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Title: Here's a curly one! "completed- thank you"
Post by: nahbois on Tuesday 29 January 08 00:06 GMT (UK)
Ok here goes.  My g.g.grandfather was Henry Gauron - Born in Bloomsbury London and bap. St Pancras possibly Old Church. 1817.   His father was John Francis Nicholas Joseph Gauron/Gawron/Gawan.
John married Elizabeth Overee in 1783 Old Church St.Pancras.  She must have died without children.
John married a second time in 1796 to Mary Hoar. John and Mary had Elizabeth 1800,Mary,1802, Frederick Matthew 1804, Augusta 1805, Helen 1807,Jesse 1815 and Henry 1817 all bap. Old Church, St. Pancras.  John was an Engraver in Oxford St in the late 1700's, early 1800's.  He was known as both John or Joseph.   How would I find out the father of John Francis Nicholas Joseph Gauron?   Any ideas please people.  I would imagine John may have been born around 1750 ish to 1760's.  Oh and Jacob was his uncle. I have checked out the names on FamilySearch and none of them are our John Francis Nicholas Joseph.
Again, many thanks for any assistance.
Title: Re: Here's a curly one!
Post by: jorose on Tuesday 29 January 08 21:55 GMT (UK)
Lots of London parish records aren't on the IGI.

The surnames - and the use of multiple first names - seems French to me. Maybe check with the Huguenot society?

I found an interesting apprenticeship record:
1784: Gauron Lambert s Joseph, Clerkenwell, Mdx, modeller to Thomas Davies, 28 May 1784, Fishmongers' Company

This may be Lambert Bonaventur Gauron who married in 1791 in Westminster. Possibly a brother or cousin?
Title: Re: Here's a curly one!
Post by: nahbois on Tuesday 29 January 08 22:14 GMT (UK)
Thank you.  I have a Lambert and I am this moment trying to figure out where he comes into things. I also felt he could be a cousin/brother.  What I found was a Nicholas Joseph Francois Gauron came over from France as an apprentice to his Uncle Jacob - silversmith.  That was about 1750.  He then went back to France returning around 1770 to work as a modeller with the Chelsea porcelain factory and stayed until it closed.  Dont know where he went from there and the middle names always get juggled.
Now my ggg grandfather, Henry was a son of John Francis Nicholas Joseph Gauron and was born in Bloomsbury 1817which is four miles from Chelsa.  Due to the similarity of the middle names, I thought there could be a connection.  BUT I cant find it!!!!

I do not have the info you just found so thank you so much.
Title: Re: Here's a curly one!
Post by: nahbois on Tuesday 29 January 08 22:32 GMT (UK)
I forgot to mention that my Henry referred to his father as Joseph.  So he sounds like a brother to Lambert.  John Francis Nicholas Joseph Gauron was married twice and I think the first wife died. That would fit nicely. Thank you.
Title: Re: Here's a curly one!
Post by: jorose on Wednesday 30 January 08 10:22 GMT (UK)
I found a reference at JSTOR (you may not be able to access this) under 'Dawson: The Development of Repertoire in Mennecy Porcelain Sculpture, circa 1738-65.'

This talks about Nicholas Gauron, recorded at the Mennecy factory Jul 2 1753, and in the parish registers of Saint Cloud on Oct 3, 1756, he is recorded as:
'sculpteur du roi en l'academie royalle, demt. a Paris, fg St. Honore, psse de la Madeline.'

Reference is made to another article "Nicholas Gauron - a Virtuoso Modeler at Tournai and Chelsea" by T. Clifford, in "The Rococo in England: A Symposium" (ed: Charles Hind, London, 1986 - pages 161 to 174).  A copy of this book is held at the British Library - they do have a copying service, don't know that it's particularly cheap, though... :(

You might have some luck looking at Saint Cloud, Seine-et-Oise, parish records? (via the LDS).
Title: Re: Here's a curly one!
Post by: nahbois on Sunday 03 February 08 01:07 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much.   I will most definitely will check out the areas you mentioned.  I did find the article on  JSTOR but I did not know about the rest.  Again, much thanks for you help. Sue
Title: Re: Here's a curly one!
Post by: jennifer c on Tuesday 05 February 08 20:45 GMT (UK)
Hi, Holden 1811 directory gives a Lambert Guaron Merlin's Cave Spa Fields. It seems this was a Public House.

Jennifer
Title: Re: Here's a curly one!
Post by: nahbois on Tuesday 05 February 08 21:14 GMT (UK)
Thank you Jennifer.  I haven't come across that info before so thank you very much.  Another lead. Lambert is definitely related!!!! There appears to have been two - father and son.  Sue
Title: Re: Here's a curly one! "completed- thank you"
Post by: Clarsh607 on Thursday 19 November 20 10:46 GMT (UK)
Hello,

I'm studying the belgian manufactory of Liège, created by Nicolas-François Gauron (sometimes written Gavron) and François Lefébure in 1767.
This Gauron is born in 1736 in Paris. He worked at the Mennecy and Bourg-la-Rein soft-paste porcelain manufactories in 1753.
In 1758 he was chief-modeller in François Peterinck soft-paste manufactoy in Tournai and marries Caroline Guéry. He had a son in 1759 named Nic(h)olas (I guess the son also had his father's firstnames). He produced with Jacques Lefebvre the group Apotheose of Charles d'Oultremont (ruler of Liège).
He left Tournai for Bruxelles then Weesp (near A'dam) and finally fonded the manufactory in Liège in 1767. He left it in 1770 and went to England, he worked at William Duesbury's Chelsea-Derby manufactory. I have no further infos after that of his life or son.
Hope it'll help you.

For more details :
Breuer (Jacques), Artistes étrangers de passage au pays de Liège à la fin du XVIIIe siècle, BIAL, Tome XLIX, 1924, p. 111-179 [online]
PHOLIEN F., La Céramique au Pays de Liège, AUG. Bernard, Liège, 1906 [Book]
GADEYNE, E., Les Faïenceries liégeoises du XVIIIe siècle, Liège, 1955 [Book]
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W.H. TAPP, The Gaurons. Father and son sculptors of Tournai and Chelsea, in Apollo, mars 1942 ; vol. 35, n° 207 (I have the reference but not the article)

P.S. The books aren't available online. Some archives of Liege manufactory (letter, register, notarial deeds) are at the end of Gadeyne's book.
P.S.S. If you have more infos about Gauron father, it could interest me.
P.S.S.S. Sorry about my English, I'm a French speaker
Title: Re: Here's a curly one! "completed- thank you"
Post by: nahbois on Thursday 19 November 20 23:46 GMT (UK)
Hello,
I am speaking with my cousin before making sure I send through the correct information for you.
Nicolas Joseph had two sons as far we know.  John Francis Nicolas Joseph and Lambert Buonaventure Gauron.  We could not find where they were born and thought around the 1760 mark.  We have not been able to find any info on Nicolas Joseph's father.   Yes, Gauron has been written incorrectly right through the records.   When I first started looking it was thought Nicolas and Joseph were brothers. Then it turned out they were one person, Nicolas Joseph Francois Gauron.   Will be back on contact with you soon.   So good to hear from you.
Susan
Title: Re: Here's a curly one! "completed- thank you"
Post by: nahbois on Saturday 21 November 20 00:41 GMT (UK)
Hello again,
We are convinced that the son Nicolas/Nicholas was John Francois Joseph Nicolas Gauron. His father being Nicolas Joseph Francois Gauron. There was a second Son. Lambert Buonaventure Gauron.
Christian names were mixed around quite a lot it seems.  Nicolas Joseph Francois Gauron was often referred to as Nicolas Francois Gauron.  We cant find any info on the birth of Nicolas Joseph Francois in 1736 but believe his grandfather to have been Nicolas Gauron(possibly with same middle names)He married Marguerite Ramboult in Rue Mon Marche 2nd March 1710.  Sorry, my French is bad! Is it possible for you to check out this marriage for us please?
John Francois Nicolas Gauron won a prize of five guineas from the London Society of the Arts for a model made from wax. Participants had to be under 21 years of age. This was in 1775. He then became an Engraver (including official making of Seals) He married twice and died in St. Pancras London in May 1822. He is my third great grandfather.
Lambert was also a Seal Engraver.  Merlin's Cave was a Tea House off Black Mary's Hole Road and Kings Row, London. He married a Caroline and had seven children, one named Lambert Nicolas Gauron who suffered from poor site but was a watch guard maker. Lambert B died in St. James, Clerkenwell London in Jan 1823.
Title: Re: Here's a curly one! "completed- thank you"
Post by: Clarsh607 on Thursday 03 December 20 19:47 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I could check the Gauron's marriage for you but I need more informations about the location. About the street name, is it a translation you did ? I can't find it and I need the city or borough to know where to send an e-mail to the archives. They aren't online or centralised before 1860.
I may have found Caroline Guéry's family (I'm not sure about it, didn't send them an e-mail yet). She was "my" Gauron's wife (the 1736 guy) if you are interested in ?
Title: Re: Here's a curly one! "completed- thank you"
Post by: nahbois on Friday 04 December 20 02:08 GMT (UK)
Hi, contacted cousin in Canberra again....this is her reply. His name was written as Nicholas Garnon, maitre-sculpteur a Paris, living at Rue Montmartre, Paris married 2 March 1710 to Marguerite Raimbault. Also if there were any children born to them.  My cousin thinks he could be the grandfather of our Nicholas Joseph Francois Gauron born 1736 in Paris.  Any info on Caroline Guery would be wonderful as we think she married at possibly 14!
If we can help you with any more info please let us know.
Many thanks and good luck, Susan