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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: Gaie on Sunday 23 March 08 23:07 GMT (UK)
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Please could SKS look up on Anc***ry's "Passenger & Immigration Lists Index 1500-1900s" to Canada for me? Unfortunately I only have UK subscription and can only see names and destinations.
John Pembroke Jones, ship's carpenter, born 1826 Deptford, Kent, married 1848 in Bristol to Sarah Hayward b1830.
John & Sarah are in the 1881 Ontario census in Amherstburg, Ontario, with five children all born in Ontario. John shows as head of household in the 1871 census in Amherstburg. I have his death entry in 1883 in Amherstburg.
Joseph Jones born 1834 Deptford, Kent, married 1854 in Bristol to Caroline Green b1833.
Joseph and Caroline's first child William born 1855 Bristol. Second child Henry born 1856 in Fort Malden, Ontario. They then show up in the 1861 census onwards in the UK.
Also Louisa Jones b 1802 Deptford Kent and Louisa Jones b1837 Aberystwyth, Wales (John & Joseph's mother and sister) may be travelling with them or around the same time.
I can see some possibles in the Lists Index to Ontario but can't see all the details.
Thank you.
Gaie
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I don't have an "Ancestry" subscription, but thought that some books on the area may have some mention of them.
Fort Malden, Amherstburg, Essex County, Ontario
Commemorative biographical record of the county of Essex, Ontario
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/toc.aspx?id=3107
A Family Record
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/toc.aspx?id=884
Gazetteer and directory of the counties of Kent, Lambton, and Essex, 1866-7http://www.ourroots.ca/e/toc.aspx?id=11380
The Township of Sandwich
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/toc.aspx?id=2908
Janice
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If you keep an eye on this site, the census for the various years will be online.
Ontario GenWeb - Census
http://ontariocensus.rootsweb.com/
1871 Heads of Household - Index
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/archivianet/1871-ontario/001016-100.01-e.php
1901 Census
(in case his children came over at the same time)
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/District.jsp?id=60
Janice
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Here are the deaths of 2 of their sons
John Pembroke Jones
Death: May 14th, 1909
Place of Death: Amherstburg, Essex Co., Ontario
Age: 47 years 8 months 21 days
Birthdate: September 21st, 1862
Birthplace: Amherstburg
Marital Status: Married
Spouse: Not Listed
Father: John Pembroke Jones
Mother: Sarah Hayward
William Henry Jones
Death: May 29th, 1920
Place of Death: Amherstburg, Essex, Ontario
Age: 55 years 5 months 10 days
Birthdate: December 19th, 1865
Birthplace: Amherstburg
Marital Status: Married
Spouse: Florence M. Jones
Father: John Pembroke Jones
Mother: Sarah Hayward
Janice
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Thank you Janice, you have been busy!
I didn't have the death of William, so that gives us another birth date and wife's first name, hooray! ;D
And I am in the process of reading through those online books, very useful, thank you.
I can see John in the 1871 - do you know if this census was just of heads of households, or is there information about the rest of the household?
Joseph and Caroline are my direct ancestors and may have had another child, Albert Edwin, in Canada before returning to the UK before the 1861 census; a family bible says that Albert died aged 18 months, no dob, dod or place. We knew their son Henry was born in Canada from the bible and later censuses. This is what brought us to finding where brother John went to.
I can't see baptismal records for Henry or Albert Edwin in the online parish records, but I suppose they're not complete. We have everything for the other nine children born to Joseph and Caroline.
It would be nice to find what ship(s) they sailed on and when, if they're on record. As I said, I can see the names there, but don't know if it's them....
Thanks Janice.
Kind regards
Gaie
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Ontario GenWeb - Census
http://ontariocensus.rootsweb.com/
Keep an eye on the above site. When it is transcribed, it should be the full census. All that has been transcribed elsewhere, is the head of household and strays as well as someone with a different last name that that of the head.
Janice
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Here is a link to the Canada Resource board for Passenger Lists. (Just in case no one can help with Ancestry) When checking passenger lists, don't discount U.S. passenger lists, as quite a few travelled to the U.S. first and then to Canada.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,214795.0.html
You can also check for other deaths here.
LDS - Family Search Labs
http://labs.familysearch.org/
Bristol & Avon
http://www.bafhs.org.uk/
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Ah, that's good news about the 1871, and it might help solve a little mystery I've turned up today.
In the 1881 census John & Sarah Jane have five children in the house, John Jr, William, Edward, George, and Sarah born c1857. In the Wesleyan baptism records the only Jones I'd found was a baptism for a Sarah J., father John P Jones (no mother's name) on 23/4/1876 in Amherstburg. However I found today another entry for a Melinda Ann Jones, father John mother Sarah Jones, born 4/9/1857 and baptised 17/4/1858 in Amherstburg. So the full 1871 might confirm more about these two girls. Fortunately the Jones surname was uncommon in Amherstburg (I never thought I would ever say that Jones was a rare surname ;D!) and in the 1881 there are only four Jones families there.
I've already registered with the Family Labs site and got some Canadian 1911 info for the Joneses(strangely nothing for my lot in 1901; probably off visiting the Smiths), but thanks for the link anyway.
And I'm slowly ploughing through the Olivetree website (I had tried to use it before, but kept being taken back to the same page on the opening link - doh ??? - I seem to have managed to get round that now).
And all between navigating Polish, French and Lithuanian searches for my father's side of the family - I shall be genealogically fluent in Polish, French, Lithuanian, Latin, and German parish records soon - wish me luck!
Kind regards
Gaie
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Best of Luck Gale! ;)
& Do try and keep up with the "Joneses" ;D
Janice
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Well blow me down with a feather ;D ;D ;D
A Joseph (b1834), Caroline (b 1833) and William Jones (infant) sailed on the Osprey from Glasgow to New York, arriving 14th November 1956, just in time for Henry to be born 2nd December 1856 in Malden, Ontario! Gosh, those women were hardy in those days, weren't they?
Does that count as keeping up with the Joneses, Janice ;)?!!
Just had to share this, I'm so delighted to have found their voyage, even though we knew for sure they had made the trip.
Kind regards
Gaie
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Great Job!
I think you have more than kept up when you consider the amount of "material" you have collected. ;D
Janice
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Gaie;
Just a caution, in the Amherstburg Echo newspaper from 1883 it indicates that John Pembroke Jones died at the age of 55, which suggests that he was born in 1828 - all the other records and papers use the same information. It is possible the age 55 was incorrect and he really was 57 and that it is the John Pembroke Jones that you have as born 1826 (based on the bapitism record). Or, we have two different individuals?
The Marsh Collection in Amherstburg (maintain the records of the Echo @ "research at marshcollection.org" Jennifer ) have a file and some records on the Jones family.
All the best on April 1st
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Welcome to Rootschat!
JPJ is consistent with his age through the Canadian censuses. I think the marriage record of JPJ and Sarah Jane will help confirm whether they are one and the same - if JPJ's father is shown as William Jones, shipwright or similar.
I've sent you an e-mail in the last few minutes.... ;D
KR
Gaie
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Hi Gaie
I’ve just picked up this thread, I don’t have access to worldwide ancestry either so have found your research on John Pembroke Jones very helpful. Our tree is the Sarah Jane Hayward link - specifically her brother John William Hayward. We have a family “geography book” just like one of the old family bibles (belonging to John William) which has the following text handwritten inside the front cover of it:
....ah Hayward went to America May 22nd 1857
Robert Hayward died January 1856 20???
Eliza Ann Hayward born July 31st 1851 at 4 in the morning
Sarah Jane Hayward born Dec 1st 1852 at 2 in the morning
Henry John Hayward born Jan 26th 1854 20 past 4 afternoon
Robert Thomas Hayward born half past 8 night 1855
John William Hayward born 25 May 1857
Laura Mary Hayward born 13 September 1858 7 o’clock in the morning
which should tie in with when JPJ and Sarah Jane went to America. Robert was Sarah Jane's father.
All the best.
[I hope this posts ok as its the first time i've posted anything.] :)
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Hello Bristolboy and welcome to Rootschat :)
Thank you so much for the additional information on the Hayward family, and what a lovely find these details are that turn up in old family papers.
I am in touch with descendants in Canada of John Pembroke Jones and Sarah Hayward who I am sure will be interested in this; and a date for their emigration helps narrow down finding the ship's list.
Kind regards
Gaie
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Morning Gaie and Bristol Boy;
My Sarah Jane Jones (daughter of John (Jno) P. Jones b1828 & Sarah Jane Hayward b1828 d1895 buried in Detroit - they were married in Bristol 1848) was born in Amherstburg, Ontario, Canada 1855 - siblings were :
Robert John Jones b1849 England
Pembroke Hayward b1852 England
then Sarah Jane Jones b1855 - married Alexander Pirie (b Scotland) 1883, Essex County, buried in Detroit 1908.
John Pembroke Jones b1863
William Henry Jones b1865
Edward B Jones b1867
George D Jones b1870
Similar names and originally from Bristol, but either I misunderstand or we have a slightly different branch?
Regards from Windsor, Ontario,
David Hutchinson (son of Vivian Grace Jones, daughter of Robert Pembroke Jones, son of John Pembroke b1863 mentioned above)
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Hi Dhutch
I still don't have worldwide access so cannot give an answer but would like to say that it was not uncommon for people to travel to and from bristol to other parts, particularly Canada. Sarah Jane Hayward (the mum) lived with her parents whilst married to John PJ and on the 1851 census was clearly shown living with them and with her son Robert Pembroke Jones - no mention of her husband tho (apart from the column which says 'Mar'). They were living in/next to the Nova Scotia Yard in Bristol, down by the docks, which still exists (now called Underfall Yard) and is a pleasant afternoon out, there are a number of buildings and sheds which were once used by ship builders at the back of Avon Crescent. So I would still think they are the same family. I can find no birth for her daughter in the uk. As a point of note her father Robert Hayward died in Jan 1856 perhaps she returned following the birth of her daughter Sarah J J? I only we could get hold of the passenger lists....
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Afternoon BristolBoy;
If you able, please contact me at dhutch@uwindsor.ca. I have some birth information and pictures of headstones for Sarah Jane (Hayward) Jones. In November, I was able to locate the unmarked burial plot for her son John Pembroke Jones jr - the Woodmere Cemetery, Detroit Michigan, confirmed a separate plot for John a few hundred feet from his mother.
Regards from Snowy Windsor, ON, Canada
dhutch@uwindsor.ca