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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: april betty on Saturday 09 February 08 00:22 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I am new to this, and am trying to find my grand-father (Amos)'s brother William. He was an assisted emigrant to Australia, sailing on the SS Devon, leaving the UK in December, 1880 and arriving in Sydney, NSW Jan. 1881, aged 18. He died c1943. His parents were James Bannister and Mary Ann Malin. He was born in Headington, Oxfordshire, in 1872, James was born at Beckley (1830), Oxfordshire and Mary (c1833) at Emmington, also in Oxfordshire.
My mother could only remember about an apple orchard, and a daughter who was a nurse/matron.
My grand-dad died in 1949, and I have no further information. Not much to go on is it. Any help appreciated.
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Hi April Betty
Welcome to Rootschat
I hope we can help you!
Just to note - William BANNISTER was age 18 when he arrived in Sydney 1881. So he was born abt 1862. Can see him in the 1871 Census in Headington, with his parents.
Is it Australian records you are looking for - ie what happened to him after he arrived ? Is it in regards to him that Mum recalls the Apple Orchard - and was it his daughter or a sister? who was a nurse/matron?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Maybe some of this rings a bell / ties in:
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
DEATHS
1943 LISMORE - BANNISTER William - Father: JAMES, Mother: MARY ANN
1938 LISMORE - BANNISTER Eliza - Father: THOMAS, Mother: HANNAH
MARRIAGE
1886 OBERON - BANNISTER William and CHARLES Eliza
BIRTH
1864 BATHURST - Eliza CHARLES - Father: THOMAS, Mother: HANNAH
1857 LIVERPOOL - Eliza A CHARLES - Father: THOMAS, Mother: HANNAH
BIRTHS: To parents named William and Eliza between 1885 and 1907
15407/1887 EAST MACQUARIE - BANNISTER WALTER
15268/1889 OBERON - BANNISTER ETHEL M
20478/1891 EAST MACQUARIE - BANNISTER ADA M
6545/1894 BERRY - BANNISTER UNNAMED MALE
5457/1896 MURWILLUMBAH - BANNISTER HERBERT W
32720/1898 MURWILLUMBAH - BANNISTER JAMES B
33839/1901 MURWILLUMBAH - BANNISTER GEORGE T
21107/1904 CASINO - BANNISTER THELMA L
Australian national Archives
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch.aspx
Has the digitised WW1 Record of James Byron BANNISTER who joined 1918 - was born 30 Jan 1898 in town of Bangalow, which is in the Murwillumbah District.
His joined in Lismore, was unmarried and his next of Kin was his father William BANNISTER of Casino Road South Lismore.
Also has the WW1 Record of Herbert William BANNISTER who joined 1916 age 20 (so born abt 1896) - was born in Byron Bay; next of Kin was his father Wm. BANNISTER of South Lismore, Richmond River NSW.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Many thanks for all that info. Yes it is only Australian records I need.
Mum said she thought he went to live on an apple orchard, and it began with a C(!)
She was to go to Australia to live with the family after her mother died, but WW1 intervened and she never went.
When I came to NZ in 1959, she wanted to know if it was near Australia(!) as her cousin was matron of an Australian hospital. She said it might be Melbourne
Alas, she just wasn't interested in family history.
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Many thanks AMBLY for the Banister/Bannister info. I have a feeling this just might be 'my' family,
I have looked up mariage data and found spouses for most of them. Ethel, Walter and George seem to be 'family' names.
I notice that the Birth Index is only to 1907. So how to I find out what children there are?
Thelma Bannister married Claude R Smith - Lismore - 1935
George T Bannister " Lillie Pearce - Bellingen - 1923
Herbert W Bannister " Annie Marshall - Grafton - 1923
Ethel Bannister " George E Baxter - Lismore - 1919
Walter Bannister " Margaret M Rae - Randwick - 1923
Maybe someone will recognise these names and make contact? PLEASE
Many thanks.
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hello there
The death certificate for William Bannister will list the names of his children , you can get a copy through a transcription agent for around $15.00 also include his parents names and where he was born etc. Very good NSW certificates. It will definately confirm if he is your William Bannister.
regards Jenn
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BANNISTER, ELIZA 1/15/1938 WILLIAM RILEY'S RECORDS EAST LISMORE BAPTIST, 1A, 4
BANNISTER, JAMES BYRON 12/23/1924 WILLIAM RILEY'S RECORDS EAST LISMORE BAPTIST, 1A, 3
BANNISTER, WILLIAM 6/2/1943 WILLIAM RILEY'S RECORDS EAST LISMORE BAPTIST, 1A, 5
from the Lismore Memorial Gardens online facility http://www.lismore.nsw.gov.au/asp/crem/search_gardens.asp
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NSW electoral Rolls
1930
Ada Mary Bannister Elliot Road Lismore Home Duties
Eliza """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Wiliam""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" no ocupation
Thelma Linda Bannister 66 Uralba Street, Lismore Nurse (so she could have been the Matron)
1936 Ada, Eliza and William same occupation are now living at Bannisters Lane, Lismore.
Jenn
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Wow, tropicalj, all this info is overwhelming, and I will certainly follow it all up. Talk about some coincidences, my son lived in Thuringowa, and two of my grand-children were born there!. Spent lots of time at both libraries, with my 'librarian counterparts'. They lived by the River, went about 4 houses then into the Ross River Park!. Aitkenvale I think it was called, they also previously had lived at Hermit Park.
2nd coincidence is my mother-in-law came from the Hennessey's!, Ireland, Leinster. But beware, Hennessey can be spelt in 5 different ways!, even to Hanasheen, Hennecy, Hennecsy among others. It was phonetically spelt, gaelic speech before being anglicised.
Good hunting, and oodles of thanks.
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Happy to help
thanks for the Hennessy tip but luciky enough the ones that i have found have been hennessy's
A small old world ;D
regards Jenn
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Thanks to Ambly and Tropicalj :oI have started on the Bannisters who were in eventually in Lismore, Not getting very far....
BUT> How long does it take to get a death certificate out of the NSWgov. records. I ordered a death certificate on 11 Feb. monies uplifed out of my bank account on 13th Feb. and I am still waiting,, no replies or even acknowledgement of e-mails querying hold-up. Anyone else have similar problems?
Is it quicker and easier to use a transcription agent?
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Hello there AP
Yes it is quicker to use a transcription agent but I have found about a three week wait for the NSW record office. It has only been a bit over three weeks for you so it could turn up in the post today. ;D
Thankfully it is not a Qld certificate that can be a couple of months on the odd occasion.
Have you sent them off an email query?
Someone once said patience is a virtue but i don't think he or she was a genealogist.
Jenn
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Hi Jenn
Yes, I have sent off two enquiries, not even an acknowledgement. Still my late husband said he married me for my patience.......(I agree, THEY are not anxious, enquiring genealagists.) Still he has been missing since 1880, so a few more days.......
Cheers.
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Have now got death certificate for William Bannister. New query.
His son James Byron Bannister married Olive Vidler beginning 1924 he died 23 Dec. 1924. buried in Lismore. How can I find out why he died so young? The Richmond River Historical Soc. have a memorial newspaper notice for him, but it just gives his date of death.
There must be some Bannisters out in the wide blue yonder that could help;
descendants of Walter, Ethel, Ada, Herbert, George, Thelma and Elsie where are you?
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April Betty there is more information on the BANNISTER family here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=381767.msg2544439#msg2544439
Cheers
Cando
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Hello Cando ... Nice to meet you!
Thank you for posting the link to April Betty's original post regarding the NSW Bannisters. I found it from the Google search engine and had only the print preview version. I had to join the site to reply but then couldn't find the original posting.
I hope April Betty sees my posting ... the information came from Tim Soane's site http://family.soane.net/descendancy.php?pid=P3492171553&box_width=100&chart_style=1&generations=15&show_full=1 which lists this particular Bannister descendancy right back to William Bannister (1735-1768).
I believe this particular Family Tree was compiled by Margaret Elisabeth Callaghan in Rotorua, Bay of Plenty, New Zealand. She is a member of Ancestry.com. Thank you Margaret, your research has been extremely valuable!
My interest in the NSW Bannisters is more of a personal nature in that, like my great-grandfather, Henry Bannister, they left their ancestral home of Headington/Beckley/Oxford and moved further afield. I just wanted to know what became of them, how they lived their lives in the "New World" and perhaps link up with some of their descendants. I am on Facebook....
Raine Evans Alexander
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Hi
My name is Scott Banister and I saw that you were looking for Banister family. I'm not sure if there is a connection or not, but my Great Grand father was Henry B. Banister b. Yass in 1855 he was married to Venina May Pennington b. 1876 the Gap Qld. My Father is Stanley Henry Banister the son of Leslie and Ruth Banister.
I was just wondering if there is a connection as I'm looking for information on family members for our family tree.
Scott Banister - Richmond NSW
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Hello, Found your messages. I am looking at your Bannister family and also Kennedy.
Henry B Bannister b Yass 1855 - mother Sarah born Somerset? what a family to trace. Sarahs daughter Lucy Bannister (Married Bettini) is my g-g grandmother. Please tell me - have you ever found a birth record for Henry B Bannister and what is the B for.
My other side married into Kennedy from Tipperary. Rody Kennedy (father Patrick and mother Mary Carthy) came to OZ married Connolly- no Andrew (that I know of) . Not having much luck with the details but have some siblings names & birth dates & locations - Drom, Fishmoyne etc etc.
Lets talk
Erin
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Hi Erin
Glad you posted yes I do have information on Henry Bnaister as he is my great great Grand father and Sarah Banister being my GGGrandmother so somewhere along the line we are cousins lol.
I do have a photo copy of Henry's Death Certificate not clear but you can make it out.
The Second name of Henry Im still never learnt so not sure about the B as nothing on Death Certificate.
As for the Kennedys the a quite a few different lines that came from Tipperray that I have found. There doesn't seem to be (Hey but I could be wrong) a connection along that line. Hope this may be of a help. have a bit of info on your family line so which of Lucy's line are youe are descentant of, Ive only gone as far as Lusy's children but would like to know more for research.
Great to hear from you and hope you will post again ;)
Scott
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Hi Scott,
The Kennedys are everywhere - but not the ones I am looking for!! Like you.
I have an ANDERSON tree on Ancestry(private as it is WIP). My grandfather Anderson went to OZ in 1908 from Waterford but his mother had already been in OZ since 1888. Her mother was Connolly from Tipperary(Ballypatrick). Her Aunt Ellen Connolly married Rody Kennedy Tipp) in Melbourne.
My granfather, John Anderson married Violet Pearce, whose father was John PEARCE. ( it took 2 years and a lot of luck to find out who he really was). He is the son of Lucy BANNISTER , born 1865 Goulburn the year before she married Jean BETTINI. Baptised John P(ierce) Bannister & mother Lucy Bannister (no father). He always named mother as Lucy BELL & father John PEARCE (this was fictional) . I think that he was kept close to the Bettini family though. When he dies his wife Maragaret married his nephew (son of Catherine Bettini his half sister). Margaret was a NOBLE (father Francois NOBLE from France) born Moruya. All ended up in Charters Towers and Townsville. I am guessing there was some other links in the families - yet to be discovered.
If you know anything about Sarah Bannisters life then she had 4 partners/poss husbands. It is all so complicated. Your Henry B was allegedly born "Henry Bannister PEARCE". Have you heard this? I cannot find a record of his birth. Story goes he dropped the PEARCE as he did not like his father? I can't find any version of his name YET. His marriage record also has Henry B PEARCE m Venena Pennington in Moruya (Does that match your Henry?) BUT his death record shows him as Henry Banister with wife Venina Penning . So the story looks right.
Can't wait to hear what you have on the family. I continue to struggle to find where Sarah B was actually from and how many children she actually has with which names and what is fact and what is "fiction".
I am sure I have confused you but post back to see what we both have . We are cousins I guess (Ancestry tells me you are my 3rd cousin). Are you in QLD ? Are you ok with the flooding? I am from Townsville but living in the UK so have the ice & snow instead.
Look forward to hearing from you
Erin
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Hi Erin.
Just wanted to know wether you are on Facebook. Quite a few Erin Sullivans.
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Hi Scott,
No I am not on facebook. I will send you an Ancestry invite (costs you nothing) and you can have a look at my tree (only partial so far) and I will give you my email address if you would like to chat family.
Erin
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Erin
That would be great. I actually have a family tree set up in Gene Reunited. If you want to see. It has both the Banister line and the Kennedy line so you can see if there is a connection side at al.
By the way did you get the cioy of Henry's Deacth Certificate?
Scott
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My Grandmother Emma Bannister had a brother named James or Jim who emigrated to Australia from London possibly around 1927, but he came back for a visit in the 1960's their parents were George Bannister c1869-1944 and Emma Croucher c1866-1934 whose parents were Amos Bannister c1827-1905 and Ann Ball c1831. The family originated from St Neots Bedfordshire. George Married Emma Croucher in 1889
Pictures are 1, of George Bannister 2, Emma Bannister 3, Clara Emma Bannister
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My Grandmother Emma Bannister had a brother named James or Jim who emigrated to Australia from London possibly around 1927, but he came back for a visit in the 1960's their parents were George Bannister c1869-1944 and Emma Croucher c1866-1934 whose parents were Amos Bannister c1827-1905 and Ann Ball c1831. The family originated from St Neots Bedfordshire. George Married Emma Croucher in 1889
Pictures are 1, of George Bannister 2, Emma Bannister 3, Clara Emma Bannister
Hi my names Aaron,
I am a distant relative of a Amos Bannister (farm Labourer) and Ann Ball (4th great grandparents), on my mothers side, though their son John Bannister born 1946 in England who went to live and later died in Scotland.
i just wondering if this Amos bannister and Ann ball would be the right one?
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My Grandmother Emma Bannister had a brother named James or Jim who emigrated to Australia from London possibly around 1927, but he came back for a visit in the 1960's their parents were George Bannister c1869-1944 and Emma Croucher c1866-1934 whose parents were Amos Bannister c1827-1905 and Ann Ball c1831. The family originated from St Neots Bedfordshire. George Married Emma Croucher in 1889
Pictures are 1, of George Bannister 2, Emma Bannister 3, Clara Emma Bannister
Hi my names Aaron,
I am a distant relative of a Amos Bannister (farm Labourer) and Ann Ball (4th great grandparents), on my mothers side, though their son John Bannister born 1846 (Correction) in England who went to live and later died in Scotland.
i just wondering if this Amos bannister and Ann ball would be the right one?
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Hi Aaron my Amos Bannister was born 1827-1905, married to Ann Ball c1831 I only knew of George Bannister My Grandmother Emma Bannisters father regards cackyd60
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Hi, Thanks for your reply, I have attached a census records to see if this is your george!Regards Aaron
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census 1871
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Amos Bannister-Bathwick, Bedfordshire, England
Ann BannisterBathwick, Bedfordshire, England
Amos Bannister-Bathwick, Bedfordshire, England
John Bannister-Great Staughton, Bedfordshire, EnglandAnn Baennister-Bushmead, Bedfordshire, England
George W Bannister- Hial Weston, Huntingdonshire, England
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Hi Aaron It certainly looks likely as this is the area my George Bannister came from do you have any more details of the family, Are you a Genes Reunited member as I have my family tree on there, regards Cackyd
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Hi, ive only got the 6 censes for them at the moment, of amos and ann. The only thing i havent got is johns birth cert. I'm on ancestry with subscription ;) but I had made a basic tree for Genes Reunited which i have no subscription and little information on that site.
How about you have much information of Amos and Ann?
Regards Aaron,
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Hi Aaron I to have my tree on Ancestry, I do not have much info on Amos and Ann not sure how we can connect our trees on Ancestry will have a look on the site. regards Cackyd.
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I'm new to this - Lucy Bannister married Jean
Antoine Bettini in1866 Goulburn - has anyone further info or photos. I'm not sure how to reply to each person's input. thx, Bundook
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Hello Bundook, welcome to RootsChat :)
When you reply to a topic as you have done, all the members in the thread will be notified of your reply unless they have turned off their notifications. april betty who started off this topic has just been notified by email.
Regards
Sarah
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Thanks for your help, Sarah administrator! that was most efficient, cheers, Bundook
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The Bega Budget 7 Nov 1906 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/104749938
John Antony Bettini, aged 75, died at Bateman's Bay last week. Bettini is a name that has been associated with oyster culture in the south for many years.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/135695987
On Thursday, Mr. John A. Bettini, aged 75, died at Bateman's Bay.
Probate/Administration notice John Antonio Bettini https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/237663952
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Deceased Estate: https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/searchhits_nocopy?id=15&surname=BETTINI&firstname=&locality=&dateofdeath=1906&datedutypaid=
BETTINI, J. A.; Batemans Bay; date if death 31/10/1906; date duty paid 19/12/1906; Item [19/10224]; Reel 302
Looks like his sons:
Probate packet: https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/624898
Paul Bartholomew Bettini - Date of Death 15/05/1938, Granted on 03/08/1938 #Series 4-231648
Deceased Estate: https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/searchhits_nocopy?id=15&surname=BETTINI&firstname=Paul&locality=&dateofdeath=&datedutypaid=
BETTINI, Paul Bartholomew; Narooma; date of death 15/05/1938; duty paid 09/09/1938; Pre A 124052 [20/2377]; Occupation: oyster lessee
Prob his wife: Jeanie Peters Bettini - Date of Death 11/02/1948, Granted on 16/08/1948 # Series 4-341649 https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/754521
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17465813
BETTINI.-May 15, 1938, at a private hospital, Paul, dearly loved husband of Jeanie Bettini, of Narooma, South Coast, and loving father of Jack and Vera (Mrs. A. Ramsay), aged 67 years.
Funeral notice (many names) Eastern Suburbs Crematorium https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17465815
Return Thanks https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17485791
Probate Packet: https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/767600
Charles Anthony Bettini - Date of Death 20/06/1949, Granted on 07/09/1949 #Series 4-354750
Prob is wife: Florrie Bettini - Date of Death 24/04/1957, Granted on 18/06/1957 # Series 4-462117 https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/961401
Several other files including Oyster culture leases files [NSW State Fisheries]
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/results?keywords=Bettini
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May be of interest:
https://www.geni.com/people/Jean-or-John-Bettini/6000000014419949467
https://www.myheritage.com/person-1000015_184274712_184274712/mr-jean-antoine-bettini
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Hi Bundook,
Welcome to rootschat :)
This is John Antony Bettini naturalisation https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=6733
Ros
(I can photograph the probate packets that CupOfLife found for you next time I am at archives)
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This seems relevant. A story about the destruction of the old Bateman's Bay cemetery at the Anglican Church and the last person to be buried there was Lucy BETTINI in 1927, buried besides her husband. She was the great great grandmother of a lady being interviewed.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article122478085
Ros
adding : From NSW BDM
Death 1927
Lucy BETTIMI, father John, mother Lucy, at Moruya reg 16761/1927
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From NSW BDM Lucy died on 4 August, 1927.
This seems to be a brief obit for her (despite a mistake in her husband's initials). http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article135360816
One of the pioneers of the Bateman's Bay district, Mrs. Bettini, relict of the late P. A. Bettini, died on
Thursday week, aged 82 years. She had spent practically all her life at the Bay.
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There are quite a number of trees on Ancestry for Lucy Bannister and Bettini families. Including mine. have you access to Ancestry to view them? There are a lot of details.
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Thank you Erin, no I'm not on Ancestry - I understand it's a bit expensive so I haven't goner there..
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Thank you cupoflife for all this info. I'm not sure if this is the right way to reply...!
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Are you after information on the Bannister family side of Lucy Bannister who married Bettini. I am able to help with the Bannister side. Are you looking at the Bettini side or at the History of Lucy Bannister?
She is my 2nd Great Grandmother