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Title: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: uk2003 on Tuesday 11 March 08 13:16 GMT (UK)
Ya right Annie  :D ;) ;D

Part 1 can be found here

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,286323.0.html First Page

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,286323.270.html Last Page

Ken
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Tuesday 11 March 08 19:08 GMT (UK)


Well Mr Ken .... it doesn't take much to make me happy !!  ;D ..... but I am so excited !!

I've spent some time at the Western History library today and I've found out a lot !! .....

I have to go back tomorrow ... when I can spend a bit more time ... ( I think I'd better pack a lunch !!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ) but just for starters to whet your appetite here's a picture and I'll try and write the other stuff up tonight !!


Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Tuesday 11 March 08 21:28 GMT (UK)

I've found out that the reason I couldn't find his grave at Mount Olivet is because - the grave  was reopened - the casket removed and reburied in another cemetery in 1909 !! ( this was done at the insistence of a daughter for religious reasons ) .............

( Also - the picture is as it was in the original newspaper - a bit dark I'm afraid ! )

"Taps" the "lights out" of the soldier was sounded this morning over the grave of Alexander Sutherland the bugler of the Light Brigade who gave the signal for the immortal charge at the Battle of Balaklava. With military honours the remains of the venerable soldier and musician was laid to rest in Mount Olivet cemetery

Funeral services were held at the church of the Sacred Heart at 10.30am The procession from the church to the cemetery was an imposing sight . In the lead was a band and behind the hearse followed a riderless horse fully equipped with military saddle and bridle
The body was guarded by a detachment of militia in full uniform
At the cemetery after the final words had been spoken there was a volley of musketry and "taps" was sounded as the earth fell upon the casket
The bugle which Mr Alexander carried in the Crimean was buried with him. The casket was draped in American flags and was covered with a profusion of flowers
Old friends of the musician who had known him since the early days of Denver acted as pall bearers

http://www.archden.org/component/option,com_parish/taskpar,showparish/p,133/Itemid,757/
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: forester on Tuesday 11 March 08 23:22 GMT (UK)
It's looking a bit empty here Annie.  ;D ;D ;D

I've been a bit distracted by English geography the last couple of days.  :D

A rather graphic account of the first to fall: Captain Louis Nolan, 15th Hussars
Originally from Cecil Woodham-Smith in "The Reason Why" and para-phrased by Edward J Dodson in "The Light Brigade, England's Charge Borne on Ireland's Back"
http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/dodson_england_and_ireland_and_crimean_war.html

"Before the Light Brigade had advanced fifty yards......the Russian guns crashed out and great clouds of smoke rose at the end of the valley..... The advance was proceeding at a steady trot when suddenly Nolan....urged on his horse and began to gallop diagonally across the front......he crossed in front of Lord Cardigan and, turning in his saddle, shouted and waved his sword as if he would address the Brigade, but the guns were firing with great crashes and not a word could be heard. At that moment a Russian shell burst on the right of Lord Cardigan and a fragment tore it's way into Nolan's breast, exposing his heart. The sword fell from his hand, but his arm was still erect and his body remained rigid in the saddle. His horse wheeled and began to gallop back through the advancing Brigade and then from the body there burst a strange and appalling cry, a shriek so unearthly as to freeze the blood of all who heard him. The terrified horse carried the body, still shrieking, through the 4th Light Dragoons and then at last Nolan fell from the saddle dead."


The obituary of Captain Lewis (sic) Edward Nolan, from the London Illustrated News, 25th November 1854, oblivious at the time of the controversy which would surround him:

http://www.silverwhistle.co.uk/crimea/obituary.html


Phil :)
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Tuesday 11 March 08 23:46 GMT (UK)


Apparently Nolan had a terrible death ..... ! :-\

OK here's something else I got today !! ... not sure about my scanning though !!  ::)


Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Tuesday 11 March 08 23:47 GMT (UK)


Apparently Nolan had a terrible death ..... ! :-\

OK here's something else I got today !! ... not sure about my scanning though !!  ::)





Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 12 March 08 00:02 GMT (UK)


A feature story in the Denver Post on Nov 8th 1904 told of Mr Sutherlands impending death and reviewed the life of "the bugler of the Light Brigade "

At the close of the Crimean War - he came to America with British troops and received his discharge from the army at Quebec ( isn't that Canada ?? ) He went first to New York and in 1869 (? I've seen 1861 too !) came to Denver

He was always devoted to his music and as Colorado grew in population he spent his time principally in giving musical instruction - he was also interested in mining and was successful.

The aged musician is widely known - not only in Denver where he has made his home for almost half a century - but in England. ..........
There he is remembered as a young man and King Edward himself - recently sent a letter informing Mr Sutherland - that a handsome "silver bugle"had been dispatched to him - as a mark of regard because he had played at the Coronation of his mother Queen Victoria .........

Interesting !
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 12 March 08 00:29 GMT (UK)


In a published interview uncovered by Edgar C McMechen curator of the Colorado State Museum ... Sutherland was quoted as saying ...

" I sounded the charge but I never blew the retreat ! We were to storm a battery at the far end of the valley - nothing happened until we had covered one half the distance ... then the Russian artillery opened up and the air was filled with arms legs and fragments of men and horses .....
Lord Cardigan signaled for me to sound the retreat - twice I lifted the bugle to my lips and tried to give the signal that would have brought in the pitiful remnants of that brave band - but I was so horrified that I couldn't make a sound .... finally Lord Cardigan shouted to his men " Retreat - save yourselves " (Only 142 survived ... Sutherland escaped without injury (?)

No one who was not in the valley of death will ever know how much horror can be packed into 20 minutes ......
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 12 March 08 00:39 GMT (UK)


Historical Society documents showed that Sutherland was the bugler in the "First Volunteers " in 1862 eight years after the scrape with death in the Crimean war

The Denver Times of March 15th 1882 identified Sutherland as the bugler and related that he had been given an almost trackless piece of land in 1863 at 15th and California Streets and had refused $20,000 for it !

His Great Granddaughter recalled family discussions - which included a report that Sutherland got drunk one day and gave away the valuable property .... The Denver Dry Goods Co now stands on the tract !!

( * actually at this time it is the prime real estate downtown ...... !! )
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 12 March 08 00:47 GMT (UK)

Now for something completely different .... I'll save the rest of Sutherland for tomorrow !!  ;D

Light Brigade Scandal.

The extraordinary tale of a wayward Irish soldier who survived the Charge of the Light Brigade only to be flogged when he returned to camp has emerged in the sale of his Crimean War decorations.
Private Christopher Fox, who was born in the Dublin parish of St Michael's joined the 4th Light Dragoons in 1847 at the age of 19, but he soon found himself in trouble because of his hot-headedness.
His name was in the defaulter's book 43 times he was court-martialled four times and imprisoned twice.
However in 1854 Fox sailed to the Crimea - where he won his three clasps for the battles of Alma, Balaklava and Sebastopol. They were expected to fetch up to pounds 5,000 at Spink auctioneers in London
On October 25 1854, Fox took part in the Charge of the Light Brigade.
But a fellow soldier Pte James Herbert, later revealed how - far from being commended Fox was flogged 25 times.
Herbert told a journalist: "There was a man of our regiment named Fox. When the order to advance was given, he was on duty at the camp. He rushed to his horse - rode in the charge and came safely back. He was court martialled for leaving his post and sentenced to receive 50 lashes ...... Fox was made an example of by being given 25 strokes with the cat-o'- nine-tails.
At the time -  one man never gave more than 25 lashes -  without someone else being left to wield the whip for the rest.
Fox's Colonel let him off the rest - but the plucky private said: "I don't want to be beholden to you. I'll take the other 25 " .......... The balance was never given !

Despite his dislike of discipline, Fox remained in the army another 18 years, winning four good conduct badges.

* E.J. Boys Archive - Fox        Pte   Christopher   1314   4th LD
                                Herbert   Pte   James   1460   4th LD


Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 12 March 08 02:45 GMT (UK)


Here's his Civil War information ! 

Alexander Sutherland
Regiment Name - 1 Colorado Cavalry.
Side - Union
Company-  L
Soldier's Rank - In Bugler
Soldier's Rank - Out Bugler
Film Number - M534 roll 3

Union Colorado Territory Volunteers
1st Regiment Colorado Cavalry

Regiment organized from 1st Colorado Infantry November 1, 1862. Attached to District of Colorado, District of the Upper Arkansas and District of the Plains till November, 1865, operating against Indians and protecting stage routes.
Stationed by detachments at Denver, Camps Collins, Curtis, Fillmore, Robbins, Weld and Canon City and at Forts Lyon and Garland.

Service - Skirmish at Grand Pass, Fort Halleck, Idaho, July 7, 1863 (Detachment). Expedition from Denver to Republican River, Kansas, April 8-23, 1864 (Co. "D"). Skirmish near Fremont Orchard, Colo, April 12 (Cos. "C" and "H"). Expedition from Camp Sanborn to Beaver Creek, Kansas, April 14-18 (Cos. ("C" and "H"). Skirmish at Big Bushes, Smoky Hills, April 16 (Cos. "C" and "H"). Skirmish at Cedar Bluff, Colo. May 3 (Co. "C"). Scout from American Ranch to Cedar Bluff May 9-10. Scout from Fort Sumner August 3-November 4 (Cos. "A," "B" and "G"). Scout from Fort Union, N. Mex., August 4-September 5. Affair near Fort Lyon, Colo. August 7. Skirmish near Sand Creek August 11 (Cos. "D," "G," "K" and "L"). Scout on Fort Union Road, near Fort Garland, August 12-16 (Detachment). Skirmish, Atkins' Ranch, August 22. Skirmish, Walnut Creek, Kansas, September 25 (Cos. "L" and "M"). Skirmish, Fort Lyon, October 9. Affairs near Fort Lyon November 6-16. Pawnee Forks November 25 (1 Co.). Engagement with Indian at Sand Creek, Colo., November 29 (Cos. "C," "D," "E," "G," "H"and "K"). Company "B" at Fort Zarah, Kansas, August to October, 1864, then at Fort Garland. Skirmishes at Valley Station and Julesburg, Colo., January 7, 1865. Operations on Overland Stage Route between Denver and Julesburg January 14-25, 1865 (Co. "C"). Skirmish, Valley Station, Colo., January 14 (Co. "C"). Skirmish, Godfrey's Ranch, January 14 (Detachment). Skirmishes at Morrison's or American Ranch and Wisconsin Ranch January 15. Point of Rocks or Nine- Mile Ridge, near Fort Larned, January 20. Gittrell's Ranch January 25. Moore's Ranch January 26. Lillian Springs Ranch January 27. Near Valley Station January 28 (Co. "C"). Operations against Indians near Fort Collins, Colo., June 4-10 (Co. "D"). Expedition from Denver to Fort Halleck, Dakota, June 17-19 (Co."D"). Operations about Rock Creek Station, Seven-Mile Creek, Dakota, June 24-30 (Cos. "A" and "D").
Mustered out at Leavenworth, Kansas, November 18 1865.

Blimey !! .... he was involved in The Sand Creek Massacre ..............  :o :o :o no ... he wasn't !! he was in Co "L" and was in the skirmish in August .... but he wasn't there in November .... phew !!  my heart was in my mouth there for a minute  !!

Another one of those days that will go down in infamy !  :-\ Black Kettle wanted peace with honour !

http://www.lastoftheindependents.com/sandcreek.htm

"All we ask is that we have peace with the whites. We want to hold you by the hand. You are our father. We have been travelling through a cloud. The sky has been dark ever since the war began. These braves who are with me are willing to do what I say. We want to take good tidings home to our people, that they may sleep in peace. I want you to give all these chiefs of the soldiers here to understand that we are for peace, and that we have made peace, that we may not be mistaken by them for enemies. I have not come here with a little wolf bark, but have come to talk plain with you."

Motavato (Black Kettle) speaking to Gov. Evans, Col. Chivington, Maj. Wynkoop & others
in Denver, autumn, 1864


Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 12 March 08 04:24 GMT (UK)


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9B02E4DB143FE533A25751C0A9679D94659FD7CF

George Cathcart British Army Lieutenant General d. 1854
 
During the Crimean War, his reluctance to bring up his infantry division at the Battle of Balaklava was a major factor in bringing about the disaster of the "Charge of the Light Brigade". He was killed 11 days later at the Battle of Inkerman. One of the hills in the 'Valley of Death' was named Cathcart Hill after him and was the site of the major British war cemetery. However this cemetery was extensively destroyed during World War II. In recent time, some remains, including those of General Cathcart, have been gathered into a memorial enclosure.
 
Cathcart Hill Sebastopol (or Sevastopol) Crimean Republic Ukraine

http://www.rootschat.com/links/02ym/


French Cemetery Crimean War. This marker is all that is left to mark the site of the French cemetery where their dead were buried after the Crimean War of the 1850s.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=6198
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 12 March 08 04:29 GMT (UK)



There were women helping the wounded on the Russian side too. The most famous of these was Dasha Alexandrova who ran a tavern in Sevastopol. When the allied troops were disembarking at Balaklava, she cut off her hair, dressed in mens' clothing, loaded a horse with clean rags and bottles of wine and vinegar for cleaning injuries and set off for the front line. Other women joined her and they worked throughout the siege, often in very dangerous conditions, assisting wartime surgeon Nokolai Pirogov. Dasha was regarded as a heroine by the soldiers she helped, and became known as Dasha Sevastopolska.

Nikolay Ivanovich Pirogov

was a prominent Russian scientist doctor pedagogue public figure, and corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Sciences (1847). He is considered to be the founder of field surgery, and was one of the first surgeons in Europe to use ether as an anaesthetic.
He worked as an army surgeon in the Crimean War From his works in the Crimea, he is considered to be the father of field surgery. He followed work by Louis Seutin in introducing plaster casts for setting broken bones, and developed a new osteoplastic method for amputation of the foot, known as the "Pirogov amputation". He was also the first to use anethesis in the field, particularly during the siege of Sevastopol, and he introduced a system of triage into five categories. He encouraged female volunteers as an organised corps of nurses, the Khrestovozvizhenska community of nurses established by Grand Duchess Yelena Pavlovna, echoing the efforts made by Florence Nightingale for the British.
He last appeared in public on 24 May 1881, and died later that year at Vishnya in Ukraine

Nikolai Ivanovich Pirogov (1810 - 81)
Pirogov is the most famous figure in the history of Russian medicine.
Pirogov's first famous contribution to medicine was as professor of the Medico-Surgical academy of St. Petersburg. Pirogov paved the way in Russia for the scientific use of anesthesia.
At that time anesthesia was unknown for surgery and as a result even minor operations caused patients immeasurable suffering, and even death. Then in 1840 ether was first used in an operation carried out in Boston, USA. Pirogov made many experiments with animals and tested the effect of the ether on himself and on his associates before using it as an anaesthetic in the clinic. It was only after he was convinced that ether anesthesia was absolutely harmless that he began to use it on a wide scale in his operations. Later Pirogov tested and began using another anaesthetic - chloroform. Pirogov was the first surgeon to make a wide of anesthesia in field hospitals. (Caucasus in 1847)
Even before the discovery made by Louis Paster, Pirogov had correctly defined the cause of inflammation and pus formation after an operation. To prevent wound infection Pirogov used substances which are still in use today by surgeons.
Pirogov was the first doctor in Russia to use nurses to care for sick and wounded in the field.
This outstanding surgeon and scientist was also a prominent public figure. He devoted much of his time to the training and education. His ideals and his active methods of teaching were widely appreciated and adopted in Russia and other countries and profoundly influenced the development of the system of medical public education.
While living in Odessa, Pigorov resided at Deribasovskaya 31

http://www.2odessa.com/wiki/index.php?title=Pirogovskaya_Street_%26_Dr._Pirogov_Monument


Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 12 March 08 05:00 GMT (UK)


Cornet Grey Neville - b. 15 October 1830 d. 11 November 1854

5th Dragoons GUARDS - wounded at Balaklava, 25th October 1854 Brother of Henry Neville (Grenadier Guards) who was killed at Inkermann, 5th November 1854. Buried at Scutari -
"Sacred to the memory of Honourable Grey Neville 5th Dragoon Guards. Youngest son of Lord Braybrooke. Died at Scutari 11th November 1854 of wounds received from wounds received in action Aged 24 years. Surviving by only six days his brother the Honourable Henry Neville Grenadier Guards Killed at Inkerman 5th November 1854. To the dear memory of those so loved and early lost their sorrowing Family inscribe this stone."

Hon. Grey Neville was born on 15 October 1830. He was the son of Richard Griffin, 3rd Lord Braybrooke, Baron of Braybrooke and Lady Jane Cornwallis.

Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 12 March 08 05:07 GMT (UK)


Captain George Lockwood - killed at Balaklava - 25th October 1854
Memorial at St. Marys Church, Lambourne, Essex - "To the memory of George Lockwood Captain 8th Hussars, second son of William Joseph Lockwood of Dews Hall. Born June 16th 1818. He fell October 25th 1854 in the memorable cavalry charge of Balaclava while acting as ADC to Major general the Earl of Cardigan. Every effort to recover his remains having been proved ineffectual this monument is erected by his mother as a tribute of love to an affectionate and dutiful son."

* E.J. Boys Archive -  Lockwood   Cpt   George      8th H
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: tonyrodaway on Wednesday 12 March 08 07:10 GMT (UK)
great work  annie,    on 3000 hits  run this one up 3000 and you can start part 3 ;D ;D ;D tony
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: Wendi on Wednesday 12 March 08 19:49 GMT (UK)
Annie, smaller world than we thought !!!  you have to go visit  :D

Wendi x
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 13 March 08 02:49 GMT (UK)



Captain J.A. Oldham - killed at Balaklava - 25th October 1854

Three officers killed - Captains Oldham and Goad and Cornet Montgomery
From Sir Fitzroy Donald Maclean some interesting particulars regarding Captain Oldham's death have been obtained and are here given - Captain Oldham at the time of the Balaclava charge was second captain in the regiment. How he came to lead the regiment in the charge is as follows .........
Colonel C. E. Doherty was sick - Major Ormsby Gore was in Bulgaria or had been invalided home - and Captain Holden the senior captain was in command of the depot at home.

On the day of the battle - Captain Oldham rode his second charger - a white mare his first charger being unfit for work. This white mare was notoriously a brute and on the occasion of the charge bolted - luckily straight at the Russian guns. Captain Oldham fell, and was last seen wounded and bleeding with his sword in one hand and his pistol in the other. As a matter of fact he was the first man to get among the guns. His dead body was never found, and his grave is therefore unknown.
Shortly after the battle a Russian officer came in under a flag of truce to arrange about the burial of the dead. In the presence of Sir Fitzroy Maclean, who was standing close by, he asked, "Who was the officer who rode a white horse and led the charge of Balaclava?" He was told that the officer was Captain Oldham, and at once replied, "a brave man." It may be mentioned that the brother of Captain Oldham fell in New Zealand in an attack on one of the "pahns " - he was wounded but persisted in pressing on in spite of all suggestions that his wound should be attended to -  a few minutes later a second shot killed him.

"Oldham I saw killed by a shell which burst under his horse and knocked over two or three others. It blew his mare's hind-legs off -  and he jumped up himself not hit when next moment he threw up his hands and fell dead on his face poor fellow "

Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 13 March 08 03:54 GMT (UK)

I'm not quite sure about this one ... it's the same but different !!  :-\

Lieutenant Henry Arthur Sparke - killed at Balaklava - 25th October 1854
Son of Revd. J.H. Sparke, canon of Ely.

Greater love hath no man than this,
that a man lay down his life for his friends

Ely Cathedral: On stained glass window (south east):
Ashley SPARKE

In mem. Hen. Ashley SPARKE qui ___idi[?] in Armis Balaclava October XXV, MDCCCLIV (1854)

He was a grandson of Bowyer Edward Sparke Bishop of Ely, 1812-36 (?)
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 13 March 08 05:35 GMT (UK)

Cornet John Yates - Yates was made adjutant one month before Balaklava and is listed as being at the Charge but he did not take part in the Charge due to temporary illness - he retired as a Captain on half pay in 1859 and died in July 1862

http://www.britishempire.co.uk/forces/armyunits/britishcavalry/11thhussarsyates.htm

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Captain J. Yates, 11th Hussars  late 17th Lancers Three: Crimea War Medal, 1854, 4 clasps, Alma, Balaklava, Inkermann, Sebastopol (Lt. & Adjut. I. [sic] Yates, 11th Husrs.), engraved naming in upright sans-serif capitals, Turkish Crimea Medal, Sardinian issue (unnamed as issued), Sardinia, Al Valore Militare, 1855-56 issue, in silver (rev. typically engraved Lieutt. and Adjutant John Yates, 11th Husss.), all with silver brooch top suspension buckles, mounted in a framed and glazed display case (together with a copy of a photograph of Yates in the Crimea next to his charger) (3) the first with minor repairs to clasps carriage, the second and third with decorative replacement suspension bars, contact marks, slight edge bruising and cleaned, about very fine Al Valore Militare (only two awarded to the 11th Hussars for the Crimea): ''was present in the Crimea from the commencement until August 1855; was present at the Alma, Balaclava, and Inkermann and behaved gallantly. Acted as Brigade-Major to Major-General the Earl of Cardigan, K.C.B., at Balaclava and for a fortnight previously.'' Captain John Yates was born in 1819 and in 1837 enlisted in 17th Lancers then under the energetic command of George, Lord Bingham, the future 3rd Earl of Lucan and commander of the Cavalry Division in the Crimea. He became Quartermaster-Sergeant of the 17th on 6 July, 1852, and serving in that capacity landed with the Light Brigade at Kalamita Bay in mid-September 1854 prior to participating in the cavalry affair on the Bulganek on the 19th. Three days later he transferred to the 11th Hussars. Yates, or 'Joey' as he was nicknamed, was duly commissioned Cornet on 22 September, 1854, and immediately assumed the then ranker officer's duty of Adjutant. 'Certain writers' have stated that Yates rode in the Charge, but this now appears to have been a misapprehension. On or about 10 October, he was appointed to take over as Brigade Major of the Light Brigade in the absence of Major Mayow, 4th Light Dragoons, and was apparently still serving in that appointment on the morning of 25 October, the day of the Battle of Balaklava. But at the last moment before the Charge of the Light Brigade, Mayow returned from his sick bed to resume his duties with the Brigade Staff in the field. As Adjutant, Yates alone of the several junior officers belonging to the 11th's regimental headquarters (Quartermaster, Paymaster, Assistant Surgeon, etc.) would have been expected to go into action with the regiment, occupying the customary Adjutant's place on the extreme right of the line. In the event of the Charge, however, this post was occupied by the Assistant Surgeon, Henry Wilkin, 'a man whose vocation was surely soldiering rather than medicine', for he was subsequently granted a combatant commission and was later recommended for a V.C. In the immediate aftermath of the Charge Yates was one of the first to meet Lord Cardigan on his return from the 'Valley of Death', joining him at about the time he made his famously ambiguous remark to General Cathcart: ''I have lost my Brigade''. Yates, then, hanging back at the respectful distance of a pace or two, trotted away with Cardigan to the northern edge of the Causeway where they met other returning survivors. Yates became Lieutenant on 20 December, 1855, and Captain on 18 October, 1859, when he was placed on Half Pay. A week later he was appointed Adjutant of the Cavalry Depot at Canterbury, which post he retained until a month before his death on 15 August 1862


http://www.artfact.com/catalog/viewLot.cfm?lotCode=YZ4cqz8x

"Marriage at the Old Church Edgbaston Birmingham Capt. John Yates Adjutant Cavalry Depot Canterbury to Frances Margaret only dau. of George Yates, esq. of Edgbaston. Feb 10 1860."
Gentlemen's Magazine 1860

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after a great many wounded and disabled men had already passed it going to the rear, Lord Cardigan came riding by at a "quiet pace" close under the crest. He had passed the troop on his left for several horse-lengths, when he came back and halted within a yard or two of the left-hand gun, the only one fairly on the crest. He was not alone, but attended by Cornet Yates of his own old regiment the 11th Hussars, a recently commissioned ranker. "Lord Cardigan was in the full dress _pelisse_ (buttoned) of the 11th Hussars, and he rode a chestnut horse very distinctly marked and of grand appearance. The horse seemed to have had enough of it, and his lordship appeared to have been knocked about but was cool and collected


Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 13 March 08 05:53 GMT (UK)


Trumpet Major William Smith lived in Knutsford after his years of military service which included Afghan Wars and the Crimea. He was a trumpeter in the Charge of the Light Brigade. Each troop would have had their own trumpeter so he was not unique. There are even doubts that the order to charge was ever given!
He and his wife lived on Stanley Road (in his day called Love Lane) where the house still has a plaque commemorating him. The plaque outside Smith's home, records that he sounded the charge at Balaclava, but, as with everything concerning that event, controversy has raged. Various claimants were put forward, by themselves or others, but it is usually accepted that no official charge was sounded, all was chaos, each troop had a trumpeter and Smith was certainly there with his trumpet.Until the 1930's the mouthpiece of this was still to be seen in Knutsford. A letter from T. Edwards of 10 Heathfield Square read "I may also add that I have in my possession a mouth-piece given to my father by Trumpet-Major Smith who told him it was the same on that the Charge of the Light Brigade at Balaclava was blown". Another correspondent added, "I remember him well. Of good appearance and address he mostly appeared wearing a fancy waistcoat. He was respected by everyone".

THE BALACLAVA BANQUET
Twenty one years after The Charge of The Light Brigade a commemorative banquet was held at The Alexandra Palace in London. The invitation brought back memories for Smith and he replied :-
'I write to inform you that another old 'cherry picker'* intends putting in an appearance, your old chum, Bill Smith from the 3rd Light Dragons. You will remember the night you carried me to hospital with bowel complaint; if you forget it, I never shall.' The 'cherry pickers' was a nickname for the 11th Hussars to which Smith transferred when volunteering for the Crimean War. Perhaps he was cared for by Florence Nightingale during his spell in hospital , as army records show him 'sick at Scutari' for five weeks. Smith continued his letter to The Balaclava Commemoration Committee: ' But now, old boy, what about this banquet? I intend coming. paying all expenses or not. If I can get my expenses railway free, well and good, of not, that will not keep me from once more coming up to London to shake hands with my dear old brother comrades of the Six Hundred'.

The Guardian (16th October, 1875) commented:

'This gallant soldier, who served 15 years in India, had his horse shot from under him in The Valley of Death, and was hurt from the animal falling upon him, but still found time to bind up a wound in the thigh which one of his comrades had received and bought him safely out of the field'

Smith's 'portrait' does not appear in this 'gallery' from The London Illustrated News but that of Major-General Rodolph de Salis is there. He was the brother of Lady de Tabley of Tabley House, near Knutsford; preserved in the archives is the telegram sent to her by the War minister and also Salis' own sketch of the battle field .

Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 13 March 08 05:54 GMT (UK)
 
continued

William Smith's Military Service

Joined 3rd Light Dragoons, January 1839, aged 16. Served in: the Afghan War (1842) present at battles of Kabul, Ghaznar and Khandahar the First Sikh War (1845/6) the Second Sikh War (1848/9) the Crimean War, aswell as the battles of Alma, Inkerman, Balaclava and Sebastopol. He was awarded long service and good conduct medals making a total of six medals and eight clasps.

William Smith came to Knutsford after his discharge from the army having served 25 years and 16 days, which earned him a gratuity of £5! He came to serve with The Cheshire Yeomanry as Trumpet Major.

He became a noted figure in the town, much appreciated as an entertainer at concerts, penny readings and various functions -  The Guardian for February 11 1865 reported a Society for Readings, Music and Lectures has been formed at The Old Assembly Rooms, The Royal George'

The programme included a song by Mr W Smith, as did the dinner held to celebrate the laying of the foundation stone of the new Grand Stand on the Heath in March 1866. His star turn was the recitation of his own poem written after the charge of the Light Brigade. His martial bearing made him an impressive figure as crier to the Court of Quarter Sessions.

When a travelling artist arrived in Knutsford, Trumpet Major Smith presented an ideal subject to exhibit his skill with the brush. A commission for portraits by the local butchers ended with arguments and the Smith picture was raffled.

Sad end of a Balaclava Hero

Smith does not seem to have attended the 25th anniversary Balaclava dinner in October 1879 and a month later he died in sad circumstances. It seems he was adddicted to laudanum which he took as cough mixture, he also had drinking bouts - 'going on the spree' in his soldier's fashion. This combination led to depression. It is clear from the evidence at the coroner's enquiry that he deliberately took an overdose having first paid off his small debts about the town. As a much loved and admired town character he was buried in the graveyard of St John's The Baptist Church despite the suicide verdict. No gravestone marked the place.

In 1991 this omission was rectified when the War Graves Commission provided a gravestone which was paid for by The 11th Hussar regiment and funds collected by friends and military history enthusiasts.

http://www.virtual-knutsford.co.uk/frameset.php?main=/ask_joan/trumpetMajorSmith.htm



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Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 13 March 08 06:07 GMT (UK)


And this is for Mike !!  ;D ;D ;D ..... Russian Cavalry !


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Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 13 March 08 06:20 GMT (UK)
Annie, smaller world than we thought !!!  you have to go visit  :D

Wendi x

Here he is .... I'll go get him when I can find him !!  :)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,291902.new.html#new

Annie  :)
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Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 13 March 08 06:28 GMT (UK)


I didn't want to say anything yet .... but I can't stand it !!  ;D  ;D ;D ;D ;D

When I went to see Alex Sutherlands grave ... there was none ! .... just a patch of grass !  :'(
So I happened to mention it at the Western History .... AND .............. :o
there's a strong possibility that we may be able to get him a grave stone - as he fought in the Civil War AND that we may be able to get the Charge of the Light Brigade put on there too ....... AND by all accounts .... it should be free !!  ;D ;D

( I'm saying all the "maybes" because I don't want to jinx it ..... but it's that exciting !!  ;D ;D ;D )
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Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 13 March 08 21:48 GMT (UK)


Riding Master John Atkins Pickworth

Hart's List details his War Services  - "Riding Master Pickworth served the Eastern campaign of 1854-55 with the 8th Hussars,including the reconnaissance to Silistria, Battles of Alma, Balaklava, Inkerman, and the Tchernaya, affairs of Bulganak and M'Kenzie's Farm, siege and fall of Sebastopol (Medal with four Clasps, French War Medal, and Turkish Medal). Served in the Indian campaigns of 1858-59 and was present at the capture of Kotah, reoccupation of Chundaree, battle of Kota ke Serai, capture of Gwalior, and action of Boordah (Medal with Clasp)."

He enlisted in the 8th Hussars c. 1840, with the Regimental Number 840.
Sergeant Pickworth would embark to the Crimea in the H.T.'Medora' on April 27th 1854. He was to feature in the famous "Charge of the Light Brigade", one of the "Gallant Six Hundred" immortalized by Lord Tennyson.
He was promoted to Troop Sergeant-Major on the next day, October 26th, 1854.
The 8th Hussars would remain in the Crimea until April 1856, to come back home, before being sent to India in September 1857, at the outbreak of the Mutiny.
Pickworth was appointed Regimental Sergeant-Major on October 16th, 1857, and appointed Riding-Master on August 31st, 1858.
He came back from India with the 8th Hussars on board the St. Lawrence East Indiaman, leaving Calcutta on the 13th of January 1864, calling at the Cape of Good Hope on the 1st of March, at St. Helena on the 12th of March and reaching Portmouth on Tuesday afternoon, April 26th, 1864.
He was appointed to the Cavalry Depôt  on April 28th, 1875. He would retire on half-pay, with the honorary rank of Captain, on April 24th, 1879, being installed as a Military Knight of Windsor on the same day.
He was a Member of the 1879 Balaclava Commemoration Society.

His obituary was published in "The Times" on February 23d, 1901  -

"Captain John Atkins Pickworth, a Military Knight of Windsor, formerly of the 8th Hussars and Cavalry depot Staff, died early yesterday morning at his residence in the Lower Ward, Windsor Castle. Captain Pickworth was born on March 18, 1824, and was consequently nearly 77 years of age. He joined the Army on February 18, 1840, and served in the 8th Hussars for upwards of 35 years. He served in the Crimean campaign, including the Earl of Cardigan's reconnaissance of Silistria, and in the indian Mutiny, and was in 12 engagements - Bulganac, Alma, McKenzie's Farm, Balaclava, Inkerman, Tchernaya, and Sevastopol, in the Crimea, and the capture of Kotah, the reoccupation of Chundaree, the battle of Kota-keserai, the capture of Gwalior, and the action of Boordah, in India.
He rode in the famous charge of the Six Hundred at Balaclava, and was one of a squadron that charged into and through the enemy's camp at Kota-keserai, in India, in which several guns were captured.he received four medals and five clasps, was recommended for the Victoria Cross, and his name was twice mentioned in the records of his regiment for having "distinguished himself by his steadiness and coolness in keeping the men together and the squadron unbroken" - after the death of the officers in the Light Brigade charge at Balaklava - and during the Indian Mutiny, at Kota-keserai, when, owing to the death of his officer, he succeeded to the command of a troop covering the retreat, and was recommended for and awarded the commission vacant by the death of Lieutenant Reilly, who was killed in action. Captain Pickworth was selected by the Duke of Cambridge, then Commander-in-Chief, for the Cavalry Depot Staff on May 12, 1875, and was appointed by the late Queen Victoria a Military Knight of Windsor on April 24, 1879, after over 39 years of continuous service."

 http://www.hussards-photos.com/UK/UK_Canterbury_BIG.htm#WOODS


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Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 13 March 08 22:02 GMT (UK)


Troop-Sergeant-Major Patrick ( also known as Rourke ) Teevan

Born 9 Jul 1824 Belturbet Cavan Death 23 Jan 1902 (age 77) London

Was Captain and Quartermaster of the 11th Hussars. Led the left troop of the right squadron in the Charge of the Light Brigade at Balaclava. Was wounded in the right hand. Granted the Reward for Distinguished and Meritorious Services.
 
Quartermaster (from Quarter-Master-Sergeant) 11th Hussars, Nov 10, 1865 - Hon. Captain, March 8, 1876. Retired h.p. March 8, 1876.
Served with the 11th Hussars in Bulgaria and the Crimea during the Eastern Campaign 1854-55, including the affairs of the Bulganak and McKenzie's Farm, battles of the Alma, Balaclava (led the left troop f the right squadron in the Light Cavalry Charge and was wounded), Inerman, and Tchernaya, and siege and fall of Sebastonopol (Medal with 4 clasps; French and Turkish War Medals). Granted the Reward for "Distinguished and Meritorious Services" (R), Feb 6, 1882. Died in London, Jan 23, 1902
(Appendix III of Historical Records of the 11th Hussars)

Rourke clearly didn't forget his efforts in the Charge of the Light Brigade, for which the citation for his French War Medal stated that he "behaved gallantly". He was a member of the Balaclava Commemoration Society in 1879, and attended Officers' Balaclava Dinners in 1892 and 1893.
 
http://www.teevanfamilytree.com/fam498.html
 
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Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 14 March 08 02:56 GMT (UK)


Ivan Vasilevitch Turchininoff

The story begins in Russia where Ivan Vasilevitch Turchininoff, the son of a military officer, was born and entered cadet academy at St. Peterburg at age 14. After experiencing combat in the Tsar’s Imperial Army, he and his bride, Nadezhda Lvova, departed for America in 1856 in search of freedom. They anglicized their names to John Basil and Nadine Turchin and settled in Chicago. Turchin took a job with the Illinois Central Railroad.

TURCHIN, John Basil, or Ivan Vasilevitch Turchininoff, soldier, born in the province of Don, Russia, 30 January, 1822. He entered the artillery-school at St. Petersburg in 1836, was graduated in 1841, and entered the horse-artillery service as an ensign, he participated in the Hungarian campaign, in 1849 entered the military academy for officers of the general staff, was graduated in 1852, and was assigned to the staff of the Imperial guards. During the Crimean war he was promoted till he reached the grade of colonel, was senior staff-officer of the active corps, and prepared the plan that was adopted for the defence of the coast of Finland. He came to the United States in 1856, and was employed in the engineer department of the Illinois Central railroad company until 19 June, 1861, when he was appointed colonel of the 19th Illinois volunteers. He served with his regiment in Missouri, Kentucky, and Alabama, where he took an active part in the capture of Huntsville and Decatur. He was promoted to be a brigadier-general of volunteers, 17 July, 1862, served in the cavalry of the Army of the Cumberland, and resigned, 10 October, 1864. After the close of the war he was a solicitor of patents in Chicago till 1870, for the next three years was employed as a civil engineer, and in 1873 he established the Polish colony of Radone, in Washington county, Illinois, where he now (1889) resides on a farm. He is an occasional contributor of scientific and military articles to periodicals. In January, 1865, he wrote "Military Rambles," a series of criticisms, issued monthly at Chicago, and he has also published " The Campaign and Battle of Chickamauga" (Chicago, 1888).

Edited Appletons Encyclopedia, Copyright © 2001 VirtualologyTM

The Mad Cossack

Brigadier General John B. Turchin (Ivan Vasilevitch Turchininoff) was a nonpareil... No general in either army inspired greater loyalty or more intense hatred than Turchin... In 1863, most Southerners wished him dead, preferably at the end of a rope. "I cannot close this message without again adverting to the savage ferocity which still marks the conduct of the enemy in the prosecution of the war," Jefferson Davis told the Confederate Congress in his annual message to the legislature. "their commanders, Butler, McNeil, and Turchin, whose terrible barbarities have made their names widely notorious and everywhere execrable, are still honored and cherished by the authorities at Washington." ....

Turchin caused quite a stir among his brother officers. he spoke openly of his disdain for army regulations that protected the property of Southern noncombatants, or what Turchin called the "guarding potato patches policy" of "gently fighting the rebels in the field, and at the same time preserving their property from the uses of the army." His convictions got the better of him and in may 1862 he permitted his brigade to plunder the town of Athens, Alabama, which ironically was known for its large loyal population. Turchin was swiftly brought up on charges of "neglect of duty, to the prejudice of good order and military discipline" and "disobedience of orders" by his commander, Major General Don Carlos Buell, who had grown tired of the querulous Russian...The court, of which James A Garfield was president and John Beatty was a member, found him guilty on all counts, and Turchin was dismissed from the service.

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Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 14 March 08 02:57 GMT (UK)
continued .....


There his military career might have ended, had it not been for the intervention of no less a man than Abraham Lincoln. Powerful foreign- born and radical members of the Republican party, who much admired Turchins fiery abolitionism and no-nonsense treatment of the rebels, cried for his reinstatement. Lincoln not only obliged them but promoted Turchin to brigadier general. In March 1863, Turchin was ordered to report to the Army of the Cumberland. Although his reputation as the "Mad Cossack" preceded Turchin, Rosecrans took a liking to him, and he assigned Turchin to the command of a cavalry division.

General Stanley, however, had only contempt for the "dumpy, fat, short-legged Russian, who could not ride a horse." When Turchin failed to come to his support during a skirmish near Shelbyville, Tennessee, Stanley went to Rosecrans to demand he be relieved. Rosecrans hesitated. Fine said Stanley, "If he stays then relieve me." The irascible cavalry chief prevailed, and Turchin was demoted to the command of a brigade of infantry in Reynolds's division.

This Terrible Sound The Battle of Chickamauga - Peter Cozzens - pgs 176-177

Rape Of Athens "I See Nothing" May 2, 1862

http://civilwar.bluegrass.net/battles-campaigns/1862/620502.html

Such a nasty man apparently had had a such nice wife! She, Nadine, accompanied him in the field, despite regulations. His fellow generals resented her while his men loved her.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/02z6/

http://tcc230.tripod.com/lacavhistory/index.html

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In the autumn of 1898 at the age of 76 - Tuchaninov now destitute - applied for a pension as a veteran of the Civil War .... his request was denied !
Eventually after two state senators who had served as privates in 19th Illinois Regiment interceeded on his behalf Tuchaninov was granted a $50 annual pension .... the old General had but 6 months to live .... he died in a state asylum for the mentall ill in the town of Anna and was interred in the militery cemetery at Mound City Illinois

When 3 years later his wife died - the War Dept taking into account her services in the Civil War authorised her burial next to her husband  - the single tombstone that stands on their grave bears the legend

"John B Turchin Brigadier General US Volunteers December 24th 1901 - Nadine his wife November 26th 1826-July 17th 1904 "

http://www.rootschat.com/links/02z8/

Turchin, John B, d. 06/18/1901, Plot: F 0 5008B, bur. 06/18/1901
Turchin, Nadine A, d. 07/17/1904, Plot: F 0 5008C, bur. 07/17/1904
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Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 14 March 08 04:09 GMT (UK)


I forgot to add this .....



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Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 14 March 08 21:06 GMT (UK)


 I have found it so hard to find Russian accounts of the battle - but I was delighted to find this !!  ;D

Memoirs of a Former Artilleryman

(This is a translation of a memoir by an unknown officer of the Don Cossack artillery. These memoirs are remarkable for containing eyewitness accounts of the Alma, Balaklava, and Inkerman.  The translator says ..... "the anonymous author makes some obvious errors regarding certain aspects of the English and French forces, but I have left these stand since they demonstrate what kind of rumors and misconceptions were current in the theater of war. This source is not referred to by Seaton or Curtiss, or indeed any other English-language historian, and I suspect by no Russian historians either. As an addition to the literature available on the Charge of the Light Brigade, it should be especially valuable. Dates have been converted to the Western calendar ")


The artillery battle ended with the taking of Redoubt No. 3, and Don Heavy No. 3 Battery withdrew to Redoubt No. 1 to deploy with an extended front across the Balaklava Valley. On its right it had the Fedyukhin Heights on which were deployed General Zhabokritskii’s infantry, while on the left, in the redoubts, was the infantry of General Liprandi. In the battery’s rear were the two hussar regiments: in echelon behind (26), on the right flank – the Leuchtenberg, and on the left – the Weimar in columns by squadron (27). Ural Cossack No. 1 Regiment stood at the foot of the Fedyukhin Heights, with a sotnia of Aleksandrin’s Regiment to its left, under the command of Voiskovoi Starshina (28) Kon’kov. To the right of the Don battery was deployed Colonel Brombeus’s Horse-Artillery No. 12 Battery.

In order to counter our success in occupying the three redoubts, the enemy prepared a cavalry attack on our forces. For this he sent forward a regiment of French dragoons and Queen Victoria’s Guards Cuirassier Regiment, under the command of Lord Cardigan. Upon noticing the movement of the enemy cavalry, General Liprandi sent his adjutant to tell our battery to prepare to receive a cavalry attack. In fact, as soon as the adjutant galloped off, the English cavalry passed by the redoubts at a trot in orderly formation and then at a gallop fell onto the right flank of Don Heavy No. 3 Battery, which opened up with rapid canister shell fire (29). The cavalry closed up its torn-open files and pressed forward, as brave as a whirlwind, with all the officers in front. The battery started canister fire (30), managing to fire some 32 rounds, which tore out whole files from the regiment, so that barely a third of the Englishmen reached the battery. * Lord Cardigan on a white horse was far ahead of the regiment, and he galloped up to the battery and brandished his saber at the guns… Although the First Division limbered up in time, Sotnik Rebinin used the command, "Pull back" (31) instead of "Limbers back" (32), and the gun trails plowed into the ground and the tired horses halted (33).** Surrounded by the English, the division defended itself as best it could. All the crew members with ramrods worked them with a will, defending themselves and the guns. In this hand-to-hand fight the first ramrod number, Cossack Studenikin, especially distinguished himself. Of great physical strength, he struck the English with terrible blows of his ramrod, felling eight men and saving Sotnik Rebinin when several cavalrymen rushed at him, wounding him twice in the neck and stabbing him once in the right side with a broadsword. The rear driver of the first gun, Cossack Nikulin of the Veshenskaya Settlement, had his throat run through by an Englishman’s lance; he lost his voice, but is still alive today.

*  It was Captain Oldham who was on the white horse !! 
**  What had happened was that Rebinin had given the technical command to pull back using ropes connected from the gun to the limber without first hooking the trail onto the limber, which would have been done had the "Limbers back" command been given.
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Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 14 March 08 21:09 GMT (UK)

continued

In the meantime, the Second Division successfully limbered up on the command  "Limbers back!", and rode off in time, except for the fifth gun, whose horses got tangled in their harness. I was with the gun, and after the horses were freed and the guns hooked onto the limber, I took hold of the lead horse’s traces and shouted, "Go!" The gun drew away at a full trot, but after withdrawing about 100 yards, it was surrounded by enemy cuirassiers. One of them even swung his long straight sword over my head, but Cossack Popov covered me with his shashka sword, and Cossack Sherstyugin, a ramrod number, wounded my attacker in the arm with a pistol shot. I picked up the wounded man’s sword and struck his horse’s nose so hard that it reared up and threw its rider onto the ground, where the cossack ran him through. At this time, on Sotnik Ponomarev’s command, the horse tenders led the horses to the guns, the crew numbers quickly jumped onto them, and along with the Second Division’s remaining crew that had galloped up, they threw themselves to the rescue of the First Division, shashkas in hand and commanded by Ponomarev and myself. Now a desperate hand-to-hand fight ensued. Under the command of Voiskovoi Starshina Porfirii Kon’kov, the sotnia from Colonel Aleksandrin’s Regiment hurried to aid the artillerymen, and from this moment there began a general slaughter of the English, who would lose consciousness and be dragged along the ground and perish. Lord Cardigan, seeing the destruction of the cavalry he was leading, turned back and was quickly carried toward the redoubts by his thoroughbred steed, but he was not destined to reach them. His horse was hit by crossfire from the infantry and fell down while galloping at full speed, killing the earl. The next day his body was turned over to the allies and buried with great honor.
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Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 14 March 08 22:55 GMT (UK)


Here's a bit of trivia !! ..........  :)

When Lord Cardigan dashed into the battery he had by a miracle - passed through the gap between the two guns unhurt and in a few seconds was clear - the first man into the battery and the first man out. Behind him under the pall of smoke -  in murk and gloom -  a savage combat was taking place ......  but Lord Cardigan neither turned back nor paused. In his opinion he said later -  it was "no part of a general's duty to fight the enemy among private soldiers" -  he galloped on until suddenly he was clear of the smoke -  and before him - less than one hundred yards away he saw halted a great mass of Russian cavalry.

His charger was wild with excitement and before he could be checked Lord Cardigan had been carried to within twenty yards of the Russians. For a moment they stared at each other - the Russians utterly astonished by the sudden apparition of this solitary horseman .....  gorgeous and glittering with gold. By an amazing coincidence -  one of the officers Prince Radzivil -recognised Lord Cardigan - they had met in London at dinners and balls  - and the Prince detached a troop of Cossacks with instructions to capture him alive .......  to this coincidence Lord Cardigan probably owed his life.

The Cossacks approached him but did not attempt to cut him down -  and after a short encounter in which he received a slight wound on the thigh -  he evaded them by wheeling his horse galloped back through the guns again - and came out almost where only a few minutes earlier he had dashed in.

http://www.ralphmag.org/BP/half-a-league.html
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Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 15 March 08 01:26 GMT (UK)




Alexis Benoît Soyer was born on 4 February 1810 at Meaux-en-Brie on the Marne in France. He was the youngest son of Emery Roch Alexis Soyer, a grocer, and his wife Marie Chamberlan. The couple had five sons: Alexis was the youngest. However two of the sons - Paul and Rene - died. When Alexis was born, Marie thought he was a blessing, therefore she wanted him to enter the Church. However, he did not choose that calling in life.

Between 1821 and 1826 he served as apprentice to a cook at Grignon, near Versailles and then was employed by the Boulevard des Italiens, where he worked for about three years, soon becoming chief cook over twelve men. In June 1830 he was second cook to Prince Polignac at the French Foreign Office, but left France during the July revolution (1830) and in 1831 he accepted employment in the London kitchen of the Duke of Cambridge. Subsequently he worked for the Duke of Sutherland, the Marquis of Waterford, William Lloyd of Aston Hall, Oswestry, and the Marquis of Ailsa at Isleworth. In 1837 he was appointed as chef to the Reform Club, London. On the day of Queen Victoria's coronation (28 June 1838) he prepared a breakfast for two thousand guests at the club.

In February 1847 Soyer wrote letters to the public press about the famine in Ireland, and in April he was appointed by the government to go to Dublin where he built and opened kitchens from where he sold soup and meat at half the usual cost. While there, he published a sixpenny book, Soyer's Charitable Cookery, giving part of the proceeds to various charities.

In 1849 he began to market his 'magic stove' with which food could be cooked on the table. It proved to be very successful. In May 1850 he resigned from his post as chef at the Reform Club, where his salary and fees brought him in almost £1,000 a year. In May 1851 he opened Gore House, Kensington, as a restaurant, hoping that the Great Exhibition in Hyde Park would bring him numerous customers. Although the restaurant was well patronised, the venture resulted in a loss of £7,000

On 2 February 1855 he wrote to The Times offering to go to the Crimea at his own expense to advise on the cooking for the army there. He began by revising the diet sheets for the hospitals at Scutari and Constantinople. In two visits to Balaklava he, Florence Nightingale and the medical staff reorganised the provisioning of the hospitals; he also began to cook for the fourth division of the army. On 3 May 1857 he returned to London, and on 18 March 1858 he lectured at the United Service Institution on cooking for the army and navy. He also built a model kitchen at the Wellington Barracks, London.

He died on 5 August 1858 at St. John's Wood, London and was buried on 11 August in Kensal Green cemetery

http://www.victorianweb.org/history/crimea/soyer.html

http://www.soyer.co.uk/
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Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 15 March 08 01:41 GMT (UK)


Thought Kenhar would like this one !!  ;D

Timothy Gowing was born on 5 April 1834 at Halesworth in Suffolk where his father was a Baptist minister. In 1839 the family moved to Norwich where Gowing grew up and was educated. John Gowing was the minister of Pitt Street Baptist Church in the city for twenty-four years; and continued to live in the city after retiring. Gowing was fascinated by "things military" and was gripped by the excitement generated by the events of the Russo-Turkish War of 1853-4. He was approaching his twentieth birthday, 'a dangerous age to many unsettled in mind', as Gowing said.
Early in January 1854 he enlisted as a Private in the Royal Fusiliers. His training began in Manchester and continued in Winchester; in June 1854 he went to the Crimea. He survived the campaign although he was wounded on several occasions: he even managed to survive a stay in the military hospital in Malta. At the end of the Crimean War, Gowing was sent to India where the Mutiny had broken out in 1857. His descriptions of events there reflect British attitudes of the time.

Gowing had been promoted to Sergeant during the Crimean War; in 1858 he became the Regimental drill-sergeant; he also married for the first time: the couple had twelve children. From drill-sergeant, he was promoted to Colour-Sergeant and in July 1859 he was appointed as acting Sergeant-Major. He was offered the opportunity of a commission in one of the Sepoy regiments but declined the offer, preferring to remain with the Royal Fusiliers. In 1862 he was offered a commission in the Royal Fusiliers but once more he declined, this time on financial grounds. He did not think that he would be able to support his growing family (of five children in four years of marriage) on an officer's pay.

In 1864, having completed a ten-year enlistment, he re-enlisted for a further term, to give himself a full twenty-one years' service and thus qualify for a pension. He remained in India during this time. His family was all but wiped out by cholera in 1869: only one child of the eight survived. The other seven died on the same day. His wife also died in India and when Gowing returned to England in 1876, at the age of 42, he took only two of the children born to him in India.

Gowing went to live in Southport and re-married, fathering another seven children; his second wife died in 1890. His third wife, Elizabeth, survived her husband. Between returning to England and his death, Gowing lived in a number of different towns in Lancashire and Yorkshire. He had his account of the Crimean War and his service in India during the Mutiny published privately and sold them to office and factory workers in Lancashire: other than his army pension of 2/6d a day, this was his only income. Timothy Gowing died on 3 February 1908 at the age of 74

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http://www.historyhome.co.uk/forpol/crimea/gowing/gowing2.htm
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Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 15 March 08 01:45 GMT (UK)


Did I do this one already ??  :-\

John Doyle, (abt. 1828 - August 1892) was an Irishman who served in the Eighth King's Royal Irish Hussars (a light cavalry unit) as a Private soldier during the Crimean War and the Indian Rebellion of 1857. Doyle was born at Birr, Ireland, about 1828 and died at Liverpool, England in August, 1892. Doyle enlisted in the British Cavalry at Newbridge, Ireland in 1850. His brother, Patrick, had signed up as an infantryman and died when his transport, HMS Birkenhead struck a reef off Cape Agulhas, S.A.

He rode in the Charge of the Light Brigade at Balaklava. Survived lightly wounded, uncaptured.
Fought at four major Crimean War battles: Alma, Balaklava, Inkerman, and Sebastopol.
Member of the Balaclava Commemoration Society.
Published a memoir of his service titled "A Descriptive Account of the Famous Charge of the Light Brigade at Balaclava" in Manchester, 1877
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Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 15 March 08 02:28 GMT (UK)


"Bull Run Russell" ......... The first modern war correspondent won a nickname, much Northern ill will, and a lasting reputation out of his account of a famous battle
Shortly after dawn on a pleasant midsummer morning just a century ago - a two-horse gig drew up in front of private lodgings on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington. Inside the house a stout middle-aged gentleman finished his cup of tea, put more tea in a container, picked up a paper of sandwiches and a bottle of light Bordeaux, and then thoughtfully stopped to fill his brandy Mask. A moment later, clad in a khaki “Himalayan” suit, a brown felt hat, and an old pair of boots, the man appeared on the street to inspect the vehicle. The date was July 21 1861 and The Times of London - 
in the person of William Howard Russell was out to cover what turned out to be the First Battle of Bull Run.

Russell was easily the most celebrated newspaper correspondent of his day. Irish-born, he had joined The Times in 1842 as a press gallery reporter in the House of Commons. Subsequently, he had covered the potato famine and the O’Connell sedition trial in Ireland, the Schleswig-Holstein rebellion on the Continent, and the Sepoy Mutiny in India. He had won a world-wide reputation by his reports from the front during the Crimean War in 1851–55. His revelations of military incompetence at the highest level had toppled a British government - his descriptions of inadequate hospital facilities in the field had been indirectly responsible for Florence Nightingale’s famous mission of mercy -  and his stirring account of the Battle of Balaclava may well have inspired a stay-at-home, Alfred, Lord Tennyson, to compose “The Charge of the Light Brigade.”

There is, unfortunately, no denying that a man who was born in 1820 was born a long time ago. The inventor and pioneer of the trade of "war correspondent" has just died, in his eighty-seventh year, without recalling to the minds of the generation now in the vigor of life the fact that he was by far the most influential of war correspondents.

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These next few are the Australian ones !! ..... I though I may as well get them in the open !!  ;D .... I love these because they are so full of quality information !!  :)


James NEAL - Rode in the Charge James Neal was born in the parish of St. Luke's, London he enlisted at Hounslow on 8 August 1851 into the 8th Hussars at the age of 18, his trade being that of a hatter. He served in all ranks from Pte to Quarter-Master Sgt. But reverting to Sgt. `at his own request', he was appointed to Sgt. I/c. Musketry before being discharged `Free to pension after 21 years service' from Longford, Ireland in November of 1873.

His wife was Eliza Neal. She is shown on the Regtl. `Married roll' from 9 October 1856. There were no known children in the family. His wife was an Acting School-Mistress in the Regimental School at one period.

Neal was to live in Coupar, Scotland, but was living in Perth, Australia, from 1875. He was entitled to the Crimean medal with clasps `Alma', `Balaclava', `Inkerman' and `Sebastopol'.

Neal was awarded the Distinguished Conduct Medal, being recommended for it on 12 January 1855 and receiving a gratuity of 10 [pounds sterling]. It is not known under what circumstances this was awarded. He was also awarded the Mutiny medal with clasp `Central India', and the Long Service and Good Conduct medal.

John Thomas BAMBRICK - Rode in the Charge

John Thomas Bambrick was born in Shajupre, India, on 6 February 1832, the son of Troop Sgt Major John Bambrick of the 11th Light Dragoons and his wife, Harriet Ann. He was baptised at Meerut on 14 March 1832. He enlisted into the Rifle Brigade in September 1849, joining the 2nd Bn at Parkhurst on the Isle of Wight, and transferred to the 11th Hussars on 1 March 1850, before again being transferred to the 2nd Life Guards on the 31 of July 1857. He was discharged from Windsor in September 1858.

Bambrick was entitled to the Crimean medal with clasps `Alma', `Balaclava', `Inkerman' and `Sebastopol'. He was awarded the Knight of the Legion of Honour (5th Class), shown in the London Gazette for 4 August 1856 as for `bravery at Balaclava.' It states:
   `Rode next to 1495 Sgt. Robert Davies at Balaclava and endeavoured to help
   him capture a Russian gun that the crew was trying to get away from the
   field of battle. His horse was later killed under him.'

He emigrated to Australia and died at Bourke, NSW, on 17 October 1893, recorded as being aged 65 years. However, his date of birth would have made him only 61. The cause of death was stated as `Asthma, (2 years)'. He was buried in Grave No. 91. Church of England Section, in Bourne Cemetery. No plan of this cemetery is now in existence and no memorial stone was erected.

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This gives me a lump in my throat !!  :'(


Samuel SAMER - Rode in the Charge

Samuel Samer was born at Littlebury, Essex. Although no baptismal entry can yet be found for him, he was most probably a son of John Seamer and his wife, Amy (nee Abrahams), who were married at Littlebury on 18 April 1824. He enlisted at Coventry on 26 November 1849 into the 11th Hussars at the age of 18.

Severely wounded in action at Balaclava and being invalided to England (via Malta), he was discharged from the Invalid Depot at Chatham in May of 1855 -
   `Being considered unfit for further military service. Disabled by the
   contraction of right elbow joint and loss of power of hands from a gun-shot
   wound of firearm received at Balaclava.'

He emigrated to Australia (Melbourne) some time in 1857. He was entitled to the Crimean medal with clasps `Alma', `Balaclava', and `Sebastopol'.

The Melbourne Argus of 2 June 1899 provided the following obituary -
   
`Samuel Seamer (sic) whose death occurred on Wednesday last at the Kew Lunatic Asylum was one of the Light Brigade in 1853 (sic). Samuel Seamer was born 74 years ago at Littlebury Green, in the village of Saffron Walden, Essex. At the age of 17 he went to Kent and enlisted into the 11th Hussars. It is extremely possible that he saw service in some other lands besides the Crimea, for in his description record taken at the time of his entry into the Lunatic Department his wounds appear so many that one campaign could scarcely account for them all.

`Seamer had a large scar on the left shoulder, apparently a slash from a sword, a bullet wound distorting the bones of his right forearm, a stab wound in the left temple, in all probability the injury which caused him to lose his reason, a stab wound on the outer part of the left thigh and other small wounds over his body and arms. What a stirring picture could be conjured up by these scars, and yet the records are silent on the matter. Seamer was pensioned off in 1856 and drew 8d. per day from the Imperial Government until he arrived in Australia a year or so after. Here it quickly made itself manifest that he was suffering from some mental disorder and eventually his dementia became so pronounced that he was committed to the Lunatic Asylum.

`During the 39 years he passed there the old man could tell but very little about himself. He was not, like most patients, sane on all subjects save one. The past seems to have been a blank for him and he could give no account of his history, although at times his uncontrolled imagination saw the Valley of Death before him once again and caused him to cry out to his old comrades, many now long since dead and gone, whom he felt riding by his side, to tackle the Russians once more. But as a rule the old man was quiet and moody and had nothing to say and it is now long since that he called upon the ghostly regiments of his youth. During his last few years he sat in silent melancholia ...'

He was buried in Grave No 1177, Compartment A of the Church of England Section of the Cemetery at Boroondara and a memorial stone was erected. The title of the plot belongs to the Master in Lunacy and although the burials of those under his control were usually public and unmarked, his grave is a private one. From this he either left an estate sufficient to cover these expenses or arrangements were made with relatives.

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Henry Dyson NAYLOR - Rode in the Charge

Henry Dyson Naylor was born at Mildenhall, Suffolk, he was baptised in Mildenhall Parish Church on 12 July 1835, the second son of Thomas Naylor, and his wife, Eliza. His parents were married at Mildenhall on 13 October 1832. He enlisted at Westminster on 1 November 1851, at the age of 16 years 5 months. Wounded in action at Balaclava, he was `sent on board ship without seeing the surgeon', and was discharged from Chatham Invalid Depot on 23 October 1855.

Naylor was entitled to the Crimean medal with clasps `Alma', `Balaclava', and `Sebastopol'. His records state:
   `Unfit for further service from disfigurement of the face by fracture of
   lower jaw at Balaclava. Also from gun-shot wound of shoulder.'

He was originally awarded a pension of 1/- per day but this was later increased to 1/6d per day following `15 years service in the Enrolled Force' in Western Australia, on 18 January 1881, and further increased on 4 April 1893.

The Army and Navy Gazette for 8 May 1894 provides:
  
`We learn from Australia of the death of Henry Dyson Naylor, aged 60. At  the time of his death he was a Cpl. in the Fremantle Infantry Corps. He enlisted at the age of 16 years, and three years later he rode in the Charge of the Light Brigade, being seriously wounded, one of the wounds being caused by a cannon rammer which struck him in the loins - this caused him pain until his death, which was largely due to the effects of his wounds. He was sent home from the Crimea, and discharged in 1855.
Naylor was then employed as second coachman by the Maharajah Duleep Singh.He then went to Western Australia in charge of prisoners in 1862, and for some years was employed as a night warder at Fremantle Prison, The local Militia gave him a military funeral, and most of the shops closed as a mark of respect ...'
He died in Fremantle on 26 March 1894, from `Influenza, Mob Cordis, Exhaustion', aged 59 years.

In Queen Victoria's Maharajah by Duleep Singh at pp 60-61 it is stated -
  
`Another servant, a handsome young dragoon, who had been in the Charge of the Light Brigade, at Balaclava, was one of the sights of Perthshire as he strode through the village (Castle Menzies) with all his medals jangling on the Maharajah's blue and green livery ...'

Knowing that Henry Naylor had been employed by Duleep Singh, was he, perhaps, `this handsome young dragoon'?

The Colonial Military Gazette (Australia) for January 1893 stated -
  
`Colonel Fleming, (commanding the Western Australian District) inspected the Fremantle Rifles on their own ground and expressed a favourable opinion regarding the Corps. The Colonel was introduced to a veteran soldier, Cpl. Naylor, who rode in the ranks of the 13th Light Dragoons at the battle of Balaclava. The Colonel extended a hearty handshake and made many enquiries regarding the old soldier ...'

The July 1893 edition of the Colonial Military Gazette stated -
`Recently an application was made to the War Office for an increase in pension for Cpl. Naylor, now of the Fremantle Rifles, but who had formerly served in the Balaclava Charge. As he enjoys the sum of 1/6d. per day pension, the reply was that "no further award can be given either by the War Office, or Chelsea ...'

The Dictionary of Western Australian Immigrants 1829-1924 shows him as -
  
`Naylor, Henry Dyson. Bn. 1836, Dd. (Fremantle) 26/3/1894. Son of Thomas Dyson. Arrived per the "Norwood" 9/6/1862 as Enrolled Pensioner Guard, with family. Marr. (England) Henrietta Wells. Private, 13th Light Dragoons Veteran and Crimean War and Chelsea Pensioner. Stationed at Fremantle, posted briefly to Camden Harbour in 1865. Promoted Cpl. in 1881. In 1876 granted Loc. PS/20 acres at Koojee, but lived in Fremantle, where he was employed as a butler. C. of E. by religion.'

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The Norwood was a ship of 849 tons under the command of Captain Frederick Bristow. She had left Portland for Australia on 16 March 1862, carrying 382 passengers (both bond and free) including 21 Enrolled Pensioner Guards with 38 wives and children.

Naylor went to Camden Harbour aboard the Tien Tsin on 17 January 1865, where he remained until 29 October 1865. He was part of a Government force of police, pensioners and labourers who were sent to join the settlement that had been established there some months. The country was found to be inhospitable and unfit for stock, so much so that no more than a thousand sheep of the four and half thousand sheep originally taken there were left. It was decided to abandon the settlement and those remaining (the great majority had returned, dispirited, to Melbourne by July of 1865) returned to Fremantle.

Naylor was on the EPF Roll (Fremantle detachment) on its disbandment in November 1880. He was selected to be recruited as an Enrolled Guard (now under Police control and its members sworn in as Special Constables). Its main duties were to furnish a Guard for the Convict Prison and Magazine at Fremantle and a Guard for Government House. The strength of the unit was one Sergeant Major, three Sergeants, three Warders, five Corporals and 37 Privates.

As an Enrolled Guard, Naylor occupied quarters in No 1 Barrack, Fremantle, with his wife and four children, from 19 November 1880.

He was promoted to Corporal on 2 April 1881.

There is a record in 1881 of, `Has had Koojee Loc. P8 since 1876. Will effect improvements as soon as possible', and on 5 August 1884, `Grant of Cockburn Sound, Loc. P8 of 20 acres at Koojee confirmed'.

Naylor was on the roll of the Enrolled Guard at its disbandment on 31 March 1887. He was then aged 51 and held the rank of Corporal.

A newspaper report of the time said -
`On 3 February 1869 HRH Prince Alfred, son of Queen Victoria, visited Western Australia aboard HMS Galatea and on every occasion when HRH drove out the escort consisted of six well-mounted and uniformed efficient Dragoon Pensioners, clothed, armed and equipped as Hussars, under the able direction of Major Crampton. Each of the men had borne his part in one or more great battles and one exhibited across his face a sabre cut received in the renowned Balaclava charge.'

This was Henry Dyson Naylor from the 13th Dragoons, of whom the local journal relates that during the inspection of his escort, `HRH saw the deep scar on the face of one man, a cicatrized memento of Balaclava.'

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James SEDGEWICK - Possibly rode in the Charge

James Sedgewick was born at Chatham, Kent, and christened on 12 March 1820 at the Ebenezer or Great Meeting House Independent Chapel in Clover Street, Chatham, the son of William Sedgewick, a carrier, and his wife, Mary.

Enlisting at Maidstone into the 4th Light Dragoons in March of 1836 at the age of 19 years, he was discharged from Dublin after 24 years service (some four years of which had been spent in India previous to the Crimean campaign) with a pension of 1/1d per day and intending to live in Aberdeen, Scotland.

Sedgewick was awarded the Crimean medal with clasps `Alma', `Balaclava', `Inkerman' and `Sebastopol'. He was also awarded the Long Service and Good Conduct medal and the medal for Ghuznee.

He was known to be in Brisbane from 1 April 1875. The Brisbane Daily Mail in July 1906 said -

`11th of July - Mr. James Sedgwick, the Balaclava veteran, to whom reference was made in these columns a few weeks back, has died in the Brisbane General Hospital and was buried at the Goondra Cemetery yesterday.'

From his death certificate, he died in the Brisbane Hospital on 9 July 1906, aged 87 years, from `Senile decay. Heart failure.' It confirms his birthplace as being in Kent, his father`s surname and trade, that he was an Imperial Army Pensioner, had been living in Queensland for 22 years, and that he was interred in Goodna Cemetery on 10 July 1906. Although it was also shown he had living relatives, none were specified.

In 1995 a former member of the Tank Corps was visiting his mother's grave in Goodna Cemetery, Queensland, Australia, and looking around the oldest (and much neglected and vandalised) part of the cemetery found Sedgewick`s grave. The headstone was filthy and cracked and the inscription on it difficult to decipher. Reporting this to the RHQ of the Royal Irish Hussars, financial help was given in getting the stone cleaned and repaired, the iron railings around it being also repainted. The inscription on the headstone now reads:

Sacred to the memory of James Sedgewick 4th Light Dragoons, Now 4th (Queen's Own) Hussars Who served his country with honour And took part in the Charge of Balaclava Died July 9th 1906 Aged 87 years Erected by the officers, warrant officers, NCO's and men of his Regiment As a tribute of esteem To a very old and worthy comrade.

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Charles DALTON - Possibly rode in the Charge

Charles Dalton was born in the parish of St. Luke's, Chelsea. He enlisted at Westminster in March 1850 at the age of 18 years into the 8th Hussars and was discharged from Calcutta, India, in September 1863 after 12 years service. The records give no indication of when, or how, he returned to England.

He was entitled (according to the medal rolls) to the Crimean medal with clasps `Alma', `Inkerman' and `Sebastopol', and the Mutiny medal with clasp `Central India'. Although he was not shown as being entitled to the Balaclava clasp, he was allowed to become a member of the Balaclava Commemoration Society in 1879, and this would imply that he did indeed ride in the Charge.

He is said to have emigrated to Australia aboard the Northern (sic) circa 1863-64 (no ship of this name can be found listed, but there was a ship called the Northam which made four voyages to Sydney in 1863 and the same number in 1864, but a Charles Dalton is not listed among the passengers). He is said to have married an Irish girl (Jessie FitzSimmons), born in Armagh, County Armagh, at Christ Church, St. Lawrence, Sidney, on 6 June 1865. Nine children were born into the family, the last seven being at Government House, where Charles Dalton was in charge of the Governor's escort. On his death he was buried in the Church of England Cemetery at Balgowlah, Manley. His wife died in 1919. A family tombstone exists in Manley Cemetery and has the following inscriptions on it -

`Charles Dalton, late of the 8th King's Royal Irish Hussars and for 25 years in charge of the Governor's Escort, N S Wales. Born London 24th Nov 1832 -Died Balgowlah, 5th February 1891. Served in the Crimea and Turkey at Alma, Balaclava, Inkerman and Sebastopol, and in India at the Siege of  Kotah, Recapture of Chundaree, Kotah Ki Seria, Capture of Gwalior, Powrie, Sindwah and Koonory. Also Jessie, beloved wife of the above - Died 17th December 1919, aged 81 years. Also Emily Emma Sarah Jordan, who passed away 31st Aug. 1965, aged 84.'

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Hugh Massey STEELE - Possibly rode in the Charge

Hugh Massey Steele was born at Rathdowney (Airlie) Co. Queen's, Ireland. He enlisted at Dublin on 22 April 1845 into the 8th Hussars at the age of 18 years 2 months. He was discharged from Chatham Invalid Depot on 12 July 1855, being, `Disabled by lameness -- after frost bite of the great toes of both feet in the Crimea.'

He was entitled to the Crimean medal with clasps `Alma', `Balaclava', `Inkerman' and `Sebastopol'.

Steele lived in Melbourne from 10 October 1857.

Article from the Windsor and Richmond Gazette, published in October of 1888, said -
 
 `A Neglected Hero -- Few people living but are acquainted, more or less fully, with the facts of the splendid feat in arms, immortalised by Tennyson and which will be known in history, when every individual hero of it shall be laid to rest, as "The Charge of the Light Brigade." It is not  generally known that we have in Cootamundra, says an exchange, one of the gallant 600, who rode into the very jaws of death with "cannons to the right of them, cannons to the left of them, cannons in front of them," - in the person of H Steele, a vendor of oranges! This may sound like coming down from the sublime to the ridiculous, but so it is. Mr Steele generall has about him the proud mementoes of the glorious campaign in the Crimea, in the shape of two silver medals, one being presented by Queen Victoria in person, bearing the name, his regiment (8th K R Hussars) also, on four silver lines, the names of the four great features of that campaign Sebastopol, Inkerman, Balaclava and  Alma. The other medal was presented by the Sultan of Turkey, "La Crimea, 1855; One of the 600." Not more than a third of them came out of that singular dash. England, as a rule, treats her heroes great and small, rich and poor, handsomely; but since the remote days of princely annuities have been paid to the Marlborough's (sic) down to the good for nothing Duke of the present day, and it appears to us high  time that some of these ancient heroes were knocked off the roll, and better justice done to the latter day warriors. One shilling a day to a corporal, and one of the few remaining 600 heroes, looks mean and unworthy of the Mother country.'

The Cootamundra Herald newspaper for 25 September 1886 said -
   
`The 23rd anniversary [sic] of the battle of the Alma was celebrated in Sydney on Monday night, Sergeant Dalton [see his record] of the 8th King's Royal Irish Hussars, having called a few old comrades together for the purpose. We may also state that the event was toasted also in Cootamundra by a couple of Crimean heroes - Corporal O'Dwyer, who was engaged at the battle of the Alma, of Muttama, and our town hero (Steel) of Cardigan' Light Brigade.'

He died at Cootamundra on 16 January 1894, aged 66 years, from `Senile Decay, about 12 months'. His occupation was recorded as Retired Gaol Warder. He had been very feeble and ailing for some considerable time. The newspaper death notice said -
 `Death -  We have to record the death of Mr. Hugh Steele, the veteran soldier, of this town. He had been very feeble and ailing for some considerable time. He leaves a widow and a grown family'.

His death certificate shows him as having lived in Australia for 33 years, and left a widow and four children (one being deceased), their ages ranging from 9 to 21 years. He was buried in Cootamundra Cemetery on 19 January 1894. He was of the Methodist religion.

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Arthur BERKLEMAN - Possibly rode in the Charge

Arthur Berkleman was born at Killarney, Co. Kerry, Ireland. He enlisted into the 87th Fusiliers at Cork on 9 May 1844 at the age of 16 years, his trade being that of a clerk, and transferred to the 17th Lancers at Paisley on 1 July 1846. He was discharged from Portobello Barracks at Dublin on 27 November 1856. A medical report upon 871 Corporal Arthur Berkleman, 17th Lancers said -
  
`This man is considered unfit for the service and never likely to become efficient in consequence of very extensive varix of the veins of the legs In 1853 he was relieved from duty at Kensington as he was unable to ride on account of this varicose condition. He did no mounted duty for a long period. His disability has been produced in the service and is attributable to mounted service. His disability has not been aggravated by vice or misconduct."

He was entitled to the Crimean medal with clasps for `Alma', `Balaclava' and `Sebastopol'.

He lived in the Tralee Pension District of Ireland before going to Sydney, NSW. His pension was paid at Tralee up to 31 March 1858. He was in NSW until his pension expired on 6 February 1860. In the Pension Office Records for Tralee there is an entry during the April-June quarter of 1857 of an out-going letter listing those men on the pension-rolls who were eligible and willing to go to Australia as guards on convict-ships. There is no documentary proof that Berkleman went out to Australia by this means, only the date to when his pension was paid in that particular district. But subsequent events have made this a possibility. It has not yet been possible to discover the exact date of his arrival in Australia.

Berkleman died at Newtown, Windsor, NSW, on 13 January 1904 at the age of 74 years, from `Cardiac disease'. The death certificate confirms that he was born at Killarney, Ireland, and that he was the son of John Lewis Berkleman, a Military Officer, and his wife, Frances, nee Herbert. He was buried in the Church of England Cemetery at Windsor on 14 January 1904 and a gravestone was erected. An obituary notice and funeral report from The Gazette for Saturday the 23rd of January 1904 stated -
  
"No more respected or esteemed personality than the late Mr. Arthur Berckelman, senr. has ever been called from amongst us. As was briefly stated last week, he passed peacefully away on Tuesday night or Wednesday morning after a long and honoured career, at the age of 74 years. As was well known, Mr. Berckelman, was a Crimean and Balaclava soldier and his home at Newtown, Windsor, was called "Balaclava" in memory of the memorable "Charge of the Light Brigade" in which he took part. He was a man of wonderful vitality and retentive memory, and his graphic descriptions of the scenes on the battlefield which he had witnessed and the adventures he had passed through - the very recital of them made strong men quail. Like his familiar figure - straight and upright - so was his character. During our long residence at Windsor we have never heard one harsh word spoken against the late Mr Berckelman, but we have heard many high words paid to his honesty, his manliness and his goodness of heart. And he never uttered a harsh word against his fellowmen. His end was a peaceful one. Up to the last he was able to get about quite nimbly, and retired to rest as usual on the night of his death and probably passed away in his sleep. He held two
war-medals, for distinguished service in the Crimean and Franco-Prussian [sic] wars respectively. He leaves behind a widow and family than whom none are more respected in the district.'

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A newspaper report of unknown origin (but believed to be from one circulating in the Canterbury, New Zealand, area around May/June of 1890) and found in a "scrap-book" formerly belonging to James W. Wightman of the 17th Lancers, states:
   
`The "Noble Six Hundred" - Now that so much painful interest has been revived in the famous "Charge of the Light Brigade", it will be interesting to learn the impressions made by that memorable affair upon one who actually took part in the Charge. We learn from the Australian Star that at an entertainment at Windsor, New South Wales, the other day Tennyson's poem was recited and at the close Mr M A Berilman (sic), a "Light Brigade" survivor, gave his personal experiences.

`He said that previous to the famous charge the Light Brigade was located adjacent to the Russian posts, and did all they could to make them commence hostilities. On the eventful morning the Russians came on and appeared to him to be in endless numbers. After various manoeuvres the order came for the Light Brigade to go at them, and all were surprised. The Six Hundred sat as firm as rocks, and had nought to do but obey the order and advance. When halfway across the plain, the narrator saw fire belch forth from the cannon in front, little thinking that the Russians had also cannon on the right and left, which opened up a cross-fire, soon after which a piece of shell hit his horse's chest, and he lay there for some time, stunned. When he recovered he found his comrades had gone, and looking around saw the Cossacks busy and riderless horses everywhere, and with prostrated men on every side. He went to catch a horse and a cannon ball knocked the dust up at his feet. He caught a horse and when mounting him two Cossacks went for him. He kept them on the right, and one, the more daring, rushed him and the narrator's lance went right through his body and nearly unseated him. They were recalled, and though it was considered presumption for 600 men to tackle 35,000 their end had been accomplished, though with a great sacrifice, for when they mustered there was only a handful of the gallant band remaining. Others had been mown down by the relentless fire of the enemy. The narrator came out without a scratch. The narrator was attentively listened to and much applauded'.

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James Olley, 'Old Balaklava'  1832-1920

James Olley was already an old man when he went to live at Salthouse in the house that is now known as Marsh Cottage. His fame, as a soldier who fought in the Crimean War and actually took part in the Charge of the Light Brigade, was widely known and, due to the fact that he lived over the years in many different places in North Norfolk, there are probably many villages besides Salthouse who remember him as their own hero.

Tennyson's poem made ‘The Charge of the Light Brigade’ in the Crimean War famous, and excited the public in the romanticism of the 'do or die' blind obedience of the British Soldier, but the very few who amazingly survived that famous charge were more or less forgotten. Life in the British Army in the 1880s was hard enough, but unless he had a trade to take up when his time was served, an ex-soldier's outlook was often even harder. James Olley fell on hard times after his return to civilian life. He was reduced to begging in the streets of Knapton with a placard round his neck. But he was noticed and was identified as having played the part he did by the Squire, Mr H. M. Robinson of Knapton Hall, who was Justice of the Peace. He took action to put things right in a stirring article deploring the fact that someone who had taken part in one of the most celebrated military events of the time, should be forced to beg. In the Dereham and Fakenenham Times of 14 January 1888, he declared publicly that 'No one of the gallant six hundred should have to petition for the means to put himself in the way of earning a livelihood'. He called upon readers to donate to a fund to put James Olley 'into some little business'.

"It was very queer going down the valley, a good deal worse than it was when I got to the guns . . . The first man I happened with at the guns was a Russian gunner who attacked me with a ramrod. I felled him at the muzzle of the gun he was defending with two strokes of my sword . . . Just as I killed the gunner, I saw several Russians dash at the Earl of Cardigan who was near the breech of a big gun; but his horse brought him safely over the limber towards us. I never saw him again in the battle.

"Whilst fighting at the guns, I received two lance wounds, one in the ribs and one in the neck from behind. The Russian Lancer in the rear who stabbed me was killed by a comrade and I struck down the other. In this cavalry encounter, I was wounded with a sabre across the forehead by a Russian dragoon. He made "Cut 7" at me . . . I gave him point and stabbed him.
The sword fell from his hand and the point penetrated my foot . . . ‘

" When we were retiring we met some Russian lancers. We made a charge and they fled to the left incline and rode past. Just after passing the cavalry I got a ball from the Russian infantry on my left. It went through my left eye, passed through my nostrils and the roof of my mouth and came out against my right eye. I did not know at the time that my eye was out. It was not painful at the time; afterwards the suffering was dreadful. After being thus wounded, I still kept the saddle [he had already had one horse shot from under him but had managed to remount that of a fallen trooper] though blood was pouring from my mouth and nostrils, as well as running from my forehead . . . When I came out of battle the Paymaster did not recognise me. I was then blind . . ."

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In the Parish Registers for ELSING, Norfolk, is a burial entry for 8 September 1920 for a JAMES OLLEY aged 88. An additional note states that he "Fought in the famous Charge of the Light Brigade in the Russian War. Buried with Military Honours."

To add a little more about James Olley:

Private James Olley of the 4th Light Dragoons was wounded in the Charge of the Light Brigade on 25th October 1854 when his horse was shot. There is an extensive entry for him in 'Honour the Light Brigade' by William M. Lummis and Kenneth G. Wynn (London: J.B. Hayward and Son, 1973).

He was born at Hanworth, near Aylsham, Norfolk; 16th May 1838 and enlisted 6th November 1852. He was invalided to England early in 1855. Died about 4th September 1920 at Balaclava Cottage, Elsing, Norfolk. Buried 8th September 1920 in Elsing Churchyard in an unmarked grave.

He was one of the wounded men seen by Queen Victoria at Brompton Barracks, 3rd March 1855. He had lost the sight of his left eye.

Olley was the Son of Peter Olley, a labourer and his wife Mary Ann. After his discharge he lived in various places in North Norfolk - Blakeney, Field Dalling, Holt (where he was a horse trainer), Knapton, Salthouse, Lyng and Elsing.
He was the last 4th Light Dragoons survivor of the Charge. The above is part of the entry for Olley in 'Honour the Light Brigade'.

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/NORFOLK/2000-09/0970080184



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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 16 March 08 17:52 GMT (UK)


Crimea Nurses

Here is a list of the male and female nurses who served in the military hospitals in the East during the Crimean War.  This information is in most part from the Florence Nightingale Collection Ref - H1/ST/NC, at the London Metropolitan Archives, and from the War Office records at the Public Record Office
 
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thelamp/nightingalenurses.htm

In autumn 1854 - press reports from the Times’ war correspondent highlighted gross deficiencies in British military hospitals dealing with the sick and wounded of the Crimean War - prompting the War Office to appeal for respectable women to nurse the wounded. Three types of woman answered the War Office call – philanthropic ladies, paid nurses and religious sisters, both Catholic and Anglican.
Among this latter group were 15 Mercy nuns from various convents in Ireland and England - they arrived in Scutari - across the Bosporus from Constantinople, to nurse the sick and wounded British soldiers who were fighting to the east on the Crimean Peninsula - all under the control of the mother superior of the Convent of Mercy Kinsale Co Cork (Mother Mary Francis Bridgeman) - and among her community were Sister M. Doyle of Gort and Sister M. Joseph Croke of Charleville ...... all three kept an account of their experiences, recording the conditions under which they travelled to the Crimea, the state of the hospitals they worked in, their relationships with the soldiers - medical and military authorities.
Florence Nightingale was already building her reputation with the work she and her assistants were carrying out in the hospitals. Mother Francis Bridgeman, in her first negotiations with Nightingale, noted that she had 'an ambitious woman to deal with on whom she could not rely'. Bridgeman and Nightingale were both strong personalities who were unwilling to concede authority and control to the other. Issues of power, class and identity formed the basis of the disagreements that developed between the two women.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/030e/


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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 16 March 08 18:13 GMT (UK)


I thought this maybe of interest ..... quite fascinating to me ... reading about issues between the women !!

Members of the Mercy congregation in Ireland and led by Mother M Francis Bridgeman Mother Superior of Kinsale convent arrived in Crimea .... why did the Mercy nuns volunteer to nurse in the Crimean War? primarily, according to surviving diaries, - it was carried out as part of their mission to aid the less fortunate of society – especially given the high number of Irish soldiers in the British Army during the 19th century. The Mercy sisters had had experience of home nursing in the houses of the poor since the first European cholera epidemic in 1832.
Gradually this work expanded and, by the outbreak of the Crimean War in 1854, the sisters had gained much valuable domiciliary nursing expertise and had laid plans to open hospitals in Dublin and Cork. The Crimean War allowed these women to apply the nursing skills they had acquired and to gain public recognition for their nursing care.

A second consideration was political – to showcase the benefits of Catholicism. Despite the removal of the last vestiges of the Penal Laws with Catholic Emancipation, nevertheless a suspicion remained in the establishment mind about the motives of the Catholic hierarchy.

The second contingent had departed from London, including Mother Bridgeman’s group which comprised eleven nuns from Irish convents, 3 from Liverpool and 1 from Chelsea. The Irish nuns met up at St Catherine’s where there was a delay of 3 weeks while various administrative problems were sorted out. They then travelled together to London and were joined by the sisters from Liverpool and Chelsea.

All the nuns kept a diary of their time away but only three survive – those written by Mother M. Francis Bridgeman of Kinsale, Sister M. Aloysius Doyle of Gort and Sister M. Joseph Croke of Charleville. Mother Bridgeman’s party of 15 sisters left London on 2nd December 1854 with 9 ‘ladies’ and 23 paid nurses under the superintendence of Mary Stanley. They travelled via Paris and Marseilles, where they boarded a ship bound for Turkey. When they arrived at Constantinople a message was sent to Scutari but Nightingale replied that the War Office had made a mistake and she had neither work nor accommodation for more nurses and nuns. Something of a stand-off ensued, with the ladies and nurses staying in accommodation belonging to the British Ambassador and the nuns staying with French Sisters of Charity, in their convent nearby.
Eventually Moore negotiated a compromise between Nightingale and Bridgeman where Nightingale agreed to accept five nuns to work at the Barrack Hospital, Scutari, on the understanding that Bridgeman was free to withdraw them at any time.

A deal was worked out whereby the ten unemployed sisters would be sent to nurse in hospitals at Koulali hospitals, further up the coast. The remaining five sisters were given a choice to either remain at Scutari Barrack Hospital, where Florence Nightingale was based, or transfer to Scutari General Hospital. They opted to transfer and on 25th January 1855 Sisters M Elizabeth Hersey, M Clare Keane, M Paula Rice, M Winifred Sprey and M Agnes Whitty moved to the General Hospital.

Mother Bridgeman’s Party

Mthr M Francis Bridgeman Kinsale
Sr M Joseph Lynch Kinsale
Sr M Clare Keane Kinsale
Sr M Agnes Whitty St. Catherine’s Baggot St, Dublin
Sr M Elizabeth Hersey St. Catherine’s Baggot St, Dublin
Sr M Joseph Croke Charleville
Sr M Clare Lalor Charleville
Sr M Aloysius Doyle Carlow
Sr M Stanislaus Heyfron Carlow
Sr M Paula Rice St. Maries of the Isle, Cork
Sr M Aloysius Hurley St. Maries of the Isle, Cork
Sr Winifred Sprey Liverpool
Sr M Elizabeth Butler Liverpool
Sr M Magdalen Alcock Liverpool
Sr M Bernard Dixon Chelsea, Lon

Mercy Hospital, Cork

Sr M Aloysius Doyle died at Gort  convent, Co Galway in 1908, aged 94. She was the last survivor of  Bridgeman’s group and had been  awarded the Royal Red Cross in 1897.  She could not receive it in person from  Queen Victoria at the ceremony in  Windsor, due to ill health, and so it  was sent on to her.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/030f/

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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 16 March 08 19:34 GMT (UK)


snippets ........ a case of did you know ? .........

Trumpeters Buglers and Foreign Medals ...... Cavalry trumpets used only when dismounted and State Trumpets for ceremonial occasions ... when mounted all calls were played on a Bugle!

The first ever 'Edison wax cylinder' recording of a Bugle was made in 1890. This recording featured the trumpeter who actually sounded the 'Charge of the Light Brigade' - only on this occasion it was sounded on a Bugle used at Waterloo ! So, from the 'Edison' era to the Digital age, listen to this amazing recording of Trumpeter Lanfried sounding the 'Charge' exactly as he did at Balaclava 154 years ago ...... the recording was made to raise money for the plight of the survivors of Balaclava

And did you know that trumpeter 1108 Richard Davis (13th Light Dragoons) also received the French Medaille Militaire Medal at Balaclava?

An interesting feature of this medal is that it is also the supreme award for leadership, being awarded to generals and admirals who had been commanders-in-chief and is one of rarest French decorations to be bestowed upon foreigners.
Other notable recipients of Medaille Militaire - Winston Churchill  Franklin D. Roosevelt  Dwight D. Eisenhower
So for a Cavalry Trumpeter to recieve one!

Here's a list of the trumpeters of the Heavy Brigade.

0582 Trumpeter Avid, Edward
0932 Trumpeter Gibbs, John
1107 Trumpeter Stacey, George Severely wounded. To Scutari on 26th
0581 Trumpet-Major Forster, William (Scots Greys)
0885 Trumpeter Stacey, William Sanuel
0794 Trumpeter Mitchell, David
1027 Trumpeter Dearden, Robert - Died 2 Days before the charge
1063 Trumpeter Jones, David
0842 Trumpeter Nesbit, Charles
1038 Trumpeter Heywood, William

Heywood was one of the severely wounded Trumpeters who appeared before Queen Victoria in the Messroom, Brompton Barracks, on 3rd March, 1855. His age was stated to be 21 years - Service 2 years 10 months. Loss of three fingers of left hand at Balaclava. Wounded by Mine rifle ball. To be discharged!

0832 Trumpeter Monks Thomas - sounded the Charge for the Heavy Brigade at Balaclava. Medals - Crimea (B.I.S) L.S. & G.C., Valeur et Discipline - Turkish Crimea (Sardinian issue)

Medal information 'Valeur et Discipline' in diggerhistory below

http://www.diggerhistory2.info/graveyards/pages/equip-uniform/fr-medals.htm

Scroll down ....... to Stan W

http://www.rootschat.com/links/030g/

* EJ Boys ....... Trumpeter Richard Davis - 1108 13th Light Dragoons

http://www.chargeofthelightbrigade.com/allmen/allmenD/allmenD_13LD/davis_r_1108_13LD/davis_r_1108_13LD.html
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: Kevwood on Sunday 16 March 08 21:06 GMT (UK)
Annie, Here are the lithographs. Scaled, i will email you the full size scans.


Kev.
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 17 March 08 00:43 GMT (UK)


They're wonderful Kev .... thank you !  ;D

I'm not sure about this one .......  ::) 36Th Infantry Regiment Civil War Washington Volunteers

History
Mustered in - June 17, 1861
Mustered out - July 15, 1863

The following is taken from New York in the War of the Rebellion, 3rd ed. Frederick Phisterer. Albany: J. B. Lyon Company, 1912.
This regiment, Col. Charles H. Innes, was accepted by the State May 23, 1861 -  organized at New York city, and there mustered in the service of the United States for two years between June 17 and July 4, 1861. Five companies of an offered organization  -  the New York British Volunteers  - ordered to join this regiment failed to comply with the orders. June 30, 1863, the three years' men of the regiment were transferred to the 65th Infantry.
The companies were recruited principally: A at Buffalo; B at Newburgh; I at Brooklyn and New York city, and the others, C, D, E, F, G, H and K at New York city.
The regiment left the State July 12, 1861; served at and near Washington, D. C., from July 14, 1861; in Couch's Brigade, Division of Potomac, from August 4, 1861; in same brigade, Buell's Division, Army of the Potomac, from October 15, 1861; in 3d Brigade, 1st Division, 4th Corps, Army of the Potomac, from March 13, 1862; in 1st Brigade, 1st Division, 4th Corps, Army of the Potomac, from June, 1862; in 1st Brigade, 3d Division, 6th Corps, Army of the Potomac, from September, 1862; in 2d Brigade, 3d Division, 6th Corps, Army of the Potomac, from December, 1862; and was honorably discharged and mustered out, under Col. Wm. H. Browne, July 15, 1863, at New York city.
During its service the regiment lost by death, killed in action, 1 officer, 21 enlisted men; of wounds received in action, 15 enlisted men; of disease and other causes, 5 officers, 27 enlisted men; total, 6 officers, 63 enlisted men; aggregate, 68; of whom 1 enlisted man died in the hands of the enemy.

http://www.dmna.state.ny.us/historic/reghist/civil/infantry/36thInf/36thInfMain.htm

The delightful quarters known as Camp Reed, on Riker's Island, are at present occupied by the 36th Regiment, Col. Chas. H. Innes. The pure atmosphere and good fare which the men enjoy at these quarters have the effect of producing ruddy countenances and vigorous health, rendering the services of the regimental surgeon almost unnecessary. Another effect of the pleasant location of these quarters is the orderly conduct of the soldiers, which is a distinct feature, for in no quarters in or about New-York have we witnessed such order and regard for discipline as is evinced here. The rations served to the men are of excellent quality, and sufficient in quantity, thanks to the energy of Quartermaster-General Arthur, and the rigid scrutiny of Quartermaster Winter. The utmost content is expressed by the men with all the details over which the officers of the regiment have control, but they are very much dissatisfied with the delay in paying them the amount due them from the State. This delay is inexplicable, except on the ground that two companies are yet to be mustered into the U. S. service. That the organization of the regiment has been maintained, despite the many obstacles with which the officers have had to contend, is due alone to the devotion of the men to their officers. The officers have had to quarter and feed their men for many weeks before they were mustered into the State service, without any other assistance than $1,500, received from the Defense Committee. Some weeks ago, a resolution was adopted by the Committee, appropriating $3,000 to the use of the 36th Regiment, not a dollar of which has yet been received. The men have foregone their tobacco, and other luxuries, which they are unable to obtain without money, cheerfully, because they see their officers subjected to many privations of a like nature.
The officers of this regiment are all men of military experience, and a large proportion have seen active service in the American and British armies. Yesterday a battalion drill was the distinct feature of the day's proceedings, many of the friends of the officers being present. The various evolutions through which Col. Innes put his regiment were executed with remarkable precision. When the short time that the regiment have occupied grounds on which battalion movements could at all be performed is considered, the highest credit is due to the officers for the thoroughly military style in which the soldiers performed some of the most difficult evolutions. Marching in line of battle was performed without a deflection from the line.
We give below a list of the officers:
* Lieut. Armstrong was in the Crimean war, and was one of the Light Brigade in the desperate charge of the "six hundred" at Balaklava.

** Company A ............ 2d Lieut. Ed. Armstrong

http://www.dmna.state.ny.us/historic/reghist/civil/infantry/36thInf/36thInfCWN.htm

* EJ Boys -  Armstrong Pte John 1048 8th H
                   Armstrong Cpl Joseph 1292 4th LD
                   Armstrong Asst Surg Lancelot 13th LD
                   Armstrong, Armstron Pte William 878 17th L

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9905E3DD163EEE34BC4F52DFB3668388679FDE


Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 17 March 08 03:33 GMT (UK)



Well here's an Irishman in America I can't find !!  ::) can anybody else see him ??

Death of Barney McKernan -  a Survivor of the Famous Charge

Phoenixville  Penn -  March 14th 1897 - Barney McKernan a survivor of the Light Brigade which was made famous by the charge at Balaklava during the Crimean war died at the home of his daughter in this place last night - aged seventy-two years.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9503E7D91E3DE433A25756C1A9659C94669ED7CF

OK here we go ! ..... but it doesn't mention Balaklava .... ::)

There is a grave in Phoenixville, Pennsylvania bearing the inscription

BERNARD McKERNAN
born 1817
died march 15 1897

"Last surviving member of Charge of Light Brigade made famous by the poem by Alfred Lord Tennyson....

Born in Lathram (I think they mean Leitrim, a County in Ireland) enlisted at Maidstone in 17th Lancers Fought in 13 engagements during Sikh Rebellion in India 1845-1848 and at the battles of Alma, Inkerman and the storming of the Redan and Malakoff Forts during Siege of Sebastopool, Crimean War. Presented with Medal for Valour by Queen and Sultan of Turkey during Crimean War. Died a US Citizen at Phoenixville Pa."

http://genforum.genealogy.com/crimeanwar/messages/62.html

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Honoring those who gave their lives
By: Dennis J. Wright, For the Spring-Ford Reporter
05/31/2007

Close to 100 people convened upon Black Road Cemetery as the Thomas W. O'Connor Spring City American Legion Post 602 hosted Memorial Day services Monday morning.

Despite cloudy skies looming overhead, the 25-minute ceremony began and ended before any rainfall.
The services began with a procession of the Color Guard and Firing Squad from the American Legion Post 602, the Sons of the Legion, and members of the Phoenixville Council of Knights of Columbus. The men walked to the gravesite of the late Bernard McKernan, who was a British soldier reputed as being the last survivor of the famed Charge of the Light Brigade in the Crimean War. The words of Alfred Lord Tennyson's famous poem are engraved on the tombstone on McKernan's grave. George Emery, Finance Officer, American Legion, welcomed the crowd to the ceremony.
"We're here this morning to honor all of our fallen veterans," said Emery. The Reverend Gary Kramer, pastor, St. Mary's Church, Phoenixville, gave the invocation.
American Legion Commander William T. Orner III addressed the audience. "Again our nation has assembled to honor its heroic dead," said Orner. "A thousand battles of land, sea and air echo the glory of their valiant deeds. Under the quiet sod, or beneath the murmuring waves, their bodies sleep in peace. But in the destinies of veterans, their souls go marching on. Because of them, our lives are free, and because of them, our nation lives." Orner concluded his speech by saying, "Comrades, on this Memorial Day, let us pledge ourselves anew to patriotic service. Let us make ourselves the friend and brother, son and father, of those who will not see their own again in mortal flesh. Let us grasp with fearless hands the Flag so nobly born before, and, like those others, plant it always on the battlements of righteousness."
Emery then asked Donald Hartzell, Sergeant at Arms, American Legion, to deposit some flowers upon the grave.
These are a token of our appreciation," said Emery. "These flowers may wither, but the spirit of which they are the symbol will endure until the end of time."
Following a hand salute, the Firing Squad, consisting of five men, lined up, and at Emery's order, fired three shots towards the sky. Mike Solick of Phoenixville played "Taps" on his bugle.
Reverend Kramer closed the ceremony by offering the benediction. "Memorial Day is about coming together to remember those who gave their lives for us," said Kramer.
Following the ceremony, Kelly Falone of Valley Forge said she wanted to attend a service before going to her family's picnic. "I have uncles who've served in the military," said Falone. "I wanted to come here so I could think of them and all that they'd done for our country. A lot of people think Memorial Day is just for having fun. It is to remember those who made sacrifices for our freedom."
Spring City mayor Michael Weiss said the ceremony was wonderful. "I loved the service," said Weiss. "It's great to see the attendance increase every year. This is a great way to remember our veterans. My service is minimal compared to those who serve our country."

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18408796&BRD=1306&PAG=461&dept_id=187830&rfi=6
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 17 March 08 17:29 GMT (UK)


Pte William Pennington

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9B0CEFDC1039E433A25755C1A9669D94669ED7CF

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The enemy guns firing over the heads of the cavalry at the British horse artillery caused Pte. William Pennington to remark later, "I recall how some of us more nervous fellows were bowing our heads over our horse's manes" and how angry and indignant was the tone of Major Peel's remonstrance, "What the hell are you bobbing your heads at."

http://www.chargeofthelightbrigade.com/11H/2_.html

http://www.rootschat.com/links/030n/

http://www.medalcollector.co.uk/pdf/1386a.pdf

http://www.medalcollector.co.uk/pdf/1386b.pdf

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The Light Brigade (Balaclava) Fund had two beneficiaries remaining at the beginning of 1923.

William Henry Pennington, trumpeter, 11th Hussars, died on May 1 1923, aged 91, leaving just one remaining beneficiary:  Edwin Hughes, Troop Sergeant Major 13th Hussars aged 92

( Source - The Times July 5 1923, speech by the Duke of Connaught at the annual meeting of the Royal Patriotic Fund)

Page 288

http://www.rootschat.com/links/030o/

http://shakespeare.emory.edu/actordisplay.cfm?actorid=39

book - mrs tom kelly from the fleet in the fifties

* EJ Boys - Pennington Pte William 1631 11th H

george waldron ??
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 17 March 08 18:02 GMT (UK)

Pte   Henry Cheshire - Rode in Charge - severely wounded - died February 1912.

http://genforum.genealogy.com/crimeanwar/messages/144.html

But .... according to this medal roll ........ he wasn't there !!  ::)

No       Rank       Name                  Medal Alma Inkerman Balaklava Sevastopol
3530   Corporal  Henry  Cheshire    Yes                                               Yes         Camp before Sevastopol 10th Sep. 1855

*EJ Boys - Cheshire Pte   Henry   1201   8th H
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 17 March 08 18:18 GMT (UK)



William Henry Cory

This grave was found in a churchyard in South Carolina ! .... I can't find this soldier ! ( unless he changed his name !!  ::) )

http://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=5827

William Henry Cory Born in Clapham, England May 2,1831 Survivor of the famous charge of the Light Brigade at Balaclaya, Oct. 25, 1854. Served in Confederate Army 1862-1865 Died Jan. 29, 1893

Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 17 March 08 18:44 GMT (UK)


William Charles Harris b. November 2nd 1830 d. October 5th 1900

http://www.rootschat.com/links/030q/

These snippets are all I could find !!  :-\

*EJ Boys - Harris Pte William (1) 1159 8th H
                 Harris Pte William (2) 1221 8th H


Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 17 March 08 18:47 GMT (UK)


A fine tombstone stands over the grave of John Duggan, late private in the 17th Lancers and survivor of the Charge of the Light Brigade at Balaklava and the battles of Alma and Sevastopol (and Inkerman, which is doubtful, Duggan being in hospital at the time of the battle) during the Crimean campaign. Duggan was a Drogheda man who had a somewhat chequered military record: on his discharge from the Army he was employed as Sexton in St. Peter’s where he served from **c1773 until his death in 1881.

http://drogheda.armagh.anglican.org/history

*EJ Boys - Duggan   Pte   John   579   17th L

** I think this should be 1873 !
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 17 March 08 18:50 GMT (UK)

Saturday, Mar. 03, 1923

Died -  Thomas W. Shaw, 91, London, Ont. He was the last survivor of the Light Brigade, which in 1854 made the famous charge on a Russian battery at Balaklava in the Crimean War. He was wounded in the charge and nursed by Florence Nightingale.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,881392,00.html?iid=chix-sphere

All I can find is a Thomas "Shore" in the 1st Dragoons !! .... wonder if this soldier changed his name ??
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: Kevwood on Monday 17 March 08 19:38 GMT (UK)
Have you got this one yet Annie,

Highland Road Cemetery, Portsmouth, England

James Abbott d. 1913
survivor of the "Charge of the Light Brigade", 1854

Kev.




Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 17 March 08 19:48 GMT (UK)


He's on my list of todos !!  ;D ;D ;D but I don't have him yet Kev ( at least I don't think so !!  ::) )

We really need a summary ..... we'll get there eventually !!  :) :)
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 17 March 08 19:56 GMT (UK)



I've had a bit of a problem with this one ... everytime I try and research the club .... I get all these strip clubs !!  ::) ::) ::)

The Huntoons shared space with five of the forty very active real estate companies of the booming town plus dozens of doctors, dentists and lawyers, and the Cascade Gentleman's Club on the west side of the top floor, founded by boomer James F. Wardner and managed by Captain Grahame, survivor of the Charge of the Light Brigade of Balaklava

http://www.stumpranchonline.com/skagitjournal/Upriver/Uto-Conc/Huntoons-Hamilton-Anacortes.html

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The Cascade Gentleman's Club on the west side of the top floor was managed by Captain Grahame, survivor of the Charge of the Light Brigade of Balaklava, and Wardner could keep his finger on the pulse of the young town by stopping by for coffee or brandy in the afternoons.

Mason Block, 1200-1206 Harris Avenue

The shop on 12th Street originally housed the office of leading Fairhaven investment bankers Roland G. Gamwell and Charles F. Warner. The upper stories were originally offices but the rooms in later years were devoted to housekeeping. During the palmy days of old Fairhaven, a suite of rooms on the third floor served as headquarters for the Cascade Club, an exclusive men's social organization which was host to distinguished visitors to the area, including well-traveled lecturer Mark Twain.

http://www.stumpranchonline.com/skagitjournal/Washington/Whatcom/Fairhaven/WardnerJames.html

Feb 24th 1894 New York Times

Captain W C B Graham - a survivor of the famous charge of the Light Brigade at Balaklava died in Whatcom Washington yesterday

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9D04E2DA1F39E033A25756C2A9649C94659ED7CF


*EJ Boys - Graham ORC William 961 17th L
             
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 17 March 08 20:05 GMT (UK)

Charge of the Light Brigade ... killed in action Crimea medal to Private Edward Loftus 17th Lancers

Edward Loftus was born in Powerstock, near Bridport in Devon and that he was a labourer prior to his enlistment on 26th June 1832.
Pte Edward Loftus is listed as confirmed killed in the charge Only those killed, wounded, taken prisoner or referred to in witness statements or correspondence can be confirmed as having taken part in the charge. Of the 157 men killed in the charge, 23 men from the 17th Lancers are listed as killed.

The Crimea Medal with 3 clasps, Alma, Balaklava and Sebastopol awarded to E. Loftus, 17th Lancers, sold in the February 14th sale for £1,610

*EJ Boys - Loftus   Pte   Edward   389   17th L


Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 17 March 08 20:15 GMT (UK)

I'm wondering if by any chance - this Thomas Griffiths - could be the same soldier as - Thomas Griffin died 1896 in America ??

http://www.chargeofthelightbrigade.com/allmen/allmenG/allmenG_13LD/griffiths_t_1301_13LD/griffiths_t_1301_13LD.html

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As the flood of 1844 had all but demolished Illinois Town, so too the cyclone which on May 27, 1896, drove into the city like battery fire and demolished the area bordering Broadway from the river to the Cahokia Creek viaduct. The present business section was severely damaged. Fire broke out and raged unchecked. Steamers foundered in the Mississippi and the entire east approach of the Eads Bridge was torn away. The residential district on "the island" was demolished. One hundred and eight persons were killed and over two-hundred were wounded. Among the dead was Thomas Griffin, a survivor of the celebrated charge made by the Light Brigade at Balaklava during the Crimean War

http://riverweb.cet.uiuc.edu/Archives/fwp/EarlyHistory.html
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Tuesday 18 March 08 00:24 GMT (UK)

Jerome Napoleon (1830-93).

Studied at West Point 1848-52, was breveted 2nd lieutenant in the Mounted Rifles. Served in Texas 1853-54, resigned Aug. 1854. Became a 2nd lieutenant, 7th reg. Dragons, French Imperial Army in Sep. 1854. Served as staff officer to general Morris, 1st division Cavalry, at Balaklava, Inkerman, Tchernaia, and the siege of Sebastopol (1854-55). 1st lieutenant 1855. Order of Medjidie (Turkey), Legion of Honor (France), Crimean medal (Britain). Transferred to the 1st reg. Chasseurs d'Afrique, served in Algeria (1856-57). Captain 1859. Served in Italy: Montebello, Solferino (1859). Order of Military Valor (Sardinia). Transferred to 1st reg. Carabiniers 1860. Chef d'escadron (major) 1865. Transferred to Empress' Dragoons reg. 1867. Lieutenant-colonel 1870. Served in the siege of Paris 1870-71. Resigned from the French Army 1871, returned to the United States. Married in 1871 Caroline Le Roy Appleton Edgar, d. of Samuel and Julia Webster Appleton, widow of Newbold Edgar

http://www.rootschat.com/links/030t/



Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Tuesday 18 March 08 21:01 GMT (UK)


Shaun J just sent me this one ..... can't find him either .... maybe it's just my eyes !!  ::) ::) ::)

Or George Aldrich !! .... oh boy !! :-\

Well John Bunyan ( "I saw a man clothed with rags … a book in his hand and a great burden upon his back." ) was born in Elstow Bedfordshire and married at age 21 !!..... and William Cowper ( the poet ) was the son of a Hertfordshire rector  and Cook was born in relatively humble circumstances in the village of Marton in North Yorkshire today a suburb belonging to the town of Middlesbrough !! so where was our man - Captain EM Haynes from then ??  :-\

St. Louis Globe-Democrat, (St. Louis, MO) Sunday, May 07, 1882; pg. 7; Issue 351; col C


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Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 19 March 08 00:08 GMT (UK)



Tennyson's last years were crowned with many honors especially after "The Charge of the Light Brigade " ..... 
the widowed Queen Victoria ranked "In Memoriam" next to the Bible as a solace in her grief ( though I have to say "The Lady of Shalott " was always my favourite !! )
and in 1883 Tennyson was awarded a peerage.
Alfred Lord Tennyson continued writing into his eighties - and died on 6 October 1892 aged 83. He was buried in solemn state at Westminster Abbey on 12 October 1892 and veterans of Balaclava lined the aisle.

He was succeeded as 2nd Baron Tennyson by his son Hallam - who produced an authorised biography of his father in 1897 and was later the second Governor-General of Australia !




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Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 19 March 08 04:11 GMT (UK)


Major Augustus Saltren Willett was a Devonshire man - the eldest son of John Saltren Willet Esq. of Petticombe Monkleigh North Devon.

In the last of Lieutenant John Henry Thompson's letters dated October 23rd - two days before he fell - he wrote, "I have another melancholy bit of news to close this letter with - the awfully sudden death of our poor Major from cholera in eleven hours -  we were going to bury him this morning"
* John Henry Thompson Lieutenant 17th Lancers was killed by a round shot while taking part with his regiment in the heroic Charge of the Light Brigade at Balaklava, 25th October, 1854.

A kinsman of Major Saltren Willett - Archibald Cleveland of Tapeley Park Instow Devon was also in the 17th Lancers. He was appointed to the Regiment in 1852 as Cornet -  rode unwounded through the Balaklava Charge but was killed at Inkerman on November the 5th ....
* Archibald Cleveland  Cornet 17th Lancers was at the battle of the Alma - charged the rearguard of the Russians, and took several prisoners - shared in the glorious charge of the Light Cavalry at the battle of Balaklava where his horse was mortally wounded - at the battle of Inkerman he was struck by a shell and died of his wound on the following morning 6th November 1854 !

http://www.westleigh-devon.gov.uk/sites/tapeley.htm

*EJ Boys -
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Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 19 March 08 04:16 GMT (UK)



John Platt Winter - Captain of the 17th Lancers.

On the flank march to Balaklava - his troop were ordered to charge the Russian rearguard at Mackenzie's Farm - where they took several prisoners and a quantity of baggage. On 25th October 1854 in the heroic charge of the Light Cavalry at Balaklava, he led the second squadron of his regiment and was seen to fall close to the enemy's guns just as the retreat was sounded - his horse severely wounded by grapeshot, galloped back to the English Lines.

*EJ Boys - Winter Cpt John 17th L
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Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 19 March 08 04:44 GMT (UK)


Captain William Morris  was born at Fishleigh in the Parish of Hatherleigh on December  the 18th 1820. He was the eldest son of William Cholmeley    Morris Esq., of  Fishleigh and Inwardleigh (who matriculated Queens College, Oxford in 1812) by Jane second daughter of James, fourth son of William Mallet Esq. of Ash in the Parish of Iddesleigh !!

Morris exchanged from half pay with the 16th Lancers to the 17th Lancers in February 1847, and joined that Regiment in Dublin. He went to study at the Senior Department of the Royal Military College at Sandhurst in 1849 and passed out with a first class certificate in 1851 and
with extra honours - he became a Captain by purchase the same year.
In 1852 Captain Morris married Amelia, third daughter of Major-General Taylor C.B. of Ogwell, Devon, a Waterloo Officer, late 10th Hussars and at that time  Lieutenant-Governor of the Royal Military College.
In 1854 when the war with Russia broke out, he was appointed Deputy  Assistant Quartermaster General,and accompanied the army to Turkey in April of  that year - while engaged at Varna in the duties of his office he was taken ill with  cholera - so was unable to cross with the Army to the Crimea in September, but had recovered sufficiently to join the Headquarter Staff in October before Sebastopol.
   
Very soon after his arrival, he relinquished his Staff appointment to take command of the 17th Lancers -  Major Saltren Willett the Senior Officer present with the Regiment, having died with cholera. Here is part of his story .......

Unwounded he rode past the Batteries with some twenty of his men and came upon a Regiment of Hussars - as he was approaching them he turned round and shouted, "Now remember what I have told you men, and keep together."
Then putting spurs into his charger,"Old Treasurer" he drove full at the squadron confronting him - his sword passed through the body of the Squadron leader but now a Regiment  of Cossacks came to the support of the Hussars, and before Morris could withdraw his sword from the body of the Russian, he received a sabre cut to the left side of his head  and another deep cut which penetrated his skull.
He fell off his horse, stunned. When he recovered consciousness he rose to his feet and endeavoured to defend himself with his sword, but a lance of one of the Cossacks pierced his temple.
He thought his end had come - when a Russian Officer struck up two or three of the Cossack lances and called upon him to surrender, so he yielded up his sword - the Officer to whom Morris had surrendered disappeared, and he found himself at the mercy of the Cossacks, who rushed in upon him and plundered him of all he had about him.
Believing that they intended to kill him, he ran into a volume of smoke, and catching the rein of a riderless horse, was dragged by it for some distance, but soon fell and became again unconscious.
When he regained his senses he managed to mount another riderless horse, and rode as fast as he could back up the valley, but a shot killed the horse and, his strength now exhausted, after staggering on for a bit, he fell and for a third time lost  consciousness.
The Surgeon of the Inniskilling Dragoons - James Mouat - gallantly volunteered to ride out to his assistance, and under fire, dressed his wounds and thus his life was saved.
   
For this act Mouat received the Victoria Cross,

http://www.medalcollector.co.uk/pdf/1350.pdf

Sacred to the memory of
WILLIAM MORRIS
of Fishleigh, Devon,
Brevet Lieut.-Colonel and Major
Her Majesty's 17th Lancers
Companion of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath
Knight of the Legion of Honour
And Companion of the Third Class of the
Imperial Order of the Medjidie,
Deputy Assistant Adjutant-General
Of Her Majesty's Forces, Bombay,
Who departed this life 11th July 1858

Morris - Lieutenant-Colonel William, C.B. - 17th Lancers - died 11th July 1858.
Son of William Cholmeley Morris and Jane Mallet, born at Fishleigh, Hatherleigh, Devon, 18th December 1820. Served (with 16th Lancers) at Maharajpore (star), Aliwal (wounded) and Sobroan (medal) and Crimea (17th Lancers, medal). Husband of Amelia Taylor (daughter of Major-General Taylor C.B. of Ogwell, Devon, late 10th Hussars (served Waterloo) and Lieutenant-Governor of the Royal Military College.
Memorial at Poona church - "Sacred to the memory of William Morris of Fishleigh, Devon, Brevet Lieut.-Colonel and Major Her Majesty's 17th Lancers Companion of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath Knight of the Legion of Honour And Companion of the Third Class of the Imperial Order of the Medjidie, Deputy Assistant Adjutant-General Of Her Majesty's Forces, Bombay, who departed this life 11th July 1858, at Poona. This tablet is erected by his Brother Officers as a mark of esteem for his character as a friend and a distinguished soldier. Maharajpore  Sobraon Budiwal Balaklava Aliwal Sebastopol."

http://members.tripod.com/Glosters/offzdiedm.htm

*EJ Boys - Cpt   William Morris 17th Lancers
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Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 19 March 08 04:50 GMT (UK)



James Mouat was born on April 14 1815 at Chatham Kent the son of Surgeon James Mouat MD who was medical officer to the 23rd, 25th, 21st, 16th,13th, F., 4th and 15th Dragoons. His uncle was Dr F.J. Mouat distinguished in the Indian Civil Medical Service.

James Mouat, the son, was educated at University College Hospital London - became MRCS in 1837, and proceeded FRCS in 1852. One year after qualification he joined the 44th Regiment of Foot as Assistant Surgeon. Ten years later he was promoted Surgeon and served throughout the Crimean Campaign with the 6th Dragoons, where he was also in charge of the General Field Hospital of the 3rd Division. He was present at the Fall of Sebastopol, the Battles of Tehernaya and Inkerman, and at the charge of the Light Brigade at Balaklava his gallantry resulted in the award of the Victoria Cross -

"Date of act of Bravery - 26th Oct 1854. For having voluntarily proceeded to the assistance of Lieut. Colonel Morris, CB, 17th Lancers, who was lying dangerously wounded in an exposed position after the retreat of Light Cavalry at the Battle of Balaklava, and having dressed the officer's wounds in the presence and under a heavy fire of the enemy. Thus by stopping a severe haemorrhage, he assisted in saving that officer's life".

During the campaign Surgeon Mouat was appointed to the French Legion of Honour, and gained the Crimean Medal with three clasps. In 1855 he was promoted Surgeon Major, and a year later was appointed a Commander of the Order of the Bath. Aged 43 he was given the rank of Deputy Inspector General of Hospitals whilst serving in Turkey.
From 1860 to 1861 and again from 1863 to 1865 he served in New Zealand in the Maori Wars, during the latter campaign as Inspector General of Hospitals, being promoted to Surgeon General in 1864. The New Zealand government voted him "special thanks for his valuable Services to the Colony", he was mentioned in despatches and was awarded the campaign medal.
Surgeon General Mouat retired in 1876, was appointed an honorary Surgeon to the Queen in 1888, and a Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath in 1894.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=7707116
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Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 19 March 08 15:18 GMT (UK)

Lt Frederick Henry Cheshire was born in Whipton in 1833. He was a member of the 8th Hussars who made that fateful charge at Balaclava on the 27th April 1854, when he lost a leg in the action. The Light Brigade consisted of the 8th and 11th Hussars, 4th and 13th Light Dragoons and the 17th Lancers, under the command of Major General the Earl of Cardigan. The action was a disaster and 118 men were killed, 127 wounded, and 362 horses lost

FREDERICK HENRY CHESHIRE
LATE 8TH HUSSARS
ONE OF THE SIX HUNDRED
WHO DIED FEB. 16TH 1912
AGED 79

http://www.exetermemories.co.uk/EM/exetergraves.html

Trumpeter James Donoghue

There is a second survivor from the Charge of the Light Brigade buried in Exeter. Trumpeter James Donoghue enlisted in 1848 and sailed for the Crimea on the H T Medora in April 1854. He had his horse shot from under him in the charge. He later became the Band Master of the 1st (Exeter and South Devon) Volunteer Regiment and lived in Blackboy Road. His burial place is currently unknown.


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Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 19 March 08 16:55 GMT (UK)



I am a little confused here !!  ::) ( I know .. I know !! ) have I mixed and matched can anybody tell me !  :-\

But I have 2 men who were trumpeters and both named John Brown !! there are two John Browns in EJ Boys .... but only one is a trumpeter .....  :-\

Inscription on the Memorial Stone

Near here is the grave of
Trumpeter John Brown 1815-1898
who sounded the trumpet for
the 17th Lancers at the Charge
of the Light Brigade Balaclava
25th October 1854

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/Lichfield/StMichael/picture1.html

* EJ Boys - Brown Trmptr John (2) 476 17th L

and then ... there is this guy .........

'Trumpeter' John Brown born 28th March 1834 died 26th February 1905
Enroled at age 14yrs as a 'boy' bandsman.
Served 'in the ranks' of the 17th Lancers for 14yrs 285 days
(during 4yrs and 360 days he was 'under age'.)
Cornet and Adjutant 17th Lancers 23 Mar 1867
Lieutenant 30 Oct 1869
Captain 12 Feb 1879
Appointed Paymaster 17th Lancers 18 Feb 1879
(Hon) Major, Paymaster 79th Cameron Highlanders 18 Feb 1884
Staff Paymaster 27 Mar 1889
Retired (Hon) Lt.-Colonel 28 Mar 1894.

Campaign Medals
Crimea British 3 clasps and Turkish
Indian Mutiny 1858-59
Zulu War 1879
Egypt British 1884-85 'Nile' clasp, and Khedive's star

As Trumpeter in the 17th Lancers, he took part in the 'Charge of The Light Brigade' at Balaclava. (25th October, 1854)
He was severely wounded at Tchernaya and at the siege of Sebastopol
buried Mount Jerome Cemetery Dublin Ireland

http://www.1879memorials.com/wb17lcrs/jbrown.html

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Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 19 March 08 17:58 GMT (UK)

I have never seen an obituary like this ..........  ::) ::)


A. W. Kinglake
1811-1891


Obituary Notice The Times Saturday January 3 1891

THE death of Mr. Kinglake, which took place at his London residence on Friday afternoon can only be regarded as a merciful release from sufferings endured with characteristic fortitude. For long his life must have been somewhat burdensome. Though he loved to seclude himself with his work and his books, to the last he was eminently sociable, and his growing deafness must have been exquisitely trying to a man who was morbidly sensitive to the finesse of intellect and the refinements of thought.
But more serious trials were to follow - Cancer laid hold of the roots of the tongue and painful operations only brought temporary relief. The pen fell from the hand of the brilliant historian, and it was sad for his friends to have their inquiries as to his health answered by the Sister of Charity who acted as his amanuensis - subsequently he rallied wonderfully and almost recovered any cheerfulness he had lost.
Nearly to the last so far as possible, he had been faithful to his old habits and to his favourite haunts. His mother, as he tells us in Eothen  had taught him in earliest childhood to find a home in the saddle - but many years ago as he felt infirmities stealing upon him - he had given up his morning canters in the Park. Till recently the best part of his days were spent in the bright rooms in Hyde Park Place, looking through the smoke of Belgravia to the Surrey Hills. There he never seemed to consider a visit an intrusion so long as the caller was in any way congenial.
His -  in the latter and even in earlier days was always a kind of busy idleness. Perpetually occupied and even consenting to much indispensable drudgery, he would always take his own time, and passively protest against being over-driven. Sacks of Crimean correspondence might be seen standing at his elbow, which his patient acuteness was to overhaul in due course. Very late in the afternoon he would take a cab down to Pall-Mall, where his clubs, the Travellers' and the Athenaeum, stand conveniently side by side. The Athenaeum was his habitual place of resort. He was something of a bon vivant, and his petit diner soigne would, be served, as a rule, at the small round table, in the north-eastern corner of the dining-room.
Till death stepped in to make a melancholy clearance, the same quartette was to be seen there most evenings, although there might often be an additional guest. There was Mr. Hayward, one of Kinglake's closest and dearest friends, who, like Kinglake, had been gradually giving up general society; there was also Mr. Chenery, and Sir Henry Bunbury. The privileged strangers admitted to the select little company were sure to carry away delightful impressions, especially when Kinglake and Hayward could be led on to cap reminiscences. Both the men had marvellous memories; both had the art of giving point and picturesqueness to anecdotes; both had known more or less intimately almost every one who was worth the knowing, and could hit off a high character in a single sharp touch with an appropriate reminiscence by way of illustration.
A milder-mannered man than Mr. Kinglake never lived. He had the gentle and courteous formality of the old school; and he would breathe out a stinging epigram with a deprecatory softness that appeared oddly incongruous. It needed some such reminder to persuade you that the kindly and soft-spoken gentleman could be a terrible and most inveterate enemy, when he chose to consider it his mission to advocate a cause or assail a reputation. Possibly he might have made his mark at the Bar had he stuck to it; but his temperament was more that of the advocate or of the criminal prosecutor than of the Judge. He could see but a single side of a case, and as he read up his brief and assimilated his materials, prepossessions and prejudices grew to settled convictions. Thenceforward the obtaining a verdict became a matter of pride and conscience with the historian. No one knew better how to tone down the virulence of invective by admissions in favour of the victim, more damaging than the most stinging sarcasm. But at all events, he had one qualification of the capable Judge - he serenely set at defiance men whose regard he must have valued. There was no questioning his literary courage, and it was of a somewhat rare kind, as he had exceptional opportunities of showing. In his history he dealt hard measure indiscriminately to the leading members of the Houses of Commons in which he sat - to some of the men who gave the laws to London society - even to the chiefs of the party he consistently supported.
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Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 19 March 08 18:03 GMT (UK)

continued .......


The eldest son of Mr. Kinglake of Wiltonhouse, near Taunton, Alexander William Kinglake was born in 1811. He has said something in Eothen of his earliest education. "The most humble and pious of women was yet so proud a mother that she could teach her first-born son no Watts's Hymns - no collects for the day; she could teach him in earliest childhood no less than this - to find a home in his saddle and to love old Homer and all that Homer sung." The light of those "heroic days" was overclouded when he went to school, doomed to grind over "vile, monkish, doggerel grammars and graduses, etc.," and from a private school it was a relief to be sent to Eton, where he could at least go his own way out of school hours and indulge his favourite tastes.
He was to complete an irregular education by travel, for shortly after graduating at Cambridge he started on his memorable Eastern tour, and Eothen was the result. Slight as it professed to be, its publication was characteristically deferred, and he is said literally to have laid to heart the sarcastic advice of Pope, when the Twickenham sage counsels a writer to keep his piece for nine years. Eothen came out in 1844, and the writer, like Byron, awoke to find himself famous. There was a charm and a freshness about these sketches of travel, which recommended them at once to all cultivated readers. We may be sure, from what we know of Kinglake's subsequent literary methods, that during those nine years of incubation the file had been assiduously applied, and that the first careless familiarity of the language had been studiously revised.
In 1837 he had been called to the Bar; but he took to the work listlessly, and probably with neither the intention nor expectation of succeeding. With politics it was very different. From first to last he was a keen and earnest politician, at least on questions that chanced to interest him or appeal to his sympathies. He was a man with quiet ambitions, and a full consciousness of his own remarkable powers, and, doubtless, on entering for a Parliamentary career, he dreamed of far higher distinction than he attained. Be that as it may, in the spring of 1857 he was brought in as a Liberal for Bridgwater - a borough in his own county. He had hardly sat in the House for a year when we find him moving the first amendment against the Conspiracy Bill. The matter of the speech is excellent; occasionally he rose to the occasion in passages of genuine eloquence; but the manner of his delivery was far from impressive, and his feebleness of voice was greatly against him. He failed to hold the attention of an assembly which missed the essential links in his arguments.


It goes on and on and on ........... I have the full thing if anybody's REALLY interested !!  :D :D

The Invasion of the Crimea

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0313/

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Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 19 March 08 20:19 GMT (UK)


I just can't resist this beauty ........ how wonderful is this ??   :) :'(  I'm not sure if this is attached to the next one ... but I have sent an email to ask !

http://www.flickr.com/photos/guy_hatton/510995863/in/photostream/


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Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 19 March 08 20:23 GMT (UK)


Grove Road cemetery Harrogate   Sgt Maj Johnston

* EJ Boys - Johnston Pte John 735 8th H
                  Johnston Pte Robert 1126 8th H
                  Johnston, Johnson Pte William 1525 8th H

http://www.flickr.com/photos/guy_hatton/510995863/in/photostream/

Harrogate Advertiser - 8th December 1885

The Late Sergeant Major Johnston

This Balaclava hero, it will be remembered, died at Harrogate in 1882, and his funeral was attended with those military honours which so truly befit the interment of those who took part, as the late Sergeant Major Johnston did, in the famous Balaclava charge.
It was thought advisable to memorialise the death of this hero by the erection of a suitable monument to his memory in the Harrogate Cemetery, and with this intention a few of his admirers formed themselves into a committee to solicit subscriptions.
In due course the committee placed the order for the tombstone into the hands of Mr Thomas Potts, sculptor, Cemetery Road, Harrogate, and a handsome and suitable monument has been prepared by him, which now awaits erection over the grave of the deceased soldier.
It is made from the best Bolton Wood stone, and weighs in the aggregate over 2½ tons. At the base of the stone is an elaborate carving of the famous "War" picture after Landseer, and the manner in which this particular part of the work has been done reflects the greatest credit upon the sculptor, who has spared neither labour nor pains to give the tombstone an imposing and attractive appearance.
It is surmounted by a Maltese cross, and stands nearly eight feet in height. The top is worked in "broken ornament" pattern, and the stone is further beautified by small green granite pillars, placed on each side of the description, which reads as follows -
"This monument was erected by voluntary subscriptions to the memory of Sergeant Major Johnston, late of the 8th KRI Hussars, who died November 28th, 1882, aged 49 years. He was one of the survivors of 'The gallant Six Hundred', in 'The Charge of the Light Brigade', October 25th, 1854, and served in the following engagements with his regiment : Alma, Balaclava, Inkerman, Tchernaya, Bulganak, McKenzie's Farm, Kertch, Tennakale, Kotah, Chundares, Kotahkeserai, Gwalior, Powree, Sindwhad, Koorwye, Koondrye, and Boordah.

'When can their glory fade?
Oh! The wild charge they made,
All the world wondered.
Honour the charge they made,
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble Six Hundred'.


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Post by: forester on Wednesday 19 March 08 20:55 GMT (UK)
Daniel Dowling

From
"Syracuse Herald Journal", Syracuse, New York
24th October 1954
Light Brigade Vet lived in Sangerfield
By George W. Walter


ONEIDA-Monday will mark the 100th anniversary of the Charge of the Light Brigade in the Crimean War, immortalised in the famous poem by Alfred Lord Tennyson. In Omeida and Madison Counties only a few people now remember that Daniel Dowling, formerly of Sangerfield, was the last surviving Crimean War veteran of the immortal Charge. Dowling died in Rome, July 15, 1913, at the age of 81.

DAN DOWLING was born in County Carlow, Ireland, in 1832, a member of a large family...........
..........He enlisted in the British Army when war fever swept through the British Isles in January 1854, just a few weeks before England joined with France and Turkey to sweep Russia from the Baltic and Crimea. Dowling became one of the cavalrymen in the Light Brigade.

On Oct. 25 1854, he was with the 700 members of the Brigade under Lord Cardigan, stationed at the western end of the valley under the heights of Chersonese, awaiting orders to plunge into the Battle of Balaclava. The English Heavy Brigade had already attacked.

In a desperate effort to recapture Turkish guns lost in the morning fighting, Lord Raglan gave the order for the Light Brigade to try and prevent the Russians from removing the guns. The orders became hopelessly jumbled in their transmission and the Light Brigade rode directly into the Russian guns.....into the Valley of Death. The Brigade would have been annihilated if it had not been for the brilliant charge of the French 4th Chasseurs d'Afrique against the Fedoukine Hills. Only 200 of the Light Brigade survived. One of them was Dan Dowling.

He fought bravely through the war. In the Battle of Inkerman he was struck by a shell fragment in the head and was badly wounded. He was taken to one of the crude hospitals that was in the charge of a brave English nurse named Florence Nightingale.

After his wound healed he returned to duty. After the treaty of peace he saw service at other British outposts at Malta, in Egypt, Australia and South America.

Letters from home related that two of his brothers, William and John Dowling, had migrated to the United States. Dan Dowling resigned from the army when he had only one year more to serve to obtain a life pension.

A younger sister, Margaret Dowling, married young and with her husband, moved to Australia. She was never heard from again, although Dan Dowling travelled twice around the world searching for her.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/letters4.htm

Obituary to follow.........

Phil :)



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Post by: forester on Wednesday 19 March 08 21:40 GMT (UK)
An obituary for Daniel Dowling appeared in a Special to the New York Times on the 16th July 1913.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0315/

Light Brigade Hero Dies
Daniel Dowling Rode in the famous British Charge at Balaclava


"Utica, July 15.-In the County Almshouse in Rome today died a survivor of the Charge of the Light Brigade at Balaclava on Oct. 25 1854. He was Daniel Dowling, born in Carlow, Ireland, in 1832. He enlisted in the British Army, going at once into the Crimean Peninsular, where he was in many battles. He was one of the very few who came out of the charge of the six hundred without a wound, and not until the battle of Inkerman was he wounded.
After the Crimean War Dowling went to many places, fighting for England. He saw service in Malta, Egypt, India, Australia and South America. He came to the United States with the intention of joining the Union Army. When he was on his way here the surrender of Lee was made.
Dowlings only sister had gone with her husband to South America. He began a search for her and for years travelled in many countries on his quest, which never was successful. He had distant relatives in this region and came here to live, taking up farming. Age coming on, he was compelled to seek the almshouse.
The veteran had all his discharge papers, but he never recieved any assistance from the British Government. Among the few possessions he retained to the last were the spurs he wore in the famous charge and a copy of Tennyson's poem."

*He does not appear on EJ Boys or Lawrence Crider's lists

Phil
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Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 19 March 08 21:46 GMT (UK)


Wonder if his second name ... or real name was Patrick - Phil ??

* EJBoys - Dowling   Pte   Patrick   1027   17th L
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Post by: forester on Wednesday 19 March 08 22:07 GMT (UK)
Patrick Dowling is entered as killed or missing here:

http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/alma.html

On "Believed to have Charged" he is entered as wounded and mentioned on the Casualty Rolls.



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Post by: Boltonmets on Wednesday 19 March 08 22:51 GMT (UK)
Hi All,

I have just read all your information about Richard Brown of the 11th Hussars. He was present at the charge of the light brigade. He is my 3 x great grandads brother. I only had confirmation that this was my man this week end so all the information you posted was brilliant. Esp the headstone photos!
If there is any more information you can give me or advice on where to go to next for more info I would be very gratefull.

Thanks

Boltonmets
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Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 19 March 08 23:20 GMT (UK)

Hi Boltonmets and welcome to RootsChat !! :)

I love to hear that !!  .... almost as good as finding my own !!  :D :D :D

Keep watching this space ... you never know what might see !!  :)

What do you have already ?

Annie  :)
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Post by: Boltonmets on Wednesday 19 March 08 23:49 GMT (UK)
Hi again.

Richard Brown was born in 1825 in Ryton Kirby Misperton, Yorkshire. He was the son of William Brown. (my Great X4 Grandad) In the 1851 Census I found him in 11th Hussars barracks in Norwich. I sent for his dischage papers to confirm I had the right man which came and confirmed this to be true. I found a web site that confirmed Private 1153 Richard Brown rode at the charge of the light brigade.

I am interested in where to go next with my research and would be very gratefull of any extra information any one may have on him. (ESP PHOTOS!!)
I am also after any further information on his father William (born Leeds between 1776-79) and mother Hannah Brown if any one can help as Brown is a nightmare name to trace!!!!!

Thanks again for all the info already gained from rootschat it has been very helpful.

Cheers

Chris
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Post by: forester on Thursday 20 March 08 14:31 GMT (UK)
Hello Chris,

Just hang on in this thread ;D
You never know what turns up.
It's just hard slog on search engines mostly that has rooted out the information.
Have you managed to find anything at the National Archives on Richard Brown, such as discharge papers etc?

Thanks for the link.
They are all there; 19 pages of them from Cardigan, Douglas etc onwards, including wives and children.

HO 107/1813  folio 366 page 2..............

Cavalry Barracks
Pockthorpe
Norwich

Phil

Edit: Ignore the line about discharge papers Chris; brains not engaging properly ;D
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Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 20 March 08 15:32 GMT (UK)


I LOVE that census !! .... what a historical document that is !!  :) :)

By the way the two photos I posted are connected !! they're both the same monument !!  :)

I'm still looking Chris ! .... just so you know !!  :D :D :D
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Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 20 March 08 21:36 GMT (UK)



Thomas George Johnson b 1824 ( ? ) Maidstone Kent - son of John William Johnson b 1805 at Maidstone Kent

Thomas George Johnson joined 4th Light Dragoons as a private in 1837 ( ? ) and became a trumpeter two years later. He transferred into the 13th as a private in 1846 - rising to Sergeant on 25th May 1853. He took part in the Charge of the Light Brigade and was promoted to RSM eleven days afterwards. Three years later he was given a commission with the rank of Cornet, rising to Lieutenant and Adjutant on 30th may 1860. By May 1866, he was a Captain and Musketry Instructor. He retired by sale of commission 10th November 1869. Retired to Scarborough as manager of The Royal Hotel  - died 24 May 1908 aged 84 in Scarborough and buried Scarborough Cemetery.

http://www.britishempire.co.uk/forces/armyunits/britishcavalry/13thhussarsjohnson.htm

"Funeral at Scarborough - The funeral took place at Scarborough Cemetery on the 27th. The cortege left the home of the deceased shortly before two o'clock and proceeded to Holy Trinity Church, where a service was held, the officiating clergy being the Revd. C.W.A. Clark, vicar of Holy Trinity and the Revd. H. Merry weather, vicar of St. Matthews. The hymns sung at the service were "Now the labourer's task is o'er," and "Peace, perfect peace", followed by the 39th Psalm. At the conclusion of the service the Dead March in "Saul" was played on the organ. Then follows a list of mourners and wreath-senders... The coffin was of plain un-polished oak with brass mountings, and bore the inscription -  "Thomas George Johnson, died May 24th 1908, aged 84 years""

Dean Road Cemetery at Scarborough show that he was buried there in space # 52 South Terrace Alcove
The full inscription on his gravestone reads - "In memoriam of Ellen wife of Major Thomas G. Johnson late Captain 13th Hussars who died June 5th 1883 aged 48 years. Also of the above Thomas G. Johnson who died May 24th 1908, aged 84 years".


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Post by: forester on Thursday 20 March 08 22:09 GMT (UK)
Thomas George Johnson

1841 Census
Maidstone Barracks
Kent

Thomas Geo. Johnson
Age 15 (rounded)
Trumpeter in the Army
Born in the county
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Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 20 March 08 22:43 GMT (UK)


Thanks Phil !

I was thinking 13 was a little young to join up as a private ( though I know they had "boy soldiers " ) !!  :)

Annie  :)
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Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 20 March 08 23:09 GMT (UK)

Heres Steves list ! do you think we could go through these ??  ::) ::) ::)

http://www.angelfire.com/mp/memorials/crimroll6.htm

4th DRAGOON GUARDS

Pte Thomas Ryan - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854

5th DRAGOON GUARDS

Pte Bernard Callery - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Corporal James Taylor - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854

1st DRAGOONS

Pte Charles Middleton - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Thomas Shore - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854

2nd NORTH BRITISH DRAGOONS

Pte Henry Campbell - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Corporal A.P. Clifford - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854

6th DRAGOONS

Pte Robert Elliot - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Alexander Latimer - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854

4th LIGHT DRAGOONS

Trumpeter Thomas Burns - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Sergeant Edward Cambell - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte James Donaldson - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Daniel Haxhall - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Troop Sergeant Major Francis Herbert - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Thomas Hutton - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Trumpeter Edward Lovelock - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Sergeant Richard Lynch - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Charles Marshall - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Thomas Moody - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Michael Phelan - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
No. 1065 Pte James Rickman - killed at the Battle of Inkermann 5 November 1855
Pte George Robinson - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Corporal Henry Spence - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte George Swan - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Thomas Tomset - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Charles Waight - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
No. 1526 Pte Charles Wholman - killed at the Battle of Inkermann 5 November 1855

8th (King's Royal Irish) HUSSARS

Pte Joshua Adams - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte John Barry - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Michael Brennan - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte James Dies - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Corporal William Donald - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Andrew Finnegan - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Denis Hanrahan - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Thomas Heffron - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Edmund Herbert - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Matthew Keating - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Troop Sergeant Major H. McCluer - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Edward McDonald - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte George Morris - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Sergeant Michael Rielly - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Charles Waterer - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte John White - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Sergeant William Williams - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854

11th HUSSARS

Pte C. Allured - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte J. Brunton - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte R. Bubb - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte C.B. Cooper - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte W. Davis - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte T. Elder - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Corporal T. France - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte J.M. George - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte R. Gwinnell - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte G. Horne - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte J. Jackman - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Sergeant J. Jones - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Sergeant T. Jordan - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte R. Lazell - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte J. Larkin - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte R. Levett - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte D. Purcell - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte L. Shoppee - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte T. Shrive - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte W.H. Spring - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte J. Stephenson - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte H. Wakelin - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte D. Ward - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte W. Wareham - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte G. Wooton - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
No. 1625 Pte George Wright - killed at the Battle of Inkermann 5 November 1855

13th LIGHT DRAGOON

Pte Thomas Blackett - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Charles Court - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte William Dorell - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Robert Fraser - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte William Lawson - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Thomas McGorrine - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte James Slattery - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Corporal E.W.A. Smith - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte James Watson - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Troop Sergeant Major John Webster - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte T.J. Williams - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854

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Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 20 March 08 23:10 GMT (UK)


Continued .....

17th LANCERS

Pte Charles Aldows - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte William Baker - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte John Bow - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Walter Brooks - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte George Broom - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Henry Carter - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Thomas Corcoran - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Richard Dollar - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Patrick Dowling - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte George Flowers - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Henry Gray - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Corporal James Hall - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte William Harrison - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Robert Jackson - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854. Listed on the Crimea Memorial in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire.
Pte John Lees - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Robert Ling - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Robert McNeill - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Frederick Melrose - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Charles Mitton - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte Henry Pearce - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
No. 985 Pte R.F. Robinson - killed at the Battle of Inkermann 5 November 1855
Pte Johnson Sewell - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte James Stamage - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Sergeant Edward Talbot - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Pte John Wilson - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Corporal C. Wrigley - killed at Balaklava 25 October 1854



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Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 20 March 08 23:17 GMT (UK)


Thomas Everard - Hutton born Beverley 1821 - son of Henry Hutton Barrister at Law of Lincoln.

http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/portrait.asp?LinkID=mp02342&rNo=0&role=sit

4th Light Dragoons - died 10 June 1896 in Bath and buried Locksbrook Cemetery Bath

"When one of Low’s troop leaders Captain Thomas Hutton who was wounded in the
right thigh as he charged down the valley - turned to Low his senior to ask for orders - he was told that if he could still sit on his horse he may as well stick with the crowd "

http://www.rootschat.com/links/031d/

* EJ Boys - Hutton Captain Thomas 4th LD

I found this site of photos from Locksbrook Cemetery Bath .... I have a squint from looking at the names ... just in case .... but I didn't see him I'm afraid !! wonder if somebody else can ??

http://community.webshots.com/album/314323024Ebeqha
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Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 20 March 08 23:47 GMT (UK)


Charles MacAuley born Rawcliffe Nr Goole 1828 8th Hussars - died 5 Jan 1905 in Leeds - buried Woodhouse Cemetery - headstone moved .....

Woodhouse Cemetery is now part of the Leeds University Campus and is called St George's Fields - the headstones and memorials were removed from the cemetery in 1968

* EJ Boys - Macaulay ( Macauley )   Pte   Charles 1057    8th H
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Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 21 March 08 00:42 GMT (UK)



Francis Dickinson born 1830 Sheffield - he was a Troop Sergeant in the 17th Lancers and died in June 1898 ..... after the war he lived in London Preston and Blackpool - and he is buried in Layton Cemetery Blackpool 

( he was buried in the middle of what is now the open area ... I also have another date of death ... died 13 February 1901 !!)

Francis Dickinson
One of the six hundred
The words above were engraved on the gravestone of Francis Dickinson.

He was one of the soldiers who fought in the notorious Charge of the Light Brigade during the Crimean war - the cavalry was wrongly sent into battle only to be slaughtered by Russian cannon fire. 670 horsemen were ordered to charge the enemy and only 195 returned - Francis Dickinson was among them

I can't help but include this soldier .......

George Partington 1837 – 1902

There is no inscription on the memorial as the brass plaque from the grave has disappeared. George Partington fought in the Crimean war when he was 17 .... he absconded from college to enlist in the army and rode in the Heavy Brigade - which was the cavalry that followed the Light Brigade into the valley of death. In 1854 he was seriously wounded by a Cossack but was nursed by the 'lady of the lamp' Florence Nightingale, recovered from his wounds and retired to Sheffield.

Ironically - he survived the Battles of Balaclava and Inkerman and the siege of Sebastopol but died after being thrown from his horse and trap! An impressive military funeral was held in March 1902 with full honours - thousands came, and the footpath on Sharrowvale Road was reported to be ‘thickly lined with spectators’.  His coffin, covered in a Union Jack, was held on a gun carriage, and drawn by six horses.  On top of the coffin was his ‘gleaming helmet’.  The scene at the graveside was described as ‘very impressive’, a silent gathering around a roped off area at the grave, among them veteran soldiers, and the firing party ‘a bright blot of colour amid the sombrely-clothed assembly’.  In his address the chaplain spoke of Partington as a brave and good soldier, who ‘when our country had been threatened with sinking to a third rate power’ had fought brilliantly.  Once retired Mr Partington had worked assiduously on behalf of less fortunate veteran soldiers.  His obituary spoke of ‘the enthusiasm and the bright flashing of the late Mr Partington’s eyes’ when he thought of helping a ‘very poor brother who was very sick or in need’



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Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 21 March 08 01:12 GMT (UK)

Here's the other William Pearson ....

William Pearson ...... Born Doncaster 1825
Died 14 June 1909 in York - buried York Cemetery grave 554

William Pearson -
Memorial at York Cemetery, North Yorkshire - "In loving memory of Jessie B. White Died April 18th 1931 Also John W. White husband of the above, killed in France August 16th 1916. Also William Pearson Hero of Balaklava died June 14th 1909 aged 84."

* EJ Boys - Pearson   Pte   William    939    17th Lancers
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Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 21 March 08 01:27 GMT (UK)


James Devlin - born 1834 died 3rd of February 1892

"A group of veterans - some of whom bore scars, attended in February, 1892 the burial of James Devlin late of the Adjutant-General's office, one of the survivors of the "Six Hundred " in the cavalry charge of Balaclava. That he should have escaped what Tennyson calls "The mouth of hell," and nearly 40 years after found a grave in the peaceful seclusion of Glasnevin Cemetery was a blessing which his family gratefully recognised."

From 'History of the Dublin Catholic Cemeteries' (William J. Fitzpatrick 1900)

He was buried in Grave No. AC75 (South) on the 6th of February 1892 and a head-stone was erected over the grave.

Extracts from the Irish Times of the 5th of February 1892 -

“Devlin - February 3rd., at his residence, 8 Connaught Terrace, Garville Road, Rathgar, James Devlin, Esq., late Chief Clerk, Adjutant-General's Department, Dublin Castle, aged 58 years. Funeral will leave at 10 o'clock tomorrow (Saturday) morning for Glasnevin Cemetery, R.I.P."

http://www.redcoat.info/crimeodds.htm

http://www.chargeofthelightbrigade.com/allmen/allmenD/allmenD_4LD/devlin_j_1447_4LD/devlin_j_1447_4LD.html
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Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 21 March 08 01:29 GMT (UK)


And I'm including this soldier too ....

George Ellis - 4th Light Dragoons

Obituary in the 'Trowbridge Advertiser' (18th October 1856) - "Our dead heroes. It is now our privilege to speak of one who has been more intimately associated with us, who has lived among us, and gained our respect in his private as well as public capacity, who has recently died amongst us full of honours but not of years who has departed this life at the age of fifty years, thirty four of which were spent in the service of his country  a period sufficient to cover him with honour, but too brief for that country's benefit. We now speak of Captain George Ellis, late of H.M. 4th Light Dragoons, the first officer ever interred here who's funeral took place this 10th instant whilst our last impression was in press. And (en passant ) we must express our disgust at the turbulent and indecent crowding round the procession, of a number of ill behaved boys and girls whose conduct, however much actuated by curiosity and not by premeditation, was a disgrace to the innate feelings of natural village peasantry and which misbehaviour is utterly disavowed by the decent and respectable portion of the community. This Captain Ellis was a native of Birmingham, of very humble origin; a man of most estimable piety  a good soldier, a strict disciplinarian, thoroughly conversant with the minutest details of his profession, beloved by his fellow officers and regarded by his men as a father and a friend. In addition to his claims on our respect for having served his country in India (he was at the taking of Ghuznee in 1839)  and for having served in the Crimea, whence he was invalided after being present at Alma and Inkermann he suffering from illness at the time of the Balaclava charge he demands our further admiration from the fact that without being possessed of the adventitious aids of birth or wealth (he rose from the ranks and was formerly a private soldier in our very barracks) he elevated himself by his merit to the proud position of Captain in one of her Majesty's most distinguished regiments. To persons acquainted with the difficulties and obstacles in the way of attaining such a position, the extraordinary merits of the man will be at once apparent. His minister, the Reverent Incumbent of the Trinity Church, spoke most feelingly of him, on Sunday last  of his earnest piety and of his constant attendance at the services of the church. The writer himself has often noted there his devotional and unassuming bearing; and it is not too much to say of him that he was one of natures worthies, a man who became "in rank what he was in heart  a gentleman" a man who rose with moderation and filled his every station with becoming dignity but without ostentation, a man to whom belonged the rare merit of bearing prosperity with modesty, ever mindful of others feelings whose rise excited no envy amongst the soldiers with whom he had associated and over whom he was called on to command; and who was welcomed by those officers and gentlemen who had been his former superiors. Whether the day will ever come when promotion shall become more frequent from the ranks, and when most assuredly more of the younger sons of the clergy and gentry will enter, bringing with them the "elan" and "esprit" of public schools and colleges, this writer is not prepared to argue nor even venture an opinion on its desirability, but this can at all events be asserted that the conduct of Captain George Ellis is an instance in its favour. We now have a few words to address to our fellow townsmen :- for years past, as great poet, the Rev. George Crabb, has slept his last sleep amongst us. To his memory a fit monument has been raised. It would be but a grateful tribute to the departed worth if we raised, by public subscription, a tomb over all that is mortal of Captain Ellis. It would be a monument to which our descendants might point with pride saying "behold the grave of a Christian , a gentleman and a soldier!. Our fathers in honouring him honoured themselves for amid the strife of a busy world they found time to perpetuate his memory and raised with willing hearts the record of a British hero"

http://www.redcoat.info/crimeodds.htm
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Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 21 March 08 01:45 GMT (UK)


Edmund Herbert - 8th Hussars

Memorial at St Matthew Twigworth Gloucestershire -

"To the memory of Edmund Herbert of the Light Brigade who fell at Balaclava on October 25th 1854 son of Samuel and Emilia Herbert late of this parish and uncle of John Henry Roberts."

http://www.redcoat.info/crimeodds.htm

*EJ Boys - Herbert Pte Edmund 793 8th H
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Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 21 March 08 02:15 GMT (UK)



Presented to Lord Lucan (1800-1888)

in 1887 for his many military achievements, including the Command of the Cavalry Division in the Crimea - the 55cm. long baton features an 18ct gold top surmounted by a superbly modeled equestrian figure of St. George with the dragon. Covered in its original Imperial purple velvet and studded with 18 gold lions, the baton bears the inscription, ‘From Her Majesty Alexandria Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland to Field Marshal The Right Hon. “The Earl of Lucan G.C.B.”.

One of most celebrated personalities of the Victorian era, the Third Earl of Lucan was born in London in 1800 and entered the British Army in 1816. His career flourished thereafter from 1826-1830, he was M.P. for County Mayo and in 1840 was elected a representative peer of Ireland.

In 1854, Lord Lucan was appointed to the command of the Cavalry Division of the Eastern Army in Turkey. He served in the Crimea with some distinction, notably at Balaklava on 25 October 1854, where some 2,000 advancing Russian Cavalry were driven back by the brilliant charge of the Heavy Brigade made under Lord Lucan’s direction. After defeating and breaking the Russian Cavalry in the morning with less than half their number, he launched the famous ‘Charge of the Light Brigade’ in the afternoon, in accordance with what seemed to be the reasonable interpretation of the Commander-in-Chief, Lord Raglan’s ambiguous order to advance, ‘Lord Raglan wishes the cavalry to advance rapidly to the front and try to prevent the enemy carrying away the guns. Troop of Horse Artillery may accompany. French Cavalry is on your left. Immediate.’ All subsequent efforts to prove that Lucan was wrong in his interpretation of that order, to advance into the ‘valley of death’, failed.

Lord Lucan was wounded in the leg by a bullet during these operations and the Light Brigade was reduced from 600 men to less than 200 and two heavy cavalry regiments were depleted. Lord Lucan vindicated himself in the House of Lords in 1855 and received the Medal with four clasps for his services in the Crimea, Decorations from France and Turkey and was created K.C.B. the same year. In 1887, his military achievements were fully rewarded with his promotion to Field Marshal


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Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 21 March 08 03:14 GMT (UK)


This is a little off topic but ....... ! why does this make me sad AND mad ??!!  ::)

TRIO - Crimea Medal 1854-56 - four bars - Alma; Balaklava; Inkerman; Sebastopol; Turkish Crimea Medal 1855; Army Long Service and Good Conduct Medal (VR)(2nd type). 433 Sergt Jno Watson 8th Hussars on first medal, Serjeant J.Watson 8th Hussars on second medal, Serjt Jno Watson 8th Hussars on third medal. All three medals engraved. Cased. A rare group to a sergeant of the famous Light Brigade. Very fine.
 
Estimate $10,500

*EJ Boys - Watson Arm Sgt John 433 8th Hussars 

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Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 21 March 08 04:25 GMT (UK)


Luke Oakley DCM - 11th Hussars

Memorial at Wirksworth Church and Cemetery Derbyshire -

"In loving remembrance of Luke Oakley who was born at Yapton near Arundel Sussex and died at Wirksworth February 18th 1870 aged 65 years. He enlisted 20th January 1832 in the 11th Hussars in which he served more than 24 years. He was 4 years in India also throughout the Crimean War, was present at the following engagements viz. Alma, Inkerman, Balaclava and Sebastopol. For his gallant service he received the following decorations, Crimean Medal with 4 clasps also a Turkish Medal, Medal of distinguished conduct in the field, and the one for long service and good conduct. He also received five good conduct badges. On the 20th of October 1854 at the Battle of Balaclava he was appointed Orderly to Dr. St Croix Cross. By his comrades he was called the model of the Regiment. He also served 14 years in the Civil Service and was in receipt of pensions from both services. To sum up in a few words he was a genial, kindly, modest Englishman and a brave soldier also of Ann his wife who died December 14th 1906 aged 88 years."

* EJ Boys - Oakley   Pte   Luke    709    11th H
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Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 21 March 08 06:43 GMT (UK)

Godfrey Charles Morgan

1st Viscount Tredegar was born on April 28, 1831 in Ruperra Castle Glamorganshire. He was educated at Eton and joined the British Army in 1853.
When the Crimean War broke out in 1854, Godfrey Morgan held the rank of Captain in the 17th Lancers and he accompanied his famous regiment to the scene of the great struggle. He was in action at the Battle of Alma and later on the October 25, 1854 was in command of a section of the Light Brigade that rode into the 'Jaws of Death' at the Battle of Balaclava.

Godfrey Charles Morgan (1831-1913) was MP for Breconshire from 1858 until 1875 when he succeeded his father as 2nd Baron Tredegar. He was created First Viscount in 1905.

In later years, as other members of the Morgan family had been in the past, he became a benefactor to the people of Newport. Large tracts of land were donated to the Corporation for the benefit of the public, including Belle Vue Park, the Royal Gwent Hospital and Newport Athletics Grounds. This earned him the nickname of "Godfrey the Good" among local people.
Godfrey became a Viscount in 1905, and become the first Freeman of Newport in 1909.
Godfrey Morgan died on March 11 1913 aged 82 and is buried at Bassaleg Parish Church.

*EJ Boys - Morgan Cpt Godfrey 17th L

First photo is from the Queens collection ..... Captain Morgan on the winner of the Crimean Races 1855
And the second is - a bronze equestrian statue of Viscount Godfrey which was unveiled in 1909 in Gorsedd Gardens Cardiff as he was in 1854 in the uniform of the 17th Lancers on pilastered plinth of Darley Dale stone. Bronze reliefs depicting the Charge of the Light Brigade. At one end of plinth portrait stone relief, encircled by a wreath of oak-leaves depicts Lord Tredegar as he was at the time the statue was unveiled. At the opposite end of the plinth encircled in a laurel wreath are the Tredegar arms and motto.



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Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 22 March 08 16:04 GMT (UK)



Lord Raglan 1st Baron Fitzroy James Henry Somerset born 30 September 1788 Badminton Gloucestershire England – died 28 June 1855 ( known before 1852 as Lord FitzRoy Somerset )

He was the eighth and youngest son of Henry Somerset 5th Duke of Beaufort by Elizabeth, daughter of Admiral the Hon. Edward Boscawen - Lord Fitzroy Somerset was educated at Westminster School and entered the army in 1804. In 1807 he was attached to the Hon. Sir Arthur Paget's embassy to Turkey - and the same year he was selected to serve on the staff of Sir Arthur Wellesley in the expedition to Copenhagen. In the following year he accompanied the same general in a like capacity to Portugal, and during the whole of the Peninsular War was at his right hand first as aide-de-camp and then as military secretary.

He was wounded at the Battle of Bucaco, became brevet-major after Fuentes de Onoro, accompanied the stormers of the 52nd light infantry as a volunteer at Ciudad Rodrigo and specially distinguished himself at the storming of Badajoz, being the first to mount the breach and afterwards securing one of the gates before the French could organize a fresh defence. On 6 August 1814 he married Lady Emily Harriet Wellesley-Pole, daughter of the 3rd Earl of Mornington ( the Duke of Wellington's niece ) During the short period of the Bourbon rule in 1814 and 1815 he was secretary to the British embassy at Paris. On the renewal of the war he again became aide-de-camp and military secretary to the Duke of Wellington.

At Waterloo he was wounded in the right arm and had to undergo amputation - but he quickly learned to write with his left hand, and on the conclusion of the war resumed his duties as secretary to the embassy at Paris. From 1818 to 1820 and again in 1826–29, he sat in the British House of Commons as member for Truro. In 1819 he was appointed secretary to the Duke of Wellington as master-general of the ordnance - and from 1827 till the death of the duke in 1852 was military secretary to him as commander-in-chief. He was then appointed Master-General of the Ordnance, a Privy Counsellor (16 October 1852) and was created Baron Raglan (20 October 1852).

His failure to give coherent or timely commands on the field of battle led to numerous mistakes, and his blind ignorance of the growing rivalry between the Earl of Lucan and the Earl of Cardigan would have tragic consequences in the infamous Charge of the Light Brigade. At Balaklava and Inkerman he displayed a complete lack of any tactical acumen, sending small British units against large Russian contingents - on several occasions this resulted in the complete destruction of the British units. Despite this lack of competence on his part - the battle resulted in an Allied victory and he was promoted to the rank of Field Marshal.

During the trying winter of 1854–55 - the suffering he was compelled to witness the censures which he had to endure and all the manifold anxieties of the siege seriously undermined his health, and although he found a friend and ardent supporter in his new French colleague, General Pelissier, disappointment at the failure of the assault of 18 June 1855 finally broke his spirit, and very shortly afterwards on July 9, he died of dysentery. His body was brought home and interred at Badminton.

http://www.batteryb.com/crimean_war/biographies/raglan.html


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Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 22 March 08 16:13 GMT (UK)



Queen Victoria was sensitive  to the conditions in which wounded soldiers were being treated through her visits to the sick and injured. After visiting a military hospital at Fort Pitt in Chatham, Queen Victoria wrote to Lord Panmure Secretary for War, criticising the buildings with their high windows, small wards, and lack of a dining room  " so that the poor men must have their dinners in the same room in which they sleep - and in which some may be dying "

Queen Victoria and Prince Albert met some of the wounded men who had returned from the Crimea at Chatham Kent on 3 March 1855. After visiting the hospital at Fort Pitt they went to Brompton Barracks. It was there that Queen Victoria met the men she later sketched -  probably from memory. She described in her journal how Sergeant Scarff of the 17th Lancers " told us how he had received his sabre cuts - one on his head and one on his two hands - which he had put up to save his head "

* EJ Boys - Scarfe Sgt James 481 17th L

** In 1856 the Royal Victoria Hospital Netley was built - to counter the inadequacies of existing military hospitals in Britain. The Queen laid the foundation stone of the hospital -  below the stone was a box containing coins - a Crimea medal - a Victoria Cross and a document signed by the Queen !

Wounded soldiers who met with the Queen 1855 ..... Sergeant Scarff (sic) is on this picture but I have no idea which soldier he is ..... !


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Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 22 March 08 16:31 GMT (UK)


Aimable Jean Jacques Pélissier 1st Duc de Malakoff ( November 6 1794 - May 22 1864) was a marshal of France.

In 1860 he was appointed colonial governor-general of unruly Algeria - and he died there in 1864 when his dukedom became extinct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimable_Pélissier

Omar Pasha Latas (1806-71) was an Ottoman General of Serb origin whose birth name was Mihailo Latas (Michael Latas)

http://maviboncuk.blogspot.com/2004/06/crimean-war-omar-pasha-1806-1871.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Pasha

Here they both are with Lord Raglan !


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Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 22 March 08 18:03 GMT (UK)


I believe these soldiers all died of wounds or disease .... so little information ..... for so great a sacrifice !  :'(

4th Light Dragoons

"In memory of CHS. HAMPSHIRE IV LD who died on the 3rd Feby 1855 aged 39 years."
(grave near Kadikoi).

* EJ Boys - Hampshire Pte Charles 745 4th LD

"Sacred to the memory of W. HAYWOOD IV L.D."
(grave near Kadikoi).

* EJ Boys - Haywood Pte William 1648 4th LD

"Sacred to the memory of Troop Serjt. Major J. THORP 4th Lt Dragoons died while serving in the Crimea."

* EJ Boys - Thorpe Pte John 1273 4th LD

"To the memory of JOHN HUNTLEY IV L.D. who died on the 9th Jany 1855."
(grave near Kadikoi)

* EJ Boys - Huntley Far John 1154 4th LD

Wonder why the 13th buried this soldier ??

12th Royal Lancers

"Sacred to the memory of Trumpet Major FRANCIS JOHNSON 12th Royal Lancers who departed this life on the 22nd Decr. 1855 in the 35th year of his age. This stone was erected by the Non Commissioned Officers of the 13th Light Dragoons as a mark of respect."
(grave at Scutari)
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Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 22 March 08 19:30 GMT (UK)


Outside Rush is Kenure Park - the residence of Sir Roger Palmer Bart who is a Lieutenant-General retired and one of the few survivors of the Balaklava charge. He is lineally descended from Miss Ambrose Lord Chesterfield's "dangerous Papist."

The Following Cartoon Appeared in the year 1880

PALMER Sir Roger William Henry BART -  'Roger' Fought at Balaklava - by Spy - the family has gone to Ireland from Norfolk in the 17th Century - shown contentedly smoking a pipe with river and swans in the background !!

http://www.antiquemapsandprints.com/spy/SPY-1880.htm

*EJ Boys - Palmer Lt Roger 11th H


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Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 22 March 08 19:47 GMT (UK)



Afterwards ..... 1856-1869 13th Light Dragoons

http://www.britishempire.co.uk/forces/armyunits/britishcavalry/13thltdragoons1778.htm

After the Crimean War the regiment stayed in Ireland, moving around from one cavalry barracks to another. In 1859 they went to Scotland and stayed at Edinburgh, Piershill and Hamilton. In 1861 they were ordered to Manchester and in 1862 they marched to Aldershot in Surrey. Around this time they were titled 13th Hussars instead of 13th Light Dragoons. They were stationed in Hounslow in 1864 and in 1865 they were divided in three and went to Ipswich in Suffolk, Northampton and Norwich. Then they seem to be all over the country - Birmingham, Newcastle and York.
In 1866 they were ordered to embark for Canada and sailed there on two ships, the Tarifa ( a screw steamer), the Europa (a paddle-wheel steamer) and the Damascus. They were sent to defend the country from a Fenian uprising. The regiment marched out of York on the 11th Sept 1866 and went to Liverpool. It was a bad voyage, lasting a week, with gales blowing most of the way. Most of the regiment went to Montreal but some went to Toronto and stayed at the New Fort and the buildings of the Crystal Palace. In the summer of 1867 there was a draft of 101 men sent over from England with one cornet and one sergeant. The first part of the regiment embarked for the return to England on 28th and 30th June 1869. They arrived in Liverpool on the 13th July.

The regiment were stationed in Toronto, Ontario, Canada between 1866 and 1869.
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Post by: forester on Saturday 22 March 08 22:40 GMT (UK)
A fitting one for Easter.........

Lt. Henry Ashley Sparke, 4th Light Dragoons (see also Reply #18)

Sparke, born 1828, was killed in the Charge and buried by the Russians.
Sparke's father, Canon John Henry Sparke, was the Rector of St Mary's, Gunthorpe, Norfolk from 1831 to 1870. During the 1860's he undertook a complete rebuilding of the chancel and the east window commemorates the death of his son. The window is the work of a London designer, William Warrington and depicts the last days of Christ from Palm Sunday to the Ascension.







http://www.rootschat.com/links/0325/


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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 March 08 01:32 GMT (UK)




Those windows are gorgeous Phil .... I read about them ... but hadn't seen them ... thank you !  :D :D
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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 March 08 01:36 GMT (UK)


Here's something interesting .....

From the London Athenaum - the British Museum which in addition to its other treasures, contains one of the largest Chinese libraries in Europe, has just sustained the loss of the Chinese scholar to whom the cataloguing of it was intrusted -

M Louis Augustin Prevose who was born at Troyes in Champagne on 6th June 1796 and died in London 25th April 1858 - passed the greater part of his life in England. He married in 1825 an English wife who survives him - and in 1854 he lost his only son Frederick Prevost fighting under the assumed name  of Melrose among the foremost of the English cavalry at the deadly charge of Balaklava !!

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9A01E1D91331EE34BC4C52DFB1668383649FDE

* EJ Boys - Melrose Pte Frederick 975 17th L
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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 March 08 03:11 GMT (UK)


January 20th 1896

The death has just occured at Chatham of William Henry Faulkner  one of the few survivors of the 600 who took part in the famous Balaklava Charge - born in Inverness William Faulkner at the age of 17 - joined the 4th Light Dragoons

In charging the Russians guns at Balaklava he received a bullet in his neck where it remained till the day of his death - being deeply buried in the muscles  .... the young dragoon attacked the Russian who fired the shot and cut him through with his sabre from shoulder to side severing his body completely ..... he was invalided home suffering from mental abberation ....  after his restoration and convalescence he joined the Royal Marines .... he completed 21 years service with the Royal Marines and then retired on a meagre pension ... afterwards getting employment as a labourer

The national and military authorities in recognition of his gallant services to his country admitted him to Melville Hospital during his last illness and at the funeral a party of Royal Marines in uniform bore his body to the grave. He was 59 years old.

More details below .....

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9901E7D6173BEE33A25753C2A9679C94679ED7CF

* EJ Boys - missing
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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 March 08 03:16 GMT (UK)


From the London Times October 2nd 1884

Yesterday the remains of Mr Thomas Perry of Dalston b. 1822 d. 1884 - formerly of the Eighth Regiment of Royal Irish Hussars were interred in Abney Park Cemetery several of his former military comrades accompanying the procession.

He was with his regiment at the siege of Sebastopol - having previously taken part in the battle of Alma and was one of the famous Six Hundred who rode in the memorable charge of Balaklava

More details below ......

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9905E4D6163AEF33A25754C1A9669D94659FD7CF

* EJ Boys - Perry Pte Thomas 597 8th H
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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 March 08 03:53 GMT (UK)


London Telegraph July 19th 1880

Lord George Augustus Frederick Paget (1818-1880) led the 4th Light Dragoons in the charge of the Light Brigade at Balaklava and subsequently commanded the brigade - and for a short time the cavalry division in the Crimea. In 1865 he was made inspector-general of cavalry -  in 1871 lieutenant-general and K. C. B. - and in 1877 full general. His Crimean journals were published in 1881.

More details below ......

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9505EEDD143FEE3ABC4851DFB166838B699FDE

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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 March 08 04:03 GMT (UK)


New York Times March 1st 1912

William A Rowley - soldier of fortune - died Wednesday at St Louis in his 79th year. Mr Rowley took part in the battle of Balaklava and was the possessor of three medals won during the Crimean War - in that war he took part in the Battles of Alma Sebastopol and Balaklava. He received a medal from the Turkish Governmentfor his part in the engagement at Sebastopol and received another from the British Government for long service in the army.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9507EFDD1F31E233A25752C0A9659C946396D6CF

* EJ Boys - Rowley Pte William 1825 4th LD
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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 March 08 04:20 GMT (UK)


London Daily News October 31st 1890

A little light relief !!  ;D ;D

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9A02E1DB113BE533A25752C3A9669D94619ED7CF
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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 March 08 04:29 GMT (UK)


New York Times 12th June 1856

We see by Quebec papers that the British transport steamship " Resolute " has arrived at that port with the first installment of the Crimean Army. On the 9th instant - portions of two regiments ( over 800 men ) were disembarked at Quebec
The " Resolute " made the passage from Balaklava in less than 30 days - a quick trip considering that the distance is upwards of six thousand miles.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9506E5DE1339E134BC4A52DFB066838D649FDE
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Post by: Pat Reid on Sunday 23 March 08 04:31 GMT (UK)
Wm rowley's death certificate
http://www.sos.mo.gov/archives/resources/deathcertificates/results.asp?type=basic&tLName=rowley&tFName=&sCounty=all&tYear=#null
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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 March 08 04:33 GMT (UK)

Detroit ( Mich ) Post March 30th 1869

Sale of horses ..... I don't want to set everybody off crying .... so I'll just say .... more below !!  ::)

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9F01E0DE103AEF34BC4B53DFB2668382679FDE
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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 March 08 04:36 GMT (UK)



Wow Pat .... how cool is that ?? .... thank you !

But I can't find him in St Peters Cemetery !!   :-\

Annie  :D
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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 March 08 04:46 GMT (UK)


New York Times July 7th 1909

Benjamin Simcox - 77 years old - a veteran of the Crimean War

and who claimed to have taken part in the famous charge at Balaklava died in Lexington Kentucky yesterday.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=990DE5DF1F31E733A25754C0A9619C946897D6CF

*EJ Boys - missing
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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 March 08 05:38 GMT (UK)


New York Times June 14th 1916

Pittsburgh Penn June 13th

Richard C Ferguson - a survivor of the famous charge of the Light Brigade at Balaklava during which he was wounded seven times - is dead at his home in McKeesport near here. He was also present at the Sepoy uprising and was a member of the British regiment that marched to the relief of Lucknow

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9F01EEDD173BE633A25757C1A9609C946796D6CF


* EJ Boys - missing ... ( just have a Robert ! )
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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 March 08 05:40 GMT (UK)


I believe we've done John Levick before ...... I'll go back and check again !!

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9801EFD6103FE63BBC4052DFB767838C669FDE

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9807E1D9123AE033A25756C2A9629C94689FD7CF



* EJ Boys - Levick Pte John   1253   8th H

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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 March 08 05:51 GMT (UK)



William Humphrey

Santa Rosa California - August 24th 1901 - William Humphrey -

a veteran of the Crimean War  and one of the Noble Six Hundred of Balaklava died here today aged 77 years

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9406E1D9143FE433A25756C2A96E9C946097D6CF

* EJ Boys - shows a Humphries   Pte   William   1493   11th H ??
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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 March 08 05:54 GMT (UK)



Mount Vernon NY July 12th 1897

Henry Moody - a peddler 62 years of age who said he resided in Cold Spring NY - was arraigned in the Court of Special Sessions before Judge Schaatz today for intoxication. He had a medal on his breast showing he was a survivor of the famous Light Brigade  - he fought in the battle of Balaklava in the Crimea and showed wounds all over his body - caused by bursting shells and was minus a leg !
Judge Schaatz discharged the prisoner who promised to do better.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9E00E4D71230E333A25750C1A9619C94669ED7CF

EJ Boys - Moody Pte Henry 1094 4th LD
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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 March 08 06:11 GMT (UK)


New London Conn March 15th 1901

William E Miller who claimed to be a survivor of the Light Brigade which made the famous charge at Balaklava is dead at his residence in Groton.
He was born in Scotland in 1828 and at the age of 24 enlisted in the army. He served through the Crimean War being an aide de camp at Balaklava and won a Victoria Cross. Afterwards he came to this country and served in the Navy during the Civil War.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9902EFD71E3AE733A25755C1A9659C946597D6CF

* EJ Boys - Miller   Pte   William    1783    11th H

** Can't find a VC though I'm afraid  :-\ ( Frederick Miller only )
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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 March 08 06:21 GMT (UK)


New York Times Wednesday October 5th 1875

The  Charge of the Six Hundred

Meeting in London - of the Survivors of the Charge of Balaklava - their remarkable story.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=990CE3DD133BEF34BC4D53DFB667838E669FDE
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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 March 08 06:29 GMT (UK)


New York Times June 5th 1892

Who do you think this is talking to the paper ??  :D

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9405E0DC1538E233A25756C0A9609C94639ED7CF

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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 March 08 06:56 GMT (UK)


Sunday November 25 1923

Survivor of the Light Brigade tells of Balaklava Charge

THE last known survivor of the Light Brigade - immortalized by Tennyson after its charge against the Russian batteries at Balaklava on October 23 ( ? ) 1854 - is a hale and hearty citizen of Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Though Ellis T. Cutting has just celebrated his eighty-seventh birthday - he looks as young as many men of 60 -  reads his newspaper without glasses and takes a two-mile walk every pretty day.

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F10617FF3F5D15738DDDAC0A94D9415B838EF1D3&scp=10&sq=balaklava&st=p

*EJ Boys - missing
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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 March 08 07:03 GMT (UK)


See this you guys ?? .... shouldn't mess with women !! .... after all he went through .... and then to die like that !!  :-\

Wednesday September 19th 1897

A Balaklava Hero killed - One of the "Noble Six Hundred" Dies at the Hands of His Wife in Montreal.

MONTREAL September 18th 1897 -  George Waldron one of the two survivors of the "Noble Six Hundred" on this continent who was in the famous charge at Balaklava - died in this city last night as the result of a blow on the head with a cane struck by his wife. The only remaining Balaklava veteran in America is John Harris a resident of Washington.

Waldron was a hero of many battles and two silver medals which he wore at all times attested his bravery. One is a Turkish medal bearing the word Crimea - three cannons and the flags of Britain France Sardinia and Turkey on one side and on the other an inscription in arabic characters

The other is an English medal inscribed with the word Crimea and bearing the likeness of Queen Victoria  on the ribbon to which it hung were four clasps inscribed respectively Alma Balaklava Inkerman and Sebastopol

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9E05E5DD1039E433A2575AC1A96F9C94669ED7CF

*EJ Boys - missing

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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 March 08 07:15 GMT (UK)



This one .... I don't know !!  :-\

THE ARLINGTON JOURNAL Arlington Texas 1928

Friday May 4th

In a Detroit Michigan poorhouse - sits a soldier of fortune who can authentically lay claim to the following experiences - He saw the charge of the Light Brigade -  he was nursed by Florence Nightingale - he was a gun runner for Garibaldi - he pulled the Empress Carlotta out of a ditch by her ankle - he was present at the Indian mutiny. 
He is Captain Rolland Walpole now 100 years old.  On his chest are medals that bear historic names Crimea, Alma, Balaklava, Inkerman, Sebastapool, Lucknow, Delhi, Peking, and Egypt.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0326/

*EJ Boys - missing
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Post by: forester on Sunday 23 March 08 10:00 GMT (UK)
Annie and Pat,

Back to William Rowley

This looks like the burial record of William (and his wife Elizabeth) at St Peters.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0327/

Phil :)
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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 23 March 08 14:45 GMT (UK)

Happy Easter !!

Clever you Phil !!

It was getting late last night and I couldn't see it !!  :) :) :) thank you!

Annie  :)
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Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 24 March 08 00:58 GMT (UK)

Thought you might like to see this ......... at St Pauls ...... !!

http://www.artandarchitecture.org.uk/images/conway/bc964211.html



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Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 24 March 08 01:09 GMT (UK)


This struck me as funny and sad !! ..... I can't even imagine it all .... can you ??  :) I'd be scared to death !!

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9E07E3DB103CEE3ABC4852DFB166838A699FDE
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Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 24 March 08 01:13 GMT (UK)



Does anybody know what the " supporting parties " were ? seems a funny turn of phrase doesn't it ?? .... I'll put it in context !

Mount Vernon New York September 14th

John Connor a veteran of the Crimea War died at his home 109 West Sidney Ave from apoplexy last night

Connor was born in England in 1828 .... and at the age of 15 he entered the British Army enlisting in the Royal Artillery. He was present at the siege of Sebastopol and was one of the " supporting party " at the Charge of the Light Brigade !

New York Times September 15th 1904

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9A0CE3D71230EE32A25756C1A96F9C946597D6CF

Oh wait ! ... I get it ... he was in the Artillery !
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Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 24 March 08 01:55 GMT (UK)


Here's a list of some of the deaths at the Hospital at Scutari ...... how awful it must have been .... ! :-\

http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/SCUTARI3.html

Water colour painting by Gen Edward Wray ( a British Artillery officer ) of the burial ground General Hospital in Scutari 1855

http://www.rootschat.com/links/032e/

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Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 24 March 08 04:38 GMT (UK)

John Howes was a sergeant in the 4th Light Dragoons when he and his comrades launched their suicidal attack during the battle of Balaclava - headlong into Russian artillery while strafed from either side by cannon - he later recalled ....  how he was one of the last to set out on the charge. 'It was not a fault of my own - it was owing to a brute of a horse I had -  not my own,' he said. 'Apart from a slight cut to the head occasioned by a set-to with a Russian hussar ....  I escaped without any serious injury.'

Sgt Howes later became a Troop Sergeant Major and the honorary treasurer of the Birmingham Military Veterans Association - he lived in Spring Road Edgbaston, and died of pneumonia aged 73.
TSM Howes was buried in Lodge Hill cemetery in Selly Oak - following his death on Christmas Day 1902 - nearly 50 years after he became one of 'the gallant 600' who charged the Russian guns during the Crimean War.

* EJ Boys - Howes Sgt John 1274 4th LD

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Lodge Hill Cemetery is to the south west of Birmingham city centre, serves the suberbs of Edgbaston, Harborne, Selly Oak, Northfield, Rednal and Bournville. It was opened in January 1895. The original site has now been extended to over 61 acres. Lodge Hill has burials of all denominations and has a section devoted to Quakers, where some of the Cadbury family are buried. The cemetery also has a Soldiers, section were some 500 soldiers who died in local hospitals during World War 1 are buried. Nearby is a small plot, surrounded by a golden privet hedge, where 14 World War1 German prisoners of War are buried. On each of these graves a flat memorial stone, shaped like an iron cross was laid. In 1934 a chapel and crematoriam were built at a cost of £9,000.
 
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Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 24 March 08 06:15 GMT (UK)


Why do we think of the silliest things ?? .......  ::) ::) ::)

This has been going around in my head .... my Dad used to recite this ( when we were kids .... with all the actions !!  ;D ) ... and I just realised it's probably from around the time of the Crimean War !!

Abdul Abulbul Amir

The sons of the Prophet are brave men and bold
And quite unaccustomed to fear,
But the bravest by far in the ranks of the Shah,
   Was Abdul Abulbul Amir.

If you wanted a man to encourage the van,
Or harass the foe from the rear,
Storm fort or redoubt, you had only to shout
   For Abdul Abulbul Amir.

Now the heroes were plenty and well known to fame
In the troops that were led by the Czar,
And the bravest of these was a man by the name
   Of Ivan Skavinsky Skavar.

One day this bold Russian, he shouldered his gun
And donned his most truculent sneer,
Downtown he did go where he trod on the toe
   Of Abdul Abulbul Amir.

Young man, quoth Abdul, has life grown so dull
That you wish to end your career?
Vile infidel, know, you have trod on the toe
   Of Abdul Abulbul Amir.

So take your last look at the sunshine and brook
And send your regrets to the Czar
For by this I imply, you are going to die,
   Count Ivan Skavinsky Skavar.

Then this bold Mameluke drew his trusty skibouk,
Singing, "Allah! Il Allah! Al-lah!"
And with murderous intent he ferociously went
   For Ivan Skavinsky Skavar.

They parried and thrust, they side-stepped and cussed,
Of blood they spilled a great part;
The philologist blokes, who seldom crack jokes,
   Say that hash was first made on the spot.

They fought all that night neath the pale yellow moon;
The din, it was heard from afar,
And huge multitudes came, so great was the fame,
   Of Abdul and Ivan Skavar.

As Abdul's long knife was extracting the life,
In fact he was shouting, "Huzzah!"
He felt himself struck by that wily Calmuck,
   Count Ivan Skavinsky Skavar.

The Sultan drove by in his red-breasted fly,
Expecting the victor to cheer,
But he only drew nigh to hear the last sigh,
   Of Abdul Abulbul Amir.

There's a tomb rises up where the Blue Danube rolls,
And graved there in characters clear,
Is, "Stranger, when passing, oh pray for the soul
   Of Abdul Abulbul Amir."

A splash in the Black Sea one dark moonless night
Caused ripples to spread wide and far,
It was made by a sack fitting close to the back,
   Of Ivan Skavinsky Skavar.

A Muscovite maiden her lone vigil keeps,
'Neath the light of the cold northern star,
And the name that she murmurs in vain as she weeps,
   Is Ivan Skavinsky Skavar.

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Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 24 March 08 06:18 GMT (UK)


And I came across this .... I'm amazed at how fragile looking it is !!  :-\

http://www.bottega.medioevo.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1127&language=en

This model of sabre equipped the officer's of the units of Britain's light cavalry starting from the second quarter of the XIXth century. The famous charge of the Light Brigade at Balaklava during the war of Crimea saw the commanders carrying this weapon. The three bar guard sits into the pommel which is capped by a top nut. The grip is in wood and wrapped with golden metal wire. The steel one-edged blade is slightly curved. Provided with a natural finished steel scabbard.
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Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 24 March 08 19:15 GMT (UK)



I LOVE serendipity .... but this is how I get easily sidetracked !!  ::) ::)  ;D

I found this snippet from an Arlington newspaper in 1928 .... and I couldn't find anything else on him .... so I posted on the US board !!

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In a Detroit, Michigan, poorhouse sits a soldier of fortune who can authentically lay claim to the following experiences: He saw the charge of the Light Brigade; he was nursed by Florence Nightingale; he was a gun runner for Garibaldi; he pulled the Empress Carlotta out of a ditch by her ankle; he was present at the Indian mutiny.  He is Captain Rolland Walpole, now 100 years old.  On his chest are medals that bear historic names, Crimea, Alma, Balaklava, Inkerman, Sebastapool, Lucknow, Delhi, Peking, and Egypt


http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,294322.0.html
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Post by: liverpool annie on Tuesday 25 March 08 00:02 GMT (UK)


In the Bolton Chronicle on November 25 1854 is this announcement in the Obituaries Column

"At the Battle of Balaclava, aged thirty-seven years Constantine Wrigley Corporal 17th Lancers - eldest son of the late Mr C Wrigley innkeeper Deansgate".

Constantine Wrigley Senior was landlord of the Hen and Chickens up to his death in 1842. His son - at 37 an experienced soldier was in the regiment which led the Charge of the Light Brigade.

Of the 673 men who followed the bugle call down the Valley of Death and into the Mouth of Hell, less than 200 returned. It was a fiasco and a disaster, but the courage of the soldiers impressed even the Russians.

From the Bolton Evening News

* EJ Boys - Wrigley Pte Constantine 496 17th L
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Post by: liverpool annie on Tuesday 25 March 08 15:25 GMT (UK)



As this obituary seems to have some dates mixed up .... I'm wondering if this is our William Armstrong !!  ::)

ARMSTRONG Capt. William C. Obituary From ST Times Journal  1 August 1910

Died - Capt. W.C Armstrong 75 years July 31 - veteran of Crimean War and American Civil War widow(er) of Mrs Sarah Armstrong, nee St John - father of Edward of the Herald in Duluth, George of Western Canada, Laura of the Southern Loan Company of St Thomas,  Lillian a nurse in Detroit and Miss Winnie Armstrong of Duluth.  He died at the home of his nephew, St John Adair in Toronto

William was born in Roscommon, Ireland in 1835 - came to Euphemia Township, Lambton County with his parents in 1842 - enlisted  with the 100th Royal Canadian Regiment and went to Gibraltar when  the Crimean war broke out. When the Civil War broke out he went to the States and enlisted in the Michigan Infantry, served through the whole war and obtained the rank of Captain; came to St Thomas in 1872 and was a conductor on the Great Western and Grand Trunk - retired 12 years ago, married in 1871 to Sarah St John, who died 19 years ago -  funeral from Trinity Anglican church and burial Aug 2 to St Thomas Cemetery

He enlisted as a sergeant and was discharged with the rank of Captain.  He served in 9th Michigan Infantry. His family (from 1881 and 1901 census) William Sr born 19 March 1835 wife Sarah born about 1852, children William Jr. born about 1874, George born about 1878, Laura born 24 December 1880, Lillian born 20 November 1884, Louis J. born 29 April 1886 and Sarah W. born 15 September 1895

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The fourth regiment was the 100th Regiment of Foot (Prince of Wales Royal Canadians) a British infantry regiment raised in 1857 by officers of the Canadian Volunteers to serve in India in dealing with the Indian Mutiny. The regiment was embodied on the British Army establishment and numbered 100 in the infantry of the line. The full title was the 100th Regiment of Foot (Prince of Wales's Royal Canadians). The regiment was recruited in Canada in early 1858 and shipped to Shornecliffe Camp in England later that year. The battalion remained in England until 1863 when it proceeded on a tour of duty in Gibraltar and Malta until 1869, when it returned to England. In 1877 it proceeded to Bengal, remaining in India until 1895 when it returned home. For this service it was awarded the honour "Central India", worn on its cap badge in the late 19th century. In 1898 the 1st Battalion was despatched to Halifax, Nova Scotia.

This new 100th Regiment inherited the old 100th's sole battle honour "Niagara" (awarded for all actions in July-August 1814 in the Niagara peninsula). The new regiment twenty years later came full circle, becoming "Irish" -- and was disbanded in 1922 when Ireland became independent. The first Colours of the Royal Canadians (with the honour "Niagara") are in the Parliamentary Library, Ottawa. The second stand of Colours are in the chapel of the Royal Military College, Kingston

http://www.elginogs.ca/onlinepubs/civilwarvets.htm

* EJ Boys - Armstrong, Armstron  Pte William 878 17th L
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Post by: liverpool annie on Tuesday 25 March 08 15:40 GMT (UK)


Here's two of the Sisters !

"Sacred to the memory of Sister MARY ELIZABETH BUTLER Sister of Mercy who died of fever at Balaklava Febry 23d 1856. This Cross was erected by the M.S. Corps in the Hospital at the time of her death."
(grave at General Hospital, Balaklava)

"Erected by the Soldiers of the 88th Regt. in memory of Sister WINIFRED SPRY Sister of Mercy who died of cholera at Balaklava Octr 20th 1855."
(grave at General Hospital, Balaklava).


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Post by: liverpool annie on Tuesday 25 March 08 15:54 GMT (UK)


Well it looks like our George H Baynes who lived in Colorado Springs for 25 years - moved to the Soldiers Home in Washington DC about 18 months before he died ..... but I still can't find a grave !!  ::)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,291902.0.html

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Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 28 March 08 03:53 GMT (UK)


This was thought to be the survivors list in 1913 !!  :)


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Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 28 March 08 04:20 GMT (UK)


Captain Clement Walker Heneage V.C.

Born in Compton Bassett, Wiltshire 6th March 1831, Clement Walker Heneage was the son of George Heneage Walker-Heneage (the Member of Parliament for Devizes) and his wife Harriet. Educated at Eton and Christchurch College Oxford, he was gazetted into the 8th King's Royal Irish Hussars as a Cornet on 10th August 1851. On 3rd September 1854, he became a Lieutenant, with which rank he rode in the Charge of the Light Brigade. He served throughout the Crimean War, being present at the Battles of Alma, Inkerman and Tchermaya, as well as the action at Mackenzie's Farm, the siege of Sebastopol and the Kenteh Expedition.

Heneage was a man of strong opinions. Writing after the Crimean War about the recriminations and accusations concerning the loss of the Light Brigade, he had little doubt where the blame lay, observing "It is wonderful to observe the way that fool the "British public" kicks a man directly he is down, as in the instance of unlucky Lucan. I always hated him, and so did the whole Cavalry Division, but for heaven's sake let a man have fair play - here is this unfortunate man catching it over the head and ears, merely because he obeyed an order given by the thick-headed Raglan through his still more stupid Q.M. (quartermaster) General Airey, who is about the worst of the whole headquarters staff".

After his return from the Crimea he was promoted to Captain on 12th May 1857, and once more set out on campaign, this time sailing for India with the Regiment from Cork on the S.S. Great Britain in October 1857. With the rebel leader, the Rhani of Jhansi, safe within the stronghold of Gwalior, the opposing force under Major General Sir Hugh Rose took up position on the plain below the town. Heneage commanded a squadron of 8th Hussars who surprised the enemy with a flanking attack, catching them unawares. "There was no pretence of resistance any longer except from a slight, fully-armed figure that was helplessly whirled along in this cataract of men and horses. Again and again this one leader, gesticulating and vociferating, attempted to stem the torrent of routed rebels, but all in vain. There was no possibility of holding up the broken Mahrattas, and at last a chance shot struck down, across his horse's neck, this one champion of the retreating force. A moment later the swaying figure was overtaken, and one stroke from a Hussar's sabre ended the whole matter. There was no time to halt, for the victory had to be pressed home; but as the Squadron returned, it was discovered that it was the Rhani of Jhansi herself who had thus ended her meteoric career".

The citation for the Victoria Cross appeared in the London Gazette of 26th January 1859. It reads :- "Selected for the Victoria Cross by their companions. In the gallant charge made by a Squadron of the Regiment at Gwalior on 17th June 1858, when supported by a division of the Bombay Horse Artillery, and Her Majesty's 95th Regiment, they routed the enemy, who were advancing against Brigadier Smith's position, charged through the rebel camp into two batteries, capturing and bringing fire from the fort and town." (Field Force Orders by Major General Sir Hugh Henry Rose, G.C.B. Commanding Central India Field Force, dated Camp Gwalior 28th June 1858).

He took the rank of Brevet-Major on 20th July 1858, and on 16th November 1860, purchased the rank of Major in place of Major Edward Phillips who retired by sale of Commission. He retired from the Army by the sale of his own Commission on 20th July 1868.

On 7th December 1865, at St Paul's Church Sketty, South Wales, he married Henrietta Letitia Victoria Vivian the daughter of the MP for Swansea. Their children were Godfrey Clement Walker (born 17th May 1868) later Major Grenadier Guards, D.S.O., M.V.O.; John Vivian Walker (born 27th May 1869); Algernon Walker (born 4th February 1871) later Rear-Admiral, Royal Navy C.B., M.V.O.; Claud Walker (born 24th April 1875) later Barrister at Law; Aline Dulcie Walker (born 18th August 1877). Clement Walker Heneage, V.C. died at Compton Bassett House, Compton Bassett, Wiltshire on 9th December 1901 aged 70 years, 9 months.

Besides his Victoria Cross, Heneage was awarded the Crimea Medal with clasps for Alma, Balaklava, Inkerman and Sebastopol; the Turkish Crimea Medal and the Indian Mutiny Medal with the clasp for Central India

http://www.lynehamvillage.com/history/bygones/walkerfamily.html

http://www.victoriacross.org.uk/wiltshir.htm


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Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 28 March 08 04:31 GMT (UK)



I found this snippet ....

Sarah WESTMORELAND buried at Hanging Heaton, near Dewsbury, WRY, ENG; born circa 1832 at Rothwell, WRY, ENG; died 1878 at Hunslet Sub District, Leeds, WRY, ENG (possibly reg. of her death).
She was a Laundress. She was Unmarried, but she was the long-term mistress of Fred Waring who was the father of her three children. According to  Lilian and Dorothy Clough, Fred Waring eventually married someone else of higher social status.  His brother, Charles, was in the Charge of the Light Brigade.

http://www.westmoreland-worldwide.org.uk/phillip-descendency.htm

EJ Boys - Waring Pte Charles 1173   17th L
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Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 28 March 08 06:20 GMT (UK)


We all know this painting but don't know much about the artist ....

William Simpson 1823-1899

William was born in Glasgow on 28th October 1823, the son of James Simpson, a dissolute labourer who worked in the shipyards, and Ann (née Johnstone), a gentle woman for whom he always retained great affection.

Although his formal education was scant, by the age of fourteen William had earned himself an apprenticeship in lithography, initially with David MacFarlane and later with the firm of Allan & Ferguson in Glasgow. He had also acquired a wide interest in the arts and sciences, and frequently attended free lectures at the Andersonian University and the Mechanics Institute, finding Chemistry and Natural Philosophy most to his liking. But art was his main interest. On certain days when no dinner was being made at home, a penny was given to him for food. By forgoing the meal, he could afford to buy colours in the art supply shop to enable him to sketch the people and street scenes of Glasgow.

Simpson died at his home in Willesden on 17th August 1899, aged 75, his wife and daughter by his side. He had never fully recovered from the attack of bronchitis he caught nine years earlier while sketching the opening of the Forth Bridge. He was buried in his mother's grave in the dissenters' section of Highgate Cemetery in London -- and there is a certain aptness in the fact that he now lies peacefully slightly to the left of another great Victorian social commentator (of a vastly different ilk), Karl Marx. The juxtaposition of the graves would have made him smile -- and it does make for both a fine metaphor and a suitable memorial.

http://victorian.lang.nagoya-u.ac.jp/victorianweb/painting/simpson/bio.html


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Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 28 March 08 06:25 GMT (UK)


This is Captain Thomas ......... Aide-de-Camp to General Bousquet - commanding the Light Brigade -  shown in this Roger Felton photo taken in 1855 before the battle .... I know I sound like a broken record .... but I can't find him !!  ::)


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Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 28 March 08 07:10 GMT (UK)

Is this cool or what ?? .................

1854 dated and identified shell jacket tunic formerly belonging to a survivor of the Charge of the Light Brigade in the Crimea in 1855. The jacket is identified by name and number to "4156 Wm. Fulton Pte." ..... he is listed as being assigned to the 8th Hussars and was 22 years old at the time of the Charge.
( This jacket is a cream colored wool with bright scarlet trim at the throat and cuffs..... it has a lot of heavy gold bullion frogwork and treatments at the cuffs and back in wide gold bullion stripes - there are five rows of buttons - four of them decorative and one functional Several buttons are missing as shown .... look at the sweat stains and blood spatter on the inside !!  :o :o)

* EJ Boys Fulton   Pte   William   1153   8th H


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Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 28 March 08 20:02 GMT (UK)



This small unmounted "snapshot" photograph depicts an elderly if somewhat ragged looking gentleman and is an otherwise unremarkable image from sometime around the turn of the 20th Century. What makes it stand out is  the period fountain pen inscription on the reverse identifying the sitter as "one of the 600". 
The full inscription in only partial legible with the first word looking like an abbreviated version of "Lancer". The  rest of the brief  ink inscription reads: "Lancer(?) Dobinson one of the 600". This seem to indicate that Dobinson  was one of the 600 who made the famous charge at Balaclava during the Crimean War.

Information kindly provided by Mr. Michael Hargreave Mawson author of Eyewitness to the Crimea reveals  that there was no one with the name of Dobinson appears in the rolls of those who served with the Light Brigade  during the Crimean War. Perhaps Mr. Dobinson did see active service during the war or was a member of the  17th Lancers at another time and place but his story - like all good fish tales - grew with the telling as the years  passed until at least to those who knew him he did indeed become one of the immortal 600.

http://www.soldiersofthequeen.com/page16f-LancerDobinsonOneOfTheSixHundred.html

There were two Dobsons at Balaklava - and one was a Lancer ....... 

EJ Boys - Dobson Pte Benjamin 874 17th L
              Dobson Pte Christopher 1122 8th H....

but theres a concensus of opinion this Dobinson was telling porkies !! I think I'll add him here .... because surely that's a face only a mother could love .... God Bless him !!


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Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 29 March 08 14:35 GMT (UK)


Just a snippet ....... !!

A contrasting pair of windows indeed. The two long lancet windows in the south transept are erected `To the Glory of God and in Loving Memory of Hugh Montgomery, 13th Light Dragoons, killed at the Battle of Balaklava October 25th, 1854, by his sister Ellen Montgomery 1870'.

http://www.lisburn.com/books/drumbeg/drumbeg3.html

EJ Boys - Montgomery Cornet Hugh 13th LD
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Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 29 March 08 14:43 GMT (UK)


Fourth Dragoon Guards leaving for the Crimean War, c.1854

http://www.magnoliabox.com/index.cfm?event=catalogue.product&productID=123246#
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Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 29 March 08 14:46 GMT (UK)


George Wombwell, from Newburgh Priory, was one of the so-called "Gallant Six Hundred" who rode in the infamous Charge of the Light Brigade.

Though glorified by Hollywood hero Errol Flynn and poet Alfred Lord Tennyson, the charge was the biggest Allied mistake of the Crimean War. Only through a series of tragic misunderstandings were 673 British horsemen sent galloping down the wrong valley straight into the mouth of enemy Russian guns.  In the ensuing slaughter, the brigade lost more than 100 men and nearly 400 horses, while 127 men were wounded. But the humiliation of this military blunder in a Ukrainian valley by the Black Sea on the morning of October 25 1854 was soon softened by admiration for the men who took part.

In a horrendous war that claimed more than a million lives, mostly through sickness and disease, the Charge of the Light Brigade shone out as a symbol of British bravery and fighting spirit.

Leading the light cavalry into the jaws of death that fateful morning were six men, including the brigade commander himself Lord Cardigan. Close behind him was a landowner from Newburgh, Cornet George Wombwell of the 17th Lancers. Wombwell was among the six horsemen who lined up for the Charge in front of the rest of the Light Brigade. This tiny party of men included the leader himself Lord Cardigan, who was only slightly ahead. They set off at a steady walk, then a trot, finally gathering pace. It was agony for the men to go so slowly with enemy fire raining down on them. Wombwell said: "Every man felt that the quicker they rode, the better chance he would have of escaping unhurt. I got up to the guns when unfortunately my horse was shot under me, and came down leaving me dismounted. My first act was to get another horse, and seeing a trooper minus a rider I made for him and caught him and jumped on his back and went down again with the second line."

His second horse was surrounded by Russians. Rank mattered even in such circumstances. Officers were more likely to be taken prisoner, private soldiers to be killed. "I heard a fearful yell and about five or seven Cossacks came up flourishing their swords. 1 expected to be cut down, and desiring to throw down my sword, which seeing such resistance was useless I did, when I was instantly surrounded, my pistols seized, and was rather roughly helped off my beaten horse. A Russian officer came up and asked me if I spoke French. I told him yes and requested him not to let the savages by whom I was surrounded knock me about. He was uncommonly civil, told me not to be alarmed, they were only rather rough in their manners, so away I was marched."

Wombwell was rescued by the 11th Hussars. He came home and lived at Newburgh Priory until his death in 1913.


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Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 29 March 08 14:54 GMT (UK)



Stop me if you've heard it !!!! ..... I can't find George !!  :-\

Accompanying Sir William to Scotland were several American Bison and several American Indians who acted as game keepers. The Indians would occasionally get drunk and would then hitch the bison to Sir William's carriage and take it through town. A creole half breed acted as Sir William's butler.
Sir William before coming to America got into a family dispute whereby he vowed he would never again sleep under the roof of Murthly Castle. His older brother, John, 6th Baronet of Murthly, died childless and, thus, the estate and title descended to Sir William. Although Sir William returned to Scotland, he maintained his vow and lived at first in a game keeper cottage. Later he had an extension built onto the castle in which he would sleep. Servants were instructed to awaken him if he ever fell asleep under the orginal roof. By an early unhappy marriage, Sir William had one son, George, to whom in normal line of succession the tile and the estate would descend. George, however, at the time of the Battle of Balaclava during the Crimean War was a member of the 13th Hussars remembered in Alfred, Lord Tennyson's tribute. George was one who did not return

http://www.wyomingtalesandtrails.com/bridger3.html
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Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 29 March 08 15:04 GMT (UK)


Edward Richard Woodham 1831 - 1886
 
Took part in the charge of the Light Brigade at Balaclava 1854 - Chairman of the Battle's 21st anniversary at Alexandra Palace.
 
Buried Highgate Cemetery (East)  Highgate London
 
* EJ Boys - Woodham Pte Edward 1355 11th H


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Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 29 March 08 15:22 GMT (UK)


Sir David Dumbreck KCB (1805–1876) was a British Army medical officer.

Dumbreck, the only son of Thomas Dumbreck, collector of inland revenue at Glasgow, by Elizabeth, youngest daughter of David Sutherland of the same service, was born in Aberdeenshire in 1805 and educated at the University of Edinburgh, where he graduated M.D. in 1830, having previously, in 1825, passed as a licentiate of the Royal College of Surgeons in Edinburgh. He entered the British Army as a hospital assistant on 3 Nov. 1825, became assistant surgeon in 1826, surgeon in 1841, surgeon-major in 1847, and deputy inspector-general on 28 March 1854.
Prior to the breaking out of hostilities with Russia he was despatched on a special mission early in 1854 to the expected seat of war, and traversed on his mission Servia, Bulgaria, and part of Roumelia, crossing the Balkans on his route. He was subsequently for a short time principal medical officer with the army, and served with it in the field as senior deputy inspector-general, and was present in this capacity and attached to headquarters at the time of the affair of Bulganac, the Alma, capture of Balaklava, battles of Balaklava and Inkerman, and siege of Sebastopol. His rewards were a medal with four clasps, the fourth class of the Medjidie, and the Turkish medal.
He was gazetted C.B. on 4 Feb. 1856, became K.C.B. on 20 May 1871, and was named honorary physician to the Queen on 21 Nov. 1865. On 19 July 1859 he was promoted to be an inspector-general of the medical department, and on 1 May in the following year was placed on half-pay and received a special pension for distinguished services.
He died at 34 Via Montebello, Florence, on 24 Jan. 1876, and his will was proved on 21 March under 12,000 Pounds. He married, on 27 Feb. 1844, Elizabeth Campbell, only daughter of George Gibson of Leith.
His tomb in Florence's English Cemetery carefully depicts his medals

http://www.florin.ms/armynavy.html

( I have never seen this before ... have you ?? .... fascinating !! )

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SIR DAVID DUMBRECK / SCOTLAND/ Dumbreck/ David/ Tommaso/ Inghilterra/ Firenze/ 23 Gennaio/ 1876/ Anni 70/ 1342/ GL23777/1 N° 496, Burial 27/01, Rev Tottenham/ Freeman, 230-232 / NDNB entry/ Henderson/ Belle Arti scheda/ [Medals] SIR DAVID DUMBRECK K.C.B./ BORN IN ABERDEENSHIRE 1805/ INSPECTOR GENERAL OF ARMY HOSPITALS AND/ HONORARY PHYSICIAN TO THE QUEEN SERVED WITH/ DISTINCTION IN THE CRIMEA WAS PRESENT AT THE BATTLES OF ALMA BALACLAVA INKERMANN AND THE SEIGE [sic] OF SEBASTOPOL, FOR WHICH HE/ RECEIVED THE CRIMEA MEDAL WITH 4 CLASSES/ THE TURKISH MEDAL AND THE KNIGHTHOOD OF/ THE ORDER OF THE MEDJIDIE/ HE DEPARTED THIS LIFE AT FLORENCE JAN 24 1876/ / UNIVERSALLY REGRETTED/ THIS MONUMENT HAS BEEN ERECTED TO/ HIS MEMORY BY HIS SORROWING WIDOW/ BLESSED ARE THE DEAD WHICH DIE IN THE LORD/ REV. XIV.15 / F5C
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Post by: Wendi on Saturday 29 March 08 15:32 GMT (UK)

His tomb in Florence's English Cemetery carefully depicts his medals

http://www.florin.ms/armynavy.html

...............and underneath the photo's of the medals is a request.......

"We would appreciate help in identifying these medals"

Anyone ?

Wendi  :)
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Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 29 March 08 15:33 GMT (UK)


I don't think anybody really knew the numbers !!   ::)

STATE OF THE REGIMENT ON OCTOBER 25, 1854.

Lieutenant Percy Smith, who was acting adjutant, in a letter, writes, "the number of horses on parade was 108, exclusive of officers."

The Regimental Record gives the strength of the regiment, including officers, as 128.

The History of the 11th Hussars gives the parade state of the 13th on that day as 130.

Trumpeter Powell, on the authority of Corporal Nagle (both of the 13th), places the strength as low as 103.

From a letter to Colonel Anstruther-Thomson, written by Captain Jenyns, we get yet another figure: "We had 110 horses and eight officers when we went into action (young Goad's horse, the one he jumped the timber on, was knocked over by a round-shot early in the day, and the young 'un hurt in the fall)."

Lieutenant Percy Smith, who, by the way, was the only officer who rode through the charge and came back on his original horse, states that when he formed up the remains of the regiment, after the charge

The total loss of the regiment was three officers killed—Captains Oldham and Goad and Cornet Montgomery; Troop Sergeant-Major Weston, and ten rank and file were also killed. Thirty rank and file were wounded, and two Troop Sergeant-Majors, while ten rank and file were taken prisoners.

Captain Percy Smith was also wounded by a lance-thrust.

These numbers are elsewhere stated thus: killed and missing, 69; roll call, 61.

From: C. R. B. Barrett, History of the XIII Hussars, William Blackwood and Sons, Edinburgh and London, 1911.

*EJ Boys - Smith Lt Percy 13th LD
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Post by: forester on Saturday 29 March 08 15:51 GMT (UK)
Hello Annie,

Having a few problems with Scottish ancestry are you? :)
It's possible your source has used a bit of poetic licence.

This looks like the same family...........

http://www.rootschat.com/links/033o/

"Sir John' eldest son, Sir George, 5th bart, married Catherine, eldest daughter of John Drummond Esq. of Logie Almond and died in 1827, leaving 5 sons and 2 daughters.
The eldest son, Sir John, 6th bart, died without issue, May 20 1838.
His brother, Sir William Drummond Stewart, born Dec. 25 1795, succeeded as 7th baronet. He served in the 15th Hussars in the campaign of 1815 and is a knight of the order of Christ of Italy and Portugal; married in 1830; issue, a son William George, capt 93rd Highlanders, born in Feb. 1831."

Son William George fought in the Crimea and was awarded the VC:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_George_Drummond_Stewart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_George_Drummond_Stewart)

Phil
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Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 29 March 08 15:58 GMT (UK)


Scots Irish Welsh .... even English .... I have a few problems with !!  :D

hmmmmmm ! but my George didn't come home Phil  - and was with 13th Hussars  ::)

And yours died on 19th October 1868, while at Hythe, Hampshire, Stewart was giving a demonstration of sword swallowing when the trick went fatally wrong. He died from internal injuries on 26th October of that year

Are they the same soldier ??  :-\
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Post by: forester on Saturday 29 March 08 16:13 GMT (UK)
It looks like it is the same father...........it's got a bit of both our stories ;D

http://www.rootschat.com/links/033q/ (http://www.rootschat.com/links/033q/)

Phil  :)
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Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 29 March 08 18:12 GMT (UK)


That pedigree is too complicated for me !!  ??? ??? ???

I think we'll just leave things as they are Phil ... and if a relative comes along .... maybe they'll tell us !!  :D :D :D

Your man was in the heavy brigade .... so more than likely the one they were talking about !!  :) :)
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Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 29 March 08 18:25 GMT (UK)


Here's another soldier with a pedigree !!  :) I found him on Harts list and the Army list ... but he doesn't seem to be on EJ Boys list .... under B D or H !!  ::) wonder if Lawrence has him ??

William Henry Beaumont de Horsey

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9F01E6DC1338E633A2575BC0A9639C946496D6CF
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Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 29 March 08 18:51 GMT (UK)


Lieutenant Powell Houghton - wounded at Balaklava - 25th October 1854. died at Scutari 22nd Nov.
Son of George Powell Houghton of Kilmanock Park Co. Wexford.

http://www.redcoat.info/crimcav.htm

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Did Calthorpe’s witnesses actually see Lieutenant Houghton, who was also wearing 11th Hussar uniform, and was retiring fatally wounded?

http://crimeantexts.russianwar.co.uk/topics/carvcal.html

*EJ Boys - Houghton Lt George 11th H
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Post by: forester on Saturday 29 March 08 19:31 GMT (UK)
I can't see Beaumont de Horsey on Lawrence's list and according to the 1863 Hart's he is 1st Regiment of Foot Guards.

Do you want me to check his pedigree? ;D

Phil :)

.................And LC has Houghton as Cornet George Houghton (Casualty Rolls)
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Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 29 March 08 21:35 GMT (UK)



Now for something completely different  :D ........ though this guy has a pedigree too .... but I'm not going there !!  ::)

Armand-Octave-Marie Viscount of Allonville was born Jan. 21 1809 in Hanover and died on October 19 1867 in Versailles.

Viscount Armand-Octave-Marie d'Allonville was born to emigrant parents and acquired the reputation of being one of the best cavalry officers, during the conquest of Algeria and the Crimean War. He was appointed division general. At the end of his life he was senator, chairman of cavalry and grand'croix of the Legion of Honour.

Charge of the Light Brigade - " not an English rider would be living out of this furnace without a chivalrous impulse of General Allonville "

Armand-Octave-Marie d'Allonville and his brigade landed on Sept. 6 1853 in Varna (Bulgaria) During the Crimean campaign, he came to the rescue of English at the Charge of the Light Brigade (October 25, 1854) ....... Armand-Octave of Allonville supported Lord Cardigan steadily throughout the Battle of Balaklava.

Armand-Octave of Allonville was a member of the Military Staff Committee on 17th March 1855. The Campaign of Italy (1859) ended so quickly - leaving no time for the General Allonville to report again and soon his health increasingly shaky - forced him to relinquish his duties active in the French army. He became chairman of the Committee Cavalry - was a member of the General Council of Ille-et-Vilaine. Called on December 31 1865 to be part of the Senate ......  Oct. 19 1867 he succumbed to " breast disease " contracted at the front.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_d'Allonville

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Back from the Mouth of Hell

The fact that they were spared a crossfire from the Fedioukine Hills was due to the courageous efforts of the French 1st Cavalry Brigade commander d'Allonville (commanding the 1st and 4th Regiments of the Chasseurs d'Afrique) who with the 4th Regiment cleared the Fedioukine Hills of the two half batteries of guns, two infantry battalions and Cossacks to ensure the Light Brigade would not be hit by fire from that flank




Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 29 March 08 22:43 GMT (UK)


Marcus  Fitzell Sparling - Roger Fenton’s assistant/colleague

Marcus was born in 1826 in Ireland and became a printer by trade. He enlisted in the 4th Light Dragoons on  17 March 1846 at Hounslow Depot, West London. He was aged 20 and 5' 8" tall. He was given a bounty of £5/18/6d.  The regiment marched from London to Manchester via Banbury (Oxfordshire) in March/April. By Sept. 1846 they were in Dublin. In the spring of 1847 Marcus spent 12 days in hospital but by July had become member of the Band.  In 1850. he is said to have “constructed a field camera with ten wooden frames in a magazine”. After marrying, he left the army in 1853, paying a twenty pound bounty. He was lucky - this regiment was cut to pieces at the Charge of the Light Brigade, and his comrades in arms slaughtered.

He had four sons -  the youngest was called Omar, who apparently became a prize fighter -  killed a man in the ring and fled to America before deserting his wife and three children.. so his wife Veronica went insane and the children were committed to orphanages ........  :-\

Spurling’s book on photography Theory and Practice of the Photographic Art, was published after he came home from the Crimea in 1856. Though he had cheated death once - he did not have long to live - here are the details of his death certificate

“Marcus Sparling, male aged 39 yrs, Photographic Artist. Cause of death, Hepatitis 6 week, Palore-absess Certified. Informant Jane Ball, present at death at 57 Gerard St. Liverpool Registered on 20 April 1860.”

http://barista.media2.org/?p=3256

http://genforum.genealogy.com/crimeanwar/messages/201.html


Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 30 March 08 03:11 BST (UK)


Sergeant Robert Davies  b. 15th October 1828  London

Enlisted  28th November 1850 11th Hussars (Prince Albert's Own)   

Saw action at Balaklava 25th October 1854 slightly wounded     

Commissioned and rose to Lt. Colonel by 1880

*EJ Boys - Davis ( ? ) Sgt   Robert   1495   11th H
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 30 March 08 03:15 BST (UK)

Here's one for Kenhar !

Private James  Dies    b. Manchester - an umbrella frame maker         

enlisted 9th November 1847 8th Hussars ( King's Royal Irish )   

Killed in Action at Balaklava  25th October 1854   

* EJ Boys - Dies    Pte   James   1038   8th H

http://www.rootschat.com/links/033t/
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 30 March 08 03:38 BST (UK)


Trumpeter William Wilson 8th Hussars  ( King's Royal Irish )     

Charged with the Light Brigade at Balaklava and evinced great coolness and courage being then only 16 years of age and the youngest man in the brigade ... he was subsequently at the Battle of Tehernaya

*EJ Boys - Wilson Trmptr William 1204 8th H
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 30 March 08 04:31 BST (UK)


William Rathbone 1819-1902 was a prominent person in the life of Florence Nightingale 

William Rathbone VI was the eldest son of William Rathbone V and Elizabeth (nee Greg). He was a merchant, shipowner, philanthropist and MP, 1968-1895 first for Liverpool and later for Caernarvonshire. He became a partner of Rathbone Brothers and Co., general merchants, in 1842 after some time spent with Nichol, Duckworth and Co. in Liverpool, and Baring   Brothers in London, and remained a partner until 1885.
His first wife was Lucretia Wainwright Gair 1823-27 May 1859 daughter of Samuel Stillman Gair of Liverpool, who he married in 1847. He married again on 6 February 1862 to Esther Emily Acheson Lyle 1863-19 daughter of Acheson Lyle of Londonderry - he had ten children !

He took an interest in nursing which occupied more than half his life. He was the founder of district nursing, and he recognised the importance of effective training for all nurses. He was also largely responsible for improved workhouse conditions. In 1859 soon after the death of his first wife, thinking what intense misery must be felt in the houses of the poor from the want of such home nursing care, he paid a Mrs Robinson the former private nurse of his late wife Lucretia, to go into one of the poorest districts of Liverpool and try, in nursing the poor, to relieve suffering and to teach them the rules of health and comfort.

He achieved the establishment of the Liverpool Training School and Home for Nurses in 1862, from which basis a district nursing system was implemented in Liverpool through the 1860s and spread through the country. His involvement with this scheme led him to an awareness of the poor state of the workhouse hospitals, and he did much to assist in the reform of the nursing in workhouses. In 1888-1889 he was honorary secretary, and then Vice-President of the Queen Victoria Jubilee Institute for Nurses.

He was elected a Liberal MP for Liverpool in 1868, and sat for the city until 1880, he was returned as M.P. for Carnarvonshire from 1861-1885, and for North Carnarvonshire from 1885-1895. He was closely involved in the formation of University College Liverpool in 1882, founding a Professorship in English with his two brothers, and serving as president of the college in 1892. He also played an important part in the establishment of the University College of North Wales in 1884, of which he served as president from 1891. He was made Freeman of the City of Liverpool on 21 Oct 1891.

He died on 6 Mar 1902 at Greenbank


Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 30 March 08 04:46 BST (UK)


Roger Fenton March 20 1819 - August 8 1869

He was born in Heywood, Lancashire. His grandfather was a wealthy Lancashire cotton manufacturer and banker, his father a banker and member of Parliament. Fenton was the fourth of seven children by his father's first marriage. His father had 10 more children by his second wife.

Fenton moved to London at the age of nineteen to study law but during the 1840s he changed direction, and decided to study painting. Like many British artists, Fenton decided to take up photography after seeing examples of the new art form at the Great Exhibition in 1851. He trained in Paris with a leading photographer - and was making his first successful photographs by February 1852.

In November 1854 Roger Fenton became the official government photographer in the Crimea. He purchased a wine merchant`s van and converted it to a mobile darkroom. He hired an assistant, and traveled the English countryside testing the suitability of the van.

In February 1855, he set sail for the Crimea aboard the Hecla, traveling under royal patronage and with the assistance of the British government.  This is probably the reason that Fentons pictures shied away from views that would have portrayed the war in a negative light. There could also have been other factors affecting the content of his pictures, that being that he was using new photographic techniques with a lengthy exposure time would not capture the action of war.  Also the heat in his van during the Spring and Summer months was unbearable, so many of his pictures were taken early in the morning.

He photographed many of the leading figures British soldiers and their camp life and many scenes in and around Balaklava and Sevastopol

In the summer of 1860 Fenton photographed over forty large, luxuriant still lifes once again showing that photography could equal - or surpass - the traditional roles of painting. These images also seem tinged with sadness over the achingly brief beauty of life. Fenton’s only son had died in April 1860 aged fifteen months.

Marcus Sparling, Fenton’s longtime assistant died the same month. The family mill that had helped to support Fenton’s comfortable lifestyle also closed later that year. Photography itself was at a tipping point. Hundreds of thousands of small, cheap photographs flooded the market. Fenton, like many others, found he could not compete with the photographic industry and still uphold his high professional standards

In 1862 Roger Fenton gave up photography for good auctioning off all of his equipment - and returned to the practice of law. Roger Fenton died in 1869 after a brief illness. The family fortune was all but depleted, his artistic endeavors lost, and himself nearly forgotten as a leader in the development of photography in England.

 
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 30 March 08 05:02 BST (UK)


Stephen Kennedy b.1819.

He joined the band of the 88th Regiment the Connaught Rangers aged 13 and then enlisted in 1838 with 17th Lancers and  transferred aged 20 as a trumpeter with the 17th Lancers in 1839 .......  He served as batman to Cornet Taylor the Riding Master during the first quarter of 1854 and he rode in the Charge of the Light Brigade .......... He was sent to Scutari on December 13 1854, and then to England on February 26 1855 ...... serving in 17th Lancers for 21yrs, retiring as a lance-sergeant in 1860. He then took on a civil position at the Royal Small Arms Factory in Enfield North London and also acted as Bugle-major with the 41st Middlesex Volunteer Rifles.

An old newspaper obituary describes much of the information above and also mentions how Stephen was one of the few survivors from the Charge of the Light Brigade at Balaklava

He was awarded the Crimean Medal with 4 clasps -  for the Battle of the Alma - Balaclava -  Inkerman - and Sebastopol - he was also awarded Long Service and Good Conduct medals as a private on January 30 1857 ........ He attended the First Balaclava Banquet on October 25 1875 and was a member of the Balaclava Commemoration Society in both 1877 and 1879.

* EJ Boys - Kennedy Pte Stephen 566 17th L

http://genforum.genealogy.com/crimeanwar/messages/2.html
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 30 March 08 05:34 BST (UK)


Private  William Davies b. London ( a porter ) son of Samuel Davies

Enlisted 25th October 1848 11th Hussars ( Prince Albert's Own )

Killed in Action at Balaklava  25th October 1854

* EJ Boys - Davies   Pte   William 1406 11th H

       
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 30 March 08 05:38 BST (UK)


Seems Lord Cardigan liked to get himself into hot water every now and again !!  ::) ::)

In 1840 one Captain Harvey Tuckett had insulted Lord Cardigan by publishing a letter which attacked him in the strongest terms .....  At 5 p.m. on September 12 they met at the windmill on Wimbledon Common. Shots were exchanged and Tuckett was wounded. The miller (a civilian), arrested all those involved and took them to Wandsworth police station, where they were charged to appear at the Old Bailey on October 20th. Here a grand jury found the Earl of Cardigan and his second - fit to be charged with intent to murder, maim, and cause bodily harm to Captain Tuckett. The Earl as a Peer of the Realm, was to appear before the House of Lords on February 16 1841.

Duelling had been illegal under Lord Lansdowne’s Act since 1828, carrying the death penalty -  in 1837 this was modified to apply only if injury or death resulted, otherwise the penalty was three years’ hard labour or transportation for fifteen years.

The Earl of Cardigan was acquitted on a technicality by a unanimous vote of his peers - the prosecution failed to show that the victim named in the charge and the man found wounded on Wimbledon Common were one and the same person

General public indignation with this much publicised case led to the effective end of all judicial tolerance in the matter of duelling -  after this - all duellers were prosecuted.

Source: http://gaslight.mtroyal.ca/archive/98oct19.htm

The Connaught Journal Thursday October 8th 1840

A London paper complains that 16 officers left the 15th Hussars since Lord Cardigan took the command - but it must be understood in this list are those who were obliged to go out on the reduction of the regiment from the India establishment.
Lieutenant Forrest 11th Hussars, another of Lord Cardigan's officers, was reprimanded by the Horse Guards last week, on complaint of his Lieut.- Colonel for not giving up the key his of barrack rooms, on change of quarters

Lieutenant Tuckett who was wounded by Lord Cardigan in the late duel has left his bed, and is able to walk about his house. Before the Magistrates it was stated by the Police that Captain Tuckett's pistols were of the commonest kind of duelling pistols, but Lord Cardigan's were of a superior manufacture, with hair triggers and French-rifled from within an inch of the muzzles. Lord Cardigan took up the pistols, and shewed the bench that they were not hair triggers, and his Lordship continued to say that he had bought them of Mr. Manton as common duelling pistols, and knew nothing more of them. Captain Douglas said they  were loaded by himself and Captain Wainwright. He looked at the barrels to ascertain whether they were rifled or not, and satisfied himself they were not.

http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Galway/1840/OCT.html

But then October 28th 1840 ........

Lieut. H. Tuckett, late 11th Hussars, was on Wednesday brought up at Wandsworth before the magistrates, for shooting at the Earl of Cardigan with intent to kill, in the late duel at Wimbledon. He was held to bail in 1000l and two sureties of 500l each.

http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Galway/1840/OCT.html
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 30 March 08 14:34 BST (UK)


Cornet John Barry Marshall - 4th Light Dragoons -

Died of disease ( Crimean fever ) at St. George Monastery Balaklava - 20 Sept. 1855.
Aged 25 - son of William Skinner Marshall of London and of Stowmarket Suffolk.
Memorial at Wetherden parish Church Suffolk -
"Sacred to the memory of John Barry Marshall Esqre Captain 4th Light Dragoons who died on the 20th of September 1855 of Crimean Fever at the Monastery of St. George, Balaklava Heights aged 25 second son of William Skinner Marshall Esqre No. 4 Hyde Park Square London."

* EJ Boys - Marshall Lt John 4th LD

http://www.inthefootsteps.com/itfCommercial/CrimeanWar1854-56/CrimeanWarSimpsonPage.htm


Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 30 March 08 15:12 BST (UK)


19th foot Crimean War

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25 Oct 1854   The Russian army that had settled a day or two ago before Balaklava, began offensive operations by attacking two Redoubts garrisoned by the Turks, whom on their approach bolted without offering the least resistance and which ultimately led to a General Engagement in which the British Light Cavalry suffered severely. Not being an eye witness of this affair altho' the reports of cannonading and musketry could be distinctly heard by the troops before Sebastopol and who were out under arms the greater part of the day, suffice it will be to observe that this battle reflected both credit and discredit upon the British, tho' nevertheless no question could be put forward to the discredit of the bravery of the Troops engaged or the ultimate result of their behaviour as the enemy were defeated in their designs and prevented from further molesting for a time this position of the British.

26 Oct 1854   Not satisfied with the result of yesterday before Balaklava the enemy tried his hand in the shape of a sortie in broad day approaching as it appeared in the direction from the Carreen Bay toward the hill in front of the 1st Brigade Light Division, and of the 2nd Division where afterwards a redoubt was thrown up and named "Victoria".   This sortie was met by the 2nd Division under Sir Lacy-de-Evans which after a sharp cannonading and fusilade he repulsed, the enemy retiring into the town.

Hitherto burials having been made at no particular place, and as it was desirable that some particular spot should be selected, a Division order was issued today directing the place in the ravine to the left of the Worensoff Road under the Picquet House to be the burial ground of the Light Division instead of in the hollow near the Windmill.

29 Oct 1854   In General after orders of this day the subjoined were issued to the troops in praise of the battle of Balaklava fought on the 25th and of the sortie repulsed on the 26th Inst.

The Commander of the Forces feels deeply indebted to Major General Sir Colon Campbell KCB for his able and persevering exertions in the action in front of Balaklava on the 25 Inst and he has great pleasure in publishing to the army the brilliant manner in which the 93 Highlanders under his able directions repulsed the enemy's cavalry.   The Major General had such confidence in this distinguished Corps that he was satisfied that it should receive the charge in line, and the result proved that his confidence was not misplaced.   The Commander of the Forces considers it his duty to notice the brilliant conduct of the Division of Cavalry under the command of Lt. Genl the Earl of Lucan in the action of the 25th Inst, he congratulates Br Genl the Hon I.G. Scarlett and the officers and men of the Heavy Brigade upon their successful charge and repulse of the Russian Cavalry in far greater force than themselves, and while he condoles with Major General the Earl of Cardigan and the officers and men of the Light Brigade on the heavy loss it sustained, he feels it to be due to them to place on record the gallantry they displayed and the coolness and perseverance with which they executed one of the most arduous attacks that was ever witnessed under the heaviest fire, and in face of powerful bodies of Artillery Cavalry and Infantry.

http://www.greenhowards.org.uk/gh-diaries/charlieusherwood-6.htm

Here's a challenge .... who do you think this is ??  :-\

I know this soldier was with the 19th foot and they were not at the Charge .... but I thought it was a poignant urging of a son to his mother .........  :-\

In 1854, a private in the 19th Foot, from Worthing, who fought at the battle of Alma in the Crimea, where his regiment suffered severely, wrote a letter to his mother about his experiences.

Sadly, his name is lost to history, but he penned the following from his camp near Sebastopol -

"Dear mother, I have to tell you that we are near Sebastopol, and the shot and shell are flying about us like hail.

"As good luck is, they do not hurt anyone. We are at work at entrenchments close to the walls and I could jerk a stone into the town on the top of the people.

"They fire on us with their big guns every night, and they are no joke mind you, for the shot are 56-pounders. We are up five or six nights a week, and what is worst of all, we get green coffee, and when we should be sleeping or eating we have that to burn and pound.

"I don't know how we shall get on, for we have a queer task to do and no mistake. There is a talk that we are to make an attack tomorrow morning; so if you do not hear from me any more you must write to the War Office, and enquire whether I am dead or not. You must put my number 2462, and tell them the regiment I belong to; and if they tell you I am dead, you must write for the money that is coming to me.

"But I hope, please God, to come back again."

http://archive.theargus.co.uk/2003/2/13/140457.html
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: forester on Sunday 30 March 08 16:15 BST (UK)
Hello Annie,

Is this site in your archive yet?

http://www.historyhome.co.uk/forpol/crimea/crimeaov.htm

Phil  :)
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 30 March 08 16:27 BST (UK)


It's a good one isn't it ? ... I have used it but I seem to be able .... with my butterfly mind .... to find stuff all over the place !!  :D :D :D

I stay on topic ...... only sometimes !!

I'm amusing myself here and just putting down what I find interesting !!  :D :D :D :D

But thanks for looking Phil .... at least I know you and Wendi keep tabs on me !!   ;D
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 30 March 08 17:54 BST (UK)


Valetta Malta June 19th ... Sir John Elijah Blunt British Consul at Boston from 1899 - 1902 died here today at the age of 84 . Sir John who was knighted in 1902 had been in the consular service since 1850 much of the time in Turkey
June 20 1916 The New York Times

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9E0DE7DB173BE633A25753C2A9609C946796D6CF

Sir John Elijah BLUNT, aged 86 years. Born in Adrianople the son of Charles Blunt and Caroline, nee Vitalis. His father had been HM Consul in Smyrna.  From 1850 he worked in the Consular Service mostly in Mediterranean countries and made it his career. During the Crimean War he was secretary to Lord Lucan, and served as Chief Interpreter to the Calvary Division. He was present at the battles of Alma, Balaklava and Inkerman, and awarded the Crimean Medal with the three clasps. After the war he held numerous diplomatic posts representing HM Government in Turkey, Greece and Bulgaria, and for short terms he acted as the Consul for France, Germany, and Belgium in Greece and Turkey. His last post from 1899 to 1902, was in Boston, U.S.A.  He was buried 19th May 1916

http://website.lineone.net/~stephaniebidmead/BritishResidents1900-1979.htm

Sir John Elijah Blunt, 1832-1916 was a distinguished British consul of the late nineteenth century, with numerous family ties to the consular service. He was the son of Charles Blunt, HM Consul at Smyrna, and of Caroline Vitalis, daughter of HM Consul at Brussa. After education privately and at Kensington Grammar School, Sir John first came to prominence as chief interpreter and aide-de-campe to Lord Lucan during the Crimean War, being present at the battles of Alma, Balaclava and Inkerman. Having held various consular appointments in Uskub, Adrianople, Belgrade and Bitholia, he was appointed HM Consul-General for Salonica, 1879-1899, and HM Consul (with the rank of Consul General) at Boston, 1899-1902. He was created Companion of the Bath in 1878 and knighted in 1902, the year of his retirement to Malta, after more than half a century of consular activity.

http://maviboncuk.blogspot.com/2004/06/sir-john-elijah-blunt-1832-1916.html

Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 30 March 08 20:48 BST (UK)

Well ........ !! ... I came across this ... and wow what an exciting life this soldier led !! and as I love to chase balloons every October in New Mexico .... I think he's quite fascinating !!


"Argentine history also recounts the story of one called Robert Chodasiewicz, who fought in the Polish uprisings of the 1840's, was sent to Siberia, received the British Crimean Medal, fought with Grant in the United States Civil War and then relocated to Argentina where he became "Primer Aviador" (the first Argentine flier-balloonist)."

Lieutenant Colonel Robert Adolph Chodasiewicz (1832-1896)

He was born in Wilna (or Vilna), Poland, February 29, 1832, the son of Simón Chodasiewicz and Filipina Ravené, a family descendant from the count of Habdang. That year, his father, who had participated in an insurrection against Czar Nicholas I in 1831, in trying to obtain freedom for Poland, was confined by the authorities. Under those circumstances, he obtained work as the administrator of an agricultural colony in the neighborhood of Staraia, (Department of Novogorod), under the condition that his male children, from 9 to 11 years of age, would enter Military School.

During 1853, Russia and Turkey entered into conflict for control over the Crimea (1853-1856); in this fight, for different reasons, France and Great Britain were also involved and on the 28th of March, 1854, declared war on Russia. Robert A. Chodasiewicz, with the rank of Lieutenant with troops control, was assigned to the Tarutino Regiment that was mobilized to the zone of conflict. There he performed missions of a scientific type and intelligence, dedicated primarily to the field of engineering (topographic improvements, defensive installations, etc). The nature of these activities was the one that with the accumulated military experience and the different particular tasks developed in compatible fields, acquired the title and specialization of engineer. The 20th of September of that year, he participated in the battle of Arroyo Alma with a shining performance, reason for which the "Order of San Vladamir" was granted to him. Soon, under the direction of German Engineer Todleben, between the 25th of September and the 3rd of November, he participated in the planning and construction of the fortifications of Sebastopol, which the French and English began to attack at the end of the 17th of October, 1854.

He participated in the battle in the city of Balaklava where the fame of the Light Cavalry was initiated, under the command of Count de Cardigan, when he went to the center of the enemy position, in crease, charging against it and incurring an excessive number of casualities.

The 5th of November, he fought in the battle of Inkerman, where Chodasiewicz was wounded by bayonet in the left hand during a enemy assault on his positions. By this action, he was promoted to the degree of Captain and commisioned to the village of Churgun to begin topografic improvements to the British fortifications in Balaklava.

Initially he was suspected to be a spy he was stopped 10 days by the head of the British troops James Henry Somerest Fitzroy, later, Lord Raglan (1788-1855) and was assigned different technical missions. His extraordinary technical capacity enabled him to propose the formation of an intelligence unit. The Department of Secret Inteligence organized (Secret Intelligent Departament), to which an office of interpreters in charge of Mr. Jackson was added to him. After that, the Russians organized operations behind the lines, which allowed him, in addition, to spy on the military post office and to maintain correspondence with the assistant of the Russian Commander-in-Chief, Prince Gorchakoff.

Lieutenant Colonel Chodasiewicz passed away in the city of Buenos Aires August 17 1896.

Please read his "hard to believe " story below !!

http://www.earlyaviators.com/echodase.htm

Over the nineteenth century was also used for military purposes during the War of the Triple Alliance a captive balloon Brazilian army allowed to observe artillery Paraguayan, this observation was conducted on July 6, 1866 in which Argentine military engineer of Polish origin Roberto A. Chodasiewicz became the first Latin American military balloon rise in

http://www.rootschat.com/links/033w/

Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 30 March 08 23:00 BST (UK)


GOUGH-CALTHORPE, Somerset John B. 23 Jan 1831 - D. 16 Nov 1912 age 81 years  England
Son of Frederick, fourth Baron Calthorpe, and of Lady Charlotte Sophia Somerset, eldest dau of sixth Duke of Beaufort

Somerset John Gough-Calthorpe was a nephew of Fitzroy James Henry Somerset, otherwise known as Lord Raglan. Therefore it is no surprise that Somerset was an aide de campe to Raglan during the Crimean War.

Somerset John Gough-Calthorpe was present at the battles of the Alma, Balaklava, Inkerman and Sevastopol. In fact he was wounded by shell fragments at Balaklava, and may have had to be nursed at Scutari Hospital. His horse Prodigy went with him to the Crimea and died in 1861. Calthorpe was so fond of his horse that he had a snuffbox made from Prodigy's hoof. You can see the snuff box on display at the Royal Armouries Leeds in the War Gallery.

After the Battle of the Alma he remarked that three times as many English soldiers' bodies lay torn and mangled on the battlefield than French or Russian soldiers. He observed 'that those shot through the heart or forehead appeared to have died with a smile on their faces, generally speaking lying flat on their backs, with the arms spread out and the legs rather apart....Those who appeared to have died in the greatest pain were shot through the stomach; these had always their legs and arms bent and with all the expression of agony on their faces.'

Calthorpe wrote a book about his experiences in the Crimea in 1857 called 'Letters from Headquarters on the realities of the war in the Crimea: by an Officer of the Staff'. Lord Cardigan took offence at the way he was portrayed in these memoirs and in the Spring of 1863 took a libel action out against Somerset Calthorpe. This was after he had tried and failed to get Calthorpe court-martialled for his comments.

Lord Cardigan was particulary irritated by the allegation that he was not present at the critical point before the Charge of the Light Brigade. As Cardigan was the Lieutenant General in charge of the Light Cavalry Brigade at Balaklava, this was damning indeed. The case, however, never came to trial.

This sword is a presentation sword with the following inscription.

'Presented by The Yeomanry of the Honble. F.H.W.G. Calthorpe to his brother Major the Honble. Somerset John Gough Calthorpe of the 8th Hussars Aide de Campe to the late Lord Raglan on his safe return from the Crimea As a token of their Appreciation of and Esteem for his Character November 1855'.



Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 30 March 08 23:57 BST (UK)


Charge of the Light Brigade - Kipling's response

In 1881 Rudyard Kipling wrote a poem in response, entitled The Last of the Light Brigade, which attempted to shame the British public by depicting the difficult conditions suffered by the survivors of the Light Brigade.

The Last of the Light Brigade
 
There were thirty million English who talked of England's might,
There were twenty broken troopers who lacked a bed for the night.
They had neither food nor money, they had neither service nor trade;
They were only shiftless soldiers, the last of the Light Brigade.

They felt that life was fleeting; they knew not that art was long,
That though they were dying of famine, they lived in deathless song.
They asked for a little money to keep the wolf from the door;
And the thirty million English sent twenty pounds and four!

They laid their heads together that were scarred and lined and grey;
Keen were the Russian sabres, but want was keener than they;
And an old Troop-Sergeant muttered, "Let us go to the man who writes
The things on Balaclava the kiddies at school recites."

They went without bands or colours, a regiment ten-file strong,
To look for the Master-singer who had crowned them all in his song;
And, waiting his servant's order, by the garden gate they stayed,
A desolate little cluster, the last of the Light Brigade.

They strove to stand to attention, to straighten the toil-bowed back;
They drilled on an empty stomach, the loose-knit files fell slack;
With stooping of weary shoulders, in garments tattered and frayed,
They shambled into his presence, the last of the Light Brigade.

The old Troop-Sergeant was spokesman, and "Beggin' your pardon," he said,
"You wrote o' the Light Brigade, sir. Here's all that isn't dead.
An' it's all come true what you wrote, sir, regardin' the mouth of hell;
For we're all of us nigh to the workhouse, an, we thought we'd call an' tell.

"No, thank you, we don't want food, sir; but couldn't you take an' write
A sort of 'to be continued' and 'see next page' o' the fight?
We think that someone has blundered, an' couldn't you tell 'em how?
You wrote we were heroes once, sir. Please, write we are starving now."

The poor little army departed, limping and lean and forlorn.
And the heart of the Master-singer grew hot with "the scorn of scorn."
And he wrote for them wonderful verses that swept the land like flame,
Till the fatted souls of the English were scourged with the thing called Shame.

O thirty million English that babble of England's might,
Behold there are twenty heroes who lack their food to-night;
Our children's children are lisping to "honour the charge they made-"
And we leave to the streets and the workhouse the charge of the Light Brigade!

Rudyard Kipling

Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 31 March 08 14:39 BST (UK)


I wonder who this is .... any ideas ?? not on the VC list either !!  ::) ::) ::)

Died. John Harling, 93, a member of the famed group of British soldiers who charged the Russians during the Crimean War and were immortalized by Poet Tennyson in "The Charge of The Light Brigade," recipient from the hands of Queen Victoria of the Victoria Cross; at Quincy, Mass., in the night.

Time magazine Monday, Jan. 25 1926

LIGHT BRIGADE SOLDIER 'DIES' John Hatting ( sic )  a Member of Famous British Cavalry Unit, Was 93.

NY Times January 16 1926 Saturday

* EJ Boys - Harling Pte Richard 1393 4th LD ( ? )
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Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 31 March 08 14:51 BST (UK)


I hadn't seen this picture before .... had you ? .......  :)

1921 - Pictured is last survivor Sergeant Major Edwin Hughes and written about in article entitled STATESMEN, FINANCIERS AND SURVIVORS OF FAMOUS EPOCHS in an unusual photograph entitled LAST OF THE SIX HUNDRED, the last survivor of the famous Light Brigade at Bakaklava as saved from this old American pictorial magazine.

http://genealogyimagesofhistory.com/images3/John-W-Inzer.jpg
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Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 31 March 08 16:09 BST (UK)


Private James  Donaldson       4th Light Dragoons (Queen's Own) Killed in Action  at Balaklava  25 October 1854     

http://seerargent.livejournal.com/8234.html

* EJ Boys - Donaldson Pte James 961 4th LD
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 31 March 08 17:19 BST (UK)


Now here is an interesting site !!  :D

http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchresult.cfm?keyword=+Crimean+War&submit.x=0&submit.y=0

I plugged in Crimean War .... and got 30 pages of images ... a lot of them are Russian soldiers from the war .... we need Mike to give us some pointers as to who they are .... some names I recognise .... but did they ALL fight in the war .... were some at Balaklava ??

And on the same site .... look at this ..... very cool I think !!  :D :D ..... in fact I think they're wonderful !!  :)

http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchresult.cfm?parent_id=745924&word=
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Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 31 March 08 23:42 BST (UK)


How sad ! ......  :-\

British Cavalry - Graves in the Crimea and Scutari

8th King's Royal Irish Hussars

"To the memory of Private ED. CAMMELL aged 34 years of the 8th Kings Royal Irish Hussars who departed this life 18th June 1855 Erected by his only brother D. Cammell Hospital Serjeant of the same Corps."

*EJ Boys - Cammell Pte Edward 696 8th H
                Cammell  H Sgt David 904 8th H
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 31 March 08 23:47 BST (UK)


All the men I've checked so far - are on EJ Boys list !!  :-\

British Cavalry - Graves in the Crimea and Scutari

11th Hussars

"Sacred to the memory of the men of the 11th Hussars
who died in the years 1855 & 1856

Prts. W. Taylor Jany 18th - Prts G. Priestly Aust. 24th
T. Sawbridge Jany 28th - A. Fleming Aust. 26th
J. Strutt Feby 1st - G. Robinson Aust. 26th
J. Massey March 14th - G. Ellis Aust. 27th
T. Ellis June 16th - E. Hoar Oct. 7th
E. Wilcox June 25th - G. Keates Oct. 19th
G. Wiffey July 5th - G. Smith Decr. 11th
Corpl. E. Mallalien July 8th - F. Owen Mch. 22nd 55
Prts. H. Pryor Aust. 18th - V. Bishton Apl. 2nd
W. Pearce Aust. 23rd - R. Friston Apl. 23rd
J. Hall Aust. 24th - W. Baker July 5th 55

M.C. Ancell Asnt Srgn Agst 10th 1855
E. Hudson Jany 31st 1855
E. Seabrook Corpl May 24th 1855"

(grave near Kadikoi)

"Sacred to the memory of WILLIAM BAKER Privte. 11th (P.A.O.) Hussars who died July 5th 1855 Aged 39 years."
(grave near Kadikoi).

"Sacred to the memory of Sergt. EDWD. HUDSON 11th (P.A.O.) Hussars who departed this life Jany. 31st 1855 Aged 32 years."
(grave near Kadikoi).

"Sacred to the memory of Cpl EDWD SEABROOK 11th (P.A.O.) Hussars who departed this life May 24th 1855 Aged 29 years."
(grave near Kadikoi).
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Tuesday 01 April 08 00:09 BST (UK)


The Cemetery

Just to your right as you face the main entrance to the former General Hospital  there is a signposted path leading down towards the sea to the British Cemetery. The first part of the cemetery holds Queen Victoria’s monument and some marked war graves. Many of the gravestones tell a sad and evocative tale. Old Mr. Ward, storekeeper at the Barrack Hospital, and Mrs. Ward died of cholera within a few days of each other. A young man was being invalided home but was killed in a collision at sea. The son of a peer died at Scutari of wounds received at the battle of Balaclava. And so on. Under the extensive unmarked turf also lie many of the nearly 5000 British ordinary soldiers who died of wounds or sickness in the Barrack and General Hospitals nearby. This cemetery in Florence Nightingale’s day occupied a beautiful spot on a cliff overlooking the Bosphorus. Now it overlooks the shipping terminal and railway tracks, except that a screen of rather scruffy trees obscures the view. From this first cemetery a path leads further south to another cemetery containing military dead from later wars and a large number of graves of local British residents.

http://www.florence-nightingale-avenging-angel.co.uk/scutari.htm
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Post by: liverpool annie on Tuesday 01 April 08 01:01 BST (UK)


Corporal  William Donald  8th Hussars ( King's Royal Irish)   b. London 

Killed in Action at Balaklava    25 October 1854   

a labourer - enlisted 9th April 1838

*EJ Boys - Donald Cpl William   579   8th H
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 06 April 08 04:15 BST (UK)


Update !! .... thought I'd tell you .... even though you didn't miss me !!  ::) ::) ::)

US board for Walpole Roland

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,294322.0.html

Canada board for Walpole Roland !!

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,296792.msg1793294.html#msg1793294
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 06 April 08 04:21 BST (UK)


And another Update ........ !!

US Board .... Harling Quincy Mass

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,296004.msg1789259.html#msg1789259
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Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 06 April 08 04:27 BST (UK)

And another ....

Common Room ... George H Baynes
AND
"Last of the famous "Six Hundred" dead: William Nelms, one of the heroes who charged at Balaklava, sleeps his last sleep at Manassa, Colorado

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,291902.0.html
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 06 April 08 04:30 BST (UK)


At a bit of a standstill here .... I have to go downtown again  ::)

US Board ..... Alexander Sutherland

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,291921.0.html
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 06 April 08 21:52 BST (UK)


Lieutenant-General Sir Drury Curzon Drury-Lowe GCB (3 January 1830 – 1908)

had a distinguished military career in the 19th century British Army. He was born on 3 January 1830 and educated privately at his home, Locko Park near Spondon in Derbyshire, before gaining a BA at Corpus Christi College, Oxford. He joined the 17th Lancers in 1854 as a Cornet. He was commissioned a Lieutenant in November 1854 and Captain in November 1856.
He served in the Crimean War at the Battle of Chernaya River and was at the Siege of Sevastopol when it fell. He also saw service in the Indian Mutiny in 1858–1859. He purchased a commission as Major in 1862, and was promoted to Lieutenant-Colonel in 1866 -  Sometime between 1862 and 1867 he assumed the surname Drury-Lowe in place of Lowe. He commanded the regiment for 12 years - most notably at the Battle of Ulundi the last pitched battle of the Anglo-Zulu War. He was appointed CB in 1879. In the 1882 Anglo-Egyptian War, he received the surrender of Urabi Pasha. He was publicly thanked in the House of Commons, and knighted on November 18, 1882.
Drury-Lowe was Inspector of Cavalry at Aldershot from 1885 to 1890. He was promoted to Lieutenant-General in 1890. He became Colonel of the 17th Lancers in 1892. He retired in 1895 and was awarded the G.C.B. and then resided at Keydell House, Horndean. He died on April 6, 1908.

http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/wsc/docs/1882drurylowe.html

*EJ Boys - Lowe Lt Drury 17th L


Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 07 April 08 02:41 BST (UK)



Well now ... here's another Ryan !! Thomas Ryan

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2007/10/22/tale-spinner-or-war-hero-ryan-s-riddle-55578

*EJ Boys - Ryan   Pte   Thomas   1555   4th LD

I wasn't able to find this one either !! but I'm wondering if this one is Daniel ??

http://www.oakleachapel.co.uk/articles/article.asp?ArticleID=11

*EJ Boys - Ryan   Pte   Daniel   997   8th H


Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 07 April 08 03:37 BST (UK)


Lieutenant-General Edward Seager CB (1812–1883) was a British Army officer who served in the Crimean War and in the Indian Mutiny.
Seager, was born on 11 June 1812, and, after serving in the ranks for nine years and one hundred and eighty-eight days from 1832, became a cornet of the 8th Light Dragoons on 17 September 1841. He was adjutant from 5 October 1841 to 25 October 1854, being gazetted lieutenant on 29 June 1843, captain on 26 October 1851, and major 31 January 1858.
He served with his regiment in the Crimean War of 1854, and up to February 1855, and was present at the battles of Alma, Balaclava (where he was wounded), Inkerman, and the siege of Sebastopol. On 28 June 1855 he was appointed assistant military secretary to Major-general Lord William Paulet, commanding on the Bosphorus, and continued in the same office under Sir Henry Knight Storks until the end of the war on 31 July 1856, when he was rewarded with a medal and four clasps, the fifth class of Medjidie, and the Turkish medal.
Later on he served in Central India, 1858–9, was present at the action of Boordah, was mentioned in the despatches, and received a medal. From 5 August 1859 to 5 August 1864 he was lieutenant-colonel of his regiment, and was then gazetted a brevet colonel in the army.
From 3 November 1864 to 31 January 1870 he was acting quartermaster-general in the Dublin district, and from 1 April 1873 to 3 April 1878 inspecting officer of yeomanry cavalry at York. On 15 January 1870 he became a major-general, and on 1 July 1881 was placed on the retired list with the rank of lieutenant-general. On 10 May 1872 he received one of the rewards for ‘distinguished and meritorious services,’ and on 2 June 1877 was gazetted C.B.
He died at Sion House, Scarborough, on 30 March 1883.

*EJ Boys - Seager Lt Edward 8th H
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 07 April 08 03:44 BST (UK)


Henry Roxby Benson (1818 - 1892)

was born into a distinguished Welsh family who had its origins in North Yorkshire before moving to London - he was gazetted into the 17th Lancers in 1840 and rose steadily until he commanded the regiment in the field during the Crimean War .....  Subsequent service in India (where he commanded the 2nd Cavalry at Malwa) lead to further promotions, notably Colonel of the 7th Hussars  Appointed CB in 1861 he continued to rise until his final promotion to the rank of General twenty years later

*EJ Boys - Benson   Maj   Henry 17th L
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: usartillery on Monday 07 April 08 13:24 BST (UK)
One slight correction to the entry for Cornet Grey Neville . . . he was in the 5th Dragoon GUARDS, not 5th Dragoons (who were not in the Crimea).

A couple of other comments:

You might consider joining the Crimean War Research Society at http://www.crimeanwar.org/

I think you would enjoy our journal (said the editor, immodestly) and contact with other Crimean War scholars.

You might also like to write an article about what you have found on Sutherland for our journal . . . with the caution that it may all be an old wive's tale [The only Sutherland I could find in the Light Brigade was 1800 Pte William Sutherland (17th Lancers) who never embarked for the Crimea]. I would check with Roy Mills at the EJB Archives as he may know more about this man. The additional details about his participation in the Sand Creek Massacre seemed a bit far fetched, although possible. I have learned to never state anything too positively . . . I suggested someone who wrote an article to the Times about riding behind Lord Cardigan in the Charge (although his name did not appear in the musters of the Light Brigade) was not a charger. Turns out he was, but enlisted under an alias. Lots of chappies claimed to have charged and appear in newspaper obituaries and on tombstones, but the number far exceeds the actual number of participants . . .
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 07 April 08 16:20 BST (UK)



Well Lawrence it's " all in the details " as they say !!  :D I had GUARDS in one sentence and not in the other .... it's there now though !!  :D

Our friend Sutherland wasn't at Sand Creek .... he missed it by a few months !!  ::) .... I just filled in the information about it - for the benefit of anybody who was interested to read it .... and it did happen in my part of the world !!

A scholar I'm not - I'm afraid ..... everything I have found has been found Googling and with the help of others ... I have tons of questions that I've asked on nearly every post ....  :) this was a project to get my mind working on other things apart from the first anniversary of the death of my son .... I wanted to do something that may give somebody else an idea of what their relation did .... but like "Topsy " it just "growed " !!  :)

And the American ones have turned out to be fascinating ..... and I'll just keep on going until I can see if I can find any answers !! ..... I believe that most of them weren't in the Charge ( in those days who was going to check ?? they could say anything they wanted to !!  :) )

But they are all men who seemed to live very full lives - which really blows me away when I think about the times they lived in and the problems of transportation - getting from one part of the world to the other etc etc !!

I need to do a write up for the Western Historical Library ... but I would like a few more definitive answers first .... more research needs to be done on Sutherland and George Baynes before anything can be written as definite ..... but I'll certainly send you a copy when it's done !!

Annie  :)


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Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 07 April 08 17:46 BST (UK)



I found this in the New York Times

NY Times April 5th 1908

Newtown Conn has among its inhabitants a Thomas Kenzie who also returned from the Charge of the Light Brigade .... Kenzie at the age of 73 is still alive to tell the tale ...... moreover is still able to do a good days work ..... Kenzie says he himself knows of still another survivor of the famous Charge ........ Kenzies own history reads like an extract from the life of an adventurer of the days of Queen Elizabeth

Born in 1835 in Montgomery North Wales he began work at the age of 12 by carrying mail for a man named Price - after four years of this - his father turned him out of the home and apprenticed him to a brass finisher

Tiring of this he joined her Majesty's forces and began soldiering in Ireland .... after seeing service there he sailed in the transport "Himalaya" and arrived in time to be in the thick of the fighting on the Crimean Peninsula ... he served at the Battle of Alma and later at Balaklava where he was wounded in the hand by a bayonet thrust - of which he still bears the scar .... after Balaklava Kenzie was sent to Malta with the other sick and wounded

Not at all discouraged by his Crimean adventures Kenzie left Malta in 1856 and went to India just in time for the Sepoy Mutiny which broke out May 10th 1857 Kenzie was with Sir Colin Campbells force which relieved Lucknow after the siege on September 25th

After the mutiny his regiment was sent to China Later he went with it to Ceyln to Cape Town and to St Helena and St Vincent His next active service was in Abyssinia 18656-66 - At the end of this a part of the regiment was sent to Ireland

Quitting the service Kenzie went to New South Wales where he lived for 5 years

His last migration was to the United States in 1873 and for 6 years he divided his time between Ohio and Illinois finally settling permanently in Newtown Conn ..... Having completed 30 years of adventure and soldiering he then settled down into a hardworking citizen ... he married and had 4 children

Kenzie attends strictly to business and wastes no time relating his former  military career to his neighbours so that until the assertion put forward that Nelius ( sic Nelms ) was the sole survivor of Balaklava roused him to speech - even his near neighbours had not been acquainted with his adventures in the service of the Queen

http://www.rootschat.com/links/035r/

and I've posted on the US board !

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,297294.0.html

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Post by: liverpool annie on Tuesday 08 April 08 05:06 BST (UK)


Thanks to Tisgrannie .... I have become acquainted with a poignant blog ........ !

And although this isn't "the Charge " ... I'd like to include this here !

In Gosforth church there is a large marble plaque describing the death of Captain Charles Allan Parker, Royal Marines, who was killed during during the Crimean War (1853-56) fought between Russia and an alliance of Britain, Turkey, France & Sardinia. Though the principal and most memorable events of this absurd & tragic conflict took place on the Crimean Peninsula on the north coast of the Black Sea, most famously the charge of the Light Brigade, there were other less well known encounters, principally naval actions aimed at disrupting Russia's Far Eastern trade routes. One was at Kamtschatka (Kamchatka) on Russia's Pacific seaboard.

http://cumbrianwarmemorials.blogspot.com/search/label/Crimea


Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 10 April 08 01:21 BST (UK)



Wonder where these photos are now ??  :-\

Liverpool Lord Mayors fund to be given one guinea for each photograph printed.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ENG-LIVERPOOL/2002-01/1011619133
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 10 April 08 01:24 BST (UK)


Trivia ........  :D

The 11th Hussars had the nickname "CHERRY BUMS" ...... do you know why?
 
Because the Troopers in this regiment were entitled to wear cherry red trousers which gave rise to their nickname !  :D
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 12 April 08 21:25 BST (UK)


Just so you know ..... I'm still chasing the American contingent .........  ;D ;D ;D ;D

I'm so close ....... but not quite there yet !!  :) :)

Archivists are all excited and on the hunt now .... thats good ... I don't have to chase around so much .... but as soon as I know something ......................  :D :D :D
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: forester on Saturday 12 April 08 23:23 BST (UK)
Hello  Annie,

Hurry up with George Baynes please  ;D

Did you catch this thread in passing?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,296821.0.html

Not the Crimea, but another Englishman that fought in the Civil War and a great picture on page 2.  :)

Phil  :)
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 13 April 08 04:49 BST (UK)


Well Phil .... I can tell you for sure - he's not at Arlington !! .... they say he's not at the Soldiers Home cemetery either .... but I've asked for a second opinion on that .... I think he's more than likely there !!  ::) .... but I'm waiting to hear !!

I'm hurrying as much as I can - honest ! ........  ;D ;D

Yes I saw that post !! the photo was wonderful ...... I love those sort of things !!  :D

I need to get back on here again ... I've been "playing " too much !!

Annie  :)
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 14 April 08 05:33 BST (UK)



Private Daniel Haxhall 1536 b. 1834 Stowmarket .... son of John Haxhall Stowmarket Suffolk

Enlisted 1st June 1852 Ipswich ..... Killed October 25th 1854 Balaklava

* EJ Boys - Haxhall Pte Daniel 1536 4th Light Dragoons                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                     
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: forester on Monday 14 April 08 21:40 BST (UK)
My local one Annie,

James Bagshaw, Private 1581, 4th Light Dragoons.

Enlisted at Brighton, 12th Jan 1854
Occupation: Labourer.

Fought in the Charge of the Light Brigade and was captured by the Russians.
Released 22nd Oct 1855.

His real name was James Backshall , baptised at St Peters, Ardingly, Sussex on 15th Nov 1835, the son of David and Amelia (nee Marchant).

At some point James returned to Ardingly and is buried in St Peters churchyard (Plot 130).

The inscription on his headstone reads:

                                                IN
                                              MEMORY OF
                                         JAMES BACKSHALL
                                    DIED 11th MARCH 1872
                                          AGED 37 YEARS

                                       In the midst of life
                                        We are in death



*EJ Boys- Bagshaw Pte James 1581 4th LD
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 14 April 08 21:50 BST (UK)


That's a lovely one Phil !! .... so meaningful when you can actually find details and be close !!

Thank you !  :)
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 26 April 08 05:16 BST (UK)


( I know we've had him before ... but I can't find him !!  ::) ::) )


James Ryan was born in Youghal County Cork he originally enlisted in the 3rd Light Dragoons on 8th April 1836 and transferred to the 17th Lancers on 1st July 1853. His membership of the Balaclava Commemoration Society would seem to confirm his having charged. He was entitled to three bars Balaklava, Inkermann, Sebastopol ...... He was invalided out of the service in 1857 and went to live in the village of Westleigh Devonshire - where he was known to be living in 1863. He was also entitled to the Sutlej medal with clasps for Moodkee, Ferozeshuhur and Sobraon. He was wounded in action at Ferozeshuhur on 21st December 1845. Furthermore he was entitled to the Punjab medal with clasps for Chilianwala and Goojerat.

He's in 1871 census as a Widower with 3 young children Military Pensioner  1881 census with new wife Jane but with only the son James Chelsea Pensioner but dead by 1891 census Jane widow and son James only

*EJ Boys -  Ryan   Pte   James   1155   17th Lancers
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 26 April 08 21:45 BST (UK)


Here's a group that were sold on the e word and some history - I wanted them but they got too rich for my blood !!  :D

British Crimean War medal group awarded to Corporal Charles Cousins 4th Light Dragoons Light Brigade, 18th Hussars, 5th Dragoon Guards. The group consists of -  British Crimea War Medal 1854-56, with four clasps, "Alma," “Balaklava,” “Inkermann,” “Sebastopol” (Silver, Queen Victoria, officially impressed: C. Cousins, 4th Lt.Dtagns.) Turkish Crimea War Medal 1855 (Silver, Sardinian reverse, impressed C. Cousins, 4th Light Dragoons). The awards came with official ribbon and were in Very Fine condition.
Corporal Cousins enlisted in the 4th Light Dragoons February 17 1851. The muster roll for the day of the CHARGE OF THE LIGHT BRIGADE shows he was "UNDOUBTEDLY PRESENT." Cousins transferred to the 18th Hussars in 1858 and the 5th Dragoon Guards in 1860. He served until discharged as "Time expired" March 31 1863.
 
The British Crimea War Medal 1854-56 - was awarded to British and some French units which served in the Crimean War between March 28 1854, and March 30 1856. The Alma clasp was awarded to British units which took part in the Battle of Alma on September 20 1854. The Balaklava clasp was awarded to British units which took part in the Battle of Balaklava on October 25 1854. This is the battle where the Charge of the Light Brigade took place. For this battle also the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders received the Battle Honour Balaklava and were immortalized as the Thin Red Line. The Inkermann clasp was awarded to British units which took part in the Battle of Inkermann on November 5 1854. The Sebastopol clasp was awarded to British units which took part in the siege and capture of Sebastopol between September 11 1854, and September 9 1855. The Turkish Crimea War Medal 1855 was conferred by the Sultan of Turkey to British, French, and Sardinian troops which took part in the Crimean War. The medal was issued in three languages with many British troops receiving a French or Sardinian issue, because a ship carrying British medals was wrecked. ( thats interesting !! ) A total of 111 Victoria Crosses were awarded during the Crimean War.

* EJ Boys - Cousins Pte Charles 1482 4th LD
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 28 April 08 02:07 BST (UK)


As I have an interest in Army Chaplains .... I thought this was interesting !!

Commemorative Cross to the Clergy for the (Crimean) War of 1853-1856

Copper cross clechee with decorated and enlarged points and with rays between the arms, a loop for suspension at the top - the face with a central medallion bearing a life-size image of the face of the Medal for the (Crimean) War of 1853-1856 with the inter-twined crowned ciphers of Emperors Nicholas I and Alexander II surmounted by the radiant all-seeing eye and dated 1853-1854-1855-1856; the reverse with a central medallion bearing a life-size image of the reverse of the Medal for the (Crimean) War of 1853-1856 inscribed ‘НА ТЯ ГОСРОДИ УПОВАХОМЪ, ДА НЕ ПОСТЬІДИМСЯ ВО ВЕКИ’ (We have set our hopes in Thee O Lord, Let us never be ashamed) the cross measures 58mm by 99mm (2¼ by 3⅞ inches)
The Cross was instituted on 26 August 1856 to commemorate the end of the Crimean War and is known in the official documentation as the ‘Cross to the Clergy for the Eastern War’. It was intended to recognise the key role played by the Orthodox Church in giving religious and moral support and comfort to both front-line troops and their families and to those many civilians supporting the war effort. The Crimean War was fought by an alliance of Britain, France, Sardinia and Ottoman Turkey against the Russian Empire with the aim of checking the expansion of the latter. Over one and a quarter million Russians were involved in combat and more than 100,000 became casualties to enemy action and disease. This example is of considerable age and matches reliable examples.

http://www.medal-medaille.com/product_info.php?products_id=318

Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 28 April 08 02:15 BST (UK)


I found this medal for sale ...... Crimean Medal named to ..... 1766 Pte William Hill XI Hussars
what I thought was funny was ..... there is no clasp !!  ::)

* EJ Boys - Hill Pte William 1766 11th


Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 09 June 08 18:33 BST (UK)

Looking for something else I came across this yesterday ...... not often you see a Crimean Memorial .... wonder if it's still there ?? .... I have to look !!  :)

http://www.francisfrith.com/search/england/south+yorkshire/sheffield/photos/sheffield_31962.htm

Annie  :)

It's been moved !!  :-\ :-\ :'(

http://public-art.shu.ac.uk/sheffield/lan49im.html
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 16 June 08 06:58 BST (UK)


Now here is the weirdest thing ..........  ::)     

On my "Paul Eagle Star "thread -  fillupe sent me the url for the Denver Library that had a picture of the survivors AND his Great Grandfather !! when I looked - my picture was a cutoff of the bigger picture - taken at the same time in Manchester ......   is that cool or what ? ... now we have to identify everybody !!      ( though I must admit I think I know some of them !!   )
Remember this ? ...... scroll to Lot # 25 ........

http://www.mortonandeden.com/pdfcats/25web.pdf

Denver Public Library




Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: Mr. MIGKY on Monday 16 June 08 18:19 BST (UK)
Hi Annie, well they look like " The GOOD, The BAD & The REALY DARN UGLY  " to me ;D
Great picture.
Migky ;)
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 21 June 08 01:33 BST (UK)


Here's a bit of trivia .............

It was during the Crimean War that "hand rolled" cigars and cigarettes became popular with the French and British troops ...... they copied their Turkish comrades by using old newspaper for rolling - when their cigar-leaf rolling tobacco ran out - or dried and crumbled !!  :)
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Post by: liverpool annie on Tuesday 24 June 08 03:45 BST (UK)


Found this terrific picture ... we see so few Russian ones  .....  :)

blacksea - crimea .com / Tatar-labourers  Roger Fenton 08/03 to 26/06/1855

Crimean Tatars worked and fought on both sides in the war - reflecting their ambivalent relationship both with Russia and with the Ottoman Empire


Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 29 June 08 19:57 BST (UK)


As one of Williams relatives asked about William on the Armed Forces board ... I'm adding him here !!  :)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,119187.new.html#new

"A biographical dictionary of the members of the five original regiments of the Light Brigade fron Jan. 1, 1854 to Mar. 31, 1856" by Lawrence W. Crider

Mock Pte William 1266 8th H

Enlisted 10/19/1853 in Westminster at age 17 9/12
At Plymouth 1st Muster - abd Wilson Kennedy fr 05-02 and through 2nd Muster
Camp Guard 3rd Muster
Lord Raglans staff all 3 Musters
At Baidar Valley 1st Muster
Hospital Orderly 11 days
Batman to Brigade Gen 3rd Musters
W/svc Troops entire period
Medal w/ Alma Balaklava and Sebastopol clasps

http://www.rootschat.com/links/03qi/

EJ Boys - Mock Pte William 1266 8th H
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: fillupe on Friday 04 July 08 02:43 BST (UK)
Hi Annie - My Great Grandfather is standing in the back row, 5th from the right wearing the large brimmed hat. This photo was taken during the 1891-92 tour of Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show tour of Scotland. It's available in a 300 dpi version when ordered from the Denver Library . . .

Regards
Philip
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 04 July 08 02:53 BST (UK)


Hi Philip !!

Good to see you !!  :D :D ...... That photo was taken in Manchester !! at Banks 65 Market St. Manchester

The only reason I know that ........ is because I know the Chargers didn't go to Scotland ......   and it's written on the photo !!  :D :D

Annie  :)

PS Check out your other thread !!  :)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,308108.0.html
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: fillupe on Friday 04 July 08 04:21 BST (UK)
Hi Annie - Thanks for your correction, I should have stated that! I was actually originally sent that photo by Tom Cunningham from Glasgow, Scotland and I apparently did a mind-meld with the facts. So then, it really did come from Scotland but 118 years and the "click", not a save!

Thanks
Philip
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Post by: Marscourt on Sunday 06 July 08 20:00 BST (UK)
Hi Annie,

My Great Grandfather was Charles DALTON.

Please see: www.ozbadge.com for some other details.

Cheers,
MN


Charles DALTON - Possibly rode in the Charge

Charles Dalton was born in the parish of St. Luke's, Chelsea. He enlisted at Westminster in March 1850 at the age of 18 years into the 8th Hussars and was discharged from Calcutta, India, in September 1863 after 12 years service. The records give no indication of when, or how, he returned to England.

He was entitled (according to the medal rolls) to the Crimean medal with clasps `Alma', `Inkerman' and `Sebastopol', and the Mutiny medal with clasp `Central India'. Although he was not shown as being entitled to the Balaclava clasp, he was allowed to become a member of the Balaclava Commemoration Society in 1879, and this would imply that he did indeed ride in the Charge.

He is said to have emigrated to Australia aboard the Northern (sic) circa 1863-64 (no ship of this name can be found listed, but there was a ship called the Northam which made four voyages to Sydney in 1863 and the same number in 1864, but a Charles Dalton is not listed among the passengers). He is said to have married an Irish girl (Jessie FitzSimmons), born in Armagh, County Armagh, at Christ Church, St. Lawrence, Sidney, on 6 June 1865. Nine children were born into the family, the last seven being at Government House, where Charles Dalton was in charge of the Governor's escort. On his death he was buried in the Church of England Cemetery at Balgowlah, Manley. His wife died in 1919. A family tombstone exists in Manley Cemetery and has the following inscriptions on it -

`Charles Dalton, late of the 8th King's Royal Irish Hussars and for 25 years in charge of the Governor's Escort, N S Wales. Born London 24th Nov 1832 -Died Balgowlah, 5th February 1891. Served in the Crimea and Turkey at Alma, Balaclava, Inkerman and Sebastopol, and in India at the Siege of  Kotah, Recapture of Chundaree, Kotah Ki Seria, Capture of Gwalior, Powrie, Sindwah and Koonory. Also Jessie, beloved wife of the above - Died 17th December 1919, aged 81 years. Also Emily Emma Sarah Jordan, who passed away 31st Aug. 1965, aged 84.'

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+Australian+graves+of+Crimean+War+Light+Brigade+veterans-a083477092

Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Sunday 06 July 08 22:50 BST (UK)


Hi MN and welcome to RootsChat !!  :) :) :)

How wonderful for you to have your GreatGrandfather in the Charge !!

I had him in two places ... ( I really need to edit this thread !!  ::) ) did you see this one ?.. I had your site included !!  :)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,286323.165.html

I'd love to hear whatever else you could tell us ....

Thank you for dropping by !!

Annie  :)
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: Marscourt on Monday 07 July 08 00:14 BST (UK)
Hi Annie,

Thank you, nice to be involved.

Well, for starters the uniform he is wearing in both photos is not 8th Hussars, but NSW POLICE, as we can tell from the badge/helmet plate. I have the original helmet plate (one of two known to exist) and the State Library of NSW has an original wet plate copy of one the early "Carte de Viste's" of him. The University of Sydney I believe has the original "Freeman" plate.

I believe he may have based his uniform on the 8th Hussars and I think he was originally sent to Australia by HMG on board the P&O Mail steamer "Northam" as a type of "bodyguard" to Lord and Lady Young (soon to be Governor of NSW) in 1861 where he wore his 8H style uniform. We think he may be discreetly shown on the ships manifest as "manservant"; along with his future spouse, "Jessie" (my beautiful Great, Grandmother), which is where they met.

I believe he could have officially left the 8H "payroll" or HMG employ in 1862/1863 when the NSW Police took over the "Governor's Escort/Guard" and he joined the NSW Police "payroll". Hence, the reason it looks like he was dismissed in Calcutta (but with no sign of where or how he went). 8H were never officially in Australia anyway...could have been early Secret Service type stuff I guess (pure speculation), and they eventually just sent an "email" to Calcutta to say he'd resigned with "Time Served with Good Conduct" ;-)

That Hussar style of uniform was used by Commissioned Police Officers right up until the 1940's.

Guess they liked the Hussar "look"... with a touch of the old Calcutta "Pugaree", in the undress form.

Cheers,
Mike.

Hi MN and welcome to RootsChat !!  :) :) :)

How wonderful for you to have your GreatGrandfather in the Charge !!

I had him in two places ... ( I really need to edit this thread !!  ::) ) did you see this one ?.. I had your site included !!  :)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,286323.165.html

I'd love to hear whatever else you could tell us ....

Thank you for dropping by !!

Annie  :)

Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 07 July 08 00:36 BST (UK)


Hi Mike !

Seems like you know a tremendous amount already ! ... all the stuff I posted was yours I think !!  :)

Some of these soldiers seemed to have such adventures  :D ... some of the guys who went to America went and fought again .... makes for very fascinating reading !! and a little envy on my part !!  :) :)

Tell us if there is anything we could try and help you with .... we're always happy to give things "a go "!!  :)

Annie  :)
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: Marscourt on Monday 07 July 08 00:43 BST (UK)
Hi Annie,

I think the original post was by someone else who wrote an article on the surviving "Chargers" who ended up in Australia. I have sent him (I hope) some more info on Dalton saga also, to help maybe clear up a few things that we have known in our family for a LONG time; as you can imagine. Not that any history is written in stone!!

Even the Australian War Memorial has a photo of Dalton incorrectly shown as in 8H uniform. Oh well. ;-(

Cheers,
Mike.
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Post by: Marscourt on Monday 07 July 08 00:47 BST (UK)
P.S:
We hear he ended up cutting his lawn with his sword.

His medals unfortunately are no where to be found...but I am looking.

Cheers,
Mike.
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Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 07 July 08 01:11 BST (UK)

Is this yours too Mike ??  :)

The Manly Daily, 7th September 1965 published this reminiscence by ‘JM’

Senior Sergeant Charles Dalton, who married Jessie Fitzsimons at Christ Church St Laurence, Sydney, was a survivor of that “Gallant Six Hundred” at the Battle of Balaclava, of whom Tennyson wrote in his famous poem.
Charles and Jessie had nine children, all of whom were born at Government House, Sydney, with the exception of Ernestina, who was christened at Goulburn. They were -  James Burrows, Ernestina, Charles Albin, Jessie Maria, Antoinette Mary, George Conrade, Adelaide, Roberta Alexandra and Emily Emma Sarah.
Charles Dalton, who died in 1891, and whose head-stone is well preserved at Manly, was the Senior Sergeant in charge of the Governor’s Escort, and belonged to the 8th King’s Royal Irish Hussars. He served in the Crimea and Turkey, at Alma, Balaclava, Inkerman and Sebastopol and in India at the siege of Kotah, recapture of Chundaree, Kotah Ki Seari, capture of Gwalior, Powrie, Sindwah and Koonayr.
Dalton was reputed to be the finest shot and horseman of his day, and helped on more than one occasion to try to capture some bushrangers on the Goulburn plains.
He had come out from England with Lord and Lady Young, and remained in charge of the Governor’s escort, successively for 25 years, until he died. His widow, Jessie, and the children then went to live at their cottage called Gwalior,after one of the old battles in India. The cottage was situated at the corner of Condamine Street and Sydney Road, This valuable corner property was sold in 1919 by the family after Jessie Dalton followed her husband to the burial place reserved for her, beside him, at Manly, and where Emily Emma Sarah is now ‘at rest’ (Manly Cemetery Plot B129, Charles Dalton, buried 1891, son of Sarah; plot B128, his wife Jessie Dalton, buried 17 December 1919; plot B130, their daughter Emily Emma Sarah Jordan, buried 1 September 1965.)
Proof is available of other properties owned by the family at Manly until after WWI, as well as the Lots 1 to 5 on the Condamine Street Sydney Road corner already mentioned. They were Lots 6, 7, 8, 9 at West and New Streets, Balgowlah; also Lot 4, situated at the corner of Redan and Almora Streets, Mosman.
At one time this old soldier owned the whole of Cremorne Point, besides Centennial Park, which he later presented to his friend Sir Henry Parkes, who in turn gave this park in perpetuity to the people. Dalton wanted to have a drive built right around the foreshores of Sydney harbour in those early days, but three or four families with waterfront properties exerted their influence to stop it.
After the attempted shooting of the 1st Duke of Edinburgh at Clontarf by a Sinn Feiner, Charles Dalton slept in the same room as the two Princes who were then visiting Government House, Sydney, to guard them from harm. The second Dalton child was baptised Ernestina by permission of the Duke of Edinburgh in January 1868, who stood as the godfather

http://www.manly.nsw.gov.au/IgnitionSuite/uploads/docs/D%20Manly%20Biographical.pdf
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: Marscourt on Monday 07 July 08 01:25 BST (UK)
Well, that was written by, I believe, by my dear old (deceased in 1992) Aunty Joy Muir (nee Neville); my father's eldest sister.
Unfortunately, there does not seem to be any evidence to support the comments in regards to ownership of Centennial Park and are therefore most likely not correct. The Cremorne Point foreshore ownership and plan is also "questionable", to say the least, from what little I have been told and we know. There does not seem to be any other evidence in existence to support this. Maybe one day, more evidence, beside this article will turn up?
You also notice, she never uses the word "POLICE" in the article. A sign of those times I'm afraid. He was a Senior SGT of Police and only a Private in the 8H.
My Grandfather, a Thomas Walker NEVILLE, was also a NSW Police officer, (married Antoinette DALTON) and eventually became a Dentist in Mosman, Sydney. My father never knew that even his own father had served as a NSW Police officer, until I told him so, after doing some research. He was shocked...or should I say dumbfounded.
Like I said, the word "Police" was not held in the highest regard in those days...or maybe even today in some circles.
Cheers,
Mike.
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 07 July 08 01:32 BST (UK)


I love the thought that he "wanted to have a drive built right around the foreshores of Sydney harbour in those early days, but three or four families with waterfront properties exerted their influence to stop it "  :) :) .... I can image the fight !!  :)

Well I'll keep an eye out for his medals Mike ! ... and if I come across them or hear anything I'll be sure to let you know !! I believe medals should be with the family ...... but thats just my opinion !!  ::)

Annie  :)
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: Marscourt on Monday 07 July 08 02:00 BST (UK)
Thank you Annie!!

You are doing great things for future generations.
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 10 July 08 01:02 BST (UK)

You probably have this already Mike ... but just in case !! .....  :)

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Another interesting appointment in 1887 was that of Charles Albin Dalton, son of Senior Sergeant Dalton of the police ( mentioned above ) ....  C. A. Dalton was born at the Government House stables and his soldiering commenced at the age of 14 when he joined the artillery as a trumpeter; when he was 16 he transferred to the newly formed Sydney Light Horse and rode in the escort on March 3 1885. In 1887 he enlisted as a permanent soldier and was appointed to the permanent staff of the cavalry as trumpet-major and orderly room clerk (General Order No. 128). He was a man of strong character and a keen soldier. After about 20 years with the regiment he was transferred to the Mounted Rifles as regimental sergeant-major and later helped to train light horsemen in Victoria and Queensland also. He was the only original member to witness the regiment's Diamond Jubilee parade in 1945

http://authenticrepro.com/lancers.html

Name - Clive Malcolm Dalton, Sergeant, 4th Australian Light Horse died 12 Aug 1915 age 21. Parents - Son of Charles Albin Dalton and Amy Dalton of Victoria Barracks Sydney NSW. Burial - Alexandria Egypt.
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: Marscourt on Thursday 10 July 08 02:19 BST (UK)

Yep, I think that's him seated bottom right....with the trumpet...of course! VERY sad about Clive. Thanks Annie,

You probably have this already Mike ... but just in case !! .....  :)

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Another interesting appointment in 1887 was that of Charles Albin Dalton, son of Senior Sergeant Dalton of the police ( mentioned above ) ....  C. A. Dalton was born at the Government House stables and his soldiering commenced at the age of 14 when he joined the artillery as a trumpeter; when he was 16 he transferred to the newly formed Sydney Light Horse and rode in the escort on March 3 1885. In 1887 he enlisted as a permanent soldier and was appointed to the permanent staff of the cavalry as trumpet-major and orderly room clerk (General Order No. 128). He was a man of strong character and a keen soldier. After about 20 years with the regiment he was transferred to the Mounted Rifles as regimental sergeant-major and later helped to train light horsemen in Victoria and Queensland also. He was the only original member to witness the regiment's Diamond Jubilee parade in 1945

http://authenticrepro.com/lancers.html

Name - Clive Malcolm Dalton, Sergeant, 4th Australian Light Horse died 12 Aug 1915 age 21. Parents - Son of Charles Albin Dalton and Amy Dalton of Victoria Barracks Sydney NSW. Burial - Alexandria Egypt.

Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: Marscourt on Thursday 10 July 08 02:24 BST (UK)

Mrs Chas. A Dalton (as did her mother Jessie) loved playing the piano and writing music and she would have thought it wonderful the their old home (the NSW Governor's Escort Barracks in Maquarie St, Sydney) is now part of the NSW Conversatorium of Music.

You probably have this already Mike ... but just in case !! .....  :)

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Another interesting appointment in 1887 was that of Charles Albin Dalton, son of Senior Sergeant Dalton of the police ( mentioned above ) ....  C. A. Dalton was born at the Government House stables and his soldiering commenced at the age of 14 when he joined the artillery as a trumpeter; when he was 16 he transferred to the newly formed Sydney Light Horse and rode in the escort on March 3 1885. In 1887 he enlisted as a permanent soldier and was appointed to the permanent staff of the cavalry as trumpet-major and orderly room clerk (General Order No. 128). He was a man of strong character and a keen soldier. After about 20 years with the regiment he was transferred to the Mounted Rifles as regimental sergeant-major and later helped to train light horsemen in Victoria and Queensland also. He was the only original member to witness the regiment's Diamond Jubilee parade in 1945

http://authenticrepro.com/lancers.html

Name - Clive Malcolm Dalton, Sergeant, 4th Australian Light Horse died 12 Aug 1915 age 21. Parents - Son of Charles Albin Dalton and Amy Dalton of Victoria Barracks Sydney NSW. Burial - Alexandria Egypt.

Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: Marscourt on Thursday 10 July 08 02:34 BST (UK)
Yep, that's him seated bottom right....with the trumpet...of course! VERY sad about Clive. Thanks Annie,

This is old NSW Government House Barracks and Stables (where they lived and were born) with the new Conservatorium Of Music next to it today.

You probably have this already Mike ... but just in case !! .....  :)

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Another interesting appointment in 1887 was that of Charles Albin Dalton, son of Senior Sergeant Dalton of the police ( mentioned above ) ....  C. A. Dalton was born at the Government House stables and his soldiering commenced at the age of 14 when he joined the artillery as a trumpeter; when he was 16 he transferred to the newly formed Sydney Light Horse and rode in the escort on March 3 1885. In 1887 he enlisted as a permanent soldier and was appointed to the permanent staff of the cavalry as trumpet-major and orderly room clerk (General Order No. 128). He was a man of strong character and a keen soldier. After about 20 years with the regiment he was transferred to the Mounted Rifles as regimental sergeant-major and later helped to train light horsemen in Victoria and Queensland also. He was the only original member to witness the regiment's Diamond Jubilee parade in 1945

http://authenticrepro.com/lancers.html

Name - Clive Malcolm Dalton, Sergeant, 4th Australian Light Horse died 12 Aug 1915 age 21. Parents - Son of Charles Albin Dalton and Amy Dalton of Victoria Barracks Sydney NSW. Burial - Alexandria Egypt.

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Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: Marscourt on Thursday 10 July 08 03:02 BST (UK)
Charles Albin Dalton was apparently only 16 when he transferred to the newly formed Sydney Light Horse and rode in the escort on March 3 1885...with his father, Senior Sergant Dalton; who is to the back right of the Governor's carriage as it travels down George St to Circular Quay. Thanks Annie!

You probably have this already Mike ... but just in case !! .....  :)

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Another interesting appointment in 1887 was that of Charles Albin Dalton, son of Senior Sergeant Dalton of the police ( mentioned above ) ....  C. A. Dalton was born at the Government House stables and his soldiering commenced at the age of 14 when he joined the artillery as a trumpeter; when he was 16 he transferred to the newly formed Sydney Light Horse and rode in the escort on March 3 1885. In 1887 he enlisted as a permanent soldier and was appointed to the permanent staff of the cavalry as trumpet-major and orderly room clerk (General Order No. 128). He was a man of strong character and a keen soldier. After about 20 years with the regiment he was transferred to the Mounted Rifles as regimental sergeant-major and later helped to train light horsemen in Victoria and Queensland also. He was the only original member to witness the regiment's Diamond Jubilee parade in 1945

Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: Marscourt on Thursday 10 July 08 03:03 BST (UK)
He was also apparently the only original member to witness the regiment's Diamond Jubilee parade in 1945.


Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: Marscourt on Thursday 10 July 08 03:04 BST (UK)
Thanks for a great site Annie.

I have had to make a few corrections given new information I have just received.

MN
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 10 July 08 04:18 BST (UK)


You have some wonderful family history Mike and some terrific treasures !

You're a lucky man !!  :D :D

Annie  :)
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 12 July 08 20:13 BST (UK)


Tom Cunningham sent me this snippet .......  :D

1891

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An event of profound and lasting significance took place at Manchester on the evening of Friday 31st of July, when a benefit performance was given for the surviving local Balaclava veterans. Seventeen of those were able to be in attendance, and their coats were decorated with medals from the famous Charge of the Light Brigade of 1854, and other battles in which they had seen active service. The Pictorial News singled out

‘… the stalwart figure of Sergeant Nunnerley, late of the 17th Lancers. This old veteran also holds the gold French war medal of that day.’

Of considerable importance for its future evolution as Buffalo Bill’s Wild West and Congress of Rough Riders of the World was the circumstance that this appears to have been the first occasion on which non-Wild Western elements were successfully translated into the exhibition.

For one night only, the performance began with a display of mounted drill and lance and sword exercise by a detachment of the 12th Lancers, and for the duration the regimental band took the place of the Cowboy Band.

The account of The Pictorial News continued:

‘The musical ride of the troopers of the 12th was particularly fine, the accompanying swinging of the pennoned lances being highly effective. When this had been brought to a conclusion, a selected number of troopers, discarding pennons and cap, gave an exhibition of tent-pegging, which was watched with deep interest, not only by the crowd of spectators, but particularly by the dusky Indian warriors who had gathered around.’   

A company of ‘miniature volunteers’, consisting of boys aged between 6 and 10 years of age, complete with miniature brass band, gave an exhibition drill, and the overall theme of the event appears to have been that of ‘past, present and future’ – a convention of the heroes of the past, the nation’s defenders of the present, and the soldiers of the future - some at least of whom were assuredly destined to meet their doom in the Great War, yet quarter of a century in prospect. No doubt, there was some perceived parallel that connected the futile Charge of the Light Brigade to the doomed ‘heroism’ of Custer’s Last Stand, and thus recommended it to the sympathies of Colonel Cody.

Ambulance drill was also featured in the evening’s programme, and later the old heroes marched once around the arena, raising and waving their hats to the spectators in acknowledgment of the rapturous applause that acclaimed them on all sides.

Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: forester on Sunday 10 August 08 16:21 BST (UK)
The grave of James Bagshaw (Backshall), Private 1581, 4th Light Dragoons in the churchyard of St Peters Church, Ardingly, West Sussex.

Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 11 August 08 16:01 BST (UK)


Hi Phil !

Thank you ...... I love those old headstones don't you ??

Do you think thats the same man ...... ?? I can't quite see the date ... is that 1852 ??

if it is .... he couldn't have been at the Charge ... what else do you know about this soldier .... ??

Annie  :)
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: forester on Monday 11 August 08 19:46 BST (UK)
Hello Annie,

It's 1872. If you go back to post #211, there's a transcription some-one did a few years ago, before the lichen took over.

Phil  :)
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Tuesday 12 August 08 02:35 BST (UK)


I think I need glasses 'cos of all the squinting !!  :D :D ..... I remember now Phil !! ...  :-[

Surname - Bagshaw
Forename -   James
Born -   1837
At -   Ardingly
Occupation -   Labourer
Father -   David of Ardingly Cuckfield Sussex
Regimental number -    1581
Enlisted -    12 01 1854 Brighton aged 17 years 6 months
Height at enlistment - 5' 6½"
Rank - 1854 - Private 1855 - Private
Taken Prisoner -   25 10 1854 Balaklava -  Released by the Russians 22 10 1855
NOK - Father David Bagshaw, Ardingly Cuckfield Sussex
Sources  - Northern Times 17 11 1854 .... 23 11 1854

Thank you for the photo .... you're good at photos !!  :D :D
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: seahall on Sunday 22 February 09 20:41 GMT (UK)
I will try again as I keep being told I have submitted this post.

Annie asked me to post this photograph of General Mayow in case
other Rootschatters might like to see.

Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 23 February 09 01:36 GMT (UK)


That's wonderful Sandy ! thank you !  :D

Now we have to get the information you found over here too !

Annie  :)
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 24 February 09 10:30 GMT (UK)
Hi again Annie  :)

Not sure how you mean so just going to link.

Information noted by other Rootschatters relating to above photograph.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/05oc

If you wish it differently can you do it.  ;D

Sandy
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: sorrel45 on Saturday 13 August 16 21:41 BST (UK)


Thanks to Tisgrannie .... I have become acquainted with a poignant blog ........ !

And although this isn't "the Charge " ... I'd like to include this here !

In Gosforth church there is a large marble plaque describing the death of Captain Charles Allan Parker, Royal Marines, who was killed during during the Crimean War (1853-56) fought between Russia and an alliance of Britain, Turkey, France & Sardinia. Though the principal and most memorable events of this absurd & tragic conflict took place on the Crimean Peninsula on the north coast of the Black Sea, most famously the charge of the Light Brigade, there were other less well known encounters, principally naval actions aimed at disrupting Russia's Far Eastern trade routes. One was at Kamtschatka (Kamchatka) on Russia's Pacific seaboard.

http://cumbrianwarmemorials.blogspot.com/search/label/Crimea

My great * 3 grandfather! Glad to see he's not forgotten...
Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2 william henry cory
Post by: DMC1973 on Saturday 02 December 17 05:29 GMT (UK)
For clarification I am Davida Mary Cory of Sacramento, CA United States of America
William Henry Cory is my ancestor he is laid to rest in St. Helena in Beaufort, South Carolina he was in the Charge of the Lightbrigade and a horse fell on him during the battle he was said to have been awarded the Victoria Cross for his valor, but others have stated that he was in a penal colony for forgery and never received the Victoria Cross because of that my Grandfather and his cousin James Verdier have seen the saber from the war my Grandfather is Gerald A. Cory Jr.  The Southern Cross of Honor is laid in front of his head stone.  The reason it is hard to find the last names is when they came over names were spelled wrong by several people and depending on who was filling out the census forms we have seen several family members names spelled wrong.  Even to date now many people have spelled my name wrong I have seen other relatives spell my name Davita Cory Divida Cory but my name is Davida Mary Cory it happened a lot with our family and we intermarried with the Verdier's.  My great grandma is Alice Verdier and my great grandmother is Marie Alice Verdier so everything is really messed up and almost all the family members gave their daughters the middle name Marie but some would say it different like May ree, Mary, Marie just to complicate things and the Cory's, Verdier's and Grayson's all intermarried and my family starts with Andre Verdier and Rebecca Howard  my email is (*) feel free to contact me

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Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: Dundee on Saturday 02 December 17 13:43 GMT (UK)
There is a little bit of misinformation there.  The horse didn't fall on him, it was shot from under him and he wasn't in a 'penal colony', he was in Portland Prison which is in Dorset, England.

He used the surname TYSON in the United States.

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Title: Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
Post by: Mowsehowse on Sunday 14 October 18 11:41 BST (UK)
I have not had time to read this thread fully, though I shall.

I was looking for a historic list of the first group women/nurses who went with Florence Nightingale to Scutari, see: https://www.countryjoe.com/nightingale/38.htm

A friend gave me "The Water Horse" by Julia Gregson.  It is a fictional account of a young woman who went with FN to Scutari, but many of those on the genuine list are mentioned, so I am guessing the novel is well researched.

Anyone interested in the subject might like to read the book.