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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kincardineshire => Topic started by: Kiwi Girl on Sunday 17 February 08 19:40 GMT (UK)
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Hi there,
I am looking for any information on William Jamieson born in 1810 in Upperton, Findon, Kincardine. He died in 30 December 1889 and is buried in Portlethen Parish Church Graveyard. A very kind man sent me a picture of his grave stone which also acknowledges William's wife Jane Sutherland. She was born in 1816 and died on 1 January 1883.
I have a copy of a 1835 census that has the couple with 3 children:
Cathrine, Elizabeth & Jane 4, 3, and 6mths. I know they must have had a son at some point call William as it is from this line that I'm descended.
There was also an Ann Sutherland living with them - could be Jane's sister. She was employed as a domestic servant.
Does anyone else have any information about them? I'd love to know their parents and siblings. Actually I'd love to know pretty much anything about them
;)
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hi kiwi girl
welcome to rootschat :)
william jamieson born 30th april 1842
baptized 8th may 1842 banchory devenick kincardineshire
father william jamieson mother jane sutherland(from IGI)
1835 census ??? think that's the 1841 census
ev
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:o
Wow, thanks for that - yes you're probably right about the census date.
Thank you so much for that information :)
Cheers,
8)
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try the IGI
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
ev
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The Jamieson children, all born at Banchory-Devenick are:
Cathrine 1837
Elizabeth 8 Jan 1838
Jane 15 Jul 1840
William 30 Apr 1842
Margaret 25 Feb 1844
John 1 Aug 1846
Charles 6 Mar 1852
Ann 21 Apr 1854
Jessie 12 Jun 1859
I couldn't find their father's birth/baptism but if you go to the ScotlandsPeople website his death certificate should give the names of his parents.
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Thank you so much!
I only had down to William. It's so great being able to add the siblings, some of those names are still in the family.
I really do appreciate your help!
;D
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Hello Kiwi Girl
Just back off the IGI - and found another child (making 10) - Alexander b.15 Feb 1850 ch. 02 Mar 1850 in Banchory Devenick. Search done from 1825 to 1865
If you follow the link that 'ev' gave you and enter as below - you'll get 15 entries - a mix of births and christenings. However - nothing for Catherine....
Regards, Steve :O)
Follow evs link then:
1. Enter father and mothers names in the 2 right hand boxes
2. 'Event' select 'birth/christening'
3. 'Year' - select - type '1845'
4. 'Year range' - enter - '+or - 20 years'
5. 'Region' enter 'British Isles'
6. Country - enter 'Scotland'
7. County - enter - 'Kincardine
Leave all other boxes empty.
Press the 'search' button and up comes the 15 entries. There are other tricks within the system but that's enough for now - any problems drop me a pm and I'll send you a screen dump of the page. Too big to attach :O(
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Thank you so much, I was finding it very confusing with the ol' family search site in the general search...
;)
Alexander is now one of the family :D
Thanks so much
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Hi all, stumped again I'm afraid. I thought I was getting good at IGI stuff but I can't find the date of death for William jnr born in Banchory Devenick, Kincardineshire on 30 Apr 1842. He may have been living in Morningside, Edinburgh when he died.
Any sleuths still out there?
:o)
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Hello
When did William jnr die - approximately? Did he ever marry. If so - to whom. If married - when did she die.
If he died after 1855 - and in Scotland you'll be able to get his death details from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk - a pay per view site.
Regards, Steve :O)
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hi all
1861 census
uppertown findon portlethen banchory devenick kincardineshire
william jamieson 51 born aberdeen crofter of 28 acres
jane wife 46 born elgin morayshire
william son 18 born ban. dev. ag labourer
margaret daug. 17 born ban. dev. domestic servant
john son 14 born ban. dev.
alexander son 11 born ban. dev.
charles son 9 born ban. dev.
annie daug. 5 born ban. dev.
jessie daug. 1 born ban. dev.
ev
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Hi there,
William Jnr married Mary Farquharson in Banchory Devenick, Kincardine on 19 Dec 1865. He was born on 30 Apr 1842 and died some time after 1902 (when Mary died). I take back his possible death location, it was his son, another William who moved to Morningside. Should I have made this a new post? I am still learning the ropes on this site ;)
Cheers!
:)
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I didn't know that Jane was from Elgin. That's great to add!
Thank you so much for sharing that info :)
Now maybe I can find her folks too...
The jigsaw continues...
:D
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hi
looks like
1901 census william jamieson(jun) b. 1842 still portlethen banchory dev.
mason's labourer married to
mary farquharson?(9th december 1865 banchory devenick ?)
born old machar aberdeen
daughter mary h jamieson b. c1875(a cripple :() born ban. dev.
ev
ps kiwi girl keep it the same post ;)
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jane jamieson 27th dec 1866 ban dev
william jamieson 2nd september 1868(modified) ban dev
will check census for other kids , the IGI records only go up to 1875
so no sign of daughter mary
ev
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Thanks heaps Ev!
The William Jnr-Jnr is my line :) He married another Mary but this time an Uquhart - Mary was very common name in this line and yet none of us have been called it over here in NZ ;) They married on 27 Mar 1897, in Church of Scotland, Brae-of-Findon, Hill of Findon, Portlethan, Banchory, Devenick, Kincardineshire
She came over the NZ but no sign of him, I think he must have died before she emigrated as she is listed as widow on all the notes on this side.
Cheers,
;)
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1871 census
uppertown portlethen banchory devenick kincardineshire
william jamieson 28 farmer servant
mary wife 28 born old machar aberdeen
jane daug. 4 born ban dev
william son 2 born ban dev
ev
ps as well as mary h jamieson there was a charles jamieson born c1879
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hi
possible scotlandspeople
william jamieson death 1940 stonehaven kincardineshire b. c1844
given the time after his wife's death(1902) and the birth year being out
i'm not certain about this
but it's the only one in kincardineshire b. 1842 +/- 5 years
1902 to 2006
ev
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1901 census
20 caledonian place edinburgh st david midlothian
william jamieson 32 b. portlethen kincardineshire dairyman
mary(urquhart ?) wife 28 b. new deer aberdeenshire
mary F daug. 3 b. w. calts(?) aberdeenshire
katie H F daug. 1 b. w. calts aberdeenshire
stanley W F son 8 months b. edinburgh midlothian
when did mary come to new zealand ?
it might help to narrow down a death year for william jamieson
ev
ps possible ?
mary urquhart born 18th november 1872 new deer aberdeenshire
parents george urquhart and jessie allan
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That's her,
Her parent's were George Urquhart and Jessie Allan
(George's parents were James Urquhart & Catherine Glass and I think Catherine's parents were William Glass and Janet Smith)
(Jessie's parents were Alexander Allan and Helen Hepburn and I think Helen's parents were James Hepburn and Mary)
Mary Jamieson nee Urquhart arrived in New Zealand in 1924.
AS well as the children you found they had my grandfather Ian, though on his birth cert it says John, Walter, James & Peggy - though that may have been her nickname.
Cheers!
:o)
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hi
"peggy" is usually margaret
scotlandspeople has 2 deaths of a william jamieson in midlothian
in 1903 b. c 1869
and 1915 b. c1868
you might be able exclude the first one given the childrens birthdate
though i can't be certain if either one is him
ev
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Hello Kiwi Girl/ev
The William Jamieson who died in 1940 - was the widower of Agnes Flood or McCann - parents William Jamieson and mother Agnes Jamieson (M.S. Shearer).
Regards, Steve :O)
19.45 - modification: Good news chatters - found death for William Jamieson jnr. Died on 22 April 1922 in Peterculter Aberdeenshire. Kiwi Girl if you pm me will send the entry. Down as the widower of Mary Farquharson and gives correct parents names.
Regards, Steve :O)
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Update: William Jamieson snr who died on 30 Dec 1889 Upper Findon,Portlethen. Aged 79
His parents:
John Jamieson - crofter - deceased
Catherine Jamieson M.S. Moir - deceased (or Mair - as the 'o'/'a' is an inkblot :O(
Son William is a witness.
Regards, Steve :O)
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And more to be going on with :O)
Born to Katherine/Catherine Moir and John Jamieson (1790 - 1830) from the IGI
Margaret Jamieson b. 1809 d. 09 Dec 1879, Banchory Devenick, Kincardine - 'submitted'
William Jamieson ch. 06 Dec 1810 St Nicholas, Aberdeen - extracted (is this yours?) St Nicholas was a large Aberdeen parish.
John Jamieson ch 25 July 1813, Old Machar, Aberdeen - extracted
Christian Jamieson ch. 14 July 1815, Banchory Devenick, Kincardine - extracted
Elizabeth Jamieson ch. 24 May, 1817 Banchory Devenick, Kincardine- extracted .
Regards, Steve :O)
Link for St Nicholas parish:
http://www.urie.demon.co.uk/genuki/ABD/Aberdeen/description.html
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... John Jamieson (1790 - 1830) from the IGI
May I just say once again "Thank You" so much for all your help! I'd still be stuck on William Snr without you :)
I guess it's official, I am an IGI failure - I can't find his birth and death dates on the IGI. I use the http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
thingee - am I doing something wrong? I found an interesting John Jamieson:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/family_group_record.asp?familyid=172858837&indi_id=500190450832&lds=1®ion=2&frompage=1
help....
please....
;)
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Hello Kiwi girl
I'm sure I sent a pm on how to search using parents names :O)
Follow the link you posted. Enter John Jamieson, and Catherine as the wifes name, enter the 'Event' box as 'births/christening' the year as 1810 - the next box as =/- 20 years, enter British Isles, Scotland and 'all counties in the bottom boxes and you'll come up with the list above ? your William snr being their 2nd child. You won't find his death date on the IGI - as it's outwith their dates. However - I forwarded a copy of his death entry from Scotlands people which is the offical govt. website.
Shall have a snuffle around regarding the 'interesting' John Jamieson :O)
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If you then do the search as indicated above for the children of the William Jamieson and Elizabeth Collie, and enter 20 years =/- of 1785 - 'all counties' in Scotland, you come up with 11 entries - have put them in order. All Banchory Devenick, Kincardine, Scotland
1. JEAN JAMIESON Christening: 25 JUL 1774
2. JEAN JAMIESON Christening: 14 AUG 1774
3. MARGARET JAMIESON Christening: 26 FEB 1773
4. ELISABETH JAMIESON Christening: 24 JUN 1777
5. Elizabeth Jamieson Christening: 29 JUN 1777
6. JANNET JAMIESON Christening: 23 MAY 1779
7. ISABEL JAMIESON Christening: 02 SEP 1781
8. CHRISTIAN JAMIESON Christening: 30 NOV 1783
9. JOHN JAMIESON Christening: 30 DEC 1786
10. ANNE JAMIESON Christening: 01 MAR 1789
11. WILLIAM JAMIESON Christening: 03 APR 1791
The above are a mixture of 'extracted' and 'submitted' entires - that's why the doubles and variance of dates for the same person. Johns is an 'extracted, record
Regards, Steve
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Hi there,
Yes you had sent me the pm, I just must have suffered a brain freeze when using it ;)
Thanks for the scurry round on the interesting John Jamieson :D
;)
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William and Jane Jamieson are my 3rd Great Grand Parents
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:)
Hi there,
Who and where are you? So cool to see another descendant on here, maybe you could email me and we can pool some resources - I've had such great help from people both local and abroad, I'd love to share with you.
Cheers!
8)
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Your William had a brother George. I have no doubt there were more siblings going on past performance.
It is Goerge and his wife Annie that I and my kin stem from.
Your William Jamieson is my Great Grand Uncle. (I think)
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I am Alan Jamieson from Aberdeen.
Today I went to see the grave of our ancestor, William and Jane Jamieson in Portlethen (5 miles drive away).
I understand you have a photo of that stone.
Then I drove the mile or so to Findon and found the crofts and houses mentioned in the Birth and Marriage certificates of our families.
Brilliant stuff I was so excited to be in those houses. The people who live in them now are so hospitable, a trait in these here parts. LOL
Then I drove another couple of miles to Banchory-Devenick and found another family grave. I haven't had time yet to open up the memory card and input the data in my tree. As soon as I know where that family fit in the scheme of things I will share it with you.
AJ
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Wow, I am so envious of your visit!
I would love a copy of any pictures - once you've opened your memory card :)
Yes, I have a photo of the stone, I got it from a really nice guy called Colin Milne, who has a site called: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/nescotland/index.html
I can't wait to add your branch to our family tree :o)
;D
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So, William & Jane had another son? Called George... Lots of kids! When was he born? I have children being born from 1837 - 1859.
Poor, poor Jane! 11 Children - I find just the one a handful ;)
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Hi all,
I just wanted to say a big Thank You! To Dod M who has shed some light on some corners of my Jamieson past :)
My Tree is looking considerably better formed now that some of my many great grand Aunts and uncles are there.
I'm still processing all the info - but already some names seem to have lingered in the family...
Thanks again
;D
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Thanks from me too. I now need to find who went before Patrick Jamieson (Jamesone).
I would also like to know if any of our lot died for the Jacobite cause.
I have read some entries in books in Aberdeen City Library that suggests sons of rich landowners, Menzie Jacobite's, went off to lend support at Culloden and the young Jamieson's were "ordered" to accompany them.
The same is true for 70% of those who fought at Culloden, they didn't want to be there. But it was the landed gentry who fell first, they took the front line. They were better armed.
A subject that was of little interest now predominates. My nations history.
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Hi all,
If people from this post are still visiting is anyone able to tell me which Elizabeth Collie William Jamieson born about 1747 in Portlethen married? They are the parents of John Jamieson who married Catherine Moir. I am trying to work out if the Elizabeth Collie was c 17 Dec 1748 in Durris or whether she was c. 4 Apr 1750 in Arbuthnott. Hope this makes sense.
Cheryl
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Hi there, the dates I have for Elizabeth is:
Born Abt. 17 Dec 1748 in Brae of Pitfoddels, Aberdeen, Scotland,
Married 04 Jul 1772 in Banchory Devenick, Kincardineshire, Scotland
Does that help or hinder?
;)
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Hi KiwiGirl,
Helps immensely. I think her sister Isobel is my 4x great grandmother. She was actually christened in Durris. Do you know anything about her siblings? Her father was John Collie c 18 Apr 1725 at Banchory Ternan. She had siblings Isobella c 10 Sep 1744 Durris (died as an infant), John 1746 Durris, Agnes c 11 Dec 1748 Durris, and Isobella c 6 Jan 1751 at Durris.
Cheryl
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Hi there,
Nope, sorry she was the only one from her family I had - so I'm thrilled to add her father and sister ;D
If I find anything, I'll let you know.
Cheers,
:D
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Hi
Please find attached my family tree, this shows William Jamieson and Elspet Collie, parents of John Jamieson.
Alan Jamieson
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Hi Alan,
Thanks for the tree. I have a lot more siblings and spouses in some of these than your tree indicates. I have some of the older spouses also. Happy to pass them on if you want them. The Jamieson's come into my line further down with a Taylor marriage so they were already in my tree. What I need to work out is whether this Elizabeth Collie with the same christening date as your one is the same as the one born in Aberdeen but christened in Durris. Her father is definitely John b 1725 not James. Hope this makes sense.
Cheryl
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Always delighted to add to my tree - the bushie the better! It was very twiggy only a few short years ago ;)
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Hi
Please find attached my family tree, this shows William Jamieson and Elspet Collie, parents of John Jamieson.
Alan Jamieson
Hello There,
One of my 4x Great Grandmother's was Christian Jamieson.
According to the 1851 Census she was born about 1808, in Fetteresso. She married John Lamond. I'm not sure when exactly but their first child William was born around 1832 in Fetteresso.
Anyway, she died on the 24th of April 1883 at Fiddleston, Porthleven, Kincardine.
On the death certificate it says for the name of the Father: "William Jamieson, Farmer (deceased)." For the name of the mother it states: "Christina Jamieson, Maiden surname Scorgie."
I cannot seem to find a baptism for Christian anywhere. And the only William Jamieson I think that it may be, is the William Jamieson baptised in 1791 in the tree you have shown here.
I think she was probably an illegitimate daughter of the above William. But I see that William himself was married twice, and one of his children from the marriage was called Christian.
I found William Jamieson's death registration in Fetteresso, for January 1856. It states his occupation as "Farmer". It also gives his mother's name as Elizabeth Jamieson, maiden surname "Collie".
However, I could not find a baptism record for William Jamieson. Where did you find the date please? I found one I think for the 1780's, but that one was the son of a John Jamieson (not a William), and a Margaret Colly (not an Elizabeth).
Thank you very much. :) ;)
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Fiddleston, Porthleven, Kincardine.
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[/size]The proper place name is .FINDON, PORTLETHEN, KINCARDINESHIRE.
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[/size]When you have verified that look at this and check your info against it.
[/size]There are so much red herrings and false information in this ancestry business.
[/size]http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/m/c/i/George-A-Mcintyre-Aberdeenshire/GENE2-0001.html
I attached a link to a PDF file with a Jamieson family tree[/font]
If admin do not allow such links contact me again and I shall give you my email[/font]
Regards[/font]
AJ[/font]
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Fiddleston, Porthleven, Kincardine.
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[/size]This place does not exist.
[/size]The proper place name is .FINDON, PORTLETHEN, KINCARDINESHIRE.
[/size]
[/size]When you have verified that look at this and check your info against it.
[/size]There are so much red herrings and false information in this ancestry business.
[/size]http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/m/c/i/George-A-Mcintyre-Aberdeenshire/GENE2-0001.html
I attached a link to a PDF file with a Jamieson family tree[/font]
If admin do not allow such links contact me again and I shall give you my email[/font]
Regards[/font]
AJ[/font]
Thank you for telling me the correct place name was Findon.
I was able to view the link to the Jamieson tree that you sent me.
I don't know if you attempted to send me anymore links.
If Christian was an illegitimate daughter of William Jamieson, she may not be on that link anyway. Especially if no other people had found out about her.
On her death certificate, it states that her mother's maiden surname was "Scorgie". But she may have been lying and that Christina Scorgie may not even have been married to William Jamieson.
I have not been able to find a marriage between the pair.
All of the census returns give her birth as: "Fetteresso".
Her death certificate states that her father was: "William Jamieson, Farmer deceased."
I of course understand that there are many red herrings and false information in this ancestry business.
But the information I am telling you here is direct from sources I have seen and found out.
Thank you very much. :) ;)
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Can you send me a copy of that death certificate please. I ask because I am keen to investigate further my belief that the surname Cargie may be a misinterpretation of the surname Scorgie.
There are many instances of errors being made or assumptions by Parish officials when recording deaths, births marriages. Many of the rural population were illiterate and many spoke in a strong dialect.
If indeed Scorgie is the correct surname and not Cargie that would clear some things up and enable me to find graves and more.
Scorgie is a common surname in Kincardineshire.
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Can you send me a copy of that death certificate please. I ask because I am keen to investigate further my belief that the surname Cargie may be a misinterpretation of the surname Scorgie.
There are many instances of errors being made or assumptions by Parish officials when recording deaths, births marriages. Many of the rural population were illiterate and many spoke in a strong dialect.
If indeed Scorgie is the correct surname and not Cargie that would clear some things up and enable me to find graves and more.
Scorgie is a common surname in Kincardineshire.
I have sent you a PM requesting your email address, so I cam send you some items if you don't mind please.
Thank you.
R Ebdon. :) ;)
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The Kirk session at Fetteresso certainly gives Christian's mother as Christian Scorgie, and her father as William Jamieson. They were both unmarried at this date. Christian Scorgie was with child, and William Jamieson acknowledged himself as the father of her child. The date was the 4th of October 1807. It can be viewed for free here on the right hand side of this image page. -
"William Jamieson & Christian Scorgie dismissed". Virtual Volumes: Fetteresso Kirk Session, Minutes (1767 - 1818), CH2/ 153/ 4: Image number 213. Via scotlandspeople. -
Virtual VolumesFetteresso kirk session, Minutes (1767-1818), CH2/153/4 | ScotlandsPeople
At the baptisms of all John Lamond's children it gives his wife's name as Christian Jamieson.
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(Old Parish Registers Births 258/ 40 409 Fetteresso) Page 409 of 576 1835. Via scotlandspeople.
It gives Christian/ Christina's birth year as 1808, at the times of the 1851, 1861 and 1871 Census returns in the home with her husband John. The 1851 and 1871 returns give her place of birth as Fetteresso also. -
1851, LAMONT, CHRISTIAN (Census 258/ 10/ 7) Page 7 of 18. Via Scotlandspeople.
1861, LAMONT, CHRISTIAN (Census 258/ 2 3/2) Page 2 of 23. Via scotlandspeople.
1871, LAMONT, CHRISTIAN (Census 264/ 2/ 8) Page 8 of 11. Via scotlandspeople.
The 1881 Census gives her age as 74, and place of birth as Fetteresso. This was taken on the 3rd of April. She was with her husband at Fiddeston near the Mains of Findon, in the parish of Banchory Devenick, registration district of Portlethen. It is just west from the village of Findon. -
1881, LAMONT, CHRISTINA (Census 251/ 23/ 7) Page 7 of 14. Via Scotlandspeople.
She died at this address at 2 minutes past 2 on the morning of the 24th of April 1883. The statutory death register described her as the wife of John Lamond, a retired Crofter. It appears to give her age at death as 79 years (which most certainly must have been a mistake). It describes her parents as William Jamieson Farmer (Deceased) and Christina Jamieson MS (maiden surname) Scorgie. She died of Bronchitis. Her son William Lamond (born 1831 and baptised at Fetteresso) was the informant and present at death. -
1883 LAMOND, CHRISTINA (Statutory registers Deaths 251/2 11). Via Scotlandspeople.
Thank you.
:) ;)