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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Meath => Topic started by: roby on Tuesday 26 February 08 08:33 GMT (UK)
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Dear Rootschatters. :D
I have found an unsual name in my tree. De Mamiel, my gg Aunt married a Thomas De Mamiel, born County Meath, Ireland. Is this a common Irish name or is the birth in Ireland a one off event of a family from elsewhere ???? ???
Many thanks for any assistance
Robyn
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Definitely not a common name in Ireland. I think that names beginning with De are of Norman origin, e.g. DeBurgh, DeLacey, DeCourcey.
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Roby,
It appears that all De Mamiel's descend from Captain Henri HOENER/HAENER (1802 - 1866) of France who married firstly Anna Maria Caroline SWIFT (1804 - 1849) of Ireland and secondly Sarah Emma MacDERMOTT (1816 - 1882). Upon Henri's marriage to Anna Maria Caroline in Brighton ENGLAND in1833 he listed his surname as HOENER/HAENER de MAMIEL. His father had married twice and his mothers maiden name was MAMIEL. From this point the couple used DE MAMIEL as their surname and all 7 children ( and 3 from second marriage) were given the surname DE MAMIEL. The boys all seem to have HOENER as their last christian name. After the birth of their fist son in Belgium, HEnri & Anna moved to her families property in Ireland.
Would the Thomas DE MAMIEL you mention be Thomas Gordon Charles Hoener DE MAMIEL? He was born in county Meath about 1845 and emigrated to Australia by 1863. If so this would make your gg Aunt Catherine ROBESON. This couple are my great great grandparents!
Are you able to share anything about the Robeson's?
HellyMelly
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Hi Helly Melly.
Yes Catherine Robeson is my gg aunt. My gg grandmother was her sister Elizabeth Robeson married Jonathon Cheesley.
I do have some information on the Robeson's that I am willing to share. If you let me know your email address I can contact you.
I live near where the Catherine, John and Elizabeth Robeson were born in Indigo near Barnwartha, Victoria. Australia. Are you nearby?
Look forward to hearing from you.
Cheers
Roby
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Thanks for the tip - re minimum posts!
HellyMelly
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Roby,
I am Sydney based - but grew up in Whitton NSW where Gordon (as he was known) and Catherine settled.
I will be in touch soon...
Helly Melly
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Hi Guys
Would love to touch base with you guys, I am descended from Henry Hoener de Mamiel - brother of Thomas gordon de Mamiel. He is my GG grandfather and he married Catherine Quirk
regards
Amanda
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Amanda,
I would be happy to touch base, my connection to the DeMamiels is slim as my gg grandmothers sister Catherine Robeson married into the family. However happy to be of help if I can
regards
Roby
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Hi Roby
That would be great. Do you have any photo's of Catherine Robeson at all. I am happy to share any info I have that you may like about Thomas Gordon etc.
Amanda
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Hi all,
I have a heap of info on the De Mamiel family mentioned ie. descendants of Captain Henry Hoener De Mamiel b. 1803 Austria d. 1866 Co. Meath Ireland. Particularly those descendants who came out to Australia. I have a contact who has done over 10 years research on the family, so if anyone is looking for info etc please get in touch with me (*)
Cheers
Kim
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Hi Kim,
How weird it is finding this thread! I am another Demamiel!
I remember around 10 years ago being given a whole bundle of information including family trees, copies of photographs, coat of arms (of the Swifte's from memory) and a bunch of other papers. This was given to another family member and has since disappeared.
Would it be possible to get a copy of your information?
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Hiya
I too have a bunch of info, once you have done 3 posts we can PM each other and get address's etc. Am happy to send the discs of info that I have. Kim and I have discovered we have info from the same source :-)
Amada
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Hi,
I can give you details of the person who has done all the work. He's the expert, so it's best of you get in contact with him. Once I work out this PM setup I'll send you my address etc,
Cheers
Kim
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Hi Ladies,
It is quiet probable that the information I had was from the same person (I believe he was from Wagga). It was given to me through another family member but is now gone - finding this thread was a godsend!
Thanks
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yes that is probably best actually. He has spent a lot of hours and probably $$$ as well in collecting all the info. Best to let him pass on what he wishes :)
How are you linked to the de Mamiels pattern-skies?
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I forgot to add, I believe there is a De Mamiel Street in Darlington Point. I think there are a few De Mamiels out that way.
As I said, my surname is Demamiel and I am linked through Demamiel's in Leeton
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I am glad that my simple query re: my gg aunt Catherine Robeson has resulted in all of you being able to contact one another. Another Rootschat success :D
Another note: I grew up and live near where the De Mamiels lived in Barnawartha Vic, if I can be of any help.
cheers
Roby
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I am working on our family tree and on My mothers side we are connected to Anna Maria Caroline and Baron Hoener de Mamiel. Caroline de Mamiel (1856-1922) married Thomas Renouf Mahy (1831-1884) in 1876.
I am interested in the history of the name . Your explanation may help with my search.
Cheers
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Hi my grandmother Patricia Adeline Emily Retallick (DeMamiel) just passed away I have no history only her mother and fathers names and where she was born and grew up.
Her father was William Demamiel, Mother Caroline Demamiel
My grandmother was born in Narrandra grew up in Whitton and moved to Leeton She married John (Jack) Edgar Retallick.
I would appreciate any help I can re Demamiel I would like to trace our heritage and start a family tree :)
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Since your family's in Australia you'll need to trace back a few generations, at least, before you can start making any connections to any Irish Demamiels.
Sicne Narrandra and Leeton are in N.S.W. I took a quick look in the index there and found a William Francis John Demamiel married 1938 to Caroline Pannowitz. Could this be your grandmother's parents?
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/familyHistory.htm
Would probably be best to start a new thread on Australia board where the experts there will be able to help more but remember that we can't post details of living people.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,165.0.html
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Hi All,
Finally remembered my login!!!!
The name De Mamiel appears to have been created on the marriage of Henry HAENER to Anna Maria Caroline SWIFT in Brighton ENGLAND in 1833. Henry was the son of Jean Baptiste Nicholas HAENER and his first wife Anne Therese MAMIEL.
There are several people who have been researching the DE MAMIEL's for many years. I can put people in touch with a gentleman who has provided me with some fascinating research, please contact me offline.
At least 4 sons (possibly 5) of Henry and Anna emigrated to Victoria in teh 1850 - 1860's, with their daughters and the children of Henry's second marriage emigrating to North America. Hence DE MAMIEL Creek, at Sooke on Vancouver Island, Canada being named after one of the girls.
The 4/5 brothers initially settled around northern Victoria (Barnawartha, Yackandanda....) Stanislas and Gordon (aka Thomas Gordon Charles) then moved to Darlington Point in NSW in about 1880. At some point Stanislas moved to Howlong and Thomas to Whitton (ot far from Darlington Point). A number of Stanislas' children remained in the area.
My grandparents are William Francis John DE MAMIEL and Caroline PANNOWITZ, however there are many DE MAMIEL's scattered across the area.
I have some images that I have had made from pictures in the Whitton Museum, but not yet sure how they fit in....
HellyMelly
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My father was a De Mamiel born to Gordon in Whitton. His cousin was Jack Pannowitz. I do have a fair bit of information but would love to know more about 'Lions Den' in County Meath Ireland and also about the details of the birthplace of Captain Henry Hoener De Mamiel in Nancy.
DL
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my grandmother was Caroline De Mamiel and she married Joseph Mansfield in Perth WA where my father was born in 1906. My father Louis Mansfield emigrated to England in the Thirties and he died in 1967. Grandmother Caroline (Carrie) died in 1961 in Kensington London. I can't find any records of Henry Hoener de Mamiel's parents so I'm stuck. All I've got is memories of a bit of verbal history from Carrie about her young life in the mid/late 1800's about her family and growing up in those days???
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my grandmother was Caroline De Mamiel born c.1868 and she married Joseph Mansfield in Perth WA where my father was born in 1906. My father Louis Mansfield then emigrated to England in the Thirties and he died in 1967. Grandmother Caroline (Carrie) died in 1961 in Kensington London. I can't find any records of Henry Hoener de Mamiel's parents so I'm stuck. All I've got is memories of a bit of verbal history from Carrie about her young life in the mid/late 1800's about her Melbourne family and growing up there in those days??? Nor can I find out much about the Perth Mansfields so I'm stuck there too!
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http://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/lionsden-house-on-c-53-acres-longwood-co-meath/357822
This is a link to sale brochre in 2010 of Lionsden House Co.Meath ancestral home of Swift De Mamiel. It looks rather run down. I got it after Googling lionsden Co.Meath.
The farm was also sold last Autumn for c.740,000 euros.
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I have a Caroline Sophia DE MAMIEL being daughter of Catherine QUIRK (b1843 d1922) and Henry Hoener DE MAMIEL (b1840 d1916) in my file - for whom I have been unable to determine any death information. Thanks for the lead for England!
Caroline Sophia was 5th of 14 children to this couple. She was born 9 Jun 1868 at Indigo Creek, Victoria, AUS.
Henry and Catherine married 21 Apr 1861 at Chiltern, Victoria, AUS.
I do noy know much about Catherine QUIRK.
Henry Hoener DE MAMIEL was the 4th child of Henri HAENER and Anna Maria Caroline SWIFT. This couple appear to have used the surname DE MAMIEL from their marriage in 1833. Henry was born 10 Feb 1840 in Dublin, Ireland.
Hope this helps.
HellyMelly
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Henri HAENER was born in Nancy, FRANCE 23 May 1802 and Anna Maria Caroline SWIFT at Lionsden near Trim, Meath, IRELAND 29 July 1804. They married 15 January 1833 at Brighton, Sussex, ENGLAND.
Please message me privately and I will give yo contact information for gentleman who has been researching the DE MAMIEL's for many years.
HellyMelly
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Hi HellyMelly Thanks for the message. Sorry it's been awhile but we were on holiday in France. I've sent you a private message as requested and just hope I did it correctly. ??? Let me know if I failed please, thanks.
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Hi.
New to Rootschat, but looking for connections to the De Mamiels in Australia. My Grandmother was Nelly De Mamiel, married Frederick William Kelson, had a son Roland William Kelson who married Nancy Lynette Kroezen. Any help would be appreciated.
Regards
Rod
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Rodders K,
I can see Nelly DE MAMIEL in research material provided to me, I can even find you! Her grandfather was son of Henri HAENER and Anna Maria Caroline SWIFT; he had my favorite name (thus far in my family history research) ~ George Lucas Hoener DE MAMIEL!
Please message me privately and I will give you contact information for gentleman who has been researching the DE MAMIEL's for many years. Be prepared to update your part of the family tree for him!
Helen
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Cheers,
Many thanks.
PM sent.
Rodders
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Hi
I am related to Catherine de Mamiel b22/12/1882 in Dunolly
james william Potter Rushworth , Harry and George Potter at Barnawatha. Is this the same family? Helen P :)
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Helen Potter,
Yes Catherine DE MAMIEL who married a POTTER is part of the tree. As yet we have no information on her descendants. ???
I will be happy to put you in contact with gent who co-ordinates all things DE MAMIEL. I will send you a private message with my e-mail for you to contact me. :D
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Hellymelly
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My name is Rob Horrigan, my ancestors on both the Horrigan and Mansfield (my grandmother) side married DeMamiels here in Western Australia and made large of the connection to Baron DeMamiel and Dean Jonathan Swift , if i can provide any help with your family trees let me know.
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I have a Caroline Sophia DE MAMIEL being daughter of Catherine QUIRK (b1843 d1922) and Henry Hoener DE MAMIEL (b1840 d1916) in my file - for whom I have been unable to determine any death information. Thanks for the lead for England!
Caroline Sophia was 5th of 14 children to this couple. She was born 9 Jun 1868 at Indigo Creek, Victoria, AUS.
Henry and Catherine married 21 Apr 1861 at Chiltern, Victoria, AUS.
I do noy know much about Catherine QUIRK.
Henry Hoener DE MAMIEL was the 4th child of Henri HAENER and Anna Maria Caroline SWIFT. This couple appear to have used the surname DE MAMIEL from their marriage in 1833. Henry was born 10 Feb 1840 in Dublin, Ireland.
Hope this helps.
HellyMelly
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I have just been reading the posts regarding the name de Mamiel. I will begin at the beginning. The name Haener originated in Germany. Jean Haener married Marguerite Arnould, dates unknown. They had a son, Jean-Jacques Haener, born Umstadt, Germany, in 1710 (died 1794) where his parents lived. He moved to France in 1730 with his parents and settled in Nancy where he became printer to the king, married Anne-Willem de Porceaux (1718-1788) in 1737. They had a son, Henri (1744-1817), who took over the printing business. He married Magdaleine Perrin (1751-1787) in 1770. They had a son Jean-Baptiste Nicolas Haener (1776-1838), printer, who married Anna Therese Mamiel (1778-1818) in 1801. They had a son, Born 1802 Department of Meurthe, Nancy, France, whom they named Henri Haener de Mamiel, combining both family names. He married Anna Maria Caroline (Caroline) Swift (1804-1849) on 15/01/1833, at Brighton, England, eldest child of Godwin Swift (1779-1814) and Jane Sophia Swift (1785-1851). I have traced the Swift family back beyond William the Conqueror, Alfred the Great and all royal houses of Western Europe. Yes, they were well connected. Captain Henri remarried and died 1866. Stanislaus Haener and Henry Hoener left Ireland in mid 1850's. The name Hoener became widely used as another first name. Stanislaus, the eldest of seven children, was born Brussels, Belgium 1834, arrived in Australia with Elizabeth Bourke, born Killyon, Ireland 1837. They were never married but had eight children. They separated 1871. He married Eliza Holmes, born County Donegal, Ireland 1843, in 1773, and had they had one child; Eliza died 1880; Stanislaus married her niece, Susan Jane Holmes, and they had eleven children. In all Stanislaus fathered 20 children, 3 boys and 17 girls. Stanislaus farmed at Indigo Ck V., then bought the hotel, post office, shop and large areas of land at Darlingon Point on the Murrumbidgee River, sold them and bought firstly Violet Bank for 3,043 pounds followed by the adjoining Morebringer Station on the northern bank of the Murray River on the outskirts of Howlong NSW. where he and Susan Jane built a substantial homestead 1894-97 which still stands. Stanislaus died 1899 and is buried at Howlong. Susan Jane and two of their children are also buried there. Meanwhile Elizabeth Bourke married Robert Stubbs in 1873. She died in a fire in Eldorado in 1893. Henry Hoener (1840-1916) married Catherine Quirk (1843-1922), eldest daughter of James Quirk of Banshee, Co. Tipperary, Ireland, at Chiltern 21/04/1861, and became extensive property owners around Barnawartha V, including a hotel there. They reared 14 children, 6 of whom went to Western Australia, in early adulthood.
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More on de Mamiels.
George Lucas Hoener de Mamiel 1843-926, and Thomas Gordon Charles Hoener de Mamiel 1845-1923, followed their two elder brothers to Australia while Oswald, Ciserina and Fernanda accompanied their stepmother and three half siblings to USA. Fernanda became a well known entertained in San Francisco and Oswald worked there while ciserina went to BC, Canada.
Stanislaus had 20 children, eight with Elizabeth Bourke namely: Caroline 1856-1922, married (1)Thomas Renouf Mahy 1831-1884, (2) Robert Harrington de Graves; George Lucas de Mamiel 1857-1943 married (1) Eliza Dunstan; Jane Sohpia 1858-, married Connery; Elizabeth Mary 1860-1928 married Nugent; Sarah 1861-1945 married (1) Dr Daniel O'Leary (2) James Carroll; Margaret 1962-1945 married (1) Heartneady (2) Lawrence Henry Pittman; Mildred Jane, known as Jane 1864-1938 married Henry William Fenn and had ten children; Julia 1867- married William Aldridge who was accidentally killed at Mundaring Weir WA in 1901, after they had separated.
One with Eliza Holmes namly Jessie McIntyre de Mamiel 1874- married James Wyse whose family owned property around Howlong.
Eleven with Susan Jane Holmes namely Jessie Katherine (Kate) 1879-1957 did not marry; Isabella Mary Ann 1881-1962 married McVean; Lily Jane 1882-1962 married Anderson); Annie Marie 1884-1910 did not marry died by drowning in lagoon on 'Morebringer' Howlong; Rosina Matilda 1888-1961 did not marry became a music teacher in Albury; Alexander Stanislaus 1889-1942, did not marry, suffered a debilitating injury in childhood; Margaret Cecilia (Pearl) 1892-1971 married Hore; Daisy Evelyn 1893-1973 married Frost; Ruby Olive (Ollie) 1895-1983 married Samuel Heywood and lived near Seymour V; Leslie Clarence 1897-1936 married and had three daughters, inherited half the estate when Stanislaus died in 1899, however sold it in 1925 and moved to Culcairn where he opened a commission agency and became an auctioneer.
Henri married Catherine Quirk born 1843 Banshee, Co. Tipperary Ireland. They had fourteen children namely: Margaret; Jack; Fernandah; Harold; Honora; James; Caroline Sophia; Oswald; Henry; George; Ernest; Ethel; Catherine Elizabeth and Arthur. At least six of them moved to Western Australia including James, Oswald, Ernest, Caroline (Carrie), Catherine and Arthur. Many grandchildren became highly qualified in music. Veronica, daughter of Carrie became internationally known. She and Mercia, Mavis, Norrie, gained their qualificatons through Trinity College of Music London.
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What a fantastic thread!
Henri married Catherine Quirk born 1843 Banshee, Co. Tipperary Ireland. They had fourteen children namely: Margaret; Jack; Fernandah; Harold; Honora; James; Caroline Sophia; Oswald; Henry; George; Ernest; Ethel; Catherine Elizabeth and Arthur. At least six of them moved to Western Australia including James, Oswald, Ernest, Caroline (Carrie), Catherine and Arthur. Many grandchildren became highly qualified in music. Veronica, daughter of Carrie became internationally known. She and Mercia, Mavis, Norrie, gained their qualificatons through Trinity College of Music London.
gerardus5 do you have any information on Mercia's heritage? She was my great aunt and I'm trying to find out more about my great-grandfather's lineage, he was Phillip Francis De Mamiel (Western Australia). I don't think I can send DM's yet as I'm too new but I would love to know if anyone has more info about this line - perhaps I can contribute something new to the De Mamiel picture too!
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I have lots of information on Mercia de Mamiel. Mercia is the daughter of Oswald and Isabel Grace Mansfield (known as Grace), and lived with them in Stirling Street, Perth. She is a full cousin of Veronica Mansfield, noted singer, entertainer, meaning her father's sister, Caroline de Mamiel, married her mother's brother, Joseph Mansfield. She was a debutante at Government House Ballroom on 10/8/1932 while attending Sacred Heart Convent High School Perth. In 1934 Mercia passed with honours Grade II Singing. In 1937 she accompanied her mother and noted singer, Senor Nino Marotta, to Italy to continue her music studies. She then went to England where she married Godfrey Tuxford late 1939. In April 1946, Mercia was back in Perth for her first public appearance since returning from England when she sang at Everyman's Music Woodwind recital, Winthrop Hall, Perth. I have little information on Phillip Francis de Mamiel at this stage but will post when I have more. Google 'trove anl' and learn how to acess newspaper articles. Cheers
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I have lots of information on Mercia de Mamiel. Mercia is the daughter of Oswald de Mamiel and Isabel Grace Mansfield (known as Grace), and lived with them in Stirling Street, Perth. Oswald is the son of Henry de Mamiel and Katherine Quirk of Marnawartha Vic. Henry is mentioned in previous posts. She is a full cousin of Veronica Mansfield, noted singer, entertainer, meaning her father's sister, Caroline de Mamiel, married her mother's brother, Joseph Mansfield. She was a debutante at Government House Ballroom on 10/8/1932 while attending Sacred Heart Convent High School Perth. In 1934 Mercia passed with honours Grade II Singing. In 1937 she accompanied her mother and noted singer, Senor Nino Marotta, to Italy to continue her music studies. She then went to England where she married Godfrey Tuxford late 1939. In April 1946, Mercia was back in Perth for her first public appearance since returning from England when she sang at Everyman's Music Woodwind recital, Winthrop Hall, Perth. I have little information on Phillip Francis de Mamiel at this stage but will post when I have more. Google 'trove anl' and learn how to acess newspaper articles. I have lots of information on Oswald. Cheers
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Philip Francis DeMamiel 1908 - 1963, married to Miriam Beatrice ?.
Children Judith, Jeanette, Lorraine, Michael and Robert.
Buried in the Southern Cross cemetery, billion graves refers.
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Roby,
I am Sydney based - but grew up in Whitton NSW where Gordon (as he was known) and Catherine settled.
I will be in touch soon...
Helly Melly
My grandmother was the daughter of Hoenor George William Demamiel (A resident of Whitton NSW)She was born Catherine E Demamiel in 1909 and married David John McAliece in 1926 at Griffith. I believe her mother was Rose Hannah Hutchins,but can not find a record of this.Could there be a connection.
Don Dowling.
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My grandmother was the daughter of Hoenor George William Demamiel ( A long time resident of Whitton NSW) She was born Catherine E Demamiel in1909 and married David John McAliece in 1926.
I believe her mother was Rose Hannah Hutchins,but can not find a record of her parents marriage.
Don Dowling.
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Hello, this is my first post.
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[/quote]Hello, this is my first post. My ancestor was Stanislaus De Mamiel who moved to NSW from County Meath Ireland. He was my great great grandfather. I have a brilliant family history tree I will photograph and post. I also have a great deal of family history. I am not at home at the moment, but was so excited when I saw this post that I had to jump on board and say hello.
I also have a few old photos
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http://threesonslater.com/2017/03/faded-glory-lionsden-georgian-country-house/
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Hi
I'm researching my great grandmother Mavis De Mamiel as I have very little information on her. Her father was Ernest Longueville De Mamiel and they are the descendants of Henry Hoener and his wife Catherine Quirk. If anyone could help me find more information on Mavis De Mamiel
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Hi Helly Melly and others.
I was in contact with a man named Bert or Burt about 20 years ago but I have lost contact. He gave me some disks with a great deal of information on the De Mamiel family tree but they were in Apple format and I wasn't able to access a great deal of it.
I would love it if someone could put me back in contact with Burt or another chap named Ken who had a lot of info on our family history.
I do however have a copy of the family tree. I will photograph it and am hap[y to share.
Cheers Cheryle Matthew nee Abbey
descendant of Stanislaus De Mamiel's daughter Sarah... my grandmother
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I read somewhere about posting 3 times before I can share email address.
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My great aunt got information from ken and some from Bert but I think both of these men have passed away. I have so much on the family going back to the 1800 but its my great grandmother that I'm missing info for
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My great aunt got information from ken and some from Bert but I think both of these men have passed away. I have so much on the family going back to the 1800 but its my great grandmother that I'm missing info for
Where and when was she born?
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I don't know where she was born but she was born on the 21st of Feb 1911. Her father was Ernest Longueville De Mamiel and her mother Estella May gillzan but I'm not sure as my great grandmother told her children that her mother died when she was 18months old
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I don't know where she was born but she was born on the 21st of Feb 1911. Her father was Ernest Longueville De Mamiel and her mother Estella May gillzan but I'm not sure as my great grandmother told her children that her mother died when she was 18months old
Probably not in Ireland?
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No I don't think so. I know I have Irish roots with my great grandfather Terrence Joseph O'Sullivan born 14/2/1907 who my great grandmother Mavis Erica married in southern Cross western Australia. I'm also researching that side also
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I am Caroline De Mamiel's great granddaughter. She married Joseph Mansfield and my grandfather was Louis Mansfield their son. I'd love to know more about her seeing as i am named after her too. And if anyone needs to know a bit about my branches let me know.
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I am a cousin of Louis I know a little bit and have some photos but would to know more and maybe able to help
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Only one De Mamiel on Free BMD. A marriage. Looking at the site will give you where the marriage took place and of course you could order the marriage certificate if interested.
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marriage
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1856/09509/5446379.pdf
admin of the estate of Hester Chambers
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014887/005014887_00218.pdf
marriage of Alexander Chambers
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1860/09589/5477291.pdf
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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3CRG-GND
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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6PQQ-T3V?i=1003&cc=1307718&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AJD87-2PJ
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Caroline Sophia
Died at Kensington UK in 1961. Born Chilternn Victoria, married 1901
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Hello all. I must say this thread is quite informative. If only most family tree's I have worked on had this much information already gathered. My connection to the DeMamiel name is via my great grand mother Camila May Jones (nee DeMamiel). Her parents were George (Lucas? not 100% if that was his middle name) DeMamiel and Elizabeth (Selina) Eva Diedrich. George was the eldest son of Stanislaus Demamiel & Elizabeth Bourke. I note that the marriage is not listed on geradus5's post a couple of pages ago, it lists an Eliza Dunstan which is incorrect, Eliza was George Lucas Hoener deMamiel's (being the son of Baron Capt Henri) second wife.
Our family has a large family tree book which I assume most of you have as well, I think it goes back to the Swiftes. That is being delivered to me to have a look at. Given I see some mention of Wagga where the main information was from I dare say our family has a copy given Camilia's children mostly lived in Wagga. Although one of them who has since passed but his wife is still alive and very well does live on DeMamiel St in Darlington Point as I saw someone mention that street earlier.
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And now for my questions (and to get my 3 posts up). I guess this may also serve as a sort of summary for other people who come across this thread. These answers are probably in the family tree book being sent to me but I am impatient.
1. Baron Captain Henri Hoener DeMamiel, are these all of his children with Anna Maria
Stanislaus Hoener DeMamiel b.1834 d. 1899
Henry Hoener DeMamiel b. 1840 d. 1916
George Lucas Hoener deMamiel b. 1843 d. 1926
Thomas Gordon Charles Hoener deMamiel b. 1845 d. 1923
Fernanda Margaret Hoener DeMamiel b. 1841 d. ?
Oswald Napoleon William Hoener de Mamiel b. ? d. ?
Ciserina Sophia Hoener DeMamial b. ? d. ?
2. What were the names of his three children with Sarah McDermott?
3. George Lucas Hoener deMamiel, I read he married three times but I only know of the two being to Esther Robina Gibson and Eliza Dunstan/Dunstone. Is there a third?
4. The children of Thomas Gordon Charles Hoener & Catherine Robeson. I have 7 names but I believe there are 11.
5. George Lucas Hoener & Esther Robinia Gibson had three children, Agnes, Georgina b. 1868 (VIC) & Florence. George didn't have any in his second marriage to Eliza but if he did marry a third time did they have any children? I haven't seen any records if they did.
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Third post.
I got the family tree book today. It was compiled by Bert with the info from Ken. Although it is 95 pages it only covers the descendants of Stanislas and TGCH. But given these two contributed to like 34 children it makes sense that it would be a sizeable book.
It's dated as a working draft December 1991 so it's very impressive given it's pre modern PC and internet searching.
I guess the question is, what does everyone use to map this and is there a 'single source' anymore?
I have been using GRAMPS for all of my genealogy stuff and it can import most file types.
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I'm very pleased to find this thread tonight because today I worked on the two Mathews connections to my Brennans in Berkeley, California.
And I came across Emma Fernanda DeMamiel Mathews, the wife of Peter J. Mathews.
Emma had two brothers, and one of them, Gustave Hoener DeMamiel, has surviving mortuary records that list his parents as Capt Henri Hoener DeMamiel of France and Unknown McDermott (which is a bit odd because he, Emma, and their mother Sarah are all listed together on the 1880 census! Then again, he had not been married to his 2nd wife very long and his cause of death was listed as senility.)
I will try to attach it here. eta: It worked!
Emma and Peter Mathews had no children that I now of, but Gustave and Carrie, his first wife, had a son Archibald "Archie" Henri Hoener DeMamiel and a daughter Alma Miriam DeMamiel.
The other brother was Louis Victor, who married Ellen McKay.
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Three and a bit years later a reply to the thread!
Welcome Brennans.
Interetsing that Gustave DOB is 1858 (I had 1855 but I have no idea where I got that from) and that he had been in the US for 55 years.
It's quite a fascinating family of how from one union 190 years ago there are so many decendents scatered all over the world and can be easily linked by the surname DeMamiel.
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Thank you for the welcome!
I was a bit hesitant to post to a thread that had been started in 2008, but decided if *I* was suddenly looking them up, more people would in time. :D
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Blimey - I am amazed to see this thread still going after all these years.
I am back.... ;D
HellyMelly