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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: Old Mother Reilly on Tuesday 11 March 08 23:56 GMT (UK)
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I have just discovered an ancestor who ran an inn called the Red Lion in Shalbourn for a while (approx 1857 to the mid-1870s). I have not been able to identify where this might have been as it seems to have long since closed. Does anyone know anything of it? I imagine it was quite small.
Thanks.
Rachel
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Hi Rachel
Link to Genuki page on Shalbourne
http://www.brazell.net/genuki/BRK/Shalbourne/index.html
Google says there is still a "Red Lion" in Shalbourne
The Red Lion Inn - High Street, Avebury, Marlborough, SN8 1RF
http://www.city-visitor.com/shalbourne/pubs.html
But it also seems Shalbourne was 'shared' between Wiltshire and Berkshire
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WIL/Shalbourne/
ANd the Red Lion Inn of Avebury is officially in the Wilts side?
If this is the same Inn, pic of it here :
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/Travelogue/redlion99.html
Cheers
AMBLY
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Thank you for the links, Ambly - some useful background there. However, I think the Avebury "Red Lion" is too far from Shalbourne to be the same pub, despite what Google thinks! The census returns for 1861 and 1871 make no mention of Avebury and give every indication that the inn was somewhere in the village (the addresses either side merely reading "[enumerators number] Shalbourn(e)" - whether on the Wilts or Berks side, I'm not sure!
I found only one on-line trade directory which mentions Shalbourne (dated mid-1850s). It lists two pubs in the village - "The Plough" and the "Red Lion" (kept by it's previous owner a Mr Oliver). "The Plough" is still operating today but I can find no other reference to the "Red Lion" or it's position. :-\
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There was a Red Lion in Shalbourne, but is no longer in existence. It was converted to a home for motherless girls and is now a private house.
Further details sent by pm
Nashua
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Many thanks, Nashua!
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Sorry to jump on the bandwagon but does anyone know where the Kings Arms in Shalbourne was? The NASH family were the licencees in the 1880s. Could it have been a re-named Red Lion? I would be really v pleased to know if anyone has the info to hand.
Thank you
Pat W
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Hi Pat
I have a photo & some details if you PM me your email address.
Nashua
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Hi Nashua, have emailed you privately, I hope - I am never too sure whether I have carried out pc things correctly. Thank you very much indeed, I really look forward to receiving a pic.
Pat W
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I am sure Nashua has provided people with the information they needed but I have attached a copy of part of the 1881 OS map for Shalbourne which shows St Michaels home which is now a private house. The middle part of this used to be the Red Lion. It would seem that the vicar and his wife who lived opposite the Red Lion found the ale house such a nuisance that they bought it and shut it down!
The Kings Arms was located between the Chapel and the village shop and is now a pottery.
My maternal grandmother was desended from the STOCKWELLS, WATERS. bAKERS and CRAMS amongst others and they were all from very long time Shalbourne families.
Anyone interested in Shallbourne would find Shallbourne to the Millennium a most useful reference book. It is an absolute mine of information of value to the family historian.
Finally I visit the village regularly and if anyone wold like a photograph of a building or whatever let me know.
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Hi Sotonian
Thanks for adding the map, I did send info from the book to the other chatters by email. As you say,its a great book with lots of photos and family details. My connection to Shalbourne is the Rolfe family.
Nashua
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Hello Nashua,
My great grandfather's 1st cousin Elizabeth Stockwell married Silvanus Rolfe at Hungerford on 14 Sep 1872. Elizabeth's father was Thomas Stockwell and he was my great grandfather Jeremiah's brother.
Silvanus Rolfe and Elizabeth Stockwell had three children as far as I am aware: William born ~ 1873; Edith born ~ 1875; and Lillian born ~ 1882. They might have had more but this is not a line I have researched.
My great grandmother Ruth Water's brother Daniel married Hannah Rolfe and they lived in Welford where Daniel managed the brickworks. They had three children Sarah, Daniel and Hannah. Daniel and Hannah are buried in Welford churchyard.
My son-in-Law has Andover Rolfes on his mother's tree.
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Lovely map, soltonian, thank you. Pat W
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Hi Sotonian
Thanks for the details of your Rolfe connections. I think they are probably connected in some way, but not found the link yet. My husband descends from Mark Rolfe b 1841 son of Thomas Rolfe & Sarah Trayhorne who married in Shalbourne in 1827. Thomas b 1796 was the son of John Rolfe & Emey (Amy ) Claridge. I believe they did originate from Hampshire but havent been able to confirm that.
regards
Nashua
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[We believe that the Stockwells originate from Wiltshire, possible Shalbourne, But many Stockwells were born in Hampshire..Wherwell, Easton, Goodworth, Clatford, Andover, Winchester, Elizabeth Stockwell maried into Rolfe family who were Romanys, I have history dating back to around 1786 but thier is a strong possibility that further research will go back to 1650s, Anyone that would like more information or to share, please email me direct. gerrystockwell@hotmail.com
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Hi Rachel
I realise that this is somewhat late in the game as you posted in March but I wanted to reply to your original post about the Red Lion pub in Shalbourne.
In answer to your question I do know a lot about the place as my family and I have lived in the house (which it was converted into) for 20 + years! in the Victorian era the house was redesigned and two big Victorian extensions were added to the part which was the pub (which is sort of the middle part of the house now) so your right it was quite a small venue at one time.
Happy for you to PM with any questions you might have about the place :) we know quite a lot about the property's more recent history/owners as well, just hope this isn't too out of the blue! it would be great to hear about your ancestor who lived there!
Thanks
Rosie
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Hi Rosie, and welcome to Rootschat! :)
It is some years since I followed up this line of my family. My ancestor who kept the "Red Lion" was, in fact, the man in charge when the clergy took exception to the place and, as I understand it, were instrumental in its closure.
As it was a small place I do wonder how they managed as they had a largish family!
I recall that there was a possibility that some sort of friendly or mutual aid society was being run from the pub but I haven't been able to find out any more about that.
Do you have access to a copy of "Shalbourne To The Millennium" (as recommended by Sotonian, above)? It contains all I know about the "Red Lion" and a little about my ancestor, erstwhile publican Richard Massey, and his father (also a Richard Massey, schoolteacher).
If it would interest you, I will find my notes and let you know a little of Richard's varied career.
Rachel
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Just a quick point for Rosie: Personal Messaging doesn't kick in automatically, so I can't PM you yet!
The "Help" section says:
"New members must make at least three postings before being allowed to use the PM facility.
Please note: If you are sending PMs to new members who have less than three posts you will receive an error message, that your limit, or allowed number has been reached. (note that it says your limit, although it actually refers to the recipient.)
Attachments are not allowed on PMs".
So get posting! :)
Rachel
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Hi Sotonian
Thanks for the details of your Rolfe connections. I think they are probably connected in some way, but not found the link yet. My husband descends from Mark Rolfe b 1841 son of Thomas Rolfe & Sarah Trayhorne who married in Shalbourne in 1827. Thomas b 1796 was the son of John Rolfe & Emey (Amy ) Claridge. I believe they did originate from Hampshire but havent been able to confirm that.
regards
Nashua
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Hi Nashua,
I have just joined this site and saw your post. My Great Great Grandfather was Mark Rolfe from Shalbourne. Any information you have and are able to share on the Rolfe's would be very much appreciated.
JET5.
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Hi Jet, welcome to Rootschat. Mark Rolfe married Amelia Smart and they had 5 children, Annie Maria, William Henry, Louisa, Matilda and Sarah Jane. The family moved from Shalbourne to Bristol.
How are you connected to the family. Make one more message on this thread and you can send me a personal message so we can compare notes.
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Hi and thanks for your reply.
William Henry was my great grandfather and Annie Louisa, my grandmother.
I'm just figuring out how this site works, I'm normally pretty computer savvy but working out how to send you a message wasn't straight forward! Hopefully I'll be able to pm you without any probs!
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If you click on the head and shoulder icon under my name it gives you my profile, and you can then click send a personal message under the Action heading.