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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: shaz04 on Friday 29 February 08 04:27 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
Im really at a dead end searching for "Gillies" from these areas.
I have Malcolm Gardiner Gillies 1909-1983 married Coral Hudson.
Thomas Gillies 1891-1916 married Anna Browne (later married Herbert West).
Im looking for anything further on from Thomas who was killed in action in France 30/10/1916.
Thomas's parents are listed as Malcolm & Mary but I think there was a step mother??
Thanks.
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From the indexes
Birth
GILLIES Thos Jos
Father Malcolm Mother Mary Ann BRENNAN
Birth Place NOORAT 1891 Reg# 5654
Marriage
GILLIES Thos Joseph
BROWN Anna Marian Born Terang
1916 Reg. # 10189
Will see if I can find the possible death of his mother and ? remarriage.
Cheers
cando
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Another birth to Malcolm and Mary Ann
GILLIES Ioleen Mary
Father: Malcolm Mother Mary Ann BRENNAN
Birth Place NOORAT 1892 Reg# 16123
cando
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Thanks for your help cando
That all ties in with what I have...... except Ioleen....
She's new! So Thomas had a sister?
Im trying to find more on my family & am really interested to know where we came from.
Thankyou so much
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Hi there
Some more births for you
John James Gillies b 1879 Amhe reg no 43
John James Gillies d 1960 81 years Park reg no 1698
Elizth Frances Gillies b 1880 Talbot reg no 22509
George Albert Gillies b 1885 Talb reg no 6431
George Albert Gillies d 1885 4 months Talbot reg no 3639
Ethel Jane Gillies b 1886 Talb reg no 22446
All list Father: Malcolm Mother Mary Ann Brennan
Raylen :)
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Hi
I have just had a read of the digitised war file for Thomas and although it offers an intriguing read, there is not a huge amount of extra info.
Anna remarried when she believed her husband Thomas had been killed in action though she was not sent definite certification of this until later.
A letter came to hand with which proported to be from Thomas to his step-mother at the correct address in Noorat. It said he had been adrift at sea for 68 hours and did not expect to survive. This cast doubt on his actual death and Anna, writes to the Army to ask them to clear up the matter.
She was remarried by this time in 1921.
http://www.gct.net.au/search.html#
is a Geelong distric Cemetery search and you will note the interrments of Cora Maude Gillies d. 1973. At Geelong West Cemetery.
Also Malcolm Gardiner Gillies is with her.
There are other Malcolm Gillies listed and we could consider that they may be forebears of your line.
Malcolm Gillies died 1868 is interred with
Allen Gillies d. 1860 . At Drysdale
Cemetery.
The site above has many other listings for Gillies and you may get some leads from there.
Also http://www.zades.com.au
has Gillies listings in Geelong.
Sue
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Thankyou so much for your searches!
I have also read the digitised war file for Thomas, great reading & quite mysterious with the references from Annie about "the message in a bottle" & the step mother.
Malcolm & Mary Brennan seem to be Thomas's parents but there are also Malcolm & Mary Brennans listed with other children (as above) & no Thomas?
Also the birth of Ioleen to Malcolm & Mary in Noorat?
This is quite a puzzle!
The Malcolm & Coral are right... my grandparents.
Thanks again for your help...... the mystery continues.....
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A glance at Terang Cemetery Monumental Inscriptions shows some other Gillies buried there.
I Can type it up if you think it is of interest.
They were from Noorat. Sometimes names assume importance in later research as things come together.
Sue
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That would be great thanks Sue,
Any little bit helps with this Gillies crew..... they seem to be quite allusive, well from me anyway!
Thanks again
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Malcolm & Mary Brennan seem to be Thomas's parents but there are also Malcolm & Mary Brennans listed with other children (as above) & no Thomas?
Also the birth of Ioleen to Malcolm & Mary in Noorat?
Posted by: cando Yesterday at 22:38:20
From the indexes
Birth
GILLIES Thos Jos
Father Malcolm Mother Mary Ann BRENNAN
Birth Place NOORAT 1891 Reg# 5654
It seems that all the children listed are from the same family.
More people to try and trace! :)
Raylen
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Have you looked at Victorian Immigration records.
There are some Gillies family groups arriving. Some with right sort of given names but wrong ages.
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=24
At Terang.
Angus Gillies b. c. 1862. d.5/10/1902 aged 40. Husband of Isabella. Father of Katie. Died at Noorat.
Isabella Gillies. b. c. 1866. d. 4/10/1924. wife of Angus. Mother of Katie. died at Noorat
Katie Gillies 3rd daughter of Angus and Isabella. b.1891. d. 1905 Died at Noorat.
Sue
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Hi
Marriage -
GILLIES Malcolm
BRENNAN Mary Ann
1877 Reg # 4714
cando
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Thanks again for your searches!
So it is possible that Malcolm & Mary Gillies (m) 1877 had
John James Gillies (b) 1879 (d) 1960
Elizabeth Frances Gillies (b) 1880 Talbot (d) ?
George Albert Gillies (b) 1885 (d) 1885 Talbot
Ethel Jane Gillies (b)1886 Talbot (d) ?
Thomas Joseph Gillies (b) 1891 Noorat (d) 1916 France
Ioleen Mary Gillies (b) 1892 Noorat (d) ?
Its very interesting, I'll try to search all these names & see if I can find anymore on Malcolm & Mary (& the stepmother)
I'd have to find more on them to find more about Malcolm ?
Thanks again
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Perhaps you may like to consider purchasing the marriage reg for Malcolm and Mary Ann BRENNAN in 1877 -
http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/servlet/bdm_home
You will need the reg # 4714. Cost is $17.50 and you can download the image immediately. Bit too handy at times ;D ;)
The marriage cert should show their parents names and mothers' maiden names and fathers' occupations, their places of birth and occupations and their marriage status, addresses and ages at time of marriage.
I'll have a quick look for the 2nd marriage.
cheers
cando
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So it is possible that Malcolm & Mary Gillies (m) 1877 had
John James Gillies (b) 1879 (d) 1960
m Cath Mary McKenzie 1909 reg no 5731
Elizabeth Frances Gillies (b) 1880 Talbot d 1920 37 years Melbourne East reg no 15502
married Geo Thomas Blackney 1905 reg no 3363
George Albert Gillies (b) 1885 (d) 1885 Talbot
Ethel Jane Gillies (b)1886 Talbot d 1941 54 Melbourne reg no 4484
married Arth Tho Gore 1905 reg no 5491. He died in 1917 and she married
Alfred Gordon 1924 reg no 4859
Thomas Joseph Gillies (b) 1891 Noorat (d) 1916 France
Ioleen Mary Gillies (b) 1892 Noorat (d) ?
A little more to add to your tree :)
Raylen
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Death
GILLIES Mary Ann
Father BRENNAN Jas Mother Elizth CAREY
42 years at Wbool Hospital 1902 Reg # 11958
There is a marriage in 1905 of a Donald GILLIES to a Christina STEWART Reg# 3368. His birth place given as BRTN and hers TERANG.
Have trawled the deaths registrations for Malcolm GILLIES and the following one may be possibility
GILLIES Malcolm
Father Gillies Donald Mother Catherine MCLEAN
at TERANG 64 years 1923 Reg# 8093
There are other births to Donald GILLIES and Catherine McLean in the 1860's and I note a number of deaths between 1921 and 1985 showing Donald and Catherine as parents. A certificate or two would help you on your way.
Cheers
cando
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Thanks so much!
I got the marriage certificate dated 13/12/1877 for Malcolm Gillies of Stony Creek Talbot & Mary Ann Brennan of Talbot (that is very handy I agree :) )
Malcolm was 21 a labourer & his parents were Donald Gillies (a farmer)& Catherine McLean.
Mary Ann was 18, A domestic servant & her parents were James Brennan (a miner) & Elizabeth McGarry.
There was also another marriage on the certificate is that common? also in Talbot different names.
This gets quite addictive doesnt it? ;) thanks again
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Well you have the correct death for Malcolm with parents Donald and Catherine.
Would you like the births/deaths the children of Donald GILLIES and Catherine McLEAN?
Yes quite common - you have an image of the page of a register. In later years you only get the record you request.
Cheers
Cando
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That would be great thanks Cando.
This is my 1st attempt at doing a family tree (did you guess? :D)
Its good to know Im on the right track especially with the great help from the people on this board!
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Did it give Malcolm's place of birth on the marriage reg? Only births in Australia to Donald and Catherine
Births
GILLIES Angus
Father Donald Mother Katherine MCLEAN
at NEWH 1863 Reg# 5354
GILLIES Alexander
Father Donald Mother:Catherine MCCLEAN
at STONEY CK 1866 Reg# 65
Deaths
GILLIES Angus
Father GILLIES Donald Mother Cath MCLEAN
at Noorat 40 years 1902 Reg# 15190
GILLIES Malcolm
Father GILLIES Donald Mother:Catherine MCLEAN
at TERANG 64 Years 1923 Reg# 8093
GILLIES Norman
Father GILLIES Donald Mother Cath MCLEAN
at MBORO 89 years 1942 Reg# 30123
GILLIES Roderick
Father GILLIES Donald Mother Katherine MCLEAN
AT MBORO 65 YEARS 1935 Reg# 16594
MCINTYRE Catherine**
Father GILLIES Donald Mother Catherine MCLEAN
at GREE 90 years 1971 Reg# 20840
Cheers
cando
**Edit - doubt if this belongs to this family - this Catherine would have been born in 1881 and Catherine [the ?mother]would have been 50 years old.
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Yes it did...
Malcolm Gillies Stony Creek Talbot Vic
Same as Alexander!!
Ok sifting through
Thanks & Cheers
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Well it looks as thought his birth was not registered - nothing in the indexes.
Now you will want some family history software to record all your research ;D ;D There are a few free downloads available - I started with PAF from http://www.familysearch.org
Cheers
cando
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Hi,
Now I will pop this in as it may or may not be on the right track.
Also buried at Terang Cemetery.
Catherine Gillies b. c. 1831. d. 1895 aged 64 died at Framlington. Wife of RONALD.
RONALD Gillies b. 1822. d. 1902 aged 80 died at Framlington. Husband of Catherine.
Now, I'm wondering is this a misprint from a hard to read headstone or register entry and should be written DONALD?
The text associated with these cemetery listings comes supposedly from MI 's.
Now that we know there was a son to Catherine named Angus and he and wife Isabella named a daughter Katie [reply #10 I think] and they are all interred in the same cemetery, I think we may have DONALD and Catherine.
Sue
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Hi.
The only marriage for Donald Gillies was to Isabella Mclean
Surname: GILLIS
Given Names: Donald
Event: M
Spouse Surname/Father: MCLEAN
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Isabella
Sex: M
Year: 1863
Reg Number: 2835
There are 16 births all up for Mclean with father Donald and mother either Isabella or Catherine Mclean.
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Two in 1867 one for Catherine and one for Mary Ann and again in 1869 Roderick and Malcolm , in the same towns, with other registrations between them; therefore not likely to be twins and one had Catherine as the mother the other Isabella.
Perhaps sisters married cousins with the same name!!! Name varied between Gills, Gillis, Gillies Gilles.
Both couples seem to live in the same town at the same time!!! You will find it helpful to purhase the birth certificate of the youngest child of bothcouples. This should shed some light on the couples parents as well.
Available on line at http://online.justice.vic.gov.au
worth a try
Robyn in Wodonga
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Catherine Gilles b 1867 Cherst ( maybe meant to be Amherst?)
Father Donald Mother Catherine McLean
Reg no 19406
Catherine Gillies d 1867 born Ston age 14 weeks
Father Donald Mother Catherine McLean
Reg no 9619
Raylen
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A member submitted entry on IGI
Donald Gillies married Catherine Maclean 20/5/1852
Portree,Inverness,Scotland
I checked Scotlands People and got 1 match
with the details above.
Sounds promising :)
Raylen
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Here is the death reg for Donald and Catherine
GILLIES Donald
Father GILLIES Rhoderick Mother Christina MCKENZIE
80 years at Terang 1902 Reg# 11836
and
GILLIES Catherine
Father MCLEAN Angus Mother Annie MCKENZIE
at Nallangeich 64 years 1895 Reg# 161
Cheers
cando
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Good find Raylen - it was obvious that they weren't married in Australia by and I wouldn't be at all surprised that Malcolm was not born here either - even though it was stated he was born at Stoney Creek on his marriage cert.
Good find Sue and I am sure you are correct - Donald not Ronald.
Will have another look at the shipping records.
Cheers
cando
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Hi,
Victorian immigration passenger listings do show a couple of Donald Gillies pairings that look like father and son. Arriving 1850's. might give 2 generations of births with Donald Gillies as father.
Sue
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And some more chn
Transcribed as
GILLIS Christiana
Father Donald Mother Catherine MCLEAN
at DALH 1860 Reg#11007
GILLIS Roderick
Father Donald Mother: Catherine MCLEAN
at AMHERST 1869 Reg# 6095
cando
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* Duplicated details removed
Sorry cando :-[
I repeated some information you already had posted.
Raylen
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Sue I think that this group of GILLIES on the MILTIADES could include Donald and Catherine. The death cert showed Donald's father to be Roderick.
GILLIES Angus 10 OCT 1852 MILTIADES 7 26
GILLIES Catherine 48 OCT 1852 MILTIADES 7 26
GILLIES Catherine 14 OCT 1852 MILTIADES 7 32
GILLIES Catherine 23 OCT 1852 MILTIADES 7 26
GILLIES Donald 23 OCT 1852 MILTIADES 7 26
GILLIES Donald 12 OCT 1852 MILTIADES 7 26
GILLIES John 1 OCT1852 MILTIADES 7 26
GILLIES Murdoch 18 OCT 1852 MILTIADES 7 31
GILLIES Roderick 52 OCT1852 MILTIADES 7 26
I know the ages aren't spot on but that's shipping records ::) Catherine aged 23 is right.
I think this is probably getting very confusing for shazo4 as she has mentioned this is her first venture into family history - perhaps a summary may help her. Some of the bdm information has been duplicated.
Cheers
cando
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Thankyou so much for all your efforts!
Your right Cando...... Im confused ???
But thats ok, I'll sit down later on & go through all this & try to piece it together its certainly got me very interested
I just need to make sure Ive got the right Gillies & dont add the wrong family into my tree ;D
Thanks again to you all
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For those who are interested in this thread - spent a bit of time on this family and with shaz04 and a couple of death certs, it has now been established that the shipping records above are that of the correct family. There has been a mistranscription of Roderick's wife's name - should be Christina and the age of Donald is incorrect.
I would imagine that shaz04 will probably be back asking for more lookups as she builds her family tree ;D
Cheers
cando
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A big thankyou to everyone who contributed to my Family tree.
Im off to a great start with all your help & am working out who's who.
Special thankyou to Cando who got me on the right track!
& yes I'll be back Im sure ;D
Thanks again xx
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Thanks for the feedback cando.
It's nice if you've been following a thread to find out
what happened.
Great work from you and Sue(sparrett) :)
and good luck to shaz04.
Raylen
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The age of which donald Cando?
I cannot work out whose child Donald junior is on the ship.
If donald [aged 23] is Roderick's child, then who does the other Donald belong to?
You wouldn't have 2!
Sue
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It is Roderick with his wife Christina and their son Donald with his wife Catherine and infant son John and the rest are Roderick's chn.
According to Roderick's death cert - his chn
Donald, John [died in Scotland], Murdoch, Catherine, Ronald, Ann [died in Scotland] Angus.
cando
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Hello again,
cando, good thing the death certificate made things clearer.
This is how they appear on the Scottish census.
1841 Hallaig, Inverness,Scotland
Roderick Gillies 40 Inverness,Scotland, Ag Lab
Christian Gillies 40 Inverness,Scotland
Ann Gillies 15 Inverness,Scotland
Donald Gillies 15 Inverness,Scotland
John Gillies 13 Inverness,Scotland
Murdoch Gillies 9 Inverness,Scotland
Catharine Gillies 6 Inverness,Scotland
Donald Gillies 3 Inverness,Scotland
1851 Ferns Portee,Inverness,Scotland
Roderick 55 head - Crofter
Christian 52 wife - Crofters wife
Donald 24 son - Laborer
Murdo 18 son - Laborer
Catharin 15 daug - Maid Servant
Dond 12 son - Scholar
Angus 9 son - Scholar
All born born Portee,Inverness,Scotland
All transcibed as Giller :-\
Raylen
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Thanks for that Raylen - well we have 2 Donalds again - however it was definitely Ronald on the death cert.
Wonder if Ann and Donald were twins?
Leaving this thread now as I spent most of yesterday afternoon doing this family.
Cheers
cando
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Hello,
Im might be way off track here but reading Rodericks Death Cert it says
Roderick GILLES Farmer
Where & when died: 6/10/1879 County Dalhousie
Sex & Age: Male 50
Mother: Mary Gilles formerly McKenzie
Father: Donald Gilles
Where & when buried: Woodend Cemetary 9/10/1879
Born In Scotland 27 years in Victoria
Birth & Names Of Children:
Donald 55 years
John deceased
Murdoch 50 years
C... cant read it 44 years
Ronald 40 years
Ann deceased
Angus 34 years
Im confused too or am I having a blonde moment?
Gillies may have been Gilles or Gillis back then?
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Hi there
As you go along the way you can find some names change spelling.
Sometimes a little - sometimes a lot! :o
Even with the births and deaths found for your Gillies family here, there
were several different spellings from the registrations.
It just make researching all the more fun ;D
Someone might have a technical answer as to how/why this
happens.
Happy hunting :)
Raylen
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Hello,
Im might be way off track here but reading Rodericks Death Cert it says
Roderick GILLES Farmer
Where & when died: 6/10/1879 County Dalhousie
Sex & Age: Male 50
Mother: Mary Gilles formerly McKenzie
Father: Donald Gilles
Where & when buried: Woodend Cemetary 9/10/1879
Born In Scotland 27 years in Victoria
Birth & Names Of Children:
Donald 55 years
John deceased
Murdoch 50 years
C... cant read it 44 years
Ronald 40 years
Ann deceased
Angus 34 years
Im confused too or am I having a blonde moment?
Gillies may have been Gilles or Gillis back then?
Shaz04 I think I can explain - take note of the informant's name for this registration - it was a neighbour. I would suggest that you now contact the Woodend Cemetery Trust -
http://www.ozgenonline.com/aust_cemeteries/vic/vicsec3.htm#anchor393061
Mr K Garlick
Secretary
Mount Macedon Road
Woodend 3442
03 5427 2838
giving both spellings and date of death and see if they can give you burial details and location of grave.
The name was GILLIES on the shipping record and on GRO Scotland on Donald's marriage to Catherine McLEAN.
The name you are having difficulty reading on the death certificate is Catherine.
Cheers
cando
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Ok I wondered who that was ::) (the informant)
Called Woodend & they are doing a search for me & will hear back soon.
All the spellings & name variations are crazy.
I had a quick look around & it seems no-one else has a tree on these "Gillies" :o
Thanks again for clearing that up Cando & Raylin
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Hello,
Just an update that I received an email from Woodend saying that
Roderick Gillies 80 years old was buried 1879 Presbyterian section Grave1 Row E
Christina Gillies 88 years was buried 1886 Presbyterian Section Grave 5 Row E, Also in this grave Roderick 2 years buried 1888 no headstone.
Also an Annie Gillies Lewtas 78 years buried 1940 C of E section Grave 59 Row F - Headstone..... (not sure if she is related yet)
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Hello again,
I was wondering if anyone can lookup Donald Gillies & Mary McKenzie in Scotland, Im not sure where to look for any information on these two.
Ive found an Effy Gillies 1801 Portree Inverness with Donald & Mary listed as parents (also a son Roderick).
I cant find any more information on them...... any suggestions would be great!
My tree has grown with thanks for all the help you've given!
Cheers
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There are several (9) Effy Gillies in the 1841 census
One at Portree in 1841 is 25 years old reference number in the scottish 1841 census is 114/00 010/00 07.
You can access this at http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
regards
Robyn
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Thanks Robyn,
I saw that Effy there, but the other members in the household were Malcolm, Mary, Kenneth, Malcolm, Effy, Norman & un-named Gillies.
So I dont think thats the right "Gillies".... all the names I need are in all the wrong families .... its hard work this genealogy! ;D