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Title: FRENCH/AMBREO where were they then?
Post by: velcro on Friday 22 February 08 06:38 GMT (UK)
Hi

Seeking assistance with any connections and records concerning the following families please?

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Husband:   James Henry FRENCH Captain - 79
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Birth:   About 1805   Place:   Poole, Dorset.ENG.
Death:   Before 1851   Place:   Lost at sea out from Malta.
Occupation:   Mariner/Sea Captain
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Marriage:   8 Feb 1824   Place:   St Helier.Jersey.Channel.Is.
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Wife:   Elizabeth Matilda ABREO - 3837
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Birth:   About 1807   Place:   Plymouth, ENG.
Death:   18 Feb 1854   Place:   St Helier, Jersey.Channel Is. ENG.aged 41 yrs.
Burial:   Feb 1854   Place:   St Helier, Jersey.Channel Is. ENG.
Occupation:   1841 Census:Seamstress: 1851 Census:Needleworker.
Father:   Joseph Pierre ABREO - 15135
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Children...
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1. M Child:   James William FRENCH - 77
Birth:   About 1825   Place:   Poole, Dorset. England
Christen:   6 Feb 1824   Place:   Dorset ENG.
Death:   14 Oct 1896   Place:   Lamplough, Avocashire, County of Gladstone. 71yrs
Burial:   15 Oct 1896   Place:   Avoca Cem., Victoria.
Occupation:   Carpenter, Painter &  Miner.
Baptism:   Presbyterian
Spouse:   Ann SPENCE - 78
Marriage:   23 Jun 1845 ｮ39   Place:   St Helier Ch.Jersey. Channel Is.ENG.
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2. M Child:   Joseph George Quanto FRENCH - 15130
Birth:   24 Oct 1829   Place:   Born at Sea.Jersey.Channel Is.ENG.
Christen:   27 Aug 1834   Place:   St Helier.Jersey.Channel Is.ENG
Occupation:   Painter,Journeyman.1881 UK CENSUS 5 Fleet St.SSX:aged 53yrs.
Spouse:   Ann - 16469
Marriage:      Place:   Jersey,Channel Is.ENG.
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3. F Child:   Elizabeth Pamela FRENCH - 15132
Birth:   About 1829   Place:   St Helier.Jersey.Channel Is.ENG
Christen:   21 Aug 1831   Place:   St Helier. Jersey. Channel Is.ENG
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4. F Child:   Eliza Adelaide FRENCH - 15133
Birth:   1831   Place:   St Helier.Jersey.Channel Is.ENG
Christen:   21 Aug 1831   Place:   St Helier.Jersey.Channel Is.ENG
Death:    ｮ66   
Occupation:   Bonnet Maker 1851 Census.
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5. M Child:   Walter PETER FRENCH - 15014
Birth:   About 1834/1835   Place:   St Helier Jersey.Channel Is.ENG
Christen:   18 Jun 1834   Place:   St Helier Jersey.Channel Is.ENG
Burial:      Place:   Amherst Cem.Victoria


Cheers
Velcro
Title: Re: FRENCH/AMBREO WHERE WERE THEY THEN?
Post by: Hill on Friday 22 February 08 12:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Velcro

Is there anything specific you are looking for to start off the investigations?

Incidentally, in the 1841 Census for Jersey there is a James French (a baker) and he appears to be living with a Yves Quanto, his surname being one of the Christian names of Joseph French. Coincidence???

Stewart
Title: Re: FRENCH/AMBREO WHERE WERE THEY THEN?
Post by: velcro on Saturday 23 February 08 12:55 GMT (UK)
Me again

Yves Quanto, his surname being one of the Christian names of Joseph French. Coincidence???
Must be a link!
Starting point.
How can I find which ships James Henry FRENCH Captained?
Birth:   About 1805   Place:   Poole, Dorset.ENG.
Death:   Before 1851   Place:   Lost at sea out from Malta. Any records of this incident?
Occupation:   Mariner/Sea Captain

Cheers
Velcro
Title: Re: FRENCH/AMBREO WHERE WERE THEY THEN?
Post by: velcro on Saturday 23 February 08 13:11 GMT (UK)
Me again

1841 Census for Jersey there is a James French (a baker). How old is James recorded as?

Cheers
Velcro
Title: Re: FRENCH/AMBREO WHERE WERE THEY THEN?
Post by: Hill on Saturday 23 February 08 14:26 GMT (UK)
Hi Velcro

James's age in the 1841 census is given as 15, but remember this could be a rounded age.

As for which ships JF captained, if it's a UK ship then I think you have to go the the Archive Centre in Kew (but I'm not positive as I've never been asked the question before). If it's a Jersey ship then you can look at the local Registers as all Jersey mariners had to pay into a Benevolent Fund and it lists the boats they served on. These registeres aren't on-line so I will go and have a look on Monday.

Stewart
Title: Re: FRENCH/AMBREO where were they then?
Post by: velcro on Sunday 24 February 08 12:01 GMT (UK)
Me again

Another starting point.

Birth and death records of James Henry French. Only abts I have so far and birth/christening of his wife Elizabeth Matilda ABREO and mother's name?
Any records of more marriage of his wife or himself?

Velcro

James Henry FRENCH Captain - 79
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Birth:   About 1805   Place:   Poole, Dorset.ENG.
Death:   Before 1851   Place:   Lost at sea out from Malta.
Occupation:   Mariner/Sea Captain
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Marriage:   8 Feb 1824   Place:   St Helier.Jersey.Channel.Is.
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Wife:   Elizabeth Matilda ABREO - 3837
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Birth:   About 1807   Place:   Plymouth, ENG.
Death:   18 Feb 1854   Place:   St Helier, Jersey.Channel Is. ENG.aged 41 yrs.
Burial:   Feb 1854   Place:   St Helier, Jersey.Channel Is. ENG.
Occupation:   1841 Census:Seamstress: 1851 Census:Needleworker.
Father:   Joseph Pierre ABREO - 15135
Title: Re: FRENCH/AMBREO where were they then?
Post by: Hill on Sunday 24 February 08 12:56 GMT (UK)
Silly question!

How did you get such specific dates without seeing the certificates?

Stewart
Title: Re: FRENCH/AMBREO where were they then?
Post by: velcro on Monday 25 February 08 11:37 GMT (UK)
Hi

Some other family researcher that could only obtain the records that was available at the time for them.

If I look up the IGI for births and marriages I may find his mother's name and any other marriages?
Title: Re: FRENCH/AMBREO where were they then?
Post by: Hill on Monday 25 February 08 21:13 GMT (UK)
Hi

Just to let you know that today I have verified most of the pre-1842 dates. I have still to locate the death of EMA and the marriage of JGQF. I cannot verify the birth of JHF as this wasn't in Jersey. There is a log of mariners lost at sea but he isn't in that list.

EMA and JHF's marriage details confirm the date and that JPA was her father but list her place of birth as La Roche Pitha, Portugal.

I have also found the death of a Elizabeth Pamela French on 8th May 1832.

On JGF and PWF's baptism records Eliza's name is given as Eliza Matilda Da Rocha.

Walter Peter's baptism record is given as Peter Walter.

As for maritime records, there are 11 French names mentioned in the Seamans Benevolent Fund and this includes a James William French. His shipping record is contained in "Volume B, number 172". Sadly, pages 160 - 223 are missing so there is no easy way of obtaining this information without looking at every ship that sailed from Jersey!

The marriage of JWF is indexed as "St Helier Marriages, May 1845 - Nov 1847 on page 10" whilst the marriage of EAF is "St Helier Marriages, Jan 1851 - Sep 1854, page 64". I've included these details if you wanted to send for the certificates.

I will look up the death of EMA and the marriage of JGQF in the next day or two. I can also see that a JWF was declared bankrupt at some point and again I will find more details.

Have you seen the 1891 census record for JGQF which shows him a "Father in law" and living with Ann plus Albert T French aged 9, Caroline Eliza, 35, Edith Mary, 11, Henry Sidney, 36 and Sidney T, aged 6?

Also in the 1861 Census he has 2 children Henry, 6 and Louisa aged 3. More details if required.

Hope that helps.

Stewart
Title: Re: FRENCH/AMBREO where were they then?
Post by: Hill on Tuesday 26 February 08 13:52 GMT (UK)
Hi

I can confirm that there is an index entry for the death of EMA in "St Helier Deaths, Feb 1853 to Sep 1854 on page 66".

The marriage of JGQF has been more difficult to find. I can find a marriage for a Joseph French (no middle names) in the index "St Saviour Marriages, Apr 1850 to Mar 1853 on page 31". There is an Ann on the same page. That was the only JF between 1842 and 1861.

Finally, the bankruptcy for JWF looks to be your JWF! He was declared bankrupt by act on 28th April 1848 by Hugh Godfray. I have read the document (which is in French) but it doesn't hold any useful information. This is possibly why he decided to emigrate.

Hope that helps.

Stewart

PS Have you seen that two people in Australia are also listed on Rootsweb.com as searching for information on John Henry French? Perhaps they are you!

Title: Re: FRENCH/AMBREO where were they then?
Post by: velcro on Wednesday 27 February 08 08:46 GMT (UK)
Hi

Since last email I found

Name: Joseph Pierre ABREO
# Given Name: Joseph Pierre
# Surname: ABREO
# Sex: M
# Birth: in La Roche, Pitha, Portugal

Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown

Children

   1. Has Children Eliza Matilda ABREO b: About Apr 1813 in Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Pierre DA ROCHA. married Elizabeth Matilda ABREO (2nd marriage)
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Birth:   Apr 1813 Place:   Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Death:   18 Feb 1854   Place:   St Helier, Jersey.Channel Is. ENG.aged 41 yrs.
Burial:   Feb 1854   Place:   St Helier, Jersey.Channel Is. ENG.
Occupation:   1841 Census:Seamstress: 1851 Census:Needleworker.
Father:   Joseph Pierre ABREO
Other Spouses   James Henry FRENCH Captain

Marriage 1 Eliza Matilda ABREO b: About Apr 1813 in Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

    * Married: 8 Feb 1824 in St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands  to James Henry FRENCH

Thank you for the records.Every little bit helps. Thanks for the Bankruptcy info.

James William FRENCH and Ann Spence sailed to Australia in 1848 on the vessel "Mohammed Shah".(Maiden Voyage) The ship sailed from Plymouth,London on 28 March 1848 and arrived in Melbourne,VIC. Australia, 4 Jul 1848. Days of voyage, 98. Captain Hugh MacMeikan. 211 Immigrants.Superintendant,Dr Sumsden.It was the ships first voyage. Owners Douglass And Mills, 23 Billeter St, London.ENG.

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Index to Registers of Assisted British Immigrants 1839-1871
FRENCH   JAMES W   24yrs old   JUL   1848   MAHOMED SHAH   2/3   366
FRENCH   JAMES WM   24yrs old   JUL   1848   MAHOMED SHAH   2/3   353

Suppose I am the two researching this family. Will have to have a look.

Cheers
Velcro
Title: Re: FRENCH/AMBREO where were they then?
Post by: velcro on Wednesday 29 January 14 08:44 GMT (UK)
Hi May I have some one do a look up of the  local Registers Jersey Channel IS as all Jersey mariners had to pay into a Benevolent Fund of a James Hnry French b. abt 1807 married to Elizabeth Matilda French please?
Cheers
Velcro
Title: Re: James Henry FRENCH
Post by: velcro on Wednesday 29 January 14 08:58 GMT (UK)
Hi
I have death records of Elizabeth Matilda French 18 Feb 1854 New St St Helier Jersey aged 41 10 mths and buried 21 Feb 1854 Green St Cem. No. 890 St Helier married JH French 8 Feb 1824 St Helier Jersey.
Her mother married 3 times Elizabeth Carrel Le Boutiller
1.Joseph Pierre Abreo m. 1 Sep 1808 St Brelade Jersey he was born abt 1788 La Roche Pitta Portugal.
2.Joseph Quento Quanto b. abt 1829 Vannes Morbihan France married 21 Feb 1827 St Helier
3.George Cager b. ? St Helier Jersey m. 8 Oct 1836 St Helier Jersey.
Cheers
Velcro