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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: TunjiLees on Sunday 09 March 08 20:23 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I would greatly appreciate if people could offer their help in trying to find the parents of my ancestor Thomas Lawson of Angus.
To me the parents' names look like 'David Lawson' and 'Euphemia ???'. However the only match for such a couple is with a Euphen Low in Fife, and according to censuses Thomas is born in Kirriemuir, Angus, so I doubt it is them.
I have attached Thomas' death certificate in the hope that someone might make more sense of it than I have.
Thanks and regards,
-Tunji
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Hi Tunji
I think the mother's name is certainly Euphemia and surname looks like LINN. There is a couple, David and Euphemia (LINN) having children in Angus. I can't see Thomas birth but at least 7 children are showing to them in the right period to be siblings to your Thomas in Angus.
Regards.
Monica
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Hi there
I'd suggest the mother's maiden name may be LINN and not LOW. Not sure this helps but here is a family that seems to look very likely in 1841
Civil Parish: Lintrathen
County: Angus
Address: New Town
Barbara Lawson age 5
David Lawson age 50
David Lawson age 11
Euphemia Lawson age 45
Isabella Lawson age 15
John Lawson age 20
Peter Lawson age 9
William Lawson age 40
Isabella Linn age 75
However.....I don't see a birth of a Thomas to this couple!!!!
There is a huge IGI gap where he would fit in nicely though....
ALEXR. LAWSON Christening: 09 DEC 1811 Kirriemuir, Angus, Scotland
JAMES LAWSON Christening: 05 DEC 1813 Kirriemuir, Angus, Scotland
WILLIAM LAWSON Christening: 15 OCT 1815 Kirriemuir, Angus, Scotland
JOHN LAWSON Christening: 09 JAN 1820 Kirriemuir, Angus, Scotland
ISOBEL LAWSON Christening: 08 MAY 1826 Tannadice, Angus, Scotland
DAVID LAWSON Christening: 05 OCT 1829 Tannadice, Angus, Scotland
PETER LAWSON Christening: 26 MAR 1832 Tannadice, Angus, Scotland
Best wishes
Jean
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I think you and I Jean are thinking along the same lines :) Hopefully, matching your 1841 census entry for the family, there is also this entry in Lintrathen Angus, everyone showing as born in the county and agr. labs.:
Thomas Lawson 20, agr. lab
James Burnet 20
William Douglas 20
William Ballentyne 15
Address: Bothy Campsie, Lintrathen
Monica
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Hi Monica
Yup....most definitely.....great minds and all that... ;D!!
Best wishes
Jean
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Great ;D thank-you both!
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Can anyone find the family (David/Euphemia) in 51/61 ?
Thanks.
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Hi Tunji
I think this might be them in 1851. I have a question mark down to Euphemia showing as Elspet (quite a different name, not one for variants like this):
David Lawson 62, farm servant, b. Lintrathen
Elspet Lawson 57, b. Kingoldrum, Forfarshire
Isabel Lawson 24, b. , b. Tannadice, Forfarshire
Peter Lawson 19, farm servant, b. Tannadice, Forfarshire
William Edward 4, grandson, b. Lintrathen
Helen Low 8 Mo, grandaughter, b. Lintrathen
Address: Newton, Lintrathen
I'll see if I can find them in 1861 and post.
Monica
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The closest I can see in 1861 which seems to be the same family from 1851:
David Lawson 73, agr. lab., b. Lintrathen
Isabella Lawson 38, dom. serv., b. Lintrathen
Isabella Lawson 4, granddaughter, b. Lintrathen
Jane Lawson 1, granddaughter, b. Lintrathen
Margaret Lawson 1, granddaughter, b. Lintrathen
Helen Low 10, granddaughter, b. Lintrathen
Address: Eastertown Cothouse, Lintrathen
Monica
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This appears to be the death indexing for the David above....he's a widower of a Euphemia Laing......so yet another interpretation!
1870 LAWSON DAVID M 81 LINTRATHEN /ANGUS 302/00 0007
Best wishes
Jean
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That makes me feel more confident as I wasn't too sure it was the right family. The grandson William Edward shows on IGI as son to David Edward and Catherine Lawson (haven't got that name connected to Thomas's family as yet). Helen Low also in 1851 is showing as daughter of John Low and Isabella Lawson who shows in the household in 1851/61. The other g/children in 1861 look to Isabella's children too.
Monica
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Hopefully this will be the mother's death entry:
1860 LAWSON EUPHEMIA MILLAR LINN F 69 LINTRATHEN /ANGUS 302/00 0012
Going by the names above, this is probably her christening entry:
EUPHANS LIN Christening: 08 AUG 1793 Kingoldrum, Angus, Scotland
Parents: JAMES LIN and ISOBEL MILLER (...and the Isabella Linn that Jean found in the household in 1841 ;))
Monica :)
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Going by the age and birth parish of David Lawson, the following is his family:
JAMES LAWSON - AGNES CRICHTON
= 13 JUN 1785 Lintrathen, Angus, Scotland
WILLIAM LAWSON - Christening: 21 MAR 1786 Lintrathen, Angus, Scotland
DAVID LAWSON - Christening: 05 APR 1788 Lintrathen, Angus, Scotland
ALEXANDER LAWSON - Christening: 12 MAR 1792 Lintrathen, Angus, Scotland
No marriage for James Linn sadly.
I've gone back several generations in a few days on this line!! Many thanks to Monica and Jean!! ;D
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in 1841
Civil Parish: Lintrathen
County: Angus
Address: New Town
Barbara Lawson age 5
David Lawson age 50
David Lawson age 11
Euphemia Lawson age 45
Isabella Lawson age 15
John Lawson age 20
Peter Lawson age 9
William Lawson age 40
Isabella Linn age 75
In the end was this family connected?
I'm trying to find the parents of William Lawson and his sister Margaret Hay nee Lawson. In the 1871 census they are living at Northmuir, Kirriemuir and both are annuitants. William's birthplace is recorded as Linthrathen and Margaret's is recorded as Kirriemuir (she stated that fairly consisently from census to census).
Margaret and William both died at Northmuir in 1872, and his occupation is given as retired tailor. Margaret's son-in-law, James Thornton, was the informant recorded for both of them and states that their father was John Lawson, a crofter, but their mother's name is unknown. Margaret was born in approx 1796 and William in approx 1801.
I think the William who died in 1872 is likely to be the same William Lawson in this 1841 census, as his occupation is a tailor.
Edit to add as I think out loud - I see on FamilySearch there are several children baptised in Kirriemuir and Linthrathen whose parents are Robert Lawson and May Ogilvie. They include a Margaret who was baptised in Kirriemuir on 28 Apr 1795 and a William in Linthrathen on 1 Mar 1800. Also a David in Kirriemuir on 18 June 1793.
I'm thinking our Margaret's father wasn't John but was Robert. One Margaret's daughters was named May/Marjory.
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Hi Hurworth
There are a number of family trees on a/try including this one http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/17811154/person/28030569084/facts It gives David Lawson's death as being on 15 June 1870, parents a James Lawson and Agnes Crichton. No original image included, so would need to be verified...
Monica :)
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Thank you Monica.
There's another David Lawson who died at Southmuir, Kirriemuir in 1878 aged 85 years (but whose age was out by a couple of years in the census) . I now have his death record (27 credits used today...it might be cheaper to take up drinking!). His son is the informant and states his parents are Robert Lawson, linen weaver and Marjorie Lawson.
So the David Lawson at Lintrathen can't be their brother, but seems related in some way.
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Dear Hurworth,
I remember putting quite a lot of research into this family, cross-checking all the Lintrathen and Kirriemuir Lawsons at the Scotlandspeople centre. Unfortunately I don't have my research here with me at the moment, but off the top of my head, I believe I concluded that the following 4 are brothers:
-James Lawson m. Agnes Crichton
-Robert Lawson m. Marjory "May" Ogilvy
-John Lawson m. Isobel Gruar/Grewer
-Thomas Lawson m. Jean Smart
They all had children in the area around the 1790s
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Hi TunjiLees :)
That would be a perfect connection for these lines. So William, the tailor, was staying with cousin Robert, the farmer, in 1841?
Monica
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Thank you very much TunjiLees. No wonder there's so many Lawsons in the area!
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Hi TunjiLees :)
That would be a perfect connection for these lines. So William, the tailor, was staying with cousin Robert, the farmer, in 1841?
Monica
Yes, except the cousin's name is David.
Seems like the families were living quite close. I just checked the 1841 census and the household of the above David Lawson (son of James Lawson) and his cousin William is two households before that of William's brother, also called David Lawson (son of Robert Lawson) and his family . This is the one who died 1878.
A further two households on there's a Margaret Lawson (Margaret Low, wife of John Lawson) as head of the household with her children. Husband is not there.
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Yes, except the cousin's name is David.
For sure....sorry ;D
Monica
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I'm trying to find the parents of William Lawson and his sister Margaret Hay nee Lawson. In the 1871 census they are living at Northmuir, Kirriemuir and both are annuitants. William's birthplace is recorded as Linthrathen and Margaret's is recorded as Kirriemuir (she stated that fairly consisently from census to census).
Margaret and William both died at Northmuir in 1872, and his occupation is given as retired tailor. Margaret's son-in-law, James Thornton, was the informant recorded for both of them and states that their father was John Lawson, a crofter, but their mother's name is unknown. Margaret was born in approx 1796 and William in approx 1801.
I think the William who died in 1872 is likely to be the same William Lawson in this 1841 census, as his occupation is a tailor.
Edit to add as I think out loud - I see on FamilySearch there are several children baptised in Kirriemuir and Linthrathen whose parents are Robert Lawson and May Ogilvie. They include a Margaret who was baptised in Kirriemuir on 28 Apr 1795 and a William in Linthrathen on 1 Mar 1800. Also a David in Kirriemuir on 18 June 1793.
I'm thinking our Margaret's father wasn't John but was Robert. One Margaret's daughters was named May/Marjory.
Good news. The Alyth parish record of Margaret Lawson's marriage to John Hay in 1820 says she is the daughter of Robert Lawson in Stronreach, Parish of Lintrathen.
Does any of Lintrathen still exist, or was it submerged when the dam was built to make the loch/reservoir?
I've also found the death of Margaret Lawson's sister Barbara Lawson who died in November 1867 in Forfar. She was the widow of David Strachan, flesher.
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Does any of Lintrathen still exist, or was it submerged when the dam was built to make the loch/reservoir?
Go to http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=13&lat=56.7050&lon=-3.1716&layers=5&b=1 and you will see a map of the parish in the middle of the 19th century. In the menu box on the left there is a round blue button. Slide the button to the left and you will see the extent of the lochs - both the Loch of Lintrathen itself, and also Blackwater Reservoir, which is also in the parish of Lintrathen.
You can move the map around, and zoom in and out.
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I use NLS maps quite a bit, but was not familiar with the overlay transparency button. I'm sure that will come in very useful - thank you Forfarian. :)
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Thank you Forfarian - what an interesting site. It looks like most of the village was on higher ground. Perhaps the area that was flooded was marshy anyway.
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Dear TunjiLees, Regarding 11 June 2016 post,
Thank you for all your work on the Lawsons in this area in the 1700 & 1800s. Could you tell me what information & sources you have found for Alexander Lawson (1735-1831) & wife, father of John Lawson who married Isobel Grewar. Alexander is mentioned in his grandson Alexander Lawson's (1794-1868) will as being the original purchaser of some property in Kirriemuir still at that time in the family. I would be interested in any information on Alexander Lawson's (1735-1831) children. I have not found a birth or death for son John Lawson born ~ 1771, died >= 1839.
Regards from western Canada