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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: carolanne on Tuesday 29 January 08 19:01 GMT (UK)
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I wonder if anyone as any idea why my Chappell family should be in France in the early 1860's.I have the parents birth and details of their marraige and the 1841 and 1851 census .Their 4 eldest children were born between 1847 and 1857 in Barnsley Yorkshire the 3 youngest children were all born in France between 1859 and 1866 by the 1871 census they are back in Barnsley and the head of the family is the mother and she is a widow. I have the rest of the census and have followed the family upto them getting married so I'm not asking anyone to search the census.The head of the family was a power loom weaver is this why they went abroad ? as anybody else had this happen in their family tree or does anybody know how i can search for them in France.
Regards Carolanne
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Hi Carolanne,
I can't really help I'm afraid except to proffer a couple of
ideas. The Power loom was introduced to Barnsley in 1837 and several
factories sprang up. The Linen and cloth from these factories was exported
World wide and especially to continental Europe.
I also think that Looms made by such firms as Wilson & Longbottoms
were exported abroad.
It could be that they went to France to show them how to operate some
machinery that had been exported ( A bit like a company Rep. ) or to take
advantage of the weaving Industries that were opening up there that would
require skilled workers.
Tomkin
P.S. If you look at Barnsleys coat of arms you will see 2 shuttles that represent
the 19th century Linen industry for which it was famous.
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Hiya Tomkin
Thanks very much for your reply and explanation I did wonder if it was to with his occupation. To say I'm from Barnsley doesn't say much for me not to notice whats on the coat of arms ??? I'll go have a look now.
Regards Carolanne
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My family are also Chappells from Barnsley. My dad did some research a number of years ago and also found records of children born in France. He thought they were boot makers by trade and presumed they had gone for work, possibly attached to the army. I will check the notes he made at the time and see if he found out any more.
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There's been a lot of water flowing under the bridge in the past 10 years and a lot of alterations I can remember asking about these Chappell's but going back to this family just now I can't see any born in France, so I need to check everyone again hope they haven't gone out shopping or down to the pub.
DUH :-[ it would help if I'd looked in the correct tree, they are Power Loom Weavers well the head of the family is and that was the reason for asking.
Regards Carolanne
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Good evening Carolanne 💐
No rush for this request Carolanne. I wondered if you would be good enough do carry out a search for me in Barnsley Cemetery?
I found the birth of a “Katie Kelly” 1892 in Barnsley 9c p243. Sadly I found that little Katie died in 1883 9c p163. I’m wondering if she is part of my Kelly family and therefore would be buried in section Za where the rest of my Kelly family are resting, albeit in various graves. Would you mind having a look for me? I also have family named Stockton who are buried in section Za that you kindly found for me a few years ago.
When it is safe to do so I have planned to meet members of the family still living in Barnsley at Barnsley Cemetery to try and find the graves of our ancestors. Although, last time I looked Za was just a large grassy area with no indication of grave plots/numbers. Any advice would be helpful Carolanne, thank you.
I hope you are keeping safe and well during these challenging times, i think it will be a while before people trust to life in the new normal, slowly but surely! Have a lovely Easter🐣🐰🐥
Looking forward to hearing from you
Very best wishes Dawn 🌈💐
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Hi Dawn
Sorry but I've only just seen this, since I got a new laptop my Barnsley Burial Records don't work like they use to but I'll have a go if not I'll ask my cousin to have a look tomorrow. If we can find the plot number you need to get in touch with the main office at Barnsley Crematorium they have all the plots listed and they used to when asked send you a print out with the plot marked.
I'm keeping safe and well thanks.
Take care
Carol
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Thank you Carolanne, much appreciated 🌈💐🌞 Dawn
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Hi Dawn
I've managed to get in but can't see a burial for a Katie Kelly in Barnsley Cemetery, did you know that the GRO index now gives the mothers maiden name this might help you finding out if she's one of yours. I've just looked for the one you have listed and the mothers maiden name is Egan.
Regards
Carol
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Is this the same child?
Death
Kate Kelly
Dec 1893
Barnsley
age 1
Burial
Kate Kelly aged 20 months
buried 11th October 1893
Worsbrough Dale, Yorkshire.
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Thank you Carolanne, my 2x great grandma's maiden name was Egan she married Patrick Kelly. So little Katie Kelly’s mother was Egan, That’s amazing!
My husband and I are planning on coming to Barnsley in May, not sure where to stay yet The Ibis at Dodworth if The Toby is open for meals or The Premier Inn! 🤷♀️ I’ll let you know
Take care, I’m thrilled you found a missing child born to Patrick and Maria Kelly/Egan
Best wishes Dawn 🌈💐🌞
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Ah Carolanne, Comberton has kindly replied with information of a buriel for a Kate Kelly (thank you) buried 11 October 1893 aged 20 months at Worsbrough Dale. Is there any way I can find out if this baby Kate is the a child of Patrick and Maria Egan/Kelly?
Thank you Dawn 💐💐
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Just in case she is yours.
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Hello Comberton
Thank you for the information I’m looking into it. Dee💐💐
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Well it looks like the birth is her, not sure if it will mention any parents names on the death cert but its possible I'd say send for the death cert.
Regards Carol
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Hi Carolanne
Thank you so much for that. Another person sent me information of a Kate Kelly death in 1893. Burial in the parish of St. Thomas Worsbrough Dale 6th October 1893 age 20 heavenly months it says, 💔 they lived in Worsbrough before moving to Tune Street, Barnsley. This probably is the little one I’ve been looking for so yes I will send for the death certificate.
I’ll let you know the results in due course. Take care Carolanne bless you! 💐🌈💐 Dawn
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Thanks, you too take care
Carol
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Is this the same child?
Death
Kate Kelly
Dec 1893
Barnsley
age 1
Burial
Kate Kelly aged 20 months
buried 11th October 1893
Worsbrough Dale, Yorkshire.
Dear Comberton
Could I trouble you to find information on this child.....?
Annie Kelly born 1887 reg quarter Jan,Feb,Mar v9c p192 Barnsley
Died 1887 reg quarter Jan,Feb,Mar v9c p112 Barnsley
Family lived in Worsbrough so may be buried there. I wondered if this little one was a daughter of Patrick and Maria Kelly (maiden name, Egan) she may be the sister of Katie Kelly the little girl you found earlier for me thank you much appreciated
Kind regards
LadyDee, Dawn 💐
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Annie Kelly born 1887 registered Barnsley has the mother’s maiden name of Tampling.