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Hello again and welcome to this weeks Scavenger Hunt. And it's Karenlee's turn to get your grey matter working overtime........and this one is a dooooooozy. It looks relatively simple on first viewing, but I urge you to look again and then get your thinking caps on. Karen has promised she will supply a very large bottle of Champagne to whoever solves this problem for her.........well, she didn't actually say that, but I know she'll blow a very large kiss in your direction......... ;D ;D
Good Luck and Good Hunting
Barbara
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Hello Fellow Scavenger Hunters.
I need some help with the 1861 Census, and 2 families that have remained elusive for quite a long while. Here's hoping that one of you can track them down .....
1) The family of George and Sarah ( nee WHITE ) GREEN who married 31st May 1846. George is a gardener born 1818- ish Brentford Middlesex and Sarah born 1825 -ish Southampton Hampshire. Known children are George William 1847, Emily 1848, Edmund 1851, Sarah 1852, Louisa 1859, Emma 1862, Isabella 1865. Possible children are Henry and Jane Elizabeth 1857 and Harry 1863. I have them on all the other Census as follows :-
1851 Turnpike Road Hayes Middlesex
1871 5 Oldham Terrace Acton Middlesex
1881 Mill Hill Grove 7 Poltimore Terrace Acton Middlesex
1891 9 Poltimore Terrace Acton Middlesex
1901 14 Winchester Terrace Acton Middlesex
2) The family of Edward Charles James SHAW, Surgeon, born about 1808 in London, and which ever wife he had with him in 1861.
( He is my serial bigamist........ first marries Elizabeth Sarah TIMS 1830, Surrey, Then came Mary Ann EDWARDS in 1831, Stepney, but he went to jail for a while for marrying her while still married to Elizabeth. Then came Elizabeth Mary Ann TREWEN in 1834, but no proof yet that the first Elizabeth is dead. Then there's Ann BROWN 1855 Derbyshire. )
I know that he had one son with Ann .... Edward William SHAW born Staffordshire 1856.
I have Edward on 2 census only....
1851 Maze Pond St Olave Southwark
1871 Boreham Moor Barnet Hertfordshire
I know that he died in 1877 in Barnet. I have his wife Ann on the 1881, 1891 and 1901. I have his son Edward William in 1891 as a widow with a young daughter, who I found still with Ann SHAW in 1901.
CONFUSED.... good, so am I.
Good luck
Karenlee
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helloooooooooooo
I'm here ...ready to go
deb ;D
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Hi Deb, I told Karen there would probably be three pages (at least) of information to wade through when she got up..............so you'd better get stuck in ;D ;D ;D
Barbara
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bookmarking, still at work ::) :o
i thought we had a new person on here called dooooozzy ! ;D
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WEll it looks like in 1831 he was in Lambeth - from the sunlife insurance indexes A2A
1831
Insured: Edward Charles James Shaw, 6 Milner Terrace New Cut Lambeth, surgeon
Debbie
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are there sunlife insurance indexes?
i had a man from the pru! (prudential), do you know if there are indexes for them, sorry don't mean to get sidetracked.
Debzzzzz
had Shaws, will read what you need and then look at Debz hunt.
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Debbie, I hope that's the right Shaw................Karen would be tickled pink if it was.
Barbara
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Toni Sorry - only know of the Sun Life ones that are on A2A
Debbie
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Just in case they had already moved to 5, Oldham Terrace by 1861 I thought I would check. The enumeration district shown begins at 6, Oldham Terrace! Page missing?
Glen
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I know Karen has already found him in 1851 but I thought others should see it. It seems that the first wife Elizabeth Sarah (nee Tims) had him back after the trouble cos in 1851
Edward Shaw 43 head surgeon born Shoreditch
Elizabeth Shaw 44 wife born Bloomsbury
Sarah Larkin 76 visitor wid born St Martins
Jane Delaney 48 serv
Mary Toomey 16 serv
I am fairly sure this must be the fist wife Elizabeth cos the Sarah Larkin listed as visitor is Elizabeth Tims mother who gave evidence against him at his trial
:o
Debbie
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strewth ................ I have been looking all morning ... and come up with nothing .....arrgghhhhh
deb :-\
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Does that mean she had him back after TWO other "wives".
Or when was he with Elizabeth Trewin ?
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Well Karen says 1834 for the third marriage so yes cos in 1851 he's back with wifey no 1
Debbie
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I am sure Karenlee has this
But now we have an area and not just London , for ECJ Shaw, POB
IGI extracted:
EDWARD CHARLES JAMES SHAW
birth;31 JUL 1808
chr:08 JUL 1812 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London
parents;
edward Shaw and Hannah
deb ;D
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Just found 2 little snippets about our man from Google Books
1874 Medical Register
Edward Charles James Shaw 268 Caledonian road London N Lic Soc Apothocaries London 1829, mem Royal collage of Surgeons Eng 1834
Snippet from 'The Journal of Mental science 1868"
The Commisioners of Lunacy against Dr Edward Charles James Shaw residing at The Firs Boreham Wood Elstree Hertfordshire. The charges against him are under the 8th & 9th Vict. cap 100 set 90
for taking or having charge of a lunatic for profit, without the certificate required by the act and under the 16th & 17th Vict.cap 96 sec 9 for having wilfully neglected the lunatic.
Debbie
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Had a look at 1861 Acton Census - if George & Sarah Green were at No. 5 Oldham Terrace, we might be out of luck. There's no description online for Enumeration District 1; the first page of the actual census is damaged, and the first full entry was probably No. 6 Oldham Terrace, as No. 7 is next in the undamaged part. So, it looks like the page with No. 5 on has been lost or is unfilmed...
...will now try the rest of Acton (image by image) - haven't given up hope yet! :)
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hi
I am posting this so we don't have to keep refering back to the censues
re: The GREENs
1851; Hayes
George Green haed mar 3 gardener b acton middx
Sarah wife 26 b Beaulieu Hampshire
Emley (sic) dau 3 b Acton
Edmund son 2m b Acton
1871;
george Green gardener b Acton
Sarah wife 46 b Hants
George son 21 or 24 ? b Acton .... where is he in 1851?
Jane dau 13 b acton ...Karenlee does not have her ? :-\
Louise dau 10 b Acton
Arrabell dau 6 b Acton ...Is this Isabelle that Karenlee has in her first post ?
keep on trying Brambletye.... ;D
Good finds Debbie :) .... seems like ECJ Shaw was quite some guy :o
I am still looking for him in 1861 ....
deb :)
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wonder if this is our Sarah Green nee White b Beaulieu?
IGI, submitted
23 FEB 1827 Beauliew, , Hampshire
parents; Joseph White and Diana
deb
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Had a look at 1861 Acton Census - if George & Sarah Green were at No. 5 Oldham Terrace, we might be out of luck. There's no description online for Enumeration District 1; the first page of the actual census is damaged, and the first full entry was probably No. 6 Oldham Terrace, as No. 7 is next in the undamaged part. So, it looks like the page with No. 5 on has been lost or is unfilmed...
...will now try the rest of Acton (image by image) - haven't given up hope yet! :)
Tried the rest of Acton, no joy - if George & Susan are there, it's in the missing or unfilmed bit.
I am only doing this online though - worth contacting the R.O. to see what they say about the originals?
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I wonder if we should look for Edward Charles James Shaw under his 'alias' which he used when marrying Mary Ann edwards ...
this is from the court hearings at the old Bailey ...
this is the register of marriages there; I remember the prisoner being married that day in that church, by the name of Edward Stanley Smith , Esq.; he married Mary Ann Edwards
I had seen him two or three months before at Cheltenham, and asked him if his name was Shaw - he said, "No, my name is Thompson," and he went away - I am sure he is the man.
deb
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Just confirming the baptism of Sarah WHITE daughter of Joseph & Diana at Beaulieu 23th February 1827.
It's a common name - can't be sure it's her without her marriage certificate.
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Dr Shaw's mother-in-law's (first wife) death
Deaths Jun 1852 (>99%)
LARKIN Sarah Ann St Olave 1d 35
Larkin Sarah Ann St Olave Southwark 1d 35
LARKIN Sarah Ann S. Olave 1d 35
Larkin Sarah Ann St Olave Southwark 1d 35
Not sure why it's in there 4 times though
Debbie
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I have been trying to find Sarah Larkin , formerly Tims, in 1841 to see if her daughter is with her .... no luck so far ...
I wonder who registered Sarah Larkin's death ?
It also seems strange that Sarah Larkin is with her daughter , Elizabeth and Edward CJ Shaw in 1851, seeing as sarah had spoken out against him ...maybe they all made friends again ... ;D
Hi Bearkat ... good point re, Sarah White's christening ...I wonder if karenlee has their marriage cert ?
deb ;D
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This may be Sarah Ann Larkin in 1841, but sadly she is not with daughter Elizabeth
St Pancras - Frederick Place
HO107-0684 Folio No 3\31 Page 56
Edward Pridway (? I think) 60 Ind N
Christina " 55 N
Sarah " 16 Y
Sarah Ann Larkin 60 Ind N
Mary Bradford 45 F.S. N
Whats also bugging me is I can't find Edward William the son born 1856 in 1861 either
Debbie
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Faculty Office Marriage License index entries
30 Oct 1834 SHAW Edward Charles James TREWREN Eliza Mary Ann
29 May 1830 SHAW Edw'd Cha's J TIMS Elizabeth S
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I can't either debbie ..atone time I thought I had him as a puil somewhere ...but not him !
I was also trying to figure out who Edward wm Shaw b 1856 married ,,, in 1891 he is a widower with his mum and his 6month old daughter , Ivy E shaw.
I saw a marriage for Edward Wm Shaw .. 1890, sept q ...with Susannah Bendall and Annie Maria Bovington on the same page ...
I am hoping that Karenlee has Ivy's birth cert .... Karenleeeeeee ...wake uppppppppppp .... ;D ::)
Edward CJ Shaw ...where is he in 1841 ... ? Did Eliza Mary Ann Trewin die ? eekkkk
deb
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missing 1861(england) census:~
from: http://www.familyhistory.uk.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=73&Itemid=2
Missing pieces of the 1861 census
There are a number of enumeration books missing, or parts of enumeration books (usually missing start or finish), from the 1861 census. Below is a list of the books affected that we know of, both those missing in their entirety (M) and those which are incomplete (I) in the National Archives.
145 Middlesex Islington Islington East (2) Islington M
217 Middlesex West London West London North (1) St Bartholomew the Less I
219 Middlesex West London West London South (2) Barnard's Inn M
220 Middlesex London City London City SW (1) St Augustine Watling Street I
229 Middlesex London City London City NE (5) St Christopher le Stock I
407 Kent Greenwich Woolwich Arsenal (6) Woolwich M
473 Kent North Aylesford Northfleet (1) Ifield I
485 Kent Malling East Peckham (2) Wateringbury: Lily Hoe I
499 Kent Maidstone Loose (3) Barming I
499 Kent Maidstone Loose (3) West Barming I
541 Kent Eastry Wingham (2) Goodnestone I
565 Sussex Battle Battle (3) Penhurst I
601 Sussex Brighton The Palace (3) Brighton M
690 Hampshire Winchester The Worthys (2) Lainston I
758 Berkshire Windsor Egham (1) Thorpe (Surrey) I
837 Hertfordshire Hemel Hempstead Kings Langley (1) Flaunden I
863 Buckinghamshire Wycombe Princes Risborough (5) Illmire I
903 Oxfordshire Woodstock Woodstock (2) Wootton
Stonesfield
Combe
Woodstock
Blenheim
Bladon
Hensington
Begbroke
Shipton on Cherwell
Hampton-Gay
Hampton-Poyle
Kidlington
Gosford
Thrup
Water-Eaton
Woolvercot
Yarnton
Cassington
Worton M
952 Northamptonshire Wellingborough Higham Ferrers (2) Irchester I
952 Northamptonshire Wellingborough Higham Ferrers (2) Irthlingborough I
1039 Cambridgeshire Ely Ely (3) Ely Trinity
Ely College
Ely St Mary
Stuntney
Chettisham M
1047 Cambridgeshire Wisbech Leverington (1) Tydd St Giles I
1047 Cambridgeshire Wisbech Leverington (1) Leverington: Parson Drove I
1194 Norfolk Yarmouth Yarmouth Northern (2) Great Yarmouth: Cobham Island I
1234 Norfolk Depwade Forncett (4) Great Moulton
Aslacton
Forncett St Peter
Forncett St Mary
Hapton
Ashwellthorpe
Fundenhall
Tacolnestone
Bunwell
Carleton-Rode
Tibenham M
1984 Staffordshire Wolverhampton Tettenhall (1) Pattingham: Rudge (Shropshire) I
2211 Warwickshire Rugby Rugby (1) Newbold-upon-Avon: Little Lawford
Long Lawford I
2211 Warwickshire Rugby Rugby (1) Monks Kirby: Easenhall I
2247 Leicestershire Lutterworth Lutterworth (1) Claybrooke: Wigston Parva I
2365 Lincolnshire Horncastle Wragby (1) Hatton I
2365 Lincolnshire Horncastle Wragby (1) Baumber a.k.a. Bamburgh I
2365 Lincolnshire Horncastle Wragby (1) Gautby I
2365 Lincolnshire Horncastle Wragby (1) Waddingworth I
2625 Cheshire Great Boughton Chester Castle (2) Chester St John the Baptist I
3278 West Yorkshire Halifax Halifax (4) Halifax I
3388 West Yorkshire Leeds West Leeds (3) Leeds NW Ward M
3652 North Yorkshire Guisborough Marske (2) Marske: Redcar I
3735 Durham Durham Lanchester (2) Brancepeth: Hedley Hope I
3855 Northumberland Castle Ward Stamfordham (2) Newburn: Black Callerton
Butterlaw
East & West Whorlton
Newbiggin
East & West Denton
Newburn Hall
Sugley I
3913 Cumberland Carlisle Wetheral (1) I
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WOW Toni ...that's a whole lot of missing people .....wonder if my Penfolds were anywhere there in 1861.... ;D ;D
deb
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Dr Shaw's mother-in-law's (first wife) death
Not sure why it's in there 4 times though
Debbie
because 4 different people have entered the information,
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stating the obvious but it cetainly looks like they were in Acton in 1861 due to the birth of their children either side of the census both being in Acton.
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re: The GREENs
1851; Hayes
Edmund son 2m b Acton
1871;
George son 21 or 24 ? b Acton .... where is he in 1851?
deb :)
could they equal the same person? ???
Mar 1851 Green Edmund Uxbridge 3 455
do. Green George Frederic Islington 3 276
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Hmm look whats at the PRO
not sure that it would help at all - it might be interesting to see if she mentions her son-in-law and in what terms :)
Online Document PROB 11/2156
Will of Sarah Ann Larkin , Widow of Southwark , Surrey
Date: 1852.
Debbie
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great find Debbie ;D
I found this in 1851;
George Green , grandson , 5 living with Mary Green, widow, 64 , laundress and maria, 25 unm. all born ACTON.! Living in Acton, Cock and C yard.
This could be him if he is 24 in the 1871 I found ...maybe someone can recheck original.
deb
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well the transcribers have put 21 , bt it is very hard to make out as it has been struck through
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Hi Toni ..Thanks for checking... on Karenlee's first page she has George Wm Green as being born 1847... hopefully she will also know the parents of George Green snr and his siblings ...so that we can match George jnr in 1851.
deb :)
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Blimey page 3 already :o
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Blimey Page 3 ALREADY is right Lesanne.....
Sorry to not have made it here sooner but yesterday was an absolute dooozzzeeey (to use a Barbara-ism ).
First day back to school for the youngest one, and racing around frantic - as you do - managed to hurl myself down the back stairs. Superficial injuries only thankfully, but a bit sore and sorry this morning. Luckily I had arms full of stuff and could not put my hands out to break my fall, otherwise I could well be nursing a few broken bones. All is good now, and getting ready to take the Teenager back to school ... and buy yet more new uniforms. Wish they'd stop growing. ;D ;D
To clarify a bit and answer some questions.
GREEN family first :-
I have marriage for George and Sarah, and have Sarah's family back for a few generations in Beaulieu, Hampshire.
I have contacted the RO and they say that the Acton/Brentford area in 1861 is complete and intact. I don't believe them but......
Arrabella is sometimes Isabella ( maybe coz she was just known mostly as Bella )
George Jnr was with his grandmother in 1851... she was either Mary or Maria GREEN and her husband was yet another George GREEN.
As for the SHAW family :-
I have the will of both Sarah Ann LARKIN, mother in law, and Edward Gerrard SHAW, father of the notorious Edward. Also the Insurance stuff... his Dad turns up there as well as he had a pub in Covent Garden.
I did not have the Medical Files stuff the DebbieG unearthed.... amazing.
I will be back soon... gotta get the Teenager to school and spend some more money.
I can do a better read through then and hopefully help a bit more.
Many thanks
Karenlee
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I did say there'd be three pages.... ;).......this lot find stuff like you wouldn't believe......... ;D ;D ;D
Barbara
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So I see Barbara....... great aren't they.
"Whats also bugging me is I can't find Edward William the son born 1856 in 1861 either" ----- agreed DebbieG, since his parents were married in Derbyshire, he was born in Staffordshire.... and they all ended up in Barnet, they could be just about anywhere in between.......... ::) ::)
I have a copy of the SHAW trail at the Old Bailey, and it seems that Mrs Sarah Ann LARKIN was indeed the one who got her son in law put away for a while.... so I did wonder why she was living with them at Census time.......... perhaps they kissed and made up, or he was making nice to get something from her when she died. She left him 100 pounds sterling and her daughter Elizabeth Sarah 50 pounds sterling per annum - 25 pound paid half yearly.
So that means that Elizabeth was still alive in 1852 when the Will was proved ( proven?? ). So what on earth happened to Eliza TREWEN then..... perhaps she was another "mistake" marriage??
Karenlee
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Just found a notice in the London Gazette dated September 17th 1869 which show that Edward Charles James SHAW of Boreham Wood in the parish of Elstree in the county of Hertford, Surgeon, was declared Bankrupt. Looks like things finally caught up with him then.......
Karenlee
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presumably you have searched under the
Surname variants
shaw
shears
shea
share
shay
showers
shawe
shear
shawl
sharr
schaw
Shore
Sure etc.
for the son b. 1856 Edward William
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You presume correctly toni, and I searched just for Edward born about 1856, and Edward W and Edward William and William Edward and E W and E..... and ... and ...and ::) ::)
Karenlee
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do you have EWS in later census?
just trying to work al the options perhaps he had died.
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....and I think I searched all those too at some stage.......... ;D ;D
.......dee
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Don't tell me it's another one sitting in the pub having a beer with Ernest......... ::) ::) ::)
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on two census i have a woman as married
now her husband was nowhere to be seen but helpfully the enumarator had put husband in California!
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sorry to ask again but did you search under his initals? intistutions (prisons, workhouses, industrial schools) listed people under same
i did find this death which is only slightly out with his yob
SHAW Edward William 42 Hendon.3a 162 Q1 1901
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I'm hoping this might be useful -
From Post Office Directory 1855 for Essex, Herts, Kent Etc., Counties & Localities Section
Pages 607 & 608 - Homerton (near Hackney) Middx
p.607 Edward Shaw Esq, High Street Homerton
and better still, same man listed under his profession:
p.608 Edward Shaw, Surgeon, High Street Homerton
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so re Edward William Shaw you have his birth in 1856
he appears in 1891 widowed with a young daughter and in 1901 he is with mother still or is it just the daughter with his mother in 1901.
now i looked for an Edward Shaw marriage 1881-1891 (fullBMD)
whilst it throws up 59 possibilites in relatiy only two have a middle name of William (that includes any initials of W)
SHAW Edward William Ecclesall Bierlow.9c 371 Q2 1885
SHAW Edward William Yeovil.5c 609 Q1 1886
are these the wrong are to be your EWS
with a name of just Edward in the index there are 39 possibilites
i won't list them al but an idea of area would eb good,
where was the young daughter born?
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...and I wonder if this is just coincidence...
1861 Census Middx. Westminster St Anne, 25 King Street
Chamberlain Brown age 35, Tea Grocer b. Market Overton, Rutland
Sarah Jane Brown Wife age 28 b. Lewes, Sussex
Alice Maud Brown dau age 6 b. Brighton Sussex
Anne Shaw Visitor Married age 39, Nurse b. Market Overton, Rutland
Margaret Williams Visitor Married age 24 Traveller's wife b. Dublin
Sarah Marshall Serv age 40 Unm b. Middx St James
...so, we have an Anne Shaw visiting the Brown household, both she and Head of household b. same place, and she is a nurse.
Might tie in nicely with a certain Edward Shaw, also in the medical profession? (but not, unfortunately, in the household at the time, will keep trying...)
(ADDED: Brought forward from Karenlee's info, Edward Shaw Snr.'s final wife in the series was Ann Brown, m. 1855 Derbyshire)
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Ivy Eveline (Evelyn) is born Islington according to the census
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I know that he had one son with Ann .... Edward William SHAW born Staffordshire 1856.
I have his son Edward William in 1891 as a widow with a young daughter, who I found still with Ann SHAW in 1901.
Karenlee
can i have ref for these census please i cannot find them ::)
trying to trace EWS daughters birth and subsequently his marriage and his wifes death, which may help place them (him) in earlier census
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Hi everyone ...
I have searched and searched 1861 in Acton for the greens , using fornames , no names , dates , no dates etc .... There is nothing.
I was also trying to figure out who Edward wm Shaw b 1856 married ,,, in 1891 he is a widower with his mum and his 6month old daughter , Ivy E shaw.
I saw a marriage for Edward Wm Shaw .. 1890, sept q ...with Susannah Bendall and Annie Maria Bovington on the same page ...
I am hoping that Karenlee has Ivy's birth cert .... Karenleeeeeee ...wake uppppppppppp .... ;D ::)
Edward CJ Shaw ...where is he in 1841 ... ? Did Eliza Mary Ann Trewin die ? eekkkk
deb
I wonder if Edward Shaw jnr.'s wife died in childbirth?
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thanks Deb / Glenclare
will follow up on that
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Hi :)
Bambletye's last post looks good ... maybe we should find Chamberlain Brown in previous censuses and see if Ann if with them and the family. If this is our Anne in 1861 ...where is her husband and child ?
Will check up ....
deb
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I found this - which means that Ann Shaws father was called William - she is given as born in Derby on other census years, Rutland is a bit far away, and he doesn't mention a son Chamberlain Brown :-\
MENTIONED IN WILL 1875
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30 William BROWN,Derby mentions;
dau Ann wife of Edward Charles James SHAW Doctor pf Medicine
property in Vernon Street.
Frederick LONGDON Derby elastic web Manufacturer.
James Sherwin CLARK Derby maltster.
wife Ann
Josh. RATCLIFFE Solr witness
William PEACH Clerk to Mr RATCLIFFE witness
made 1866
Debbie
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rambling to myself mainly
Ivy Eveline Shaw b Q4 1890 Islington 1b 239
(two possible marriages for her based on the middle initial, SHAW Ivy E spouse Kent Wolstanton.6b 297 Q4 1914
SHAW Ivy E spouse Yates Gainsborough.7a 2051 Q4 1920 )
if the marrige Deb found is correct then the bride was 'well gone'
EWS was widowed by the 1891 census
but i cant find a relevant deathh for the two posible brides that Deb found
perhaps they ha 'irreconcible differences'
if you are divorced what do they put on a census?
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arrgghhhhh
Found Chamberlain Brown (15) in 1841 .... looks like his dad was Robert, a farmer in Rutland. He has a sister called ann ... she is 20.
Our Ann Brown's dad was , William. They could be cousins ... ? :-\
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Back to Square One for me, I think - IGI has been collapsing on me all morning, but just found an Anne Brown chr. 16.6.1822 Market Overton, dau. of James Brown or Tailor (could be profession?) and Ann Leeson.
Not our Ann on the 1861, then. :(
...and on IGI Chamberlain Brown is son of Robert Brown.
Chamberlain m. Sarah Jane Fuller 22.9.1853 All Saints Lewes.
Ah well - I'll have another go...
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If you take the 1891 at face value then Ivy's mother has to have died Q4 1890 or Q1 1891. The only death registered in Islington that would fit would be for Janet Shaw, age 29, died Q4 1890. But I can't find her anywhere else.
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If you take the 1891 at face value then Ivy's mother has to have died Q4 1890 or Q1 1891. The only death registered in Islington that would fit would be for Janet Shaw, age 29, died Q4 1890. But I can't find her anywhere else.
yes i was working on the that basis
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Just ducked in to see how you lot were getting on... about to do the school run, but will be back in about half and hour.
To answer a couple of questions raised overnight...
Yes I have checked for Edward William SHAW using only initials......
No I don't have his marriage yet, or the birth cert for his daughter Ivy, they are next on the list after pay day next Thursday.
Ann BROWN's father was William... I have the will as mentioned previously.
It is not usually mentioned on a census in the UK if a person is divorced.
The Ann SHAW, nurse, in 1861 might be a great place to start I think.
Better go... be back soon
Many thanks
Karenlee
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Back to Square One for me, I think - IGI has been collapsing on me all morning, but just found an Anne Brown chr. 16.6.1822 Market Overton, dau. of James Brown or Tailor (could be profession?) and Ann Leeson.
Not our Ann on the 1861, then. :(
...and on IGI Chamberlain Brown is son of Robert Brown.
Chamberlain m. Sarah Jane Fuller 22.9.1853 All Saints Lewes.
Ah well - I'll have another go...
Unfortunately, Ann's dad was a James, if the IGI is right...
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was that extracted Bramble?
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Ah - it's up there twice for Anne, both submitted...
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Good Evening people............Here's the link to this weeks Scavenger Hunt, but please do continue with Karen's as well.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,283786.new.html#new
Barbara
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Ignore this ... only posting about four weeks late....