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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Inverness => Topic started by: OzEnigma on Friday 22 February 08 12:22 GMT (UK)
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Hi all
I am seeking information about my great grandfather's roots. I know he grew up in Kingussie but lived most of his life in Australia. While known as Alexander, I think his real name was Alister McIntosh (b.1861). His parents were, I think, James MacIntosh (b.1825) and Margaret Meldrum (b.1829 d.1865). His siblings were, as far as I know: Isabella (b.1848), Catherine (b.1850), Jessie (b.1853), Donald (b.1855), James (b.1858) and Robert (b.1863).
I'd be very grateful to see some census information about this family - doesn't matter which year.
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Just some additional information to the above - James MacIntosh, my great great grandfather, remarried after the death of Margaret Meldrum. He married Marjorie McKay in 1866 and they had a daughter, Jane (b.1868).
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Hi :)
here they are in 1861:
Pitmain, Kingussie
District 102 ED 1 page 22
James McIntosh, 35, labourer, b. Alvie, Inverness
Margaret (Chisholm) , 31, b. NK, Inverness
Isabella, 13, scholar, b. Kingussie
Catherine, 10, scholar, b. Kingussie
Jessie, 8, scholar, b. Kingussie
Donald, 5, scholar, b. Kingussie
James, 2, b. Kingussie
Catherine Chisholm,mother in law, 62, b. NK
If you go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk you would be able to search for this record and see and download this and other images for 6 units (£1.20).
Regards
Gadget
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IN 1871:
High Street, Kingussie
District 102, ED 1 page 16
James, McIntosh, 48, carter, b. Alvie
Mary, 45, b. Kingussie
Alexander, 9, scholar, b. Kingussie
Robert 7, scholar, b. Kingussie
Jane, 3, b. Kingussie
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In the 1851
Spey St, Kingussie
District 102 ED 2 Page 26
James McIntosh, 26, carter, b. Alvie
Marg, 22, b. Rothiemurchus, Inverness
I (presume Isabella), daughter, 3, b. Kingussie
C (presume Catherine), daughter, 1, b. Kingussie
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Thank you very much, Gadget! That's wonderful information to have. Much appreciated.
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James McIntosh's parents were James McIntosh and Isabella McPherson
If that's any help :)
Gadget
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If you want any help with getting further back, just give a shout and one of us will help :)
Gadget
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Yes, that is very helpful. Thanks. Our family didn't have that piece of information before. That explains the naming of their first child.
One day I'll get to Kingussie. Many years ago, other relatives visited and found the cemetery full of McIntosh's ... :)
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Kingussie can be very cold and remote in the winter. It's just off the A9 which is the main route to Inverness from the south. I pass it quite often.
Rothiemurchus still has some of the old Caledonian Forrest close by and has become a tourist spot.
I'll see if I can find some more on your family over the weekwnd.
Regards
Gadget :)
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That's interesting that you are so familiar with a place I can only dream of visiting - so far away from where I am.
I visited my great grandfather's grave interstate recently to say hello. He sounded like an interesting fellow. Here's a photo:
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Hi again
Just been looking at Margaret Meldrum's baptism on the IGI (controlled extraction) and she was born a little earlier than you thought:
Margaret Meldrum bpt. 2nd September 1827, born 20 July 1827, Duthil with Rothiemurchus, Inverness
Parents - Donald Meldrum amd Katrin Chisholm (I presume the Catherine Chisholm aged 62 with them in the 1861 census).
This is also the only one showing on Scotland's People.
Gadget
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Thanks again, Gadget. Yes, Catherine Chisholm was known as Katrin. They weren't married, apparently, so their daughter Margaret was variously known as Margaret Chisholm and Margaret Meldrum.
Donald Meldrum's parents were John Meldrum (b.1770 d.1845) and Isobel Shaw. Isobel was from Tolvah, according to these family records I have here - and when I looked it up on Google Maps I found it looks to be a remote part of Scotland. The family tree then branches back to some notables and ends with Philip de Fendarg or Phendarg who died around 1236. I've been trying to figure out if these records are accurate as I don't know where they came from (someone in England, I suspect) but so far things are adding up - even if some dates are out from time to time.
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Hello again Sandy ... & Gadget :)
Sandy you will have got my last message which doesn't really tell us any more than Gadget has dug up already here. The Chisholm team are embroiled in another quest at the moment but I hope we can help find out some more about Catherine/Katrin ... if Gadget doesn't beat us to it :D
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Yes, thank you so much Alastair, I did get that message. You've both been so helpful. I've yet to fully digest the information you've provided. I can appreciate being busy - I start university next week and have a ton of books to read! :)
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Hi Both
Now what are you needing - I finished University for the fourth time back in 1993, so I've got heaps of time. BUT keep that mind active ;D ;D ;D
You say what you need and I'll take a look :D
Gadget
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Hi Gadget - Well I am starting university - for the first time - at age 40-mumble-something. It's never too late, right? :)
I need to sift through the information supplied to see what I specifically need now. Alastair is kindly looking into the Chisholm connection in the family tree. For the moment, I'd like to know more about the region. Is Tolvah a rural area or is there (was there) a village there in the 1700's? Since Donald Meldrum was a farmer, I'm assuming that Blackmill is a rural area.
I have extremely scanty information right now. I might go ahead and order some birth, marriage and death certificates in time.
There is something on the family tree that puzzles me. A little note after one name saying: (Isal) and, after another saying, (Tenant of Isal 1715). At least I think that's what it says. Do either of you have any idea what this refers to? A place name perhaps? Google Maps didn't find it.
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Hi
I went back to University after an academic/research career when I was in my early 40s and did a degree in Fine Art. I had great fun, so you enjoy it :)
I'll take a look tomorrow.
In the mean time, this site:
http://www.nls.uk/maps/early/
is best for old Scottish places. I was able to find a farm that my ancestors tenanted that wasn't shown on anything else.
Just go through steadily.
Back in the morning!
Gadget :)
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Sorry for butting in, but you have just mentioned the place I love best on all the earth.... Rothiemurchus.....
Loch an Eilein Castle in the Rothiemurchus Forest...
Hope you like it....
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My great great grandmother was born at Rothiemurchus. Thanks for posting that picture. Wonderful. One day I hope to see it for myself.
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My pleasure, OzEnigma.
It is a place of great peace and beauty.
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It certainly is - but there are midges as Paula and I will testify to :-\
I'll see what I can dig out - I may have some photos tucked away.
Gadget :)
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Didn't want to spoil it by bringing them little bs into it, Gadget.
Odd thing is, I never seem to be bothered with them there...
Came on this thread because we have McIntosh in our tree too... but they were from Nairn.....
Maggie Jane married Alex George and took up residence in Nethy Bridge
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Hi
I've been sifting through some photos that I took over 3 years ago. Mr Gadget had a residential conference at Aviemore and I tagged along for the ride. One of the days I took myself off to the funicular that goes nearly to the top of CairnGorm. It was a pretty wet day and no one is allowed outside of the viewing area at the top.
Here are a couple of photos - one a general view from the viewing platform and one a zoomed shot of Loch Morlich. The forest bits are part of the Rothiemurchus/Glen More Forest Park
Gadget
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Just to give a clue as to the way folk thought in that area... the dearly beloved OH's grandfather used to take a 'morning stroll' some mornings, from Nethy Bridge, to the top of the Cairngorm and back down for dinner...
Healthy people like that make you feel :-\
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Hi Pels ;D
To give a better idea. I drove quite a way from Aviemore to get to the funicular station. This is the half way point from inside it.
It was wet ::)
Gadget
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Just been having a look at those maps, Gadget...
Could disappear for days on those...must remember to take a packed lunch next visit.
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I usually only see these places from the A9 these days.
Here's another, just for the fun of it:
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So Sandy - I think we have found Margaret Meldrum's Mum. :)
The following comes from my colleague on the Chisholm Genealogy Group:
"Looking on Ancestry last night - I tried to track down any Chisholms in the Parish of Alvie or next door Duthil and Rothiemurchus - but found a Catherine Chisholm, age 35 (1841 census), servant in the household of a half pay army officer Alexr McPherson - in Ruthven, Parish of Kingussie & Inch - so just below Alvie. Not many Chisholms in this part of Inverness-shire - Clan Chattan country I guess.
Anyway, Catherine is present in the 1851 Kingussie Parish census, now HOH, an agricultural labourer, still in Ruthven, born ~1801 in the same Parish.
Then, interestingly, she is in the 1861 census, Kingussie Parish, now mother in law to HOH James McIntosh, age 35, wife Margaret McIntosh age 31, and her grandchildren are Isabella age 13, Catherine, age 10, Jessie age 8, Donald age 5 and James age 2. They are located in Pitmain."
So I had a look for her in Kingussie and found that she died there in October 1861 a daughter of Andrew Chisholm, Labourer and ... MacPherson (no first name given).
Alastair
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Alastair, you are a gem! That's wonderful information to have. Lots of news stuff in there and definitely the correct family. Thank you!
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Hi OzEnigma,
I do apologise about the delay in contacting but this is the first time I have used this site. Just came across your thread in relation to McIntosh/Meldrum. My great parents (x3) are James McIntosh & Margaret Meldrum. Obviously would need to confirm a few things with you if this is correct. (ie your dates, etc). I was actually out at their son-in-law's grave on the weekend (my great great grandfather). I currently live not far from Kingussie/Duthil. I would be able to confirm a few further details with you (as my records are not too bad) - Rather than post family details publicly I would be more than happy to exchange emails and I can give assist you with some further information. Hope this helps.
Regards
David Macpherson.
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Hi..this thread is interesting ;) as I am researching too McIntosh/Meldrum . My father's grandmother was Isabella Flora McIntosh who appears to be James and Margaret's granddaughter.
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Hi jodiG, I am Isabella Flora McIntosh's (she was always known as Flora) granddaughter and grew up in Gympie. I have some McIntosh family history to share. Send me a private message and we can swap email addresses and information, if you like.
Cheers
Sandy
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Thank you for replying to my post Sandy, will send you a pm. Jodi
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Hi there, Rowanali joining the chat. I am researching the history of our Highland Cottage, and wondered if I could help anybody else doing the same. I grew up in a house in Edinburgh that was called 'Tolvah'. My parents called it that because of a life changing holiday they had had in the early 1960's at a but'in'ben in the highlands. They were there for a month with 2 preschoolers. There was no running water or electricity. It will be the cottage that your ancestor lived in. I believe it means 'drowning pool'!! Anyway I do have wonderful photos of it somewhere but it might take a while to find them digitally. It still exists.
ali
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OK, easier than I thought. Here are two photos....