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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Westmeath => Topic started by: Anthony Daly on Tuesday 11 March 08 18:55 GMT (UK)
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I am seeking to research the Scally family of Kilbeggan, Co Westmeath
My maternal grandmother was Catherine (Kate) Scally her brother George Scally born 1897 died 1966 married Francis Lucas.
I have a photo of the family
Any help will be much appreciated
Anthony Daly
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found this family, may be you ancesters.
births. ROSE 3-4-1869. MALACHI 8-4-1870. MATHEW 18-12-1871. JOSEPH 26-9-1873. all born kilbeggan, westmeath.
parents.JAMES SCALLY & CLARA HAUGHRAN, HORAN, HARAN.
regards mary.
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Mary
Thank you so much.
I will check... Please where did you find this info ?
Anthony
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here are some more.
births. MATHEW JAMES 20-7-1875. (the first mathew may have died as a child)
BRIDGET CHRISTINA 21-12-1878. MARY JOSEPH 29-2-1880.all born westmeath.
parents. JAMES SCALLY & CLARA/CLARE HORAN.
found them on familysearch.org
ps be careful of the submitted ones, they may not be accurate.
regards mary.
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Thank you for your efforts Mary
I am puzzled as at present, I have George Scally's father as Thomas and his wife as Catherine Connelly.
Possibly married about 1875-1885
Anthony
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May be very common names you are searching for, IGI shows a Thomas Scally and Catherine Conelly with daughter Mary born 16 Oct.1876 Castlefield dist., Co. Galway, Ireland.
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Thanks Mary
I am not sure about this Thomas as they came from Co Galway. No reason why they should not have come from there.
I just looked again at my record of George and Francis. He died in England age 69 in 1966 which would give his birth as 1876. He was a retired civil servant and was buried in Relic cemetery in Kilbeggan. I wonder if you could find his marriage details I guess about 1896 . This might help me back to his father Thomas and confirm the link. Then I could try to obtain Marriage certificate from GRO
Anthony
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IGI has some, not all, Irish births 1864-c1882 but would not have many marriages for that period (has some 1845-1863 and some earlier misc. church marriage records).
Irish marriage certificates will list the fathers' names and occupatins but not the mothers.
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OK . I will try GRO
Many thanks for all your help.
Anthony
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Hello Anthony
You have posted a picture of my grandparents and my dad and his brothers and sisters.
My Dad, David is the baby in the photo and Father Joseph Scally is on the left, my uncle, who died some years ago.
I was amazed to find this. My grandmother was Frances Lucas and had Ruby and Winnnie as two of her sisters. I know that two brothers married two sisters and I met Jo Holmes some years back. So many relatives-it is all a bit hazy.
Hope this helps
Kate
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I should have added that I have some family pictures which I will try and unearth, but most are not held digitally.
Very best
Kate
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Thanks Kate
I would love to see the photo and more details of family
please contact me via personal message. *
Anthony
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Dear Kate
I am just looking at a photo of my Aunt, Kathleen Daly with Dick ,Brenden and Noel Scally on a farm.
I would be happy to send it to you
Anthony
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I am also researching Scallys in Kilbeggan, but at least a generation earlier than Anthony's family of interest. My GG Grandfather, Patrick Scally, was born in Kilbeggan around 1835 and arrived in Queensland, Australia, on the 'Sabrina' in Nov 1855. His parents were Patrick Scally and Jane McDermott. Griffiths indicates that both these families may have farmed just over the border in Offaly but that is not confirmed. However, I do not know the name of any of Patrick's siblings, so I cannot point to a link to George Scally or his family, or any of the other families mentioned in earlier posts.
It may not be much of a guide, but the names of Patrick's children were: Bernard, Jane, Hugh, Michael, Catherine, Mary Rose, Johanna, Ellen, Patrick, Cecelia, Hannorah, Margaret. The Scallys/Skellys farmed near Toowoomba, then Crows Nest and Gowrie Creek which are all in the same general area.
Curiously, my Patrick had a grandson, another Fr Joseph Skelly (1899-1970), a priest of the Toowoomba diocese who would have been a similar age to the Fr Joe in the photo. (The family name changed from Scally to Skelly within 20 years of their arrival in Queensland.)
And if there are a few redheads in Anthony's photo - and it looks suspiciously like there are! - then the chances of a link grow even stronger.
Bernard
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Thanks Bernard.
I have recorded your info and continue searching for the missing links.
Can you please give date of death of your GG grandfather Patrick
My grandson Matthew has ginger hair !
Anthony
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Anthony,
Patrick Scally died just on 96 years ago, 2 Nov 1912, in Brisbane. The family then took him back to his former locality and buried him in Crows Nest cemetery with his wife, Mary (O'Mara), who was originally from Borrisoleigh in Co. Tipperary.
I am interested in any of the Scally families that you have traced to Kilbeggan, and the links between them - if any. Going by the Griffith's Valuation records, there were clearly a number of different families in the area, though my Patrick was probably not the Patrick recorded leasing 18 acres in Clonaglin, just to the east of Kilbeggan.
Bernard
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Thanks Bernard. Do you have any photographs?
I checked my Scally family tree records and found a photograph of a headstone in New Relic Cemetery, Kilbeggan with these details
Rose Scally born 1809 died 21st Aug 1885 ( from Rahugh )
Her daughter Catherine Scally died 11th March 1873 aged 23 years
On the same headstone Brenden Scally d 27th Jan 1967 son of James and Bridget Scally
Anthony
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1859 Cavan Extracts;
the Kilbegoan Aceldama;
Thomas Scally, caretaker of the Culnamier bog, property of Ralph Smith, summoned to the Kilbegan Petty sessions, five men, from the families of Ryan & Grehan, for having trespassed on his masters property and taken Bog manure.
The offenders were fined for trespass and it appears actuaized by a spirit of revenge subsecquently attacked Thomas Scally and his brother Michael in Kilbeggan market. At 7pm the same evening the Scally's were peacefully returning home when overtaken by their assailants who beat them in a most inhuman manner with bludgeons and stones and but for the approaching police caused the ruffians to desist from their murderious work, leaving the vitims almost lifeless.
Jack
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Hello Kate,
I was amazed to see my mums name,Jo Holmes on this site.and other familiar names Ruby and Winnie.
My grandmother was Ethel Lucas,sister to Ruby and Winnie.Ethel married Joseph Scally but he was killed at Paschendale in OCTOBER 1917 and my mother Josephine Francis Scally was born 4/1/1918. Winnie lived at Golden Island house in Athlone and I remeber auntie Ruby was a nanny to many wealthy families.Ethel Lucas remarried and had 3 further children John, Mary and Margaret.I have some photos I think of the two Scally brothers Joseph and George? but will have to scan them
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Anthony. A Mary Scally was married to an ancestor of mine named James Handibode about 1833. Both were from Westmeath in Kilbeggan area. Mary died in New York city in 1866. Can't find her husband James in the States but their children were there and I have info on them. Catherine Handibode, Mary's daughter died 9 days after her and is interred in same cemetery. Contact me for more info.
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Hello Anthony,
I am the grand daughter of Patrick Scally, Georges older brother, so I guess my grand father was your grand mothers older brother. I know my grand dads 2 brothers, Joseph and George married the 2 Lucas sisters and that Joseph died in Belgium in WW1. I do remember that my father had Daly cousins, (Winnie??). Dads name was Joseph too, he passed away in 1979, he was son of Patrick, son of Joseph.... son of Patrick .... Please PM me if you want more info about my branch.
Regards,
Clare
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Welcome to Rootschat, Clare. New members usually need to make 3 posts to use PM system.
http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
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After finding this, I went threw some old boxes of stuff that were hoarded over the years....
Anthony, I found the death notice of your grandad (I think) in the early 1930s, when he was in his 50s, when he got pneumonia. The notice mentions his wife Kate and that he worked for many years for the Dublin Tram Company.
Georges death notice is also there, he died in Golden Island in the care of his sister in law Winnie, in 1966. My older brother and sister vaguely remember being at his funeral.
I have a birth cert for a Margaret, who must have been another Scally sister, she was born in 17 Meath St, Dublin in 1893 to Joseph and Magaret (nee Mohan) (Georges, Kates etc parents). Margaret Mohan was also from the Kilbeggan area (she had a maternal ancestor from Hamburg), and she ran a drapery shop at that address in Meath St. Looking at the 1901 and 1911 census, some of the kids (George in particular) seems to be always with Grandad Patrick in Cornagher (the homestead near Kilbeggan), and the younger girls with their parents in Dublin. You'll find Joseph and Margaret with the youngest girls (Elizabeth & Mary (b.1899, d.1980) the formidable Aunt May)) in Usher key in 1911 census.
In the boxes I found letters and wedding invites to Aunt May from Georges children in London area, South end on Sea.
I know that ultimately the family is descended from Peter Scalley (yes with an e) who was a hedge school teacher and I get the impression very well educated for a man of his time. I've seen his signature on a book - with the e spelling and dated 1838.
Thats all folks... I do have a more info, but this is turning into an epic... so unless requested here, I'll bow out...
C
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Hello Clare,
I am the grandaughter of Joseph and Ethel Scally.Joseph was killed on 9/10/1917 at Paschendale and my Mum Josephine was born in January 1918.We too lived in Southend on sea until 1979.
I remember as a child Winnie and also Ruby who often came to visit. I also have pictures of Golden Island House in Athlone with my mum,dad and elder brother and other members of the lucas family.
In 2008 my younger brother David went to Belgium and found the memorial to Joseph Scally- something my mother always wanted to do
Judy Byrne ( nee Holmes)
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Hi Judy,
Sorry I've been slow to come back to you, I've just felt sad that we dont actually know each other or of each other ::)
PM me if you want to exchange emails.
Clare
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Ethel and Joseph Scally 1917
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My grandmother, Annie White, married John Francis Scally from Kilbeggan in 1906. They married in Dublin. She was widowed very shortly afterwards. She subsequently married my grandfather.
There is death of a John F. Scally in Tullamore in Jul-Sept 1907. aged 29. He is reported to have dies in an accident. I also have details of a birth of a John Scally in Kilbeggan 1877 son of James.
According to the 1901 Census, a James Scally had a shop in Main street Kilbeggan. His wife's name is recorded as Clara.
Is this the same family, and does anybody have any details of John and Annie?
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Some headstones in Kilbeggan cemetery;
Elizabeth Scally; Attyconnor Kilbeggan
29/2/1960 (101)
her son-James; 27/12/1981 (78)
his son-Brendan Pius; 27/1/1956 (7 months)
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Adrian Richard; Kilcloghan & Birr
12/6/1972 (19)
his bro- Philip Joseph; 14/4/1996
their father-Richard B (Dick);
26/9/2007
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James Scally; Bridget st Kilbeggan
30/10/1984
his sister-Mary Jo; 9/12/1997
their parents- Bessie & James
(interred in Horseleap)
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Daniel Scally; Kilcloghan 16/9/1935 (67)
wife-Bridget; 27/2/1951 (69)
Noel Scally; Kilcloghan 25/1/1988 (67)
his grandson-Noel; 22/1/1988-5/5/1988
Therese wife of Noel; 12/6/2000 (70)
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Jack
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I have just seen these posts that refer to some of my ancestors (The three Lucas sisters), they are my Great Aunts.
I have been researching many branches of my Family tree using Ancestry.co.uk, but hit a brick wall with all of my Grandfather's family. I now know that apart from Ruby, Winnie and Frances that a fourth sister was also living in Athlone (Olive).
Somebody else had posted on their Tree that Ruby was Living with the FitzGibbon Family at St Ann's, Killiney Hill Road for some time.
Olive and Winnie did indeed live at 9 Lyme Road, Southend on Sea, together with their Mother.
Please can any of the people that have posted entries on this thread get in touch?
I have a picture of Olive and Winnie with their Mother and younger Brother and his Son.