday 26 November 09 20:58 GMT (UK)
Tiggy....I just came across this site and noticed that you had come across information on my family (Reply #37 on: Thursday 31 January 08)

Charles Scarrott had 6 children that lived here in Canada.  Charles and his wife both died in 1918 of the spanish flu when it hit Toronto.  All the children were seperated after their parents' death and went into various foster homes or to start working on their own (the oldest was Mai Scarrot, aged 16).  Eventually as adults, they all found each other and would meet every year for an annual picnic. 

I believe the Harrick that you mention that died at 4 months was my grandpa's twin.  We always thought his name was Eric, but this makes sense.  There was at least another twin that died shortly after birth (probably the Albert that is referred to....I think that was my great uncle Art's twin).

I don't know much about this lineage as my grandfather and his younger brother were adopted about 10 years after their parents died of the flu.  My grandfather was the last living child of this family and died in 2000. 

Anyways, I found this very interesting.....do you know where you came across that bit of info on Charles Scarrott?

Thanks
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: scarrott123 on Sunday 20 December 09 14:09 GMT (UK)
my dads name is shadrack william scarrott but better known as shady. born in an wagon in an travelling funfair. i notice there is an shadrack scarrott on your comments its an unusual name. my grandads name was shadrack scarrott to, my great grandads name was thomas scarrott, my great great grandads name was thomas scarrott. all born as travelling showman except for my great grandad and back they was born as travelling people who sold things on there travels known as hawker.
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: cathayb on Sunday 20 December 09 14:54 GMT (UK)
i am looking for any information of a tarling connection.my tarlings definately travelled from essex over to wales with a fair that included the scarrots.jack scarrot appears as a witness on one of the tarling marriage certs.thery were connected with thrm fort a number of years and i feel sure there must be a stronger connection than just friends somewhere.they were also often around glsoucester.selinia is a name that figures in our tarling family aswell by the way
Title: re penfolds
Post by: sinette on Friday 05 February 10 23:28 GMT (UK)
can you help me im trying to trace susan smart married to william penfold did they have any children i think they married 1878 thank you
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: CatOne on Sunday 14 February 10 14:05 GMT (UK)
Marriage in 1886 (not 1878)? or is this another one??

William Penfold Dec 1886 Croydon Vol 2a Page 406b
Other name on page - Susannah Smart
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: boxalot on Thursday 18 February 10 07:03 GMT (UK)
I am currently researching the lives of Jim Driscoll and Jimmy Wilde, both world champion boxers from South Wales who started in John 'Jack' Scarrotts fairground boxing booth. 
 
I have only a couple of photos of Jack...one very small portrait picture and another where he can be seen in a group shot which shows Wilde, Driscoll and also Percy Jones and Llew Edwards, also boxers who featured with Jack.  I currently have not found any other images of either Jack's boxing booth, or his caravans, and wondered whether there is anyone out there who might be able to help ?.
 
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Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: neat on Wednesday 14 April 10 21:42 BST (UK)
william scarrott(1765) married margaret whitehouse
there children & who they married
John ( 1796-1851) - sarah dore
william (1797-1857)-margaret ?
thomas(1798-1829)-elizabeth (besty dore)
james(1801-1872)-hannah cox
eleanor(1802)-john dring
priscilla(1804-1865)-thomas farmer
esau(1805-1852)- died 47yr old
mary ann(1807) ?
eliza(1812)-william dore
charles(1815-1871) hannah(annie turner)
rebecca(1817) ?
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: neat on Wednesday 14 April 10 21:46 BST (UK)
Just found your site. Found it very interesting because because my great-grandparents were Agnes Rusher & George Crook who were married in England & came to Canada.

Agnes's parents were James Rusher & Emily Scarrot & that information I only found recently on the internet.

Thankyou for filling in a lot of blanks.  Now I just have to find out about the Crook side.
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: daisymac64 on Sunday 23 May 10 09:56 BST (UK)
Hi there
Just wondering if any one was related to the following Scarrotts?
i had the following info very kindly supplied from the Romany jib site
1911 Gloucestershire census
Gipsy caravans aside of road Frocester hill Uley,Gloucestershire
families camped Buckland,Smith,Loveridge,White,Scarrott.Holland,Hoskins,Boswell.Beaney

 Scarrott Eyra 56.married,head,general dealer Stow on wold
Scarrott Frank,son single,Stow
Scarrott Cecil,son,Stow
Clarke Thomas 42 single(widow) general labourer,moreton in marsh
(all in same vardo)

The interest for me is that Thomas Clarke was my Grt nans cousin she was Florence Rosina Clarke who came from a travelling family from Chipping norton,moreton,Stow etc who were married into Smith,Webb and eventually Lane families,im just curious if any Scarrott desendants have any old photos of the above or have come across the Clarkes from the Cotswolds they were obviously prals goin way back,id love to hear of any info on the Scarrotts from Stow or see some photos of the folki Thomas knew
All the best Daisy
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: lucybradley on Tuesday 15 March 11 21:05 GMT (UK)
hi i know it was a few years ago you were tracing the scarrot family, i'm in the process of doing the same and wondered if you could help.
i am a direct desentdent of john and sarah's daughter keziah who was my gr gr gr grandmother and thomas and elizabeth's daughter thersa/thurza again my gr gr gr grandmother so any information you could pass on would be gratefully recieved thanks lucy :)
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: enzodog on Wednesday 06 April 11 14:59 BST (UK)
imy mums grandmother was councelette scarrott who lived in st mary's road edmonton london n9. her dads name was frederick scarrott. my mum recalls that he had a brother oliver (ollie)  sisters rhoda and genty(she had cleft palette and hare lip so never married) my mum recalls that counsey her grandmother used to sell flowers from a basket. if this helps anyone please get in touch
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: selinat on Wednesday 06 April 11 15:31 BST (UK)
hello any information would be welcome. does your mum have any connections to the pratley family or no of any? my great great aunt Christina Ireland married Alfred Pratley his Grandmother was Kezia Scarrott . Christina had a son Edwin
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: enzodog on Wednesday 06 April 11 16:18 BST (UK)
re.message 77 sorry no relatives of that name oh just a minute there is a richard pratley married to keziah scarrott on tree way back  my connection is with theophilus married to rhoda smith
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: kimiwatt on Wednesday 11 July 12 15:39 BST (UK)
 :) Hi,

Have just joined roots and am complete beginner! Have my tree on ancestry and I am decended from the Dore family from Oxfordshire. I have quite alot of Scarrots on my tree, along with Hedges, Franklins, Smiths. My GG Grandad was Ezekiel Dore from Leafield, and his wife was Avis Franklin.
I know that some of the Scarrots in my tree were Travelling people, and was just wondering if anyone knows about the Dores? Were they a Romany family?, or were they marrying into the Scarrots? There seem to be quite a few marriages between the two families.
Thanks
Kim
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: Steve G on Wednesday 11 July 12 18:53 BST (UK)
just wondering if anyone knows about the Dores? Were they a Romany family?

<Consults 'The Book of Bob'> (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n201/ptpc/BookofBob.gif)

Dore: 1799 - 1822. Glos.

 Ye know what to do now, Kim. Tee shirt over ye face. Slide towards the computer, on ye knees and clenching ye fists. " ReeeeeeZult!!! "  8)
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: kimiwatt on Wednesday 11 July 12 20:33 BST (UK)
 :) RESULT!! I do hope so..........you see we knew nothing about any of this, My Granny was told by her father that her family history was French.  He often said this to explain her looks. She was dark olive skinned, black hair and dark eyes. As were her brothers. Her parents were farm workers and her family all seem to have lived in Leafield, Oxfordshire. She moved from farm to farm cottages, as her father worked.
Sorry to sound stupid, but what is the Book of Bob??
Will practice my slide to computer and punching air move now!!  :)
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: Steve G on Wednesday 11 July 12 20:43 BST (UK)
Sorry to sound stupid, but what is the Book of Bob??

 Ye don't sound stupid at all. It was more stupid of me, trying to get away with not having to type an extra sentence or two.

 'The BoB' Revealed (http://www.robertdawson.co.uk/A-Romany-in-the-Family_A13IA9.aspx?nh=261424).  ;)

Now; Mind the carpet burns .....
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: kimiwatt on Wednesday 11 July 12 20:51 BST (UK)
Wow! Thanks so much. Will have alot of reading to do now. And will nurse my carpet burns too!!!
Kim
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: johnscarrott on Tuesday 24 July 12 23:38 BST (UK)
hi tiggi this may help you  my name is john my father and grandfather also john my great grandfather was William  i believe he, had a   brother called Emmanuel  and a sister called Eliza  that married a Edward moles  my grandfather john was married to Ada  my father married to Dorothy mason  my father being the oldest of ten children
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: tiggi on Saturday 28 July 12 09:24 BST (UK)
Hi John
Thank you for your post I am still unsure who Eliza/Elizabeth parents were ..the surname could be spelt Scarrett which is like Scarrott
I know that its correct name as she is listed as such on her daughters birth Peggy Smith ( father James Smith ) who married Joseph Orchard

Sadly I am still not further finding either James Smith parents,but they did travel in tents & caravan about Devon & Cornwall and I can trace their children

2 daughters Defiance & Louisa both became partners of Robert Penfold
Daughter Bessie married Nelson Buckland ( my grt Grandparents)
Daughter Selina  married Henry James
Son William partnered Caroline Smitheram
Daughter Harriet  partnered Robert Lee
Britannia did not marry
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: king otg on Tuesday 04 December 12 14:44 GMT (UK)
I have checked this several times at Staffs RO, following Glyn's excellent work, and originally drew the conclusion that the William Scarrott referred to was born HALL as shown below:

HALL
STF Cannock m2/5/1763 Eleanor HALL = Esau SCARROTT, collier of Cheslyn Hay
STF Cannock bp14/6/1767 William s/o Esau/-, of Chasland Hay

Despite some coincidences this does not appear to be the case. See the next post.

TL
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: king otg on Thursday 06 December 12 11:34 GMT (UK)
Further checks on freereg show that Esau HALL had a wife called Margaret so he is not likely to be the same person as Esau SCARROTT.

There is a suggested baptism for William SCARROTT:

STF Cannock bp March 1769 William s/o Esau [SCROTT sic] of Cheslyn Hay

although this looks like his burial

STF Cannock br4/2/1770 William s/o Esau [SCAROTT sic] of Cheslyn Hay

Since William s/o Esau HALL was baptised in 1767 he is unlikely to be the same person as William SCARROTT as previously thought.

TL
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: king otg on Saturday 08 December 12 10:37 GMT (UK)
This is why I suspect that Esau SCARROTT may have been the same person as Esau HALL perhaps, at times, using his wife’s maiden surname.

FOR: When Esau SCARROTT is absent, Esau HALL is present.  Mary is baptised as HALL in 1776 but buried as SCARROTT in 1781 assuming it is the same child.

AGAINST: There are two wives, Eleanor and Margaret. William bp1767 would have to be alive when the other William was born in 1769 unless there was some other reason. It would be an inattentive vicar not to notice if the same man in his parish went by two different surnames.

The time-line:

STF Cannock m2/5/1763 Esau SCARROTT, collier of Cheslyn Hay = Eleanor HALL, spin

STF Cannock m5/3/1764 Esau HALL, collier of Cheslyn Hay = Margaret FOULKS, spin of C.H.

STF Cannock br15/3/1767 Mary d/o Esau/- of Cheslyn Hay (HALL)

STF Cannock bp14/6/1767 William s/o Esau/- of Cheslyn Hay (HALL)

STF Cannock br12/1/1769 Ann d/o Esau of Cheslyn Hay [SCROTT sic]

STF Cannock bp Mar 1769 William s/o Esau/- of Cheslyn Hay [SCROTT sic]

STF Cannock br4/2/1770 William s/o Esau of Cheslyn Hay [SCAROTT sic]

STF Cannock br28/12/1773 Esau s/o Esau s/o Esau of Cheslyn Hay (HALL)

STF Cannock bp24/2/1776 Mary d/o Esau/- of Cheslyn Hay (HALL)

STF Cannock bp Sep 1778 Margaret d/o Esau/Margaret, of Cheslyn Hay (HALL)

STF Cannock bp25/7/1780 Elizabeth d/o Esau/Margaret, of Cheslyn Hay (HALL)

STF Cannock br Mar 1781 Mary d/o Esau of Cheslyn Hay [SCRIOTT sic]

STF Cannock br19/1/1782 Joseph s/o Esau of Cheslyn Hay [SCERIETTE sic]

STF Cannock bp27/2/1785 Peter s/o Esau/Eleanor of Cheslyn Hay [SCERRETT sic]

STF Cannock br16/1/1786 Peter s/o Esau of Cheslyn Hay [SCERRET sic]

STF Cannock br22/8/1788 Esau s/o Esau of Cheslyn Hay [SCERRET sic]

TL
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: king otg on Tuesday 11 December 12 10:34 GMT (UK)
My above posts may be of interest to those having SCARROTT ancestors because William and Margaret are the progenitors of most of the travelling SCARROTTs. Not only were they married at Cannock but they are repeatedly linked to John SCARROTT at Cannock, Charlbury and Witney. From William’s marriage a rough estimate of his year of birth is 1770 and his death certificate confirms that it is not a wild guess:

STF Cannock m16/9/1793 William SCARROTT = Margaret WHITEHOUSE, both single of Cheslyn Hay

See the following census entry, 1851GLO-1969/318/33
John SCARROTT, widow (73) hawker or earthenware, born Wyrley Bank STF
Phoebe SCARROTT, widow (36) hawker or earthenware, born Charlbury OX

Phoebe’s baptism:
OX Charlbury bp24/3/1815 Phoebe d/o William/Elizabeth e-w.dlr of C

John’s birthplace, Wyrley Bank, is near Cheslyn Hay and both places are historically within the parish of Cannock. There is more evidence of John’s birthplace in the baptism of his son John (third entry below) which gives the abode as ‘Wyrley’. William and John’s childhood occurred at the same time that Esau SCARROTT was fathering children in their parish.

John’s children:
STF Cannock bp3/3/1799 Meriah d/o John/Pheoby of Cheslyn Hay [SCARRIOT sic]
STF Cannock bp17/5/1801 Esaw s/o John/Pheoby of Cheslyn Hay [SCARRIOTT sic]
STF Cannock bp22/5/1803 John s/o John/Pheoby SCARROTT of Wyrley
STF Cannock bp12/5/1805 Ann d/o Jno/Phoebe of Cheslyn Hay [SKARRATT sic]
OX Witney bp2/8/1807 Maria d/o John/Phoebe SCARROTT [Ø]
OX Witney bp1/10/1809 Sophia d/o John/Phoebe SCARROTT [Ø]

John’s baptism?:
STF Cannock bp22/12/1778 John s/o John/- HALL, of Wyrley

The surname is HALL and the coincidences are adding up but the above baptism fits perfectly with John and Elizabeth who had their own complete set of children and were living in Wyrley at the time.

Logic suggests that the first of the two William’s shown below outlived the second and this would make sense if they had different mothers:

STF Cannock bp14/6/1767 William s/o Esau/- HALL of Cheslyn Hay
STF Cannock bp Mar 1769 William s/o Esau/- of Cheslyn Hay [SCROTT sic]
STF Cannock br4/2/1770 William s/o Esau of Cheslyn Hay [SCAROTT sic]

The available evidence indicates that John (bc1778) was very likely to have been the brother of William (bc1770) and the most likely mother for both is Eleanor SCARROTT (late HALL) so it would not be unusual for either of them to select SCARROTT as their permanent surname even if they sometimes appeared as HALL.


TL
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: king otg on Thursday 13 December 12 11:58 GMT (UK)
I have noticed how difficult it is to call up information on familysearch for the SCARROTTs at Charlbury which should be there to 1851 but the spelling variations make it difficult. There appears to be nothing for OX on freereg so here are the SCARROTTS at Charlbury without the spelling variations

SCARROTT OX
OX Charlbury bp29/11/1812 William s/o John/Elizabeth, of C

OX Charlbury bp24/3/1815 Phoebe d/o William/Elizabeth e-w.dlr of C

OX Charlbury bp15/5/1817 Rebecca d/o William/Margaret, e-w.man of C

OX Charlbury bp15/5/1817 Mary d/o John/Elizabeth, e-w.man of C

OX Charlbury bp12/2/1819 Amelia d/o John/Sarah, e-w.dlr of C

OX Charlbury bp31/12/1820 Keziah d/o John/Elizabeth, e-w.dlr of C

OX Charlbury bp11/8/1822 Ann Maria d/o James/Hannah, e-w.man of Finstock

OX Charlbury bp16/2/1823 Shadraick s/o John/Sarah, e-w.man of C

OX Charlbury bp16/5/1823 Jason s/o Thomas/Elizabeth, e-w.man of Finstock

OX Charlbury bp26/10/1823 James s/o Esau/Sarah, lab of C

OX Charlbury bp8/10/1824 William s/o John/Sarah, e-w.man of C

OX Charlbury bp27/2/1825 Fanny d/o James/Hannah, e-w.man of Finstock

OX Charlbury bp24/6/1825 Thomas s/o Thomas/Elizabeth, e-w.man of Finstock

OX Charlbury bp9/10/1825 Frances Matilda d/o Esau/Sarah, e-w.man of C

OX Charlbury bp23/7/1826 Emlah d/o John/Sarah, e-w.man of Finstock

OX Charlbury bp23/12/1826 Elizabeth Eliza d/o William/Jane, e-w.man of Finstock

OX Charlbury bp24/6/1827 James s/o James/Hannah, e-w.man of Finstock

OX Charlbury bp3/10/1827 Thirzah d/o Thomas/Elizabeth, e-w.man of Finstock

OX Charlbury bp28/10/1827 Caroline d/o Esau/Sarah, e-w.man of C

OX Charlbury bp1/10/1828 Esther d/o Thomas/Elizabeth, e-w.man of Finstock

OX Charlbury bp14/8/1829 Sarah d/o Esau/Elizabeth, e-w.man of C

OX Charlbury bp9/3/1831 Emanuel s/o John/Sarah, e-w.man of Finstock

OX Charlbury bp9/11/1831 Phoebe d/o Esau/Elizabeth, e-w.man of C

OX Charlbury bp18/3/1832 Rebecca d/o William/Jane, e-w.man of C

OX Charlbury bp30/12/1832 Mary Ann d/o James/Hannah, e-w.man of Finstock

OX Charlbury bp19/6/1833 Esther d/o John/Sarah, e-w.man of Finstock

OX Charlbury bp5/7/1833 Hannah d/o Esau/Elizabeth [crossed out] Sarah, e-w.man of C

OX Charlbury bp30/7/1834 Esau s/o Esau/Elizaberth [crossed out] Sarah, e-w.man of C

OX Charlbury bp14/8/1835 John s/o John/Sarah, e-w.man of Finstock

OX Charlbury bp27/1/1836 Mary Ann d/o William/Eliza, lab of C

OX Charlbury bp29/5/1836 Caroline d/o Esau/Sarah, e-w.slr of C

OX Charlbury bp9/12/1838 Elizabeth d/o William/Eliza, e-w.man of C

OX Charlbury bp4/10/1839 Theophilus s/o John/Sarah, e-w.carrier of Finstock

OX Charlbury bp18/8/1837 Theophilus s/o John/Sarah, e-w.man

OX Charlbury bp10/2/1839 Mary Anne d/o Esau/Sarah, e-w.slr of C

OX Charlbury bp11/10/1839 Victoria d/o James/Sarah, e-w.slr of Finstock

OX Charlbury bp9/3/1842 Frederick s/o John/Sarah, e-w.slr

OX Charlbury bp20/2/1842 Harriett d/o Charles/Hannah, lab

OX Charlbury bp26/5/1843 John s/o William/Eliza, lab

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Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: lisajones0230 on Friday 14 December 12 23:49 GMT (UK)
It's so confusing this family tracing lark, I've only managed to go back as far as my nans parents Sarah Scarrott (1901 - 1986) died 25th November in Eastwood and my nans father Stephen Livermore (1901 - 1975) died Eastwood 18th November 1975 and my nans nan and grandad were Emmanualle Scarrott Snr and Helen Scarrott (possibly Brooks before marriage) anything before that I'm lost, got all sorts of family names popping up like lamb, bibby and all sorts comin up, confusing stuff :0(
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: king otg on Monday 17 December 12 10:57 GMT (UK)
SCARROTT
STF Cannock m16/9/1793 William = Margaret [d/o James] WHITEHOUSE, both single of    
Cheslyn Hay [info from Glyn Hatherall]

STF Cannock bp10/7/1796 John s/o William/Margaret of Cheslyn Hay [SCARRIOTT sic]

OX Charlbury m23/3/1818 John SCARRIOTT of Finstock = Sarah DORE

OX Charlbury bp9/3/1842 Frederick s/o John/Sarah, e-w.slr

KT.STR High Halstow m27/8/1872 Frederick (29) trav (fa: John – trav) = Drucilla SMITH (30) (fa: Benjamin – trav)

KT.BRO Orpington m19/8/1907 Emmanuel (s/o Frederick) SCARROTT = Ellen (d/o Samuel) BROOKS [Ø] [info from Keith Scarrott]

EX West Tilbury bp23/10/1892 George s/o Emmanuel/Ellen, hkr of W.T. [SCARRAT sic]

EX West Tilbury bp2/6/1895 Matilda s/o Emmanuel/Ellen, hkr of W.T. [SCARRAT sic]

KT.BRO Orpington All Saints bp5/7/1908 (b13/2/1907) Nelson s/o Emmanuel/Ellen, hkr of O

EX Eastwood bp7/6/1914 (b19/1) Lenda d/o Emanuel/Ellen, hkr of E. [SCARRATT sic]

EX Eastwood m9/6/1923 Alfred (24) (fa: Emmanuel – hkr) = Elizabeth SMITH (27) (fa: James - hkr)

EX Eastwood m19/4/1924 Matilda (30) (fa: Emmanuel – hkr) = Arthur SMITH (30) hkr (fa: James – hkr)

EX Eastwood m5/3/1932 Nelson (24) lab (fa: Emanuel – hkr) = Dolly TAYLOR (20) (fa: Joseph – hkr)

EX Eastwood m28/1/1939 Joseph (21) lab (fa: Emmanuel – lab) = Charity BALL (18) (fa: William – commercial trav)

EX Eastwood MI d4/10/1958 (86) Ellen [née BROOKS]

EX Eastwood MI d7/7//1959 (95) Emmanuel [info from Keith Scarrott]

SCARROTT CENSUS
1841OX-0879/16//10/15 John (40) e-w.dlr, Sarah [née DORE] (40) +8

1851OX-1730/276/29 John (55) glass & china merch, Sarah (50) +7 [Frederick (9) not enumerated]

1881MDX-1350/72/59 Frederick (39) hkr, Sophia [née SMITH] (40) +6 [this is Frederick’s second wife, not the mother of Emmanuel]

1891MDX-1033/59/4 Fred (50) china.dlr, earth…., Sophia (49) +4 [SCARRATT sic]

1901EX-1644/132/31 Emmanuel (30) Gipsy, Ellen (29) +4

1911EX-Rochford, Sch 171, Emanuel (44) trav’g hkr, Ellen (40) Emanuel (13) Alfred (10) Sara[h] (7) Nelson (4) Elijah (6m) Matilda (15)

EX Eastwood m19/4/1924 Matilda (30) (fa: Emmanuel – hkr) = Arthur SMITH (30) hkr (fa: James – hkr)


LIVERMORE
EX Eastwood bp30/10/1921 Matilda d/o Stephen/Sarah [née SCARROTT] hkr of E

EX Eastwood m29/12/1919 Louie (21) (fa: Joseph - grn.grocer) = Edward ANDERSON [née PEARCE] (24) hkr (fa: Edward – hkr)

EX Eastwood m22/12/1930 Mary (18) (fa: Joseph – hkr) = William Alfred SWEETS (23) (fa: John – lab)

1911EX-Rochford, Sch 152, Joseph (42) hkr, Matilda (35) Louisa (14) Joseph (12) Stephen (10) Albert (5) John (1)

Southern Observer & S.E. Essex Gazette 7 January 1909, approx p.5, ‘Trouble among Gipsies at Eastwood’ mentions Louis LIVERMORE, Elijah STONE, Bartholomew SMITH, Otte BUCKLEY

The Southen Standard & Essex Weekly Advertiser 7 January 1909, p.8, ‘Eastwood Gipsies and their holiday’ mentions Elizabeth SMITH, Lewis LIVERMORE, Elijah STONE, Bartholomew SMITH, Otte BUCKLEY, Joseph LIVERMORE, Thomas WEBB, Fred SMITH, Thomas TAPLIN, Beatrice TAPLIN, Kate WEBB, Jessie STONE

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Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: king otg on Saturday 22 December 12 11:17 GMT (UK)
I can no longer work out how to modify the posts but the above reply is incorrect in that it refers to 'Keith' Scarrott. It should read 'Kevin' Scarrott.

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Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: Ochsenkopff on Wednesday 18 June 14 03:25 BST (UK)
Hi There
I am trying to solve a problem with very little information i have a Sarah Jackson in one of my distant families born 1805 Miserdine/Miserden i don't know who she married but i did come accross in the 1861 census Stroud Sarah Scarrott born 1805 Miserdine i believe aged 55 but i have know idea who she was married to as i think she may have been a widow and either living on her own or boarding for that matter.
She may even have been a single woman but i can not find anything on her as the name Scarrotts does not appear a lot for me to research.
I really want to know if her name was Jackson, her fathers name was john Jackson and mother Ann Nichols.
Can anyone shed any light on this sarah.

Ochsenkopf
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: selinat on Sunday 17 May 15 10:30 BST (UK)
Keziah Scarrotts.b 1821 her brothers shaderick b 1823 and William b 1826 married Caroline and Jemima Horrobin. Wood like to hear from anyone connected or thinks they maybe connected to these Scarrotts
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: Tabitha7 on Tuesday 12 July 22 14:01 BST (UK)
My great grandad was Theodore he was married to selina fudge
My grandmother was Ivy Victoria Scarott
Title: Re: Scarrott family
Post by: Scarrton on Thursday 04 April 24 10:00 BST (UK)
Hi, my Grandad was Richard Theodore Scarrott. After he and Selina Fudge separated he married my Grand Mother Elizabeth Maria Pike in 1935.